Paleocon Justin Raimondo: "Pro-Israel network" of "vermin" behind Muhammad video

It's a staple of Leftist and Islamic supremacist smears of freedom fighters that we are like the Nazis, when in reality neo-Nazis are allied with the jihadis, and with their shared Jew-hatred and taste for authoritarianism, it is easy to see why. Paleocons also tend to move in these circles. Some anti-interventionist paleocons I have known keep their antisemitism well hidden, only revealing it in its full ugliness after a few drinks; but Raimondo is right up front with his, even appropriating Nazi terminology, and calling those of us whom he thinks form a pro-Israel network behind the Muhammad movie "vermin."

In this piece, Raimondo sees the Muhammad movie, with which I actually had nothing to do, as part of a nefarious plan by us pro-Israel vermin to get the Muslim world to act out, thus requiring more U.S. intervention -- because what we really want is for our troops to bleed and die on foreign shores while we cackle and count our shekels, doncha know. This Jew-hating clown doesn't know, or doesn't care, that I opposed U.S. intervention in Iraq and Afghanistan -- that wouldn't fit his nasty little antisemitic scenario.

"The ‘Pro-Israel’ Network Behind the Innocence Video," by Justin Raimondo at Antiwar.com, September 19 (thanks to all who sent this in):

If someone had planned to upend US foreign policy — to utterly destroy the very basis [.pdf] of all our diplomats (and military personnel) have been working to achieve in the Middle East and throughout the Muslim world — they couldn’t have done a better job of it than whoever put together Innocence of Muslims.

Yes, because US foreign policy was going so very well up until the film appeared.

As violent protests spread, the consequences continue to roll in: the suspension of joint US-Afghan military operations, the suspension of US aid talks with Egypt, the rapid decline of US prestige in the region, and the growing influence of the radical Islamist movement US support for the “Arab Spring” was designed to counter. The Obama administration’s effort to split the Islamist upsurge and lend its support to “moderates” has been stopped cold....

Recall who the Obama administration had defined as "moderate": remember the talk of the "moderate Taliban," and the "largely secular" Muslim Brotherhood -- yes, clearly we pro-Israeli vermin have upset a carefully thought-out and delicately complex pathway to certain peace!

Anyway, Raimondo then indulges in a few paragraphs of empty speculation and baseless insinuation about why the film was made and by whom, and then tries his best to link the filmmakers to Pamela Geller (who had nothing to do with the film either) and me. He confuses "Innocence of Muslims" with the movie project of Ali Sina of Faith Freedom, even though Sina is working on a completely different project, so as to suggest that Pamela Geller called for funding of the movie that everyone is upset about. And then:

The idea that these vermin, who deliberately set out to make a “movie” that would inflame the Muslim world, are “free speech” heroes is worse than nonsense: it is valorizing villains. We don’t yet know where the money, or the impetus to make the film, came from, but what we do know is this: the driving force behind Innocence was a desire to create an international incident that would bring discredit on the United States, and empower radical Islamists who hate America and everything it stands for. And the promoters of this garbage pose as “patriots”!

Free speech has nothing to do with this issue: the President requested of YouTube that they reconsider the video’s place on YouTube in light of their terms of service. YouTube refused, and that’s the end of it. Unfortunately, however, that’s not the end of this imbroglio, the consequences of which we’ll be living with for a long time to come....

Raimondo's "reasoning" here is so contorted that it is hard to follow, but it does seem as if he is saying that we vermin made the movie in order to incite the Muslims to riot, so as to justify more American intervention. I doubt if Justin Raimondo knows or cares that I have consistently opposed these misguided Wilsonian hearts-and-minds adventures since before we entered Iraq in 2003, and have called for a complete reevaluation of U.S. foreign policy in light of the reality of the jihad -- a reevaluation that would coincide in many ways with his thirst for non-intervention, but would not involve what he clearly wants most: the U.S. abandonment of Israel. For as he goes on, he makes it clear that this is all really about...the Jews:

Defense of the Jewish state is a major theme of the Islamophobe network: they use it as a shield to deflect criticism. A key leader of this network is former New Leftist and Black Panther groupie David Horowitz: his “David Horowitz Freedom Center” (formerly the Center for the Study of Popular Culture), sponsors Spencer’s “Jihad Watch.” Horowitz’s “Frontpage” site — ablaze with stories decrying the “betrayal” of Israel by the American government and the perfidy of all things Islamic — recently speculated Innocence was created by the very Salafists now leading the protests. Since the video sprang from the same bigoted milieu of which Frontpage is the online Jerusalem, this “theory” isn’t merely ironic — it’s a moral obscenity.

It isn’t hard to imagine where the money to create this deadly provocation came from. Of the many millions in neocon money sloshing around this country, it’s hardly inconceivable a hundred thousand or so would find its way into the hands of a twice-convicted felon and all around dubious character like Nakoula, who is, I suspect, just a con man rather than an ultra-Zionist ideologue like the promoters of his “work.”

Why, those lousy vermin! Call the exterminator, eh, Justin?

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"jews... vermin"---

Oh, cuuuute... did he read that in the Mein Qurampf?.

F'ing islamosocialist/islamonazi scum!.

"moderate Taliban,"

Did "moderate" Nazis exist?

"facts check:" the film is correct (to ahadith Sahih & Qur’an)

http://www.schnellmann.org/counterjihad.html

Sieg Heil, Jew hater Justin!

So much condemnation on the film but no condemnation of the killing on people not concerned about the film

You opposed the interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan? Good for you, Robert. Most people on the right ran straight off that cliff.

He should be condemning the behavior of the Muslim savages, not our First Amendment.

Of course the First Amendment does allow idiots like that publish their self loathing drivel.

"the driving force behind Innocence was a desire to create an international incident that would bring discredit on the United States, and empower radical Islamists who hate America and everything it stands for. And the promoters of this garbage pose as “patriots”! "

Raimondo is a Jew-hating idiot. The first question he would have to ask himself is who would profit from empowering "radical Islamists who hate America". But he won't because he is a dumbass. All that a smart-thinking Muslim Brother wanting to create a big international scandal and mayhem would have to do is find some pathetic creep who would pose as a Jew film producer and pretend that he was paid by a hundred Jews to create a monstrous libel on the prophet of Islam. And if the Jew-baiting cover is blown and it is discovered the creep is another Copt, so be it. Raimondo and his Jew-baiting ilk would never believe Van der Lubbe was a stooge of the Nazis because he was a communist.

http://jiriseverasblog.blogspot.ca/2012/09/cui-bono.html

Paleocon Justin Raimondo: "Pro-Israel network" of "vermin" behind Muhammad video
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As though calling people who don't hate Jews "vermin" didn't have a rather alarming precedent...

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In this piece, Raimondo sees the Muhammad movie, with which I actually had nothing to do, as part of a nefarious plan by us pro-Israel vermin to get the Muslim world to act out, thus requiring more U.S. intervention -- because what we really want is for our troops to bleed and die on foreign shores while we cackle and count our shekels, doncha know.
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The whole thing is ridiculous—very few of us want more of our brave troops over in Craplandistan.

Also, even he is treating Muslims like automatons utterly lacking in free will, who can't help exploding in homicidal rage everytime someone dares say something critical about ol'Mo.

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If someone had planned to upend US foreign policy — to utterly destroy the very basis [.pdf] of all our diplomats (and military personnel) have been working to achieve in the Middle East and throughout the Muslim world — they couldn’t have done a better job of it than whoever put together Innocence of Muslims.

Yes, because US foreign policy was going so very well up until the film appeared.
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Truly laughable.

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As violent protests spread, the consequences continue to roll in: the suspension of joint US-Afghan military operations...
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Again, grimly laughable. These "joint operations" were halted because so many crazed Muslims *were murdering their Western "partners"—this had nothing to do with, and much preceded—the appearance of the 'Innocence of Muslims" trailer.

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...the suspension of US aid talks with Egypt...
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Ah, yes—because talks with a regime that wants to attack Israel, impose Shari'ah, oppress the Copts, and institute a Caliphate would have gone so well otherwise...

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...the rapid decline of US prestige in the region, and the growing influence of the radical Islamist movement US support for the “Arab Spring” was designed to counter.
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Yeah—forking over boatloads of "no-strings-attached" cash to Egypt and the other "Arab Spring" countries will certainly prevent the Islamists from gaining an upper hand there...sarc/off

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The Obama administration’s effort to split the Islamist upsurge and lend its support to “moderates” has been stopped cold....
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I must have missed that one...Obama seems pretty cozy with the Muslim Brotherhood—unless Raimondo considers them the "moderates"...

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Free speech has nothing to do with this issue: the President requested of YouTube that they reconsider the video’s place on YouTube in light of their terms of service. YouTube refused, and that’s the end of it. Unfortunately, however, that’s not the end of this imbroglio, the consequences of which we’ll be living with for a long time to come....
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What an ass. CAIR is call for restrictions on freedom of speech. The OIC is calling for gutting our freedom of speech. Ban Ki-moon is calling for crushing our freedom of speech.

I guess Raimondo hasn't noticed...

Not for the first time, I say that film is lame, banal, a real yawn.

It has no real bite or satiric value, at all.

Yes, the Muslim reaction to it is wildly disproportionate.

But so is that of everyone who prattles on about how disgusting and awful it is while they blame it and its maker for all the Muslim rioting and murder.

That movie is a complete dud, as provocative as a piece of stale chewing gum stuck to the bottom of your desktop.

It could not and did not provoke any of this amazing fund of Muslim wrath and Muslim hate.

Sorry, I meant to conclude that the people who say otherwise about this film are lying blame-shifting rats.

Well, alrighty then, Justin! You take your chances with the Mohammadans and I'll hang here with the "vermin," OK?

We valorous vermin are determined to defend our foundational, God-given freedoms and to uphold universal human rights.

We valorous vermin are determined to defend our foundational, God-given freedoms and to uphold universal human rights.

Mr Justin Riamondo is either absolutely right - see Bosnia, Kosovo and Metohija, Iraq - or hopelessly wrong - Israel.

Here, he's so wrong it's breathtaking.

In the 1990's I worked with Antiwar.com in opposition to the US and EU policy of agitprop and disinformation against the Serbs in Yugoslavia, and had interaction with Justin Raimondo in demonstrations and a conference. For the life of me I cannot understand how he has drifted off the rails over the years. I remember him being a little critical of Israel in the 1990's, but not like he is today. He sounds like a Muslim spewing bloodthirsty Jew hatred. He's gone psycho.

"You opposed the interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan? Good for you, Robert. Most people on the right ran straight off that cliff."

Spencer and former Jihad Watch contributor Hugh Fitzgerald copiously critiqued the "nation-building" neo-Wilsonian projects of Iraq and Afghanistan -- as has Diana West (perhaps more of an actual conservative than Spencer and Fitzgerald, whom many make the mistake of thinking must be "conservative" if they consistently critique and condemn aspects of Islam).

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