Political prisoner: Muhammad video maker could be sent to jail

If Nakoula Basseley Nakoula gets sent back to jail, no matter what priors he has, no matter how checkered his past, make no mistake: he will be a political prisoner. He will be in prison not for the meth or the fraud or for the technicality of the probation violation, but for insulting Muhammad. His imprisonment will be a symbol of America's capitulation to the Sharia.

The protests are not about the film. The protests are to intimidate the U.S. into criminalizing criticism of Islam. If Nakoula Basseley Nakoula is imprisoned, he will be nothing more than the fall guy who became the first offender against the new federal crime of blasphemy against Islam.

"Film maker behind anti-Muslim video 'could be sent back to jail,'" by Nick Allen in the Telegraph, September 14 (thanks to David):

The man behind the anti-Islamic film that sparked violent unrest in the Middle East could be sent back to jail for violating his probation by distributing the movie.

Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, 55, has convictions for possessing drugs used to make methamphetamine and bank fraud, a declaration of bankruptcy, demands for unpaid tax bills, and a byzantine network of at least 17 aliases including “Kritbag Difrat” and “PJ Tobacco.”

Nakoula, a balding, married father of three and an Egyptian Coptic Christian, who once owned a petrol station, is believed to have worked on the script for “Innocence of Muslims” in a California jail cell.

Production began weeks after he was released from a halfway house in June last year.

He is currently on probation after serving a year of a 21-month sentence for fraud, which involved obtaining credit cards in the names of other people.

He was also banned from using the internet, computers and email without the approval of a probation officer for five years.

But in July a “Sam Bacile,” believed to be Nakoula, uploaded a 14-minute trailer to YouTube. The California probation department is investigating whether he breached his conditions.

Nakoula is believed to be currently holed up in his four-bedroom house near Los Angeles. Those who know him described a smooth talker who would wear a suit and tie, had no fixed job, and whose ambitions to produce a movie stretched back to at least 2008.

The project was delayed while he went to jail. Actors who had already signed up were told he was ill. The eventual film is believed to have cost $250,000.

One former friend told The Daily Telegraph: “He’s a great con artist. He can cheat anyone and will do anything to make money or find fame.

“He has no ethics at all, zero ethics. He talked a lot. But when you discover his real nature you don’t trust him. I think he made the movie for fame, to be known. I don’t believe he is a religious person. He doesn’t really know God.” In 1997 Nakoula pleaded guilty to possessing drugs used to make methamphetamine and was sentenced to three years probation and community service. At the time, police said they found a receipt for pseudophedrine and $45,000 cash in a paper bag....

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"He is currently on probation after serving a year of a 21-month sentence for fraud, which involved obtaining credit cards in the names of other people."

Perhaps Obama can give him advice on how to get away with identity fraud and multiple SS#s...

Political prisoner: Muhammad video maker could be sent to jail
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This *is grotesque*. He has *every right* in a free society to have made this film trailer.

That *everything in this film is from the texts of Islam itself* makes this all the more grotesque.

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If Nakoula Basseley Nakoula gets sent back to jail, no matter what priors he has, no matter how checkered his past, make no mistake: he will be a political prisoner.
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Absolutely, If he is imprisoned *because he made this film*, then that will be the case.

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He will be in prison not for the meth or the fraud or for the technicality of the probation violation, but for insulting Muhammad. His imprisonment will be a symbol of America's capitulation to the Sharia.
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Exactly—and what a *horrifying* precedent* that will be.

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The man behind the anti-Islamic film that sparked violent unrest in the Middle East could be sent back to jail for violating his probation by distributing the movie.
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How did distributing his film "violate his probation"? I'm not seeing a link here...

All the rest of this stuff is strictly red herrings. I don't care if this guy is a bad film maker, if he has a checkered past, or if he's a 'fast talker', and whether or not he "knows God".

What it comes down to is whether of not one can speak openly about Islam without the state imposing "Blasphemy" laws on you.

This is about freedom of speech in the face of Muslim barbarism, and nothing more.

If the article is true, then this is bad. He could have his parole revoked and be returned to prison for the legal technicality of accessing the internet without the permission of his probation officer. After revocation, all of the dhimmis and their pet jihadists will claim that the real reason was the content of his posts, and will claim this as a legal precedent for muzzling the First Amendment on the subject of Islam.

If the story is true we better hope that he had probation permission.

If he didn't and he gets thrown back in the big house, then we better be ready to put the record straight (it was a technicality, not the content!) for decades to come.

How about we support the right of free speech and also investigate why this scumbag Nakoula Basseley Nakoula claimed to be an Israeli Jew who was supported financially by 100 Jews in making the movie. Was this an anti-Semitic smear attempt? See this article;

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/54363/the-coptic-christianwall-street-journal-blood-libel-against-the-jews-the-anti-mohammed-movie-nakoulabacile/

"He was also banned from using the internet, computers and email without the approval of a probation officer for five years."

This will make the case irresistible to the folks at volokh.com

@PapaBear

The movie might have an obscure background, but focusing on this film is helping pedohammedans divert attention from their murderous, anti-western and anti-free speech rampage.

Gravenimage, you are right dead on the mark.....

As I had commented somewhere, it's an amateurish production, partly laughable, as is islam, befitting of each other fraud on fraud, but what I saw seemed pretty much to be on truth, regardless, the whole mess, islam is a fraud, and perhaps this producer is. About a quarter million sounds more correct, although, I would expect he paid a few tens of thousands and pocketed the rest, than a ridiculous 5 mil, for such a low caliber production.

Ha...sad that a bunch of islam fools, played the tragic fools, as they always terribly dangerously do, and as usual, committed murder, most brutally, upon far superior, smarter, more caring, and worthy beings, than they will ever have the opportunity to be.

I do not think the average North American realize that this event might be the beginning of the disappearance of the freedom of speech. Very, very serious matter.

Meyrl Petkoff,

There is a lot of attention being focused on the attempt of Islamists to limit free speech. And I hope that thanks to Jihad Watch and others, there will be a lot more attention paid and constructive actions taken. This has been going on for a long time and will continue.

However, there is almost no attention being paid to the disinformation put out by Nakoula Basseley Nakoula which amounts to a blood libel against Jews.

We can handle looking at more than one thing.

Is anyone concerned about the fate of Egyptian Copts, once the holy loons learn Mr. Bacile's ethnicity?

Most likely, Nakoula hooked up with Muslim Brotherhood operatives and made a deal to produce and distribute the movie. He assumed Jewish identity, and recruited a Coptic leader in California (Morris Sadek) to promote his stupid creation. This gives his game away. There is a specific intent to offer the Jews and his supposed church friends as targets of Muslim backlash. Why would he want to do that if his aim was to inform and educate ?

This looks an Egyptian Brotherhood operation, which none too cleverly wants to use this film to fan large mob violence with specific targets (Jews, Copts, Americans). Its primary purpose seems to be to humiliate the United States around the world and to force legislative novelties in the West designed to stifle any criticism of Islam or its founder.

The FBI should investigate in detail the financial sourcing of this movie, Nakoula's Egypt contacts, accounts abroad, etc.

Is anyone concerned about the fate of Egyptian Copts, once the holy loons learn Mr. Bacile's ethnicity?

My point exactly...read above !

Way too many Americans have tasted what freedom is and will not give it up so easily, I hope.

The cry of "give me liberty or give me death" is an internalized core value ingrained in the American psyche so much so that when liberty, such as the deprivation of the basic right of free speech is taken away, the backlash against the traitors of our constitution will awaken to an unanticipated grave outcome.
Some Rights may be threatened, for example, freedoms to publish islamic death numbers, but at least in this generation those attempting to do so ultimatly have failed as they only help in digging their own graves, metaphorically speaking.

Solo - I am on the same line of thinking as you. I am also pretty much convinced the idea been in making since Obama gave the backing to the Brotherhood scumbags - based on - the movie was unknown to 99.999% of the Americans before it hit the headline news.

The initial attack on the US embassy in Egypt was well orchestrated by someone involved in the movie making and funding. It is a good idea if the scumbag Nakoula gets sent back to the slammer for a legitimate reason - but not for the fact he exercised his rights to the freedom of expression. If the Muslim Governments do not get this shit under their Kufies it is going to splatter on their grinning faces before they return to next Friday prayer session.

So, it just-so-happens that the maker of this film appears to be a drug dealer, fraudster, tax-cheat and a "con artist"... does anyone else find this slightly unusual?

If you've got all those charges behind you, why be the one to make this film? Knowing that you may be sent back to jail for spurious reasons??

If this guy is persecuted, then everybody should make films, videos, webpages, etc lampooning Islam. If the right to critique, satire, and parody is not respected, then everybody has to step up and protect their rights. Otherwise, we'll all be reduced to orbiting this one ethnic group and their hyper-sensitivity, always living in fear of their next riot.

Docter: Sit down, George and explain the problem

Geo: Doctor, I have this uncontrollable urge...I can't resist it...I just HAVE to mock the prophet

Doctor: Prophet? Which one?

Geo: Ummm, you know, Muhammad

Doctor: You mean the hate-filled 7th Century caravan raider, murderer, pedophile, male-supremacist, pesuedo-prophet who fabricated a "religion" to perpetuate his power and legitimize his carnal indiscretions? THAT Muhammad?

Geo: Yes, doc, that's the one; does this mean I'm an islamophobe?

Doctor: What you're having is a normal, civilized response to barbaric violence and deceit. And, you're not alone. Mocking the prophet is not only appropriate but therapeudic. There is no such thing as "islamophobia"--it's just an invention, an attempt to disconnect you from the truth. My professional recommendation is that you make some time to mock the prophet every day. Think of it as your own personal celebration of our freedom-of-speech and a healthy outlet for your justified outrage at islam. Worry no more about this!

Geo: Thank you, doctor! And, did you know that the "prophet" Muhammad sucks?

Doctor: That's the spirit!

This is very unfortunate. The movie is an exceedingly crude one, made by a person with exceedingly dubious antecedents.

Once this man's background becomes widely known, Islam's apologists would focus on nothing else except that a criminal made a movie devoid of taste and authenticity solely to get a name for himself and got so many killed in the process.

I really wish an authentic and tasteful (but not apologetic) movie was made by someone of repute. Then the focus would be on Mohammed's character and deeds, as it should be.

Sanjay

Solo wrote:

Most likely, Nakoula hooked up with Muslim Brotherhood operatives and made a deal to produce and distribute the movie. He assumed Jewish identity, and recruited a Coptic leader in California (Morris Sadek) to promote his stupid creation. This gives his game away. There is a specific intent to offer the Jews and his supposed church friends as targets of Muslim backlash. Why would he want to do that if his aim was to inform and educate ?

This looks an Egyptian Brotherhood operation...
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I doubt it, Solo. The film clip is framed with a scene—the best produced in the movie, although this is not saying much—showing the plight of modern-day Copts.

The film is also sympathetic to Jews' mistreatment by Muslims.

Also, as ham-fisted as this film is, most of the incidents are squarely rooted in Islamic texts.

My guess is that Nakoula really did want to make a film about the plight of the Coptic people and how it is rooted in the actions of the founder of Islam, but like so many—including the creators of the Danish MoToons and cartoonist Molly Norris—simply underestimated the savagery of Muslims, even while understanding enough to protest that same barbarism.

That's the truth - it has been just a few weeks - the Salafist smash a Sufi mosque - with one of those construction diggers - that is too big to buy - you rent these - took the whole building apart right in the middle of the capital - in broad daylight.

The US administration must have been thinking the Libyan authorities - don't have control - and security should have been stepped up - at the US Embassy / or other installations around that time.

It is like they are in an Islamic stupor!

It is more important to make a grand public gesture to show they are not "Islamophobic" [/made-up word] - then face the reality that was unfolding before them.

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We were always told freedom comes at a price!

And we want to give up chunks of it - for the Sharia.

At first they come after film directors - then newspapers - it's the norm in the Islamic world - are we expecting something different?

Why do you think Nakoula took on the identity of an Israeli ? He obviously wanted to implicate Jews (he said his backers were Jewish), right ? Why ?

The Justice Department and AP teamed up to lynch this man. I don't believe the criminal charges againt him unless he himself gets on camera and says he is guilty.

Stepehen Coughlin disclosed how we are working with anti sharia measures being pushed by the OIC at the UN. The method we are supposed to use involves "shaming" because we have a first amendment and you can't actually arrest anyone for saying anything that doesn't directly incite violence.

Shaming.

The person who gave AP the history and name of this man wasn't supposed to do it. The AP reporter saw fit to protect HIS name.

AP then went to the mans house, got him to show them his ID. He tried to hide his second name. AP then researched his middle name and published his whole name and a photograph on his house for the entire world to see.

As far as we are concearned AP is no different from the ravening mobs who have trashed our embassy. The AP reporters should be publiclly exposed as well as the justice department employee who, though he was not authorised to speak to the press, released information about a man who was involved in an investigation.

These people have intentionally provided material support to terrorism by ferriting out and publicly exposing this mans name and home.

George, that was awesome and so spot on! ..lol :)

Solo wrote:

Why do you think Nakoula took on the identity of an Israeli ? He obviously wanted to implicate Jews (he said his backers were Jewish), right ? Why ?
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Solo, are you referring to the call made to the Wall Street Journal my a man claiming that the film had "100 Jewish backers"? I doubt very much that that was Nakoula.

Have you watched the 13-minute "trailer"? If you do, you'll see that—despite the abysmally poor acting and production values—that this is actually quite a solid criticism of Islam; of its threat to present day Copts, and of the appalling nature of its founder, and all from the texts of Islam.

I cannot see this film having been made by Jihadists.

The OIC knew about the film and issued this condemnation on November 9, 2012:
http://www.oic-oci.org/topic_detail.asp?t_id=7143

"The spokesman of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation today deplored the reported announcement made by a section of expatriate Egyptian Copts on the production of an offensive and derogatory film on the life of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). The spokesman said that the production of the proposed film would be an act of incitement of inter-communal hatred. The spokesman welcomed the statements by the three main Coptic denominations in Egypt that producers of the proposed film were ignorant of the true teachings of Christianity. The OIC spokesman called on the producers to show respect to the religious sentiments held sacred by Muslims and those of other faiths."

So, the OIC knew about the film, and knew who made it more than a month ago. Plenty of time to plan a coordinated 9/11 attack in multiple countries.

Alright- the criminal charges. The justice dept employee who first gave information to AP said he had been involved in Check Kiting, not credit card fraud. And check kiting ONLY- the justice dept made no mention of the stuff at the end of the article.

The Justice Department Employee said ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the metaamphetamines materials at all.

Now look at the end of the article.

ONE FORMER FRIEND TOLD THE TELEGRAPH:

“He’s a great con artist. He can cheat anyone and will do anything to make money or find fame.

"“He has no ethics at all, zero ethics. He talked a lot. But when you discover his real nature you don’t trust him. I think he made the movie for fame, to be known. I don’t believe he is a religious person. He doesn’t really know God.” In 1997 Nakoula pleaded guilty to possessing drugs used to make methamphetamine and was sentenced to three years probation and community service. At the time, police said they found a receipt for pseudophedrine and $45,000 cash in a paper bag....

The justice department employee said NOTHING of that conviction to the AP reporter.

Now here is an amazing coincedence. There was a story released the day before of an Imam who fled America because he had been convicted of CHECK KITING. He had then been found with Hizbollah terrorists in Mexico.

The man in THAT story had been commiting check kiting and credit card fraud.

Two men from the middle east in news stories so close together who engaged in the exact same fraud- check kiting?

I'd like to meet the lawyer who represented this man in the check kiting trial. And the Lawyer who represented him in the Amphetamine business. If they can't be found then this is a stitch up.

And Who is this unnamed "former friend"? How the hell did the Telegraph really know this really was a "former friend"?

The only problem is, I have absolutely no idea how to find any of that information.

How do you find out if someone was arrested for something?

How do you find out who his lawyers were?

Is it possible to do it from a computer? Or do you have to go to California?

Ive written about this at unclecephas.blogspot.com.

While this "Bacile" character apparently has a nasty past, it's pretty tame compared to those wonderful people who planned a series of events for the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. Bacile, at least, did not murder people.

But, I think there are reasons why the MSM and the Obama administration are giving such prominence to a dubious character who, given his background, probably has some legitimate gripes about Muslim behavior, and, in the Terry Jones kerfuffle, to an obscure Pentecostal preacher from the Florida backwoods. They really want to tell the USA that the First Amendment is a dangerous thing that could be exercised by some "non-respectable" elements and cause the USA a bit of trouble.

@Thruthiocity: I am not sure. If he has been arrested it should be in public records. I only found his name on a page where you have to pay to get the info, but maybe you have more luck than me searching...it's bedtime here;-)

http://www.peoplesearchpro.com/resources/background-check/criminal-records/

http://www.state.ca.us/OnlineServices/OS_Government_records.html

Let's see - Israelis have their own country to hide in, and already have murderous mobs targetting them on a daily basis. Copts have potential mobs of Muslims living all around them... still hard to see why Bacile may want to portray himself as someone other than a Copt? And why saying he's Israeli might make most sense??

Which is not to excuse such a cowardly act in any way...

Gee, do you think you could say that in a fashion that would offend even MORE un-decided people and make it even MORE CERTAIN that those reading YOUR take on the issue will be sympathetic to ANYONE that someone so hateful has a down on?

Please, if you want to HELP then exert yourself and restrain your impulse to 'help'!

Hi, Champ! We missed you around these parts and glad you're back! Always proud to call you a friend here and happy if I gave you a laugh!

G

As a Copt I'm ashamed and embarrassed that he lied about being an Israeli Jew and the source of funds to make the movie.

Hi, George! ...thank you, dear friend :)

No need for embarrassment or shame on your part! There's a lot we don't know about this yet--and we may never know the truth. However it turns out, we know where the real shame and embarrassment should lie, and it's not at the door of you or your oppressed countrymen...

Solo - "Why do you think Nakoula took on the identity of an Israeli ? He obviously wanted to implicate Jews (he said his backers were Jewish), right ? Why ?"

Solo, I also read grabenimage's response to your comments. As far as I know it was someone who pretending to be Nakoula gave the interview and claimed he was Jewish and 100 Jews funded him. Whoever these folks are they will sell their mothers for a cent - they have no integrity. The real problem is with the Journalists of The Associate Press and The Wall Street Journal who did not cross-examine their reporting. They have not yet retracted these false reports. They are the real culprits.

I never trust much written by The Associate Press guys, however, I am surprised The Journal acting in a shameless manner.

Yeah so the guy is a creep.

How is he any different from the vast majority of creeps in Hollywood?

I want to know where is the movie inaccurate?

I want to see those Muslims tell me point by point where the movie lies.

Yeah so the guy is a creep.

How is he any different from the vast majority of creeps in Hollywood?

I want to know where is the movie inaccurate?

I want to see those Muslims tell me point by point where the movie lies.

You're right, taking on a Jewish identity amounts to blood libel against Jews. It pisses me off, we've got enough problems with Mahoundians. Jews were always the first vitims of blood thirsty Muslims. As they stole certain things from us, they consider us to be their worst enemies. But Robert is right, too in saying he's a political prisoner.

Obviously Nakoula isn't a very likeable character, he cheats, lies, is into drugs and btw his movie hasn't the slightest chance to win an academy award, to put it mildly. But he won't be punished for all his misdeeds but for a crime that is no crime. Telling the truth about the self-appointed prophet is no crime. Mahoundians have no right to impose their ideas about blasphemy on the civilised world. That's why we have to defend even an individual as despicable as Nakoula.

A"political prisoner" to quote Amnesty International is one who"has neither used or advocated violence". "Sam Bacile" who violated his parole is no more a "political prisoner" than an Al Qaeda OR IRA terrorist!

It's the Red Herring that's as plain as the nose on one's face. This was a coordinated attack on free speech, devised within the walls of our very own White House. First the 1st Amendment, and then the 2cd. Rep Mike Rogers also finds it very coincidental. Wonder if he'll be taken to the woodshed..or WORSE. I hope everybody sees what this is, and REALLY amps up the free speech..F*k it.."United We Stand, Divided We Fall'

Wish there was a like button so I could press it a million times. Bravo!

Thanks! From the article you cite:

Nakoula’s involvement in the fraud, Henderson stated, was caused by his need to support his family, including his elderly father. “At the time he did this, he was out of work in the gas station industry, which is what he's really familiar in this country,” said Henderson, adding, “and he was working swap meets for a few dollars every weekend trying to support his family.”

That doesn't sound like the description the "former friend" gave of a smooth operator.

He was working with Eiad Salameh. Does anyone know what kind of name that is?

He was given a character reference and a job by someone. Who was this friend who provided a job and a character reference?

Again the article linked to makes no mention of credit card fraud, only check kiting. This article above mentions the other things.

In the remote chance this has anything to do with anything this is about the shiit imam who had commited check kiting and credit card fraud who had been busted in Mexico-

I just think it's a hell of a coincedence that two stories of guys from the middle east who were both commiting the exact same crime in stories that were only one day apart. Probably a coincedence but who knows.

It's a worthy read, apparently the mosque he was connected to engages in interfaith dialogues but when no outsiders are around they preach hate of jews and christians.

http://www.radicalislam.org/analysis/bay-area-imam-part-hezbollah-cell-nabbed-mexico

Red herring, stir-fry, jumbo shrimp, sauce for the goose, multicultural paella, and the scum that rises to the top

In this case of the Mohammed film and filmmaker and the ensuing Mohammedan lunacy, the fallacy of the red herring -- in the minds of the intellectually challenged -- serves to divert attention from the primary point:

No modern Western law forbids or punishes the defamation, slander, mockery or denigration of a historical personage.

The red herring here is the utmost esteem with which Muslims hold this particular historical personage -- Mohammed.

Add in the factor that Muslims are perceived to be a diverse stir-fry of Ethnic Peoples -- or, really, one collective worldwide Ethnic People (with the further division into Moderate Muslims and Extremist Muslims as tenable as that between shrimp and jumbo shrimp) -- whose "religious culture" is inherently connected to their status as an "Ethnic People";

then add in the factor that the modern West labors under a self-imposed paradigm, PC MC (Politically Correct Multi-Culturalism), by which the cultural sensitivities of ethnic peoples tends to trump other concerns, on pain of succumbing to the thought crime of "bigotry" -- a crime worse than Shirk;

then add in the factor that alone among all ethnic peoples (whether actual or perceived), Muslims are the most volatile and violent and have already made good on their threats of deadly violence in various places around the world, thus catapulting them to the top of the list of Ethnic Peoples whose sensitivities and wills must be "respected" by the West above all other concerns;

and you have a recipe for the indigestible Multiculturalist Paella swallowed and regurgitated by the large intestine of the Western mainstream, hastening the morbid pathology of its Body Geopolitic.

This can't go on forever: the Mohammedan antibodies are going to become more and more virulent: the longer we wait to apply an Enemy Enema, the costlier, messier and bloodier will be the outcome.

In the meantime, the stillicidal plop, plop, fizz, fizz of periodic Al-qa Seltzters -- so many bandaids over a gaping wound threatening to turn gangrenously Islamically green -- just won't do, and ultimately are only going to exacerbate the disastrously drastic gastrointestinal convulsions coming down the pike.

It's time to evacuate our bowels and flush, already.

Its very apparent to me from the responses of the Arab Media that a big trick is doing here

First of all anyone has to read this news >>

Jihadis Threaten to Burn U.S. Embassy in Cairo on September 10, 2012

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/09/jihadis-threaten-to-burn-us-embassy-in-cairo.html

NO ONE TOOK THEM SERIOUSLY AND NO ONE COULD THINK HOW THEY WILL MAKE IT.

THEY DID IT

ALL THE ARAB MEDIA JUST STARTED ITS MISSION RAPIDLY TO BLAME AND ACCUSE AMERICA , COPTS AND SURE ISRAEL AND TO BLUFF PEOPLES

THE MAN CLAIM HIS RESPONSIBILITY AS A SCENARIST IS JUST A MAN WORKING WITH THIS JIHADISTS.

WE COPTS USED TO LISTEN TO THESE LAIRS ACCUSING US OF SOME DOINGS WE DID NOT DO (in Camelia Shehata case for example many people came out speaking in the media how copts kidnapped and tortured them in their churches)..

its very clear to me who did it and no one will know with some reason who produced the movie...well done jihadists.

How is the headline accurate at all. The article speaks to his bad character and the fact that he likely broke his probation in the course of this movie production. Furthermore, he isnt IN prison. If he was, it would be for violating the law. He is a CRIMINAL of generally low character. He is out for attention and he got it. Now you are making him out to be a political prisoner? Responsible journalism-out the window in the internet age.

Oh for crying out loud! That is the stupidest idea-its a conspiracy by the MB? They are the ones trying to calm down everyone else! They have enough issues to be dealing with here in Egypt, they don't need this crap anymore than any American did. In fairness, he maligned Jews and Copts with this production.

In discussing it today with a friend, he was furious at the fact that the guy is using his connection to the Coptic Church to get validation when he is clearly not functioning as any kind of Christian and hasn't during his entire adult life, apparently. The gentleman I discussed this was is a Copt, so I think he had a right to say so. Most people in Egypt get along on a day to day basis without much conflict. That man, Bascille or whatever, set out to damage-that was his expressed goal and expectation.

I have a question for you.

What would you say about this film if it had been made by *someone else*? Say, by a non-Muslim American of no religion at all? Or by a bunch of Catholics somewhere in South America?

What if all you knew about it was the film itself and nothing at all about who made it or when or where?

What then?

Would you still call for it to be banned?

Would you still be wanting to have the maker, whoever they were, hunted down and arrested and punished, for 'making trouble'...by exhibiting, in public, however ineptly and inartistically, the deplorable character and deeds and teachings of Mohammed ha-Meshugga, the Mad One?

And as for your airy statement about how everything's really just hunky-dory in Egypt between the de facto dhimmi Copts (so long as they know their place, eh? yes effendi no effendi you may kidnap and rape and convert my twelve-year-old daughter, effendi, that is your right and it is an honour to our family that our dirty infidel daughter is purified by being gang raped by Muslims and added to someone's harem....thank you so much...) and the Muslims who repeatedly, periodically burn, pillage, rob, kidnap, rape and murder them...

you are either a dhimmi so deep in denial that you are exhibiting 'battered wife' syndrome,

or you are a Muslim lying through your teeth.

Me, when *I* look at Egypt - and when I remember what I read in Bat Yeor's historic essay "A Christian Minority: The Copts in Egypt", in Mr Spencer's anthology 'The Myth of Islamic Tolerance', and what can be read about the usual, routine treatment of dhimmis by Muslims, in Bat Yeor's 'The Dhimmi: Jews and Christians Under Islam' and in 'The Decline of Eastern Christianity under Islam', and then I reflect on the searing analysis of the psychodynamic of dhimmitude - sacralised, institutionalised religion-based apartheid and oppression and Abuse to the nth degree - in Rev Dr Mark Durie's 'The Third Choice: Islam, Dhimmitude and Freedom' - I see a Predator Pit. You might like to reflect on by what means Egypt - majority-Copt at the time of the Arab Muslim invasion - is now majority 'Arab' Muslim, with a beleaguered Coptic minority now numbering only 10 percent of the population. And right now, today, I see all the typical precursors of...genocide.

The Copts in Egypt today are in mortal danger. If I were a Copt in Egypt today, I'd be lining up at the Australian embassy, and every other western embassy still functioning, and I'd be moving heaven and earth to flee.

More on the situation of the Copts.

MUSLIM THEFT OF COPTIC GIRLS

http://markdurie.blogspot.com/2009/11/abduction-and-islamization-of-christian.html


http://www.csi-int.org/pdfs/csi_coptic_report.pdf

'A pioneering new report released by Christian Solidarity International and The Coptic Foundation for Human Rights details the abduction, rape, forced marriage and forced islamization of Coptic women and girls in Egypt.

'Despite their significant numbers in Egypt (8-12%), the Christian community, known as the Copts, is frequently subject to widespread marginalization from society and even violent forms of abuse...'.

And this:


http://markdurie.blogspot.com/2011/10/double-bind-upon-copts-dhimmitude-in.html

Monday, October 10, 2011
A Double-Bind Upon the Copts: dhimmitude in action

"...the Copts are in a double bind.

"If they protest against the abuses brought upon their heads by the dhimma system, they are treated as rebels, and the value of their blood and possessions discounted accordingly: the more they protest, the less right they have under Islamic law even to exist.

"On the other hand, the more they acquiesce, the more voracious and emboldened their persecutors will become."

Bullies and Abusers are *never* satisfied; their victim can NEVER go down low enough to satisfy the Bully's infinite sense of entitlement, the pleasure he derives from humiliating and hurting his victim.

Your' argument boils down to using the Copts inside Egypt as hostages to compel the surrender of the West to the demands of Muslims. Between the lines, you seem to be saying: "If you (in the West) say anything bad about Muslims, the Muslims (or, my dear, is it *we Muslims*? are you a Muslim?) will *hurt* the Copts". Exactly like a mafioso who kidnaps someone's kid and then threatens to cut off an ear, and a toe, and a finger, unless the ransom is paid.

Me, I think it is time that the non-Muslim world stopped letting the Muslims use the hostage game against them. I am very much aware of the suffering of the Copts, but I cannot allow Muslims to use the Copts - or any other non-Muslim population trapped within the lands dominated by Islam -as a lever - or as a means of emotional blackmail - by which to force *our* surrender to sharia.

Mr Bacile, irrespective of his character or background or anything else, is free to make such a film, in the USA, on US soil.

Copts ought not to be punished because of it - even if he was a Copt. Were he a Jew, *Jews* ought not to be punished because of it.

If Muslims use this movie as an excuse to attack Jews and Copts, all responsibility for the attacks - which are cruel, unjust and stupid, and constitute collective punishment, which Muslims always squark about in our countries and warn us that we mustn't do it to Muslims, even while Muslims do it all the time to non-Muslims in their own lands - rests on the Muslims, and the Muslims alone, and it is the Muslim attackers who should be blamed and condemned by all sane and decent non-Muslims, world-wide.


And since 'blasphemy' laws apply only within Islamic lands, and there are NO 'blasphemy' laws in the USA, tough bickies, he gets to make his movie and say whatever he wants in it, about Mohammed or anybody else.

Shelly wrote:

"He is a CRIMINAL of generally low character."

Funny, so was false prophet muhammad ...

Hmm.

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