Robert Spencer: U.S. Imams Call for Restricting Free Speech

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In PJ Media today I discuss calls for the restriction of the freedom of speech coming from prominent U.S.-based "moderate" Muslim clerics:

As the Muhammad movie riots continued into a second week, two imams based in the United States joined the calls from the grand imam of Al-Azhar, the grand mufti of Saudi Arabia, and the Muslim Brotherhood for the U.S. to criminalize criticism of Islam.

Sheikh Husham al-Husainy of the Karbalaa Islamic Education Center in Dearborn, Michigan, said about the worldwide Muslim riots that “the only solution is to replace the hate with love.” And “love,” in his mind, meant that “they should put a law not to insult a spiritual leader.”

Meanwhile, Imam Mohammad Qatanani of the Islamic Center of Passaic County, New Jersey, said that “we, as Americans, have to put limits and borders [on] freedom of speech,” for while Americans do indeed have the freedom of speech, they have “no right” to talk about topics holy to Muslims, for to do so will lead to “hatred or war among people.”

Al-Husainy and Qatanani are not marginal, fringe characters. Al-Husainy last year was the featured cleric on All-American Muslim, a reality showed that aired on The Learning Channel and was dedicated to countering the chimerical threat of “Islamophobia” by showing Muslims as ordinary folks leading ordinary lives. Yet, according to Walid Shoebat and Ben Barrack, he is also “a signatory to the Jerusalem Document of 2009, which reads more like Mein Kampf. It refers to the war on Zionism as a war between “good and evil.” Zionism is considered an “aggression” that is infecting “the entire human race.” Muslims are told to “get ready for the holy Jihad.” The document also expresses support for a jihad terrorist group: “We remind our sons to get ready to carry out their duty in Holy Jihad and continue the path which our young valiant men in Hezbollah began in Southern Lebanon.”

Al-Husainy also gave an invocation at the Democratic National Committee’s Annual Winter Meeting in 2007. Al-Husainy prayed:

Through you, God, we unite. So guide us to the right path. The path of the people you bless, not the path of the people you doom. … And help us to stop the war and violence, and oppression and occupation.

He was echoing the Fatiha, the first sura of the Qur’an and most common prayer of Islam. It asks Allah: “Show us the straight path, the path of those whom Thou hast favoured; not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray.” The traditional and mainstream Islamic understanding of this is that the “straight path” is Islam, while the path of those who have earned Allah’s anger are the Jews, and those who have gone astray are the Christians. Thus al-Husainy was condemning Judaism and Christianity right under the bowed heads of the assembled Democrats. And his reference to “occupation” was clearly, coming from this supporter of Hezbollah, a dig at Israel.

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If the Muslims try and restrict free speech in the USA by crimmializing criticism of Mohammed-the narcissitic misogynistic murderous thieving demon possessed pedophilie pseudo prophet, THERE WILL BE CIVILWAR!

The greatest sin in Islam, beyond rape, murder or genocide, is the rejection of Allah and Mohamed as his prophet, which implies unbelief and criticism of all that Islam represents.

When it becomes a crime to criticise Islam, every non-Muslim is an instant criminal with a legal obligation to convert to Islam.

Go figure.

I'd like an English translation of the Jerusalem Document. I found a "Dismantling of Israel" doc, but not a Jerusalem one.

And what of Islamic speech that insults others? Will Muslims agree to never again say Jews are pigs and apes, that Jews and Christians corrupted their holy books, that Jews killed the prophets? These things upset us, so ban them!

Obama won't try to do anything right now but if he is re-elected, he will push for hate speech legislation or if he can get away with it, issue another executive order to appease his beloved muslims. And there is always the U.N. route, which might succeed since the Senate is majority Democrat. I no longer have any expectations or faith in our elected leaders and courts to abide by our Constitution. They all make a mockery of it and we let them get away with it. Shining example: the hideous health care law.

I wonder what it's going to take to get people enraged and engaged enough to revolt. Apparently nothing is too much or it would have already happened during the four year reign of King Obama and his communist court.

Susanp, you've got a good analysis started.

All the bad to come would be on his shoulders, as a muzz, deceitful in the classic muslim style (osama was a necessary sacrifice, to make him appear loyal), misleading the gullible American infidels, of which there still are too many, he's easy on the enemy, has his plans partly laid out for after his re-election, he hopes he can win, along with his henchmen. My real concern is his stealing the vote, various tricks in that vein. Crookedness, which clearly happened in 2008, in the Chicago style. They have fought too hard to allow fraud in voting, by resisting universal voter ID laws.

He will work on softening up America for sharia and takeover, in nefarious ways. They will be highly legally de-stabilizing to America, economy mostly be damned, so far as he is concerned, and he also will work to socialize. He will probably try to put in place an increasing limited style of a police state against resistance to his progress. He will likely go after select individuals in selected groups, one by one, and not necessarily the obvious leaders, which is normally the policing standard. He will set about making examples of soft individual targets, to cause fear, confusion, and graded strategic panic. Maybe in a quiet manner, very mysteriously done. Somewhat of a modified replay of the 30s techniques, via hitler. I'm sure there are some surprises too, of a bad nature.

Hope I'm wrong, we'll see.....If Romney is able to get the nod, new dawning, and light will shine, if the crooked imposter gets back in, darkness will fall, he has well shown who and what he is for those who watch, and track, and his past is being revealed, and it is bad. He has been affected and influenced by a remarkable assortment of dangerous and disaffected persons, and against his poor boy story, there was some money in his background, as well as strangely strong power or funding connections, and a "whatever you can get away with is good" ethos.

Romney and he are ethically and capability for success and good and leadership, as far apart as can possibly be.

Freedom of speech, i.e. say everything so-long it is true

Either you are free, or not (like in a dictatorship)

...“they should put a law not to insult a spiritual leader.”

A law not to insult the pedophile sadist Muhammad

Maybe, having a blasphemy law is not bad.


We could sue a lot of Mohammedans and send them to jail

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It’s even worse than that – Hillary Clinton is ramming the moslems’ anti-blasphemy legislation through the UN for them; it will soon be an amended part of a treaty against “racism” we’ve already signed on to, thus making it part of the laws of our lands! Clinton is pretending religion IS race, and forcing our governments to agree to such a lying statement, by amending the anti-racism documents we’ve already signed, with this blatant lie as an “amendment!”

Please see:

http://dajjal.posterous.com/ad-hoc-cmte-war-on-free-speech

The ONLY limit to Free Speech, should be the Truth!

As even Aristotle noted long ago, slander is only pre-judice, and vice-versa; presenting accusatory opinions as if they were facts (making accusations against someone else, BEFORE having the facts straight)! And that breaks the Golden Rule of Law (to not attack first)!

Of course, aggressively chanting or yelling a truth at someone in a threatening manner ALSO breaks the Golden Rule, because all threats are psychological attacks (aka: coercion, duress, extortion, “terrorism”) and all non-defensive attacks are crimes.

But ‘threatening’ a criminal with his just punishments, after he’s already committed his crimes, isn’t a theat so much as a promise!

The only other way speech should be limited, is if it incites un-just violence against innocent others (as opposed to legislators and police chiefs calling for violence against those who have already attacked innocent others, as in if they call for the death-penalty, for instance).

The Defense of Truth should always apply.

And all religions are lies. Here’s the most simple, obvious differences between philosophy, science, and religion:

1). Philosophy is speculation, presented AS speculation.
2). Science is tested speculation, presented AS tested speculation.
3). Religion is speculation, presented AS fact.

So all religions are lies, and thus crimes (lying is only the most basic form of theft – it’s the theft of the Truth, and theft IS crime)!

BUT, that being said, there’s still a VAST difference between what islam and all the other indoctrinating ‘religious’ cultures tell to their people, and the obvious, predictable results:

We obey the Golden Rule of Law, by simply defining all situational morality as: “Do Not Attack First!” (and “THOU SHALT NOT KILL!”) which enables trust, progress, and Civilization.

(See all “Western” countries)!

They obey the brazen rule of chaos, embodying immorality as: “Our god says we always have to attack all ‘The Others’ first!” (or “THOU SHALT KILL!”) which inflicts distrust, stagnation, and Barbarism.

(See all ‘moslem’ countries)!

Islam’s own most official instruction manual, the Qur’an, declares islam was created by “god” to violently destroy and replace all “other” religions and cultures in the world. The subsequent actions of their followers confirm this.

Further, they have declared it their “right” to murder anyone who even verbally declares their defensive opposition to the moslem’s attacks, in declaring it “blasphemy” (a ‘crime’ punishable by death) to resist their extortions.

So, while at best religions offer advice based on metaphysical speculations and observations of human psychology, and all ‘real’ religions, at WORST, only say:

“Obey our silly rules, or GOD (/’the gods’) will get you!”

…ONLY islam says:

“Obey our silly rules, or WE will get you (‘for god’)!”

Here’s islam’s “holy Message from god” as exemplified by the collective words and deeds of it’s Founder:

“I will save humanity by lying to, extorting, torturing, robbing, burning out of their homes, kidnapping and ransoming, enslaving, raping and murdering everyone who even only verbally disagrees with me – and you can, too!”

-Muhammad-

So obviously, islam is ONLY an ancient, ongoing extortion-racket CRIME-syndicate, and the only “religious” part in it, is where they say:

“God told us to commit these crimes!”

(Capisce?)!

;-)

If our ability to discuss the words and deeds of this ancient, ongoing extortion racket CRIME-syndicate which threaten us all, is “banned” by these “laws” against our freedom of to speak truly, then they also make it “illegal” to defend our selves from these criminals’ attacks!

When a group (say, islam) declares “War!” on us, for “our leaders” to then declare “No, they didn’t!” is a simple, obvious case of cowardly, treasonous, criminal negligence. They’ve abdicated their right to rule over us when they abandoned their responsibility to defend us from threats, and these new “laws” of theirs, proclaiming their putative right to remain irresponsible, are themselves illegal.

Holy mobster Moslems only hate infidels because the Qur’an says “god” orders them to – Period.

Islam is a threat to everyone because IT says it is.

All moslems are criminals because, by their own rules, they must endorse in public every word in the Qur’an.

And the Qur’an tells them that they are so “superior” to all non-moslem humans, that it’s not only their right, but also their holy duty to their god, to extort, enslave, and murder all the non-moslems in the world, simply for the “crime” of not being moslems.

So the Qur’an is a written hate-crime book expressing a permanent death-threat.

BAN ISLAM – because everything moslems pretend to consider “holy” is already a crime!

;-(

From the article -'[sez the Muslim gang bosses] ' they [americans, or anybody else who is not a Muslim] have “no right” to talk about topics holy to Muslims, for to do so will lead to “hatred or war among people.”

In other words: if non-Muslims are free to inquire into and discuss the contents of the Islamic 'sacred' texts, the career of Mohammed, Islamic 'laws', etc., this will lead to non-Muslims' wising up to what Muslims are about, and **resisting the Jihad**....

Can't have non-Muslims doing THAT.

The more of us, all over the world, find out what Muslims intend to do to us...all of us...to ALL the pet dogs and piggeries and wineries and all the uncovered women from Kamchatka to Iceland and from Patagonia to Novosibirsk, to all the artists and sculptors and dancers and poets and painters in every non-Muslim cultural group under heaven, to Christian churches and Jewish synagogues and fire temples and Buddhist and Hindu and Shinto shrines and everything in them...to our music, our art, our **everything**, whether we're a pygmy in the Congo, a native American or native Australian, black, white brown or yellow....and the more of us share this awful fact, of Islam's war upon all the WORLD, with each other (which these days we can do, in an instant), then the more quickly the world may approach a tipping point where everyone or nearly everyone figures out, suddenly, that...the Ummah is the Enemy. A real enemy, not a figment of the imagination. A clear and present danger to *everything* that non-Muslim humans are and do. A monstrous, murderous threat.

the Muslims can see that moment of mass illumination approaching...and they are sh*t scared of it.

Up till now, wearing different masks, they could pick off their assorted victims separately (e..g the Chinese and the Indians, way back in the 8th or 9th century, probably didn't have a *clue* that the same merciless enemy that was assaulting them on the western boundaries, was *also* assaulting Byzantium and Rome and Abyssinia...and vice versa, the westerners didn't realize they were struggling against the same foe as the people of far-off India and Cathay...and millions of black Africans and millions of Hindus were butchered, or enslaved, without ever knowing that the same b*st*rds were doing it to them.

Today, it is - or it pretty damn soon will be - a different matter.

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