Turkey's Erdogan: "Islamophobia" should be recognized as a crime against humanity

The West should be filled this week with politicians speaking up in defense of the freedom of speech. No such luck. Its days are numbered. "PM Erdoğan: Islamophobia should be recognized as crime against humanity," by Mustafa Ünal in Today's Zaman, September 16:

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has stated that Turkey recognizes anti-semitism as a crime, while not a single Western country recognizes Islamophobia as such.

Speaking to journalists in Sarajevo after a series of visits to Azerbaijan, Ukraine and Bosnia and Herzegovina, Erdoğan commented on the 14-minute trailer for "Innocence of Muslims," an obscure film that mocks the Prophet Muhammad, which sparked violent riots across various Muslim nations.

Erdoğan said he will talk about the movie that has angered Muslims on Sept. 25 at the UN General Assembly. He noted that the reaction against the movie in Turkey has been restrained. “In the last past 10 years, extremes [in Turkey] have been curbed. In a way, we acted like a lightning rod.”

He said the Turkish government has made its statement on the movie, giving messages in Yalta, and later during his visit. He said reactions against the movie continued and increased, noting statements from Egypt’s President Mohammed Morsi, who defined the movie as an “aggression on Islam,” has played a role in this.

Erdoğan said he will continue to give messages at the next UN General Assembly meeting about adopting international legislation against insulting religion. “I am the prime minister of a nation, of which most are Muslims and that has declared anti-semitism a crime against humanity. But the West hasn’t recognized Islamophobia as a crime against humanity -- it has encouraged it. [The film director] is saying he did this to provoke the fundamentalists among Muslims. When it is in the form of a provocation, there should be international legal regulations against attacks on what people deem sacred, on religion. As much as it is possible to adopt international regulations, it should be possible to do something in terms of domestic law.”

He further noted, “Freedom of thought and belief ends where the freedom of thought and belief of others start. You can say anything about your thoughts and beliefs, but you will have to stop when you are at the border of others’ freedoms. I was able to include Islamophobia as a hate crime in the final statement of an international meeting in Warsaw.”

Erdoğan said the government will immediately start working on legislation against blasphemous and offensive remarks. “Turkey could be a leading example for the rest of the world on this.”...

In response to a question on whether relations with Israel seem to be normalizing, Erdoğan said, “Israel has not found itself a good position in the eyes of the Islamic world. They are also not making any effort to start a normalization process.”

In other words, they're not surrendering to the jihad.

He said Israel only has ties with Turkey and should make an effort to maintain good relations. Erdoğan said the Israeli government had sent him a businessman who will act as a go-between, but did not name this person. He said he’d told this person -- who he said is the richest Jewish businessman in the world -- that Turkey has three conditions for normalization, which are an official apology to Turkey for a May 2010 attack on a Turkish passenger ship bringing aid to Gaza, paying compensation for the attack that left nine Turkish citizens dead and ending the blockade of Gaza.

Erdoğan said he was hopeful about a recent initiative launched by Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi, whereby the foreign ministers of Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Turkey will be meeting this week.

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Islam sure does get a lot of mileage out of pretending to be a religion.

Any Islamic (or Leftist) law, no matter how high minded it sounds, is a weapon to be used against us because all laws are subject to selective enforcement.
They are used as weapons against us but they never apply to themselves

I thought Islam was a crime against humanity.

If only "Islamophobia" was real - and not an attempt by Muslims to hide the things - they do not wish the rest of the people to know!!!

Criticizing Islam, a crime, murdering scores of Armenians, not so much.

Islamophobia is a crime against humanity?!?!?! 80 million Hindus slaughtered by Islamists is a crime against humanity! What Boko Haram is doing to Christians in Nigeria is a crime against humanity. The 19,000 Islamic terror attacks since 9-11 is a crime against humanity! The honor killings is a crime against humanity! I just can't believe the stunning audacity and hypocrisy!!!!! It is disgusting beyond words!!!

“Freedom of thought and belief ends where the freedom of thought and belief of others start. You can say anything about your thoughts and beliefs, but you will have to stop when you are at the border of others’ freedoms.

They would have to tear half of the Quran out to implement this, not to mention Hadiths and Sharia. Degrading others to promote muslims is the most common theme in Islam.

Erdogan is absolutely correct. Islamophobia is a hate crime against humanity.

It a word that was invented by the Muslim Brotherhood to denigrate those who criticise mohammedanism, and to shut down any discussion of mohammedanism. Anyone using the term is helping the Muslim Brotherhood towards its goal of replacing the civilised Western governments with sharia.

There are a number of other terms that should replace it, including Robert's 'islamorealism'.

Protests are expected in desert kingdoms when the new cigarette named PEDOPHILE hits the stores. It will show a logo of Muhammad on the packaging. No Muslim will smoke it, but it will be purchased by millions of Islamaphobes. The brand and its logo are being sold to beer and clothing makers, a football team is negotiating for the right to use the name.

"I was able to include Islamophobia as a hate crime in the final statement of an international meeting in Warsaw."

The international meeting Erdogan is referring to is the annual Human Dimension Implementation Meeting of the OSCE (Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe; the US is a participating State) in Warsaw. The Counterjihad will be present and will try to do its very best to protest or even move to delete this disastrous sentence.

Reports can be read at Gates of Vienna website after Sept. 30.

What happened to my brilliant and scathing comment posted two minutes ago?

(video) Islamophobia vs. Q. 5:38

Coward sadist Allah, Q. 5:38 “(thieves) CUT OFF his or her HANDS” (also from kids) vs. German Basic Law (Grundgesetz) Article 2, Paragraph 2 "Everyone has the right to life and PHYSICAL INTEGRITY"

Islamophobe? Islamorealism!

http://schnellmann.org/dr_schiffer.html

WILL OBAMA SUPPRESS THE BIN LADEN RAID FILM?

With the administration condemning the 13 minute anti-Islam film for offending Moslem sensibilities and inflaming violence, and with rioters across the Middle East chanting "Obama, Obama we are all Osamas" it's obvious that they are pro-Al Qaida zealots upset with Obama for ordering their hero bin Laden's death. Therefore, for embassy and national security reasons will Obama now try to stop the movie project about the raid from going ahead? How can he oppose the highly offensive anti-Islam film and urge Google to suppress it on You Tube and be for the making of a film that's likely to incite the same violent passions when it hits the big screen?

Oh that darn Islamophobia! Of course over the past 1400 years, Islam has killed over 270 million infidels. Maybe we have a right to be a little phobic.

"Islamophobia"---

Islam = an intolerant, bigoted, hateful, violent, authoritarian, dictatorial and sociopathic ideology; phobia = fear.

Translations:

Anyone who fears intolerance, bigotry, hate, violence, dictatorships, sociopaths.... etc. should be sent to an islamic gulag or murdered. Oh, the buffonery of these pedohammedans. That verbiage of Erdogan and the like is like those signs of pedohammedans saying: Behead those who say islam is violent or Behead those who insult the prophet, islam.

Besides thieves, buffoons.

"Erdoğan has stated that Turkey recognizes anti-semitism as a crime"---

Of course, just like you recognize the genocide of Armenians by Turks. Again, besides thief, buffoon.


"Freedom of thought and belief ends where the freedom of thought and belief of others start. You can say anything about your thoughts and beliefs, but you will have to stop when you are at the border of others’ freedoms"---

The most offensive thing is having a caveman trying to teach us about free speech. The freedom of speech of people doesn't curtail the individual liberties of other people. And in this case, we see cavemen in many places, not just Afghanistan, without electricity, a computer, an internet connection, YouTube access... etc. allegedly protesting about a film that can only by watched on YouTube, ergo, most of these sociopaths didn't even watch the film to begin with. So what we have here is the same old anti-western(not only anti-american) protests along with anti-free speech protests. The film is red-herring, a pretest, distraction.

“Freedom of thought and belief ends where the freedom of thought and belief of others start."
So says every tyrant. My word is Law. You must not question. I speak. You obey. No thought. No questioning.

"You can say anything about your thoughts and beliefs, but you will have to stop when you are at the border of others’ freedoms."
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I think the only way Islam "takes" in a person's brain is if the logical center is suppressed by continued assault. This guy is the leader of his country, and he probably thinks this statement makes sense.

How are my "thoughts and beliefs" - even expressed in a film - possibly going to infringe on Erdogan's "freedoms"? Does this moron think all he has to do is throw PC buzz-words out there and the media will eat it up and march to his cause? It's amazing. It's like he has speech writers start with the words "freedom" "islamophobia", and "antisemitism", and just fill in the rest with meaningless words.

And is he prepared to edit the Quran of all ITS attacks on other religions? The book would be about 1/5 lighter if he did. I really hope someone asks him that on camera, but I'm not holding my breath.

Just to clarify..
It may not be immediately obvious why such benign sounding tolerance of another's beliefs would lead to tyranny.
The point is, Erdogan's statement allows for no critique of ideas and beliefs of others. Should I then accept unquestioningly the ideas of Nazism and Stalinism?
What Erdogan is doing is laying the groundwork for his own totalitarianism by ruling out any criticism of his (or Islam's) rules and laws.

"“Freedom of thought and belief ends where the freedom of thought and belief of others start"--

Erdogan is saying it implicitly, he's saying that Islam is so weak, so f'ing weak, that someone opening their mouth is enough to convert a muslim into an atheist, agnostic, christian, buddisht... etc. freedom of speech, is all it takes to destroy Islam, that's why they ban it!. Wake up people, read between the lines.

He further noted, “Freedom of thought and belief ends where the freedom of thought and belief of others start. You can say anything about your thoughts and beliefs, but you will have to stop when you are at the border of others’ freedoms.”
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This is a parody of the marvelously concise phrase, "Your freedom to swing your fist ends at my nose".

Conversely, no one has the "right" never to hear a critical word regarding their beliefs.

This is especially grotesque when you realize how Islam denigrates every other faith. All that "respect of beliefs" runs one way when it comes to Islam.

Krazy Kafir wrote;

Criticizing Islam, a crime, murdering scores of Armenians, not so much.
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Excellent post, Krazy Kafir.

@gravenimage

"how Islam denigrates every other faith. All that "respect of beliefs" runs one way when it comes to Islam"---

There's free speech in Islam, but it's a one way street concept for them. They can say and do whatever they want but non-muslims? well... they better STFU or else!.

Islamophobic - and PROUD OF IT!

Islamophobic - and PROUD OF IT!

Contradiction in terms.

There is a difference between a human being and being human.

Not possible to commit a crime against humanity when it involves Muslims.

No humanity. No crime.

Interesting Mr. Edrogan, that you mention anti-semitism is a crime in Turkey.
How are those prosecutions going of the criminals on the Mavi Mamara. You know, the one's who were shouting "Khaybar, Khaybar, Oh Jews ! The army of Muhammed will be upon you"

Political Islam is a cancer to humanity.

i'm afraid of islam. shoot little 22 year old mama with 2 children....scares me. beat 24 year old woman because she doesn't want to wear her scarf to the university, put her in prison for 3 years and rape her 5 times in custody. SCARES me.

swinging men and women on ropes at the end of cranes. scares me. behead humans...... that is WAAAAAAAAAy over my limit. what really scares me, is the cooperation in USA politics with this scary stuff. THAT is why i AM "islamphobic". of course, anyone with 1/2 a brain would be!

Not scores, it was over a million Armenians murdered.

Mr. Edrogan is simply a brilliant man ! No wonder, most of the world leaders (except the Zionist) have deep respect and admiration for his wisdom.

I had no idea in Turkey, antisemitism is a crime and there is law regarding it. This shows Turkey is a modern Muslim country. Than, whats wrong with the U.N. of passing a law to restrict hate groups, such as Pamela Geller, Jihad Watch, DanielPipes org and Geers Wilders etc. to spread lies against Islam known as "ISLAMOPHOBIA".

I am also concern regarding cold blooded murder of some 1400 old men, women and children in Gazan by the notorious Zionist army using all kind of weapons including chemical weapons. Not a single person ever face the justice. Yet, Gaza remained the largest concentration camp in the world, simply because, Jews control American election process.

Obviously, a debate is necessary among nation before adopting such law universally as proposed by Mr. Edrogan.

Man, you are way out there in the cheap seats, Danny!

"Than, whats wrong with the U.N. of passing a law to restrict hate groups, such as Pamela Geller, Jihad Watch, DanielPipes org and Geers Wilders etc. to spread lies against Islam known as "ISLAMOPHOBIA"."

The powerless, muslim-controlled UN can pass anything it wants! That doesn't mean SQUAT here! We have our own Constitution and Bill of Rights. These are not negotiable and we won't be held at gunpoint by barbarians. Anyone who thinks we will has a rude surprise coming.

"I am also concern regarding cold blooded murder of some 1400 old men, women and children in Gazan by the notorious Zionist army using all kind of weapons including chemical weapons."

And, I'm "concern" regarding a sick muslimah who participates in a mass-murder at an Israeli pizza parlor, then yuks it up about all her muslim friends who were celebrating it--and getting positively giddy as the death-count went up. And despicable muslims filming their children with AK-47's and teaching them it's good to kill Jews.

"...such as Pamela Geller, Jihad Watch, DanielPipes org and Geers Wilders etc. to spread lies against Islam known as "ISLAMOPHOBIA"."

Wrong again, Dan. Robert Spencer et al just report the truth about islam. Go ahead, tell me one lie Spencer has told? Muslims are 100 percent responsible for their own bad image. And, more tough news for you: That image just got WAY worse with the latest riot-and-murder spree.

"Obviously, a debate is necessary among nation before adopting such law universally as proposed by Mr. Edrogan."

There's nothing to debate about. We're not giving up our rights and freedoms under threats from savages. Don't be trying to f**k with our rights, Danny. It won't work out well for you. I promise...

I'm confused.

Antisemitism is a crime?

Is AntiChrisitianism a crime?

The USA has something called freedom of speech.

You are free to be offended and insulted and to do the same in this country.

People are respected here.... not thoughts opinions or belief systems.

The difference is that living PEOPLE are the ones with rights, not thoughts or beliefs.


What I see here is a blatant attempt to criminalize freedom of expression and speech.

...you wouldn't know the truth if it kicked you in the head!

"Revenge of Old Glory"

You cannot make this stuff up - a Pakistani protester died due smoke inhalation from burning a US flag during a protest.

More details here
http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2012/09/old-glorys-revenge-muslim-protester.html

Synopsis from several sources
[A Pakistani man, one of approximately 10,000 people participating in an anti-American rally has died. The cause of death? Complications from inhaling smoke after burning an American flag. The Express Tribune, a Pakistani newspaper affiliated with The International Herald Tribune (“The Global Edition of The New York Times”) reported:


One of the participants of the rally, Abdullah Ismail, passed away after he was taken to Mayo Hospital. Witnesses said he had complained of feeling unwell from the smoke from US flags burnt at the rally.

The rally is part of protests, organized by Jamaat-Ud-Dawa, the political arm of the terrorist group Lashkar-e-Taiba.

Protesters are allegedly insulted by America’s unwillingness to punish the makers of the film “Innocence of Muslims.” The protesters, demanding respect for and tolerance of Islam, threatened to destroy the U.S. consulate in Pakistan if the United States does not publicly hang the movie’s producer, director, and “all those involved in the production and release of the movie” (which would presumably include Google and YouTube employees). The protesters also will not be satisfied until the United States makes a “law against blasphemy.”]

"One of the participants of the rally, Abdullah Ismail, passed away after he was taken to Mayo Hospital. "

Why is there a Mayo Hospital in Pakistan? We should be hospitalizing them, not caring for them.

gail, try again. Sometimes there's a glitch in the process.

Another anecdote from the "you can't make this stuff up" category, that goes back a few years - from wikipedia:

Ganga Ram was a Hindu philanthropist who had lived in the Pakistani side of Punjab, but prior to the India-Pakistan partition...

[A statue of Sir Ganga Ram once stood on Mall Road in Lahore. Saadat Hasan Manto, the famous Urdu writer, in one of his stories on the frenzy of religious riots of 1947 writes that an inflamed mob in Lahore, after attacking a residential area, ‘turned to attacking the statue of Sir Ganga Ram, the Hindu philanthropist.

They first pelted the statue with stones; then smothered its face with coal tar. Then a man made a garland of old shoes climbed up to put it round the neck of the statue. The police arrived and opened fire.

Among the injured were the fellow with the garland of old shoes. As he fell, the mob shouted: “Let us rush him to Sir Ganga Ram Hospital.” ]

Alternate sources are also in the wikipedia article.

From the man who still wants to deny the Armenian Holocaust?

What rank hypocrasy!

In other words, criticism of a political ideology is a 'crime against humanity'.

Is criticism of capitalism a 'crime against humanity'? Marxism? Criticism of Castro?

Criticizing the philosophy that creates a trail of dead bodies is a 'crime against humanity'?

In this case, Erdogan is telling us no critical discourse is possible about any political philosophy or theory.

Erdogan is not a subtle man. He is using 'special pleading' to argue that Islam, and only Islam, is above criticism.

Huh? Thought crime? How does someone's thoughts impose upon the freedom of another person's thoughts? Erdogan runs a police state himself, so who is he to be lecturing others on freedoms?

I wonder when the last prosecution for antisemitism took place in Turkey?

I thought Islam was a crime against humanity.
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That's succinct and to the point, great phrase.

I'm wondering in what way Turkey acted like a lightning rod. Erdogaga only makes things worse by criminalising freedom of speech. Islam is evil, no doubt about that.

The difference is that antisemitism is a racial crime, Jews are and have always been persecuted for being Jews even if they were actually Christians. Muslims are obviously not a race so it does not apply. Islamophobia means objecting mainly to political Islam which openly declares its aim to dominate humanity and proclaims violence as a means to that end, and it carries out acts of violence against other faiths as well as between sects of Islam, it does not target Muslims individually for the most part. Otherwise we would call it Muslimophobia!

The meretricious "danny" wrote:

Mr. Edrogan is simply a brilliant man ! No wonder, most of the world leaders (except the Zionist) have deep respect and admiration for his wisdom.
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His "wisdom"? Well, yes—he is dismantling secular Turkey, and slowly replacing it with a Shari'ah state. That's Islamic "wisdom" for you...

More;

I had no idea in Turkey, antisemitism is a crime and there is law regarding it. This shows Turkey is a modern Muslim country.
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What *utter crap*. Erdogan still denies the Armenian genocide, which also included mass murder of Greeks, Levantines—and Jews. The entire Jewish quarter of Smyrna was destroyed in 1922, and most of its inhabitants slaughtered.

And Erdogan has worsened Turkey's relations with Israel, including his backing of the Jihad fleet. The idea that he has a problem with antisemitism is simply laughable.

More;

Than (sic), whats wrong with the U.N. of passing a law to restrict hate groups, such as Pamela Geller, Jihad Watch, DanielPipes org and Geers Wilders etc. to spread lies against Islam known as "ISLAMOPHOBIA".
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Name *one lie* against Islam by these groups. Rather, the savagery of Islam speaks for itself.

More:

Obviously, a debate is necessary among nation before adopting such law universally as proposed by Mr. Edrogan.
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Nice try. You might want to crush freedom of speech and impose Shari'ah blasphemy laws, but many civilized people stand against this barbarism.

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