UK: TV show on historical origins of Islam trigger avalanche of complaints, accusations of bias

Holland said: "The origins of Islam are a legitimate subject of historical enquiry and...the programme was in keeping with other series on the channel where the historical context of world religions were examined. It is important to stress as we do in the film that this is a historical endeavour and is not a critique of one of the major monotheistic religions."

However, as the author of another book on the historical development of Islam that challenges the canonical account, as well as other books that lay out honestly and accurately the texts and teachings of Islam, I can testify that any discussion of Islam that is not full of fulsome praise and distortions about the violent and supremacists texts and teachings of the Qur'an and Sunnah will inevitably meet with accusations of "bias" and "hate." Those who make such accusations are not neutral observers, but combatants in an ideological war, bent on discrediting and marginalizing those whom they perceive to be the "enemies of Islam" by tarring them with the taint of bias and bigotry. Such accusations are, in other words, just tactics, weapons of war, not honest analysis.

"Islam TV show triggers deluge of Ofcom complaints," by Ben Quinn in the Guardian, September 2 (thanks to Daniel):

The British historian behind a Channel 4 history of Islam has defended the programme after it triggered hundreds of complaints to the broadcaster and the television regulator Ofcom, which led to him being accused of distorting the history of the religion.

Islam: The Untold Story was billed by the channel as "an extraordinary detective story" in which historian Tom Holland found himself embroiled in "an underground but seismic debate: the issue of whether, as Muslims have always believed, Islam was born fully formed in all its fundamentals, or else evolved gradually, over many years".

But after it was broadcast on 28 July, Holland found himself on the receiving end of a torrent of criticism on Twitter and a lengthy critique by the Islam Research and Education Academy (IREA), which accused him of making "baseless assumptions" and engaging in "elective Scholarship".

"Tom Holland's assertion that there is no historical evidence for the seventh-century origins of Islam is historically inaccurate," the IREA said, alleging that his presentation was "clearly biased" and that he ignored the work of key scholars.

In a response issued by Channel 4, Holland said: "The origins of Islam are a legitimate subject of historical enquiry and that the programme was in keeping with other series on the channel where the historical context of world religions were examined.

"It is important to stress as we do in the film that this is a historical endeavour and is not a critique of one of the major monotheistic religions," he added.

The historian, a non-Muslim, went on: "An accusation laid against the film is one of bias and, although I believe that absolute objectivity is a chimera, what was incumbent upon us, in making the film, was to be upfront about my own ideological background and presumptions, and to acknowledge the very different perspective that Muslim faith provides."

Holland continued to field criticism on Twitter, where one user tweeted: "This fool Tom Holland who made this programme also created a book about Islam saying it was a religion made up by people over the years."

However, where there was also support. Dan Snow, who has hosted historical documentaries for the BBC and other channels, tweeted: "Dear angry mad people on twitter, it is conceivable that you know more than @holland_tom & the world's leading scholars, but very unlikely".

Indeed.

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"Holland continued to field criticism on Twitter, where one user tweeted: "This fool Tom Holland who made this programme also created a book about Islam saying it was a religion made up by people over the years."

The fact that a lot of what is found in the teachings Islam has been conjured up or made up over the centuries by other people since Mohamed's revelation is historically accurate. Even Islamic scholars have said that about the hadiths in particular. There was at time an estimate 500,000 hadiths (traditions of Mohamed) were floating around as travelers would sell made up ones to others as actual hadiths. The supposedly more accurate amount of them is in the range of 25,000 by Bukhari.Even then, these traditions are literally mathematically impossible given the length of Mohameds life or anyones life for that matter.

I think it was a poor programme with very thin content-but of course showing atmospheric footage of the Arabian Desert. Holland would have done better pairing up with Robert Hoyland who wrote both a book on Arabia before Islam and 'Seeing Islam As Others Saw It' which summarises the textual & archaeological evidence of the early Islamic era.

Of course that is not the point regarding the complaints from the Ramhadan Foundation, Inayat Bunglawala, IERA and others. As a historian & archaeologist I personally don't agree with the programme's conclusions. But I recall a tv programme and book by ex-Beirut hostage Robert McCarthy called 'It Ain't Necessarily So' which claimed there was little or no evidence for David, Solomon, or much of Christianity. There was not a fuss then.

1) A free society allows all kinds of material to be published whether we agree with it or not- perhaps especially, if we consider it to be objectionable or biased. Who is to decide?
2) Even incorrect conclusions can stimulate debate and new thinking. My recent PhD thesis challenges many scholars' interpretation of Egypt before the pharaohs. People can agree with my conclusions, wholly, partly or shoot me down. My work was stimulated by research by David Rohl(of whom some American colleagues may have heard in respect of Biblical archaeology & the Garden of Eden). I profoundly disagree with his conclusions on many issues, but I would never have started my doctorate without his efforts having motivated me.

I agree, it was a thin programme, but was really only set-up to say one thing, rather than be some kind of definitive history.

And that simply was "islam can go under the microscope like everything else". My guess is they didn't go any further than that because they were too scared to. You can tell that in holland's hand-wringing in his statement answering critiscism.

But the remarkable thing is that it was commissioned in the first place, let alone broadcast, with the shar'ah law of slander, ie 'islamophobia', being enforced wilfuly by broadcasters and publishers in the UK.

It's a start...

Here is a review of Tom Holland's TV programme, (UK Channel 4):

'Islam: The Untold Story':-

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/reviews/last-nights-viewing--islam-the-untold-story-channel-4-accused-bbc1-8084486.html


Of course, it is inconceivable that Robert Spencer would ever be allowed
to present the thesis of his book: 'Did Muhammad Exist?' on any TV channel
in the West.

It's very simple. Islam cannot tolerate scrutiny or criticism. No totalitarian ideology can.

The unsurprising irony of it is that Tom Holland is decidedly soft on Islam:

We were of course aware when making the programme that we were touching deeply-held sensitivities and went to every effort to ensure that the moral and civilizational power of Islam was acknowledged in our film, and the perspective of Muslim faith represented, both in the persons of ordinary Bedouin in the desert, and one of the greatest modern scholars of Islam, Seyyed Hossein Nasr.

It is important to stress as we do in the film that this is a historical endeavour and is not a critique of one of the major monotheistic religions.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/islam-the-untold-story/articles/tom-holland-responds-to-the-programmes-critics

As I've noted time and again, such groveling at the feet of the PC MCs and their Muslim clients doesn't seem to do much good -- Tom Holland is still accused of "bias" of not, by insinuation, bigotry. Though in Holland's case, it may not be groveling: he may really believe that Islam actuall has "moral and civilizational power" and that it is
"one of the major monotheistic religions" as though that's a packaged box-set, and Islam is to be automatically included, for $39.99 at Amazon.com.

In his video interview on his latest book, In the Shadow of the Sword, it sounds like he "contextualizes" Islam in a broader context of ancient Imperialism, and puts the political exploitation of the new monotheism by Constantine (and no doubt the Persian Emperor of the time) on a par with Mohammed. I.e., Holland is more or less an Equivalencist, and wouldn't dream of noticing that Islam is unique in its imperialist expansionism, its ideological supremacism, and its violence in the name of the aforementioned. Just because Holland "deconstructs" Islam and Mohammed, that doesn't mean he's not an Equivalencist. In fact, it seems that Holland's project is to restore Equivalencism in a PC MC milieu where lip service is given to that, but where what's really going on is a one-sided privilege and respect for Islam not accorded to other religions and cultures. (Sure, Holland alludes to noticing that Muslims, unlike many modern Christians, seem to regard their holy book as impervious to deconstructionism, but he doesn't seem to go beyond that very tepidly gingerly dip of a little toe in the raging ocean of Islamic evil, simply regarding it as a curiously distinct inlet of the same body of water he is historically probing -- and no doubt otherwise chalking up the mountain of violent and hateful data that impinges on him daily as a news watcher as data that would indicate a confirmation of the usual explanatory mechanism of the TMOE (Tiny Minority of Extremists) -- lest, heaven forbid, he should step outside of his Box and have to revise his historiography of Islam as part of the Box Set of Imperialistic Monotheisms.)

http://www.tom-holland.org/books/in-the-shadow-of-the-sword/

Needless to say, however, Equivalencism simply won't do, for those of us who have come, unremarkably yet still extraordinarily, to "know more than @tom_holland".

Muslims can't handle the truth about their own religion...

'The Blaze' has:-


"‘MADE UP RELIGION’: TV HISTORIAN ENRAGES MUSLIMS, RECEIVES THREATS AFTER PRODUCING UK DOCUMENTARY QUESTIONING ISLAM’S BEGINNINGS."


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/made-up-religion-tv-historian-enrages-muslims-receives-threats-after-producing-uk-documentary-questioning-islams-beginnings/

Other religions have had to endure the same scrutiny on their respective origins for some time now. Islam, once again, seems to be the exception. Well at least they didn't ban the program. Let us hope no one gets whacked or riots ensue when it shows.

Things I'd like to see.

A 'talking heads' show in which Tom Holland, Ibn Warraq, Robert Spencer and Emmet Scott discussed ...Islam.

No holds barred.

"It is important to stress as we do in the film that this is a historical endeavour and is not a critique of one of the major monotheistic religions," he added."

And if it is, so f-ing what?

Read Peter Hammonds "Slavery, Terrorism and Islam" He just kicks the crap out the Koran being an original book claim. He cites chapter and verse how the Koran was ripped off of Christian and Hebrew scripture. I really did ENJOY reading this book. It's one of the most informative little books I've ever read. On this subject or any other. It's like a mini-encyclopedia.

He talks about the history of Islamic slavery and the genocide that not only contributed a GREAT deal to the American slave trade I think it shows that if it werent for the Muslims there probably would have never BEEN a slave trade!

It's hard to make gripping TV from "lack of evidence", and it was quite a slow hour-and-a-half's viewing. Still, well done to Channel4 for commissioning it, and for Tom Holland for putting his head above the parapet to present it (did he know what he was getting into, I wonder?)

The BBC wouldn't have touched it with a bargepole - cf. their hagiographic Life Of Muhammad a year or so ago, presented by the (Muslim) Rageh Omaar.

"Things I'd like to see.

A 'talking heads' show in which Tom Holland, Ibn Warraq, Robert Spencer and Emmet Scott discussed ...Islam.

No holds barred."

As is fairly evident from the video interview I linked above, and from the reviews and description of Holland's new book "The Shadow of the Sword" -- he considers the "Sword" to be all the "imperialists" of the time known as the ecumenic age -- thus he bundles Constantine along with the Persian Emperor along with Mohammed (and his successor Caliphs) into one type -- the Imperialism-using-Monotheism.

I.e., Holland wouldn't mind holding no bars about Islam in such a round table as you envision, but he would mind -- and would be unable to restrain himself from -- not having to intrude with Equivalencist remarks and observations about Christianity and Zoroastrianism as well that obviously tend to dilute the whole point about Islam.

Unless the other participants of your round table were forewarned of this and could prepare, and unless the whole exchange revolved around how wrong Holland's thesis is, I'd not want to waste my time with it.

I watched the program, I am an Historian and the programme was excellently present as an exercise in historical reseach. The fact that the followers of Muhammad go into a frenzy does not in anyway negate the facts presented in the programme. However, will the many complaints mean Channel 4 will avoid the subject in the future ??? Lets hope not.

I assume you've sent off an appreciative letter to Channel 4 ASAP to thank them for airing this program? You have to let them know there is a Market out there for this sort of thing. Then they might go a little further next time.

Nothing like a bit of Love Mail to help outweigh the Hate Mail they will undoubtedly have been getting.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2197021/Channel-4-history-Islam-sparks-flood-complaints-presenter-Tom-Holland-subjected-torrent-abusive-tweets.html
The UK Channel 4 documentary programme "Islam: The Untold Story" presented by historian Tom Holland covered some of the same ground as Robert Spencer's "Did Mohammed Exist". While the existence of Mohammed was not questioned the lack of physical evidence to support arab oral traditions was explored and it was suggested that islam grew out of the need for a state "religion" for the expanding arab empire.
Daily Mail covers response from islamists, quoting "Islamic Education and Research Academy" as if it were a respectable academic organisation (couldn't they have googled it? and found this: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/andrewgilligan/100049624/the-guardian-falls-for-an-extremist-lie/).
Tom Holland's response to critics:http://www.channel4.com/programmes/islam-the-untold-story/articles/tom-holland-responds-to-the-programmes-critics
Channel 4 video on demand (can you access this from outside UK?)
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/islam-the-untold-story/4od
Review in "Daily Telegraph":
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/9504588/Islam-the-Untold-Story-review.html
Review in "The Independent"
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/reviews/last-nights-viewing--islam-the-untold-story-channel-4-accused-bbc1-8084486.html

If link to Channel 4 on demand doesn't work from outside the UK, here is the documentary programme on You Tube.
Channel 4 (UK) programme "Islam: The Untold Story"
4oD on You Tube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm8xKh8eQqU

Above, I already responded to, and linked to, Tom Holland's "response to critics" -- http://www.channel4.com/programmes/islam-the-untold-story/articles/tom-holland-responds-to-the-programmes-critics

I guess I read other people's comments, but they don't read mine. Oh well.

Update:


"Channel 4 cancels Islam documentary screening after presenter threatened.
"A screening of a controversial documentary on the history of Islam has been cancelled on security advice after its presenter was threatened."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/9535854/Channel-4-cancels-Islam-documentary-screening-after-presenter-threatened.html

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