University of Pennsylvania prof calls for arrest of Muhammad filmmaker

First Amendment Death Watch Update: USA Today joins the Los Angeles Times, the Washington Post, and others in calling for restrictions on the freedom of speech. They either don't realize or don't care that they're cutting their own throat. "Opposing view: Why Sam Bacile deserves arrest," by Anthea Butler in USA Today, September 12 (thanks to Judas):

Words have consequences. I know that because one of my tweets asking "when Sam Bacile would be arrested" drew wide attention on Wednesday.

My initial tweet about Bacile, the person said to be responsible for the film mocking the prophet Mohammed, was not because I am against the First Amendment. My tweets reflected my exasperation that as a religion professor, it is difficult to teach the facts when movies such as Bacile's Innocence of Muslims are taken as both truth and propaganda, and used against innocent Americans.

If there is anyone who values free speech, it is a tenured professor!

So why did I tweet that Bacile should be in jail? The "free speech" in Bacile's film is not about expressing a personal opinion about Islam. It denigrates the religion by depicting the faith's founder in several ludicrous and historically inaccurate scenes to incite and inflame viewers. Even the film's actors say they were duped.

Bacile's movie is not the first to denigrate a religious figure, nor will it be the last. The Last Temptation of Christ was protested vigorously. The difference is that Bacile indirectly and inadvertently inflamed people half a world away, resulting in the deaths of U.S. Embassy personnel.

No one was murdered over The Last Temptation of Christ. And the difference was that in this case the "people half a world away" are Muslims, with a tradition of reacting with violent rage to perceived insults.

Bacile's movie does not excuse the rioting in Libya and Egypt, or the murder of Americans. That is deplorable. Unfortunately, people like Bacile and Terry Jones, the Florida pastor who provoked international controversy by burning copies of the Quran, have a tremendous impact on religious tolerance and U.S. foreign policy.

Case in point: Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called Jones on Wednesday to ask him to stop promoting Bacile's film. Clearly, the military considers the film a serious threat to national security. If the military takes it seriously, there should be consequences for putting American lives at risk.

Indeed. Those who murdered and rioted in Libya and Egypt should be found and prosecuted. Not the filmmakers.

While the First Amendment right to free expression is important, it is also important to remember that other countries and cultures do not have to understand or respect our right....

And apparently, neither do University of Pennsylvania professors. She is saying that Muslims do not have to respect the freedom speech, but non-Muslims have to respect Islamic blasphemy law. Why the inequity?

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The Ikhwan and the OIC can go to Gehenna! NO to Islamization and dhimmitude!

Bacile didn't "inflame" anyone. Those Muslims CHOSE to ste themselves ablaze. Pity that a professor of religion doesn't understand free will.

Free speech is more important than Islam.

"While the First Amendment right to free expression is important, it is also important to remember that other countries and cultures do not have to understand or respect our right...."---

Universal rights are universal and freedom of speech is a universal human right. It doesn't matter if we are talking about Tokyo, Medina, Burundi, McMurdo in Antarctica, Pluto, Jupiter, Andromeda or Omicron Persei... but of course, we're talking about sociopaths, in this case we have Anthea Butler, which advocates "cultural relativism", in other words free speech for muslims and controlled, censored speech for non-muslims, muslims can say and do whatever they want but non-muslims... well... they better STFU or else!.

Saudi sponsored professors brigade - teaching the madrassa version of Islam - sorry the westernized-madrassa version - clearly those young men and boys in the madrassas are learning something very different. They mostly leave wanting to go to war for Islam or take over countries by political means to install Islamic ones.

The US President swears to uphold the US Constitution along with every law enforcement agency - if this means anything to this professor.


My tweets reflected my exasperation that as a religion professor, it is difficult to teach the facts when movies such as Bacile's Innocence of Muslims are taken as both truth and propaganda, and used against innocent Americans.

It can also be used as propaganda - to suggest that the Muhammad film - based on the Hadiths and modern accounts of the Islamic world and its followers' proclamations - is entirely inaccurate.

In this supposed effort to protect people - she steps over the bounds and suggests that US law be used to protect a religious ideology.

No doubt in a few short years she would be teaching the real version of Islam - if her plan goes through - the one they teach at the Al Azhar mosque/university. None of this Christianized anti-racist gobbledygook!!


Some people do know what Islam really teaches and its okay!

We just don't want it to control our countries. They can believe what they want.
Muhammad made a donkey into a Muslim - so be it!!

On the 12th of September 2012 an incident in Libya and across the Arab world a situation risen which cost the U.S consulate his life in Libya. The problem started with a little movie that insulted the prophet in Islam which happen in the United States of America and resulted in blood shed in Libya and demonstrations in Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia and other Arab countries but was this purely only because of defending religion?

Read more: http://www.maghrebchristians.com/2012/09/13/north-africa-and-the-purpose-of-freedom/#ixzz26MWRZRBy

Youssef

Butler, is too stupid to be a "tenured professor". If you have children in this fool’s class get them out and move them to a different university.

"While the First Amendment right to free expression is important, it is also important to remember that other countries and cultures do not have to understand or respect our right...."

In other words, because other countries are barbaric and savage hell holes with ignorant populations that deny individual liberty, persecute and murder "infidels", abuse women, promote slavery and hate, and much more, we should arrest people and become slaves ourselves. Yeah, that sounds like a logical argument. They don’t respect our rights, but we’re supposed to give up our rights because they don’t? We'll, that is the leftist viewpoint.

As for denigrating Islam, Muslims do that much better than the video, which isn’t much of a film. And probably wasn't seen by any of the rioters.

The left can never get beyond 'guilt by association', even if the association is imaginary...Look what power Pastor Jones has over Islam, and the left...All he has to do is burp and they go wild...It's free speech that causes that, if there is anything Allah, and the dhimmi left can't tolerate, it's a Pastor wielding the sword of free speech...

was that realy a university prof ? I can't believe it I feel sorry for the students.what is she teaching them cowardice and how to be a good dhimmi?
Innocence of Muslims
ha ha Now that what I call oxymoron
It denigrates the religion by depicting the faith's founder in several ludicrous and historically inaccurate scenes to incite and inflame viewers
Historically inaccurate ? have you seen the movie ? I watched the 13 minutes that was on utube ( befor it was removed yesterday ) there was no inaccuracy.Mohammad was born 4 years after his father's death and he was always labeled as a bastard child by his tribe,he worked for Khadiga before marrying her the story of the test Khadiga gave to the spirit Mohammad was seeing by having him ( Muhammad ) sit on her left leg then the right then in the middle ....all is documented in Islamic tradion books, the kiliing of an old women by tearing her appart by tying her between camels for the crime of insulting Mohammad in a poem,Mohammad getting caught in bed with Ayesha's slave girl and Ayesha making a scandel about it, marrying his daughter in law (these last two actualy have reference in the Quran ) ...What inaccuracy she is talking about ? as for the begining of the trailer the professor does not need any difficult reading like El Boukhary or El tabary or whatever she just have to google attack copts egypt

For a start: The movie is rather a mess. Parts of it I found incomprehensible, and it certainly should have been edited into something more coherent before being released in any format. OTOH, many of the most horrible things it had to say about Muhammad and Islam were simply the truth. Unfortunately we can expect no major studio to attempt a better presentation of the truth about Muhammaad.

As to this Anthea Butler, I suppose she is honored to join the dhimmi tradition of the more distinguished writers John le Carré and Roald Dahl, both of whom blamed Salman Rushdie for "inciting" the Muslim savages to violence.

"If there is anyone who values free speech, it is a tenured professor!" No. If there is anyone who should value free speech, it is a tenured professor, or for that matter any good American. Anthea Butler fails the test.

what a f...ing idiot!!! I am going to send her an email now.
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Pity that simple concept is so hard to understand. For all their education people can remain pretty stupid.

"Sam Bacile" probably does not exist. He may be a "composite" of Al Qaeda members or sympathizers. Whoever "Sam" may be, he is an agent provocateur setting the stage for the mayhem triggered by al Zawahiri.

The worst part of the quest to quash free speech is that the speech proposed to be quashed gives every indication of being more true and accurate than the speech coming from Obama, Clinton, or the State Department concerning the truth of Islam.

Quashing free speech has the unfortunate consequences of prohibiting speech that could very well be true but does not want to be heard. Our main stream media is an outrage against America.

Anthea Butler demand to bring this low life so-called film producer to justice is 100% correct. This is no longer a subject of first amendment right.

One can not scream "FIRE" "FIRE" inside a packed movie house, knowing full well there is no fire and people can get killed from spreading panic in stampede. Than claim protection under freedom of speech and or first amendment.

Man who made this movie from funds of $5 million from 100 Jews (as he himself told this to WSJ)need to be investigated in depth. I like to see how much money traditional Islamophobia or hate spreading organizations, such as Jihad Watch, Pamela Heller, Gert Wilders and Daniel Pipes org made any financial contribution to make this movie, if any including indirectly.

I hate it when some TV station re shows "the life of Brian",a movie which is far from complimentary of Christ.It's a flagrant Micky take and Christians have reason to be aggrieved!There are other films in this genre which annoy and cause hurt to many.
Murders and storming of embassies around the world to date:NIL.

@danny

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Troll harder!.

FOX guest just said the film was "reprehensible."

Translation: The treatment for of religious minorities living in Muslim majority lands is reprehesible, along with Mohammad's life.

Remember kids, don't feed the trolls, don't feed ignoramus dolts with psychological projection like @danny.

If you shout "fire" in a theater crowded with muslims they'll all stand up and empty their Kalashnikov clips...

A Thought Experiment: How long before Salvador Dali’s “blasphemous” caricature of Mohammed burning in hell is expunged from UPenn art history classes? How about Auguste Rodin? or Gustave Dore?

Each of these artists caricatured Mohammed roasting in Hell— as related in Dante’s trilogy “The Divine Comedy” [Inferno XXVIII, 19-42].

The same forces that repeatedly plot to destroy the fresco of Dante’s Inferno in Bologna’s Church of San Petronio remain at work today.

And if Western media remain unwilling to fight this battle, what’s to stop the global Taliban from silencing any and every expression Muslims deem “offensive”? Archived depictions of Mohammed serve as a poignant reminder that such imagery has been part of Western AND ISLAMIC culture since the Middle Ages-- and serve as a resource for those interested in defending free expression.

The Univ. of PA professor calls for arrest and our country's law enforcement enables it:

US law enforcement: Nakoula is filmmaker of anti-Muslim movie blamed for violence http://tinyurl.com/92jdbgj

Insanity. Treason.

So ... I guess everyone driving a car with one of those Christian fish stickers containing the word "Darwin" and having little feet should be in jail, too. After all, they're "denigrating religious beliefs," aren't they?

An over-educated damn fool:

http://www.sas.upenn.edu/religious_studies/faculty/butler

Bacile's big mistake?

He didn't request a grant from the NEA first.

Free expression clerics will NEVER forgive that heresy.

This is not fringe stuff.

This is now the mainstream liberal position.

When they mean cowardice and political correctness demand it, they will argue national security demands we prosecute this guy and the Koran-burning pastor of not too long ago.

And if they get their way probably what will be most satisfying to them is that they will be able to prosecute Geert Wilders on his next visit.

And Robert Spencer or Pamela Geller any time at all.

The liberals have moved from being a mere chronic disappointment for free speech advocates - except when the speech was insulting to Christians - to being actual enemies of free speech.

What is scary is the thought that a fairly large swath of the American people would be happy to criminalize and prosecute many forms of "hate speech," conservative Christians included, just to strike out at people who use "art" like Piss Christ to pretty much just to offend them.

Up to now, the desire to protect crap like Piss Christ and the many ways in which the culture mocks and derides Christianity has stopped liberals from supporting anything like new blasphemy laws.

That might have changed.

Expect them to do their best to work it so that it is criminal to attack or deride Islam but not at all to do so to Christianity or any other religion.

After all, there is no "national security" argument to be made for prosecuting attacks on Christianity.

Right?

"Words have consequences."

Indeed they do. But the dhimmi liberals never say that the words in the koran, saying "slay the infidel" have consequences. Those are direct injunctions from an infallible warlord. The dhimmis never want to accept that those words have consequences. Even when those words consequences have been played out thousands and thousands of times in the history of islam. Somehow, those words don't have consequences.

Yet words which have unintended consequences are those they harp on about.

All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. Those words have consequences too.

LOL - so true, George!

@Philo

"they will argue national security demands we prosecute this guy... "---

And these are the same dolts who bitched about the Patriot Act and other laws that passed during the Bush era. Oh the buffoonery!.

Breaking News:

ANGRY AMERICANS CALL FOR ARREST OF UPA PROFESSOR

Film at 11...

What?! This professor should be calling for the arrest of these terrorist murderers first and foremost; and secondly, here in America we have freedom of speech, so he needs to move to the ME and stat.

A few thoughts regarding the film about muhammad ...

This man muhammad deserves to be mocked--especially since muhammad mocked the TRUTH with his outrageous lies, and he mocked humanity with his evil lifestyle: lying, steeling, rape, pedophilia, adultery and murder; and he even mocks basic common sense. This evil man mocks everything that is true and good.

Lastly, muhammad was a mockery to God's TRUE prophets; muhammad was not a true prophet, that's for sure. No Way!

Okay maybe the PROPHET OF DOOM ...a false prophet at the very least.

ludicrous and historically inaccurate scenes...

I, nabi ZK (pbum), agree! This video was a distortion of the historical facts. For example the showed the companions killing Kinana of Khaybar by stabling him in the back, when in fact they burned him nearly to death and then cut his head off! Let's keep it real people.

nabi ZK (pbum)

"Let's keep it real people."

LOL.. Great commentary... very funny. And I agree, they should have depicted the scenario as it really happened.

We should be producing an anti-Islam movie on a daily basis. We need to saturate the world with all forms of anti-Islam works; be it movies, music, books--anything and everything!

The worst thing in life is to be Muslim, and that point needs to be made convincingly.

Islam: where freedom ends and slavery begins.

Jail Bacile and Terry Jones ! Free Pussy Riot !

One wonders if it was any other religIon whose followers committed the same misdeeds, what these PC dhimmis would say. I suspect they'd be outraged at their heinous acts and then loudly proclaim the need for these religous people to grow up and learn how to react peacefully to criticism of their beliefs.

Only Islam gets the free pass on violence and mob justice in this regard. And even when they instigate the situation (recall the recent riots in Myanmar) the MSM was all too quick to hold Muslims as the poor, blameless victims.


The federal government hunting the film maker out is the same as if it had served Charlie Chaplin up to Hitler for making The Great Dictator.

When "something happens" to the artist who made this factual film on Muhammad(not that it needs to be factual under freedom of speech, but it is), left exposed and unprotected by a federal government that fully knew the danger he would be in when it decided to hunt him down and release his name, someone in government better be held accountable, if not Obama himself.

He is a hero to the Copt people who more than nearly any people in the world, are under seige by radical Muslims, while "moderate Muslims" just stand by.

Our government is increasingly sick, evil and corrupt. Shame on these federal cowards!!!

So Anthea Butler wants to flirt coyly with restrictions on free speech, does she? Wants to preen herself on how tolerant she can be of the Other, even in cases where the other is a marauding theocratic murderer? I'm sure she'd fit right in to the censored state of affairs in Egypt. She should go there and stay there. What a twit. It's amazing how little a doctorate often means.

"One can not scream "FIRE" "FIRE" inside a packed movie house, knowing full well there is no fire"
Quite so, but there is a very real problem with Islam (in this case there IS a fire) and that needs to be shouted from the rooftops, not just in movie theaters.
On yer camel Danny Boy!

Telling the truth about Islam is the worst one can say about it, so 'lie or keep your mouth shut' is how political correctness turns into islamic correctness http://bit.ly/UQ1tWb

Daniel, you've been told several times on the USA Today site that your yelling fire in a crowded theater is a false and weak analogy and why it is.

It is STILL a false and weak analogy here at JW. I suggest you sit down and really think hard about why it is a false analogy.

Until then you should keep silent less you make yourself look even more the illogical fool that you've demonstrated yourself to be.

Anthea Butler will be arrested, tonight, when she least expects it, by the dark forces that, as an imBacile, she incanted to rise, and then she is to be deported to Pakistan, for an indefintie stay, then to Egypt, to finish her education in free speech and freedom.....no doubt.

What a worthless example of a failed so called perfesser, so failed a woman, in America, yet.....a disgust!

My tweets reflected my exasperation that as a religion professor...

pompous twit

...it is difficult to teach the facts when movies such as Bacile's Innocence of Muslims are taken as both truth and propaganda, and used against innocent Americans.

In other words, "it's hard to teach when a lot of people disagree with my taken-for-granted biases on these issues"

Actually, it's hard to teach for those who are not really teachers, but hothouse plants unaccustomed to dissent.

The slippery slope to the degeneration of our freedom of speech is becoming slipperier. And steeper. What is occuring now throughout the middle east in savage and evil reaction to the film in question, beginning with the libya American embassy murders (carefully planned, likely with a nod from the muslim in residence in the white house) and rapidly escalating (all carefully planned in a drive toward the ultimate destruction of the west); with obama's new muslim buddy/brother, morsi stating that the "Prophet is untouchable red line" and "asks Obama to 'take dissuasive measures,'" (that would be the criminalization of criticism of the prophet and islam); with the likes of Anthea Butler (etal., e.g., Time magazine's Joe Kline), a University of Pennsylvania professor calling for the arrest of the film makers in question; and with numerous US news outlets condemning any and all criticisms of same. The list goes on. The scenario I envision now quickly evolving scares me. If obama gets another four years as America's muslim despot, the black bottom to which that slippery slope leads is all but assured. I'm actually feeling a little sick right at this moment.

I will NOT SUBMIT to Islam. No government or anyone else can make me do so.

She is so failed, she ought to be fired on the spot, damn the so called tenure, no excuse to be a treasonous fool....

"Anthea Butler demand to bring this low life so-called film producer to justice is 100% correct. This is no longer a subject of first amendment right".

News flash danny - This isn't the Soviet Union ( yet ).

"One can not scream "FIRE" "FIRE" inside a packed movie house, knowing full well there is no fire and people can get killed from spreading panic in stampede. Than claim protection under freedom of speech and or first amendment".

So, making fun of Muhammad is the same thing as screaming " FIRE FIRE ", in a crowded movie theater ? Have you lost your mind ?

"Man who made this movie from funds of $5 million from 100 Jews (as he himself told this to WSJ)need to be investigated in depth. I like to see how much money traditional Islamophobia or hate spreading organizations, such as Jihad Watch, Pamela Heller, Gert Wilders and Daniel Pipes org made any financial contribution to make this movie, if any including indirectly".

Is it illegal for someone to finance a movie that you don't like now ? Is that a " crime ", in your little Stalinist world ?

My feelings were " hurt ", when I saw an image of the Virgin Mary covered with dung. They were also " hurt ", when I saw the tax payer subsidized monstrosity called " Piss Christ ".

Your fellow ideologues said nothing about that, other then to argue that it's " art ", and " freedom of expression ".

Why not, danny ? Is it because Christians don't riot and murder over things like that ?

You are the personification of a hypocritical coward, and I'm sure that Anthea Butler would love having you in one of her reeducation classes.

Just be careful about taking any art courses. You might create something that someone will say is offensive, and is the equivalent of yelling " FIRE FIRE ", in a crowded movie theater...


Watching tv news right now (CNN), and reading a growing flood of reports and opinions online regarding the film "mocking" the prophet and islam, I cannot help but feel terribly anxious. What is occurring in the middle east, and with the unbelievably pandering and cowering behavior of our leaders and columnists, those americans leading us like lemurs toward the precipice, is looking like it could be a game changer, much to the delight of the OIC and its UN lackeys -the biggest being the minions muslim in residence at the white house, and hillary. Watch your tongue. Dare not be negative of the religion of peace.

Butler is pathetic (never mind her being deeply ignorant of the American Constitution) and helps prove that there's no fool like an academic fool. I have served in academia now for over thirty years and almost all of the most foolish persons I have ever met in my life come from the academic world.

I wonder if the authors of the Declaration of Independence were alive, would she want them jailed? After all their words "had consequences" too.

Excellent point, MP.

I had not thought of that.

University of Pennsylvania prof calls for arrest of Muhammad filmmaker
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And, disgustingly, the Huffington Post has named the real "Sam Bacile" (this is a pseudonym). This is *vile*, given the danger this man is in.

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First Amendment Death Watch Update: USA Today joins the Los Angeles Times, the Washington Post, and others in calling for restrictions on the freedom of speech. They either don't realize or don't care that they're cutting their own throat.
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And this is not just a figure of speech here. Enabling Shari'ah and Jihad often leads *quite literally* to the cutting of Infidel throats.

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"Opposing view: Why Sam Bacile deserves arrest," by Anthea Butler in USA Today, September 12
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My god—this is unbelievably ugly. It is also suicidal madness.

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Words have consequences. I know that because one of my tweets asking "when Sam Bacile would be arrested" drew wide attention on Wednesday.
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Words *do* have consequences. And calling for the imposition of Shari'ah because of Muslim violence has the worst possible consequences.

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My initial tweet about Bacile, the person said to be responsible for the film mocking the prophet Mohammed, was not because I am against the First Amendment. My tweets reflected my exasperation that as a religion professor, it is difficult to teach the facts when movies such as Bacile's Innocence of Muslims are taken as both truth and propaganda, and used against innocent Americans.
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WTF? Are you only for free speech if it completely aligns with your bromides? She says she is not "against the First amendment", but this is the very definition of such.

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So why did I tweet that Bacile should be in jail? The "free speech" in Bacile's film is not about expressing a personal opinion about Islam. It denigrates the religion by depicting the faith's founder in several ludicrous and historically inaccurate scenes to incite and inflame viewers.
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This would be of no consequence even were it accurate. There are bowdlerized films made of historic figures all the time. Hollywood has made a habit of this, inserting imagined scenes, omitting important actions, and skewing the whole to form a certain "narrative".

This has resulted in some fine films, some utter dreck, and some bald-faced propaganda—sometimes all at once. For example, I can respect and even enjoy aspects of a film such as Battleship Potempkin, while at the same time recognizing it as an over-the-top piece of Soviet propaganda at the same time.

But, as well, there is little in "The Innocence of Muslims" that does not have a historic basis. It is framed with a Jihad pogrom against Christians, a scene of Muslim police arresting Christians and framing them for Muslim violence; in the flashback to the "Prophet's" story, it covers Muhammed's caravan raiding and slaving; forced conversion; antisemitism; Jizya and dhimmitude; the pedophilic rape of little Aisha (alluded to, not shown); the ban on adoption in Islam due to Muhammed's voiding his adoption of Zeyd so that he could marry his son's wife, Zainab; Muhammed's rape of his wife Hafsa's Christian slave Maria; and the murder of Muhammed's critics, in this case the terrible killing of Umm Qirfa by drawing and quartering by camel.

The only thing I saw that was not strictly historically accurate still has a strong Islamic link: at one point, Muhammed says, "the Qur'an is our constitution". There were no constitutions in the modern sense in the seventh century, and would not be for eleven hundred years. However, this is a Muslim Brotherhood trope, and is used frequently by pious Muslims all over the world today.

This is *not* a well-produced film—it is clunky and appears to have been filmed against a green screen in many scenes. (Couldn't they have filmed out in the desert east of L.A.? It's just a two-hour drive...)

But saying it is poorly made is *not* the same as saying the scenes are inaccurate.

Muslims just hate the fact that a) Muhammed is depicted and b) that his actions are criticized.

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Even the film's actors say they were duped.
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So they claim. Is this true? Hard to believe they had no clue this was about the "Prophet". More likely, they have sen the murder of four Americans on this pretext, and violent Muslim mobs rioting and burning in Egypt, Libya, Sudan, Yemen, and even Israel.

It is understandable that they want to distance themselves from this project out of sheer terror. Still, their throwing their director under the bus is pretty disgusting.

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Bacile's movie is not the first to denigrate a religious figure, nor will it be the last. The Last Temptation of Christ was protested vigorously. The difference is that Bacile indirectly and inadvertently inflamed people half a world away, resulting in the deaths of U.S. Embassy personnel.

No one was murdered over The Last Temptation of Christ. And the difference was that in this case the "people half a world away" are Muslims, with a tradition of reacting with violent rage to perceived insults.
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So true.

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Bacile's movie does not excuse the rioting in Libya and Egypt, or the murder of Americans. That is deplorable. Unfortunately, people like Bacile and Terry Jones, the Florida pastor who provoked international controversy by burning copies of the Quran, have a tremendous impact on religious tolerance and U.S. foreign policy.
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What crap. It is just that any criticism of Islam leads to Muslim hordes out for blood. If the West caves to this, betrays her values, and actually prosecutes people for this "Blasphemy", we will see much more of this, because pious Muslims will learn that their bloody savagery *works*.

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Case in point: Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called Jones on Wednesday to ask him to stop promoting Bacile's film. Clearly, the military considers the film a serious threat to national security. If the military takes it seriously, there should be consequences for putting American lives at risk.
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Dempsey is betraying our most deeply held values. What does he think the American military is supposed to be protecting, if not the First Amendment and the rights of Americans? The "feelings" of Muslim thugs?

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And apparently, neither do University of Pennsylvania professors. She is saying that Muslims do not have to respect the freedom speech, but non-Muslims have to respect Islamic blasphemy law.
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That's *exactly* what they are saying.

Anthea Butler's words should join Neville Chamberlain's "Peace in our Time" as a betrayal of the West. Repulsive.

How do people like this get jobs as tenured professors in universities? God help us.

So, Danny, you're telling me that Muslim people are constitutionally incapable of developing a sense of proportion about this kind of issue? Any criticism of Muhammad will have the effect of shouting "FIRE!" in a crowded theater in the Muslim street? Thus, it sounds to me as if you're saying that those Hui and Uighur people who showed me kind and hospitable treatment in China, the Phak Neua of Thailand, and Taiwan belong to a constitutionally inferior breed of person simply because they profess Islam.

I heard a snatch of radio conversation in which the former foreign minister of Jordan--doubtlessly a Muslim--noted in a rather regretful tone of voice that few people in the Middle East understand America's First Amendment; and hence impute US government involvement to anything printed or produced in the USA (just as most Arab states have government-controlled media).

Hence, I think you're wrong. Muslim people can develop a sense of proportion. And, for the good of the world, I think they should.

As a Christian, I feel insulted most of the time I turn on Comedy Central or crack major media when they cover a topic related to my religion. But I'm not about to burn down something or kill someone. I know that I can point out that a so-called atheist is just an idolator who won't name his idol. I can note that maybe these oversexed beasts of the casting couch in Hollywood probably still feel stung when they see there are still people who don't share their lack of morals. Maybe you need a religion that tells you to leave room for the vengeance of God rather than taking it yourself.

"danny" wrote:

Anthea Butler demand to bring this low life so-called film producer to justice is 100% correct. This is no longer a subject of first amendment right.
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Why? Because barbaric Muslim mobs have murdered over it? What if Muslim mobs next decide to riot over unveiled women, the prosecution of Jihadists or "Honor Killers", and demand the full imposition of Shari'ah law? All of these examples have ample Islamic precedence. Do we cave over these issues, too?

Why or why not?

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One can not scream "FIRE" "FIRE" inside a packed movie house, knowing full well there is no fire and people can get killed from spreading panic in stampede. Than claim protection under freedom of speech and or first amendment.
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The proper simile here is pointing out that violent Muslims are, so to speak, *setting the theater on fire*, but it is upsetting for the patrons to hear this, so there are hysterical efforts to silence the people sounding the alarm.

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Man who made this movie from funds of $5 million from 100 Jews (as he himself told this to WSJ)need to be investigated in depth. I like to see how much money traditional Islamophobia or hate spreading organizations, such as Jihad Watch, Pamela Heller, Gert Wilders and Daniel Pipes org made any financial contribution to make this movie, if any including indirectly.
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Why? There was nothing illegal about this movie, and only a few niggling details that were inaccurate.

You are positing that no one may criticize the "Prophet" Muhammed. You are either Muslim yourself, or else a cringing dhimmi. Disgusting either way.

Here' son of my own contributions, where I criticize the "Prophet's" rape of little nine-year-old Aisha.

Do you want me prosecuted for "Blasphemy" as well. I'm sure you do...

http://s478.photobucket.com/albums/rr144/gravenimageartist/?action=view¤t=AishasWedding-1.jpg

Monty Python must die!

They lampooned Christ!

Right Prof?

And the South Park authors of the satirical musical "The Book of Mormon".

Death to the mockers of religion!

In considering the proper response to this recent Middle East violence, I wish to point out that the movie which the Muslims are protesting is itself a protest. But rather than a protest against the supposed improper use of words and images, it is a protest against vicious persecution to which the Egyptian Christians have been subjected. Let's just look at the various parts of the equation.

1 What did the Muslims do to the Christians to provoke the production of this movie? Answer--1) destroyed churches 2) prohibited free practice of religion 3) prohibited free religious speech 4) demeaned Christianity as well as other non-Islamic religions 5) attacked and brutally killed numerous Christians.

2 What has been the Christian response? Answer---Generally the response has been to "turn the other cheek", lay low, try to avoid conflict. There has been some violent pushback but nothing even close to that which they have been subjected. Now, a handful of Christians have added a new element. They have made a movie which combines a protest of the inhumane treatment they have suffered together with a loosely factual (and not well done, in my opinion) video parody of Mohammed.

3 What has been the Muslim response to the most recent Christian response, i.e. the movie? Answer: Massive violence directed against many American diplomatic missions throughout the Arab world, despite the fact that the United States per se had not the slightest thing to do with the video. Possibly the killing of our ambassador was also part of the reaction, though this attack seems to have been planned independently months in advance in "honor" of the even more evil and vicious Muslim brutality of 9/11/01.

4 What has been the American response to these Muslim attacks? Answer: a) condemn the video b) condemn the Muslims attacks on our diplomatic missions, both the essentially unrelated killings in Libya and the other attacks.

Though the American (verbal) response seems a bit weak to some observers, it may well be appropriate given the need for measured diplomacy and keeping the peace. But now that we have made our initial statements, I believe that we should add an additional element. And in considering the next step, I will bring in the interesting statement recently made by President Obama that he considered Egypt neither an ally nor an enemy. Tell the Egyptians in no uncertain terms that we will not ally ourselves with regimes that deprive their own citizens religious freedoms. Tell them "hands off the Christians." Learn to except Christians, Jews, Hindus, and all other religions or we will never be your allies and we may well become your enemies.

I believe we should avoid allying ourselves with any regime that sponsors or attempts to spread a totalitarian ideology regardless of whether that ideology is communism, fascism, naziism, or Islamism. God must surely know that we are mighty tired of fighting, but we must be as ready to fight Islamism as we were ready during the cold war to fight Communism. And Egypt and the rest of the Muslim world should know it.

In considering the proper response to this recent Middle East violence, I wish to point out that the movie which the Muslims are protesting is itself a protest. But rather than a protest against the supposed improper use of words and images, it is a protest against vicious persecution to which the Egyptian Christians have been subjected. Let's just look at the various parts of the equation.

1 What did the Muslims do to the Christians to provoke the production of this movie? Answer--1) destroyed churches 2) prohibited free practice of religion 3) prohibited free religious speech 4) demeaned Christianity as well as other non-Islamic religions 5) attacked and brutally killed numerous Christians.

2 What has been the Christian response? Answer---Generally the response has been to "turn the other cheek", lay low, try to avoid conflict. There has been some violent pushback but nothing even close to that which they have been subjected. Now, a handful of Christians have added a new element. They have made a movie which combines a protest of the inhumane treatment they have suffered together with a loosely factual (and not well done, in my opinion) video parody of Mohammed.

3 What has been the Muslim response to the most recent Christian response, i.e. the movie? Answer: Massive violence directed against many American diplomatic missions throughout the Arab world, despite the fact that the United States per se had not the slightest thing to do with the video. Possibly the killing of our ambassador was also part of the reaction, though this attack seems to have been planned independently months in advance in "honor" of the even more evil and vicious Muslim brutality of 9/11/01.

4 What has been the American response to these Muslim attacks? Answer: a) condemn the video b) condemn the Muslims attacks on our diplomatic missions, both the essentially unrelated killings in Libya and the other attacks.

Though the American (verbal) response seems a bit weak to some observers, it may well be appropriate given the need for measured diplomacy and keeping the peace. But now that we have made our initial statements, I believe that we should add an additional element. And in considering the next step, I will bring in the interesting statement recently made by President Obama that he considered Egypt neither an ally nor an enemy. Tell the Egyptians in no uncertain terms that we will not ally ourselves with regimes that deprive their own citizens religious freedoms. Tell them "hands off the Christians." Learn to except Christians, Jews, Hindus, and all other religions or we will never be your allies and we may well become your enemies.

I believe we should avoid allying ourselves with any regime that sponsors or attempts to spread a totalitarian ideology regardless of whether that ideology is communism, fascism, naziism, or Islamism. God must surely know that we are mighty tired of fighting, but we must be as ready to fight Islamism as we were ready during the cold war to fight Communism. And Egypt and the rest of the Muslim world should know it.

They call for his arrest and dutifully the state obliges:

"Police visit Nakoula Bassely Nakoula over 'film link'"

Dutifully US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton described the video as "reprehensible".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19591039

They call for his arrest and dutifully the state obliges:

"Police visit Nakoula Bassely Nakoula over 'film link'"

Dutifully US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton described the video as "reprehensible".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19591039

Words have consequences. I know that because one of my tweets asking "when Anthea Butler would be arrested" drew wide attention recently.
My initial tweet about Butler, the person said to be responsible for statements mocking the First Amendment, was not because I am against the First Amendment (or for the First Amendment, as the case may be). My tweets reflected my exasperation that as a college professor, it is difficult to teach when other professors attempt to restrict free discussion.
If there is anyone who values free speech and also understands its possible negative consequences, it is I who have been offending people with my words all my life.
So why did I tweet that Butler should be in jail? The "free speech" in Butler’s diatribe is not about expressing a personal opinion on the First Amendment. It denigrates the First Amendment by prejudging the results of free and open debate by attempting to declare what is true and what is false in advance and blocking the debate altogether. Even many of Butler’s students say they were duped.
Butler is not the first to denigrate the First Amendment, nor will she be the last. Extremists on both the Left and the Right as well as many religious extremists have also done so for generations. The difference is that Butler’s words inflame patriotic Americans everywhere and many of them are so angry that they are likely to stage violent protests in which many people will be injured or even killed.
Butler's statements do not excuse rioting or murder in order to defend the First Amendment. That would be deplorable. Unfortunately, people like Butler have a tremendous impact on American freedoms.
Case in point: Many Americans have now called on Professor Butler to stop attacking our freedom of expression. Clearly, many honest, patriotic, and caring Americans consider her words a serious threat to freedom of speech. If so many Americans consider her words to be threatening, there should be consequences to threatening our rights.
While the First Amendment right to free expression is important, it is also important to remember that Professor Butler does not have to understand or respect our right...thus, neither does anyone else.
For all these reasons, I demand that Professor Anthea Butler be arrested immediately and charged with ….something or other.

The two students comments and Anthea Butler:

1. "its an embarassment to the RS department that this loudmouth idiot with crazy Don King hair is the head chair. Worst Professor ive ever known or heard of. her opinions are poorly substantiated and academically unsound to say the least mostly due to her afrocentric presuppositional bias which makes her narrow-minded.Avoid her at all cost!

2. She is an awful teacher who thinks that she knows everything when half of the time she is making mistakes in the names of the things she is trying to teach! I'm a student and even I can see her mistakes! She takes herself way too seriously, and her TAs are awful! Her and her TAs are very harsh graders, beware!

In short she should be sacked - has no business to be teaching, a third rate teacher and ignoramus

The two students comments and Anthea Butler:

1. "its an embarassment to the RS department that this loudmouth idiot with crazy Don King hair is the head chair. Worst Professor ive ever known or heard of. her opinions are poorly substantiated and academically unsound to say the least mostly due to her afrocentric presuppositional bias which makes her narrow-minded.Avoid her at all cost!

2. She is an awful teacher who thinks that she knows everything when half of the time she is making mistakes in the names of the things she is trying to teach! I'm a student and even I can see her mistakes! She takes herself way too seriously, and her TAs are awful! Her and her TAs are very harsh graders, beware!

In short she should be sacked - has no business to be teaching, a third rate teacher and ignoramus

"Butler’s words inflame patriotic Americans everywhere and many of them are so angry that they are likely to stage violent protests in which many people will be injured or even killed."

Laugh out loud. Nice try.

I'm beginning to suspect that this film was made by the Muslims as an excuse. Its just too convenient - made by an "Israeli American" Sam Bacile, who nobody can trace - instigated by Coptic Christians.

I think that we will find that this is like the extra 2fake cartoons", created by muslims to "excuse" their murderous violence

Jeez if muhammad had been arrested for his criminal behavior then we wouldn't be having this discussion. I tell you we live in a world gone mad.

The only way to truly "abuse" the freedom of expression is to utilize that freedom to publicly call for its restriction by the state. This woman is a traitor and a hypocrite.

READ "THE PROFESSORS" BY DAVID HOROWITZ AND "IVORY TOWERS ON SAND"

ALSO ANDREW G. BOSTOM'S TWO "LEGACY" BOOKS.

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I think this year we need to hold the Jihadwatch Dhimmi and Anti-Dhimmi Awards, which we didn't do last year.

For Anti-Dhimmi, I think Mr Spencer might ask Sergio Redegalli, Italo-Australian glass artist and counter-jihadist, to donate two suitable trophies, small but tasteful - maybe an etched glass plaque - so that the Anti-Dhimmi National (within America) and International (from outside of America) may be given a *real* prize to honour their courage. (I would nominate Stephen Harper for Anti-Dhimmi International, if he continues as he has begun). And maybe Gravenimage or Bosch Fawstin could create portraits of the non-dhimmi winners. (A thought - it would be wonderful if someone could create a portrait of Bat Yeor

But we also need, perhaps, a different prize: the Asma Bint Marwan and Theo Van Gogh Prize, given to honour the creative artist (whether in poetry/ fiction, visual arts, plastic arts, film, or other medium) who has most effectively and courageously challenged/ criticised Islam/ Muslims/ Mohammed. Mr Redegalli himself would be one suitable nominee.

And although as others have remarked, this film about Mohammed is an excruciatingly BAAAAD movie in terms of its acting, direction, script, visual editing, etc (though all the women in the clip that I saw, were **very** easy on the eyes; so it makes up a few points on the Babe-o-meter), indeed, it is so bad that it really belongs on that special shelf in the A/V library, next to things like 'Attack of the Killer Tomatoes', if it turns out that it is NOT a Mohammedan false flag op but, rather, a sincere if very clunky attempt at a critique of Islam, then it should at least be nominated for *trying*.

When is this professor (and other left wing airheads) going to ask for the arrest of those perpetuating Anti-Semitic slander, films and articles? You never hear them complain about the vile hate films that eminate from the Middle East.

LemonLime wrote, replying to "Sister Neurotica":

"Butler’s words inflame patriotic Americans everywhere and many of them are so angry that they are likely to stage violent protests in which many people will be injured or even killed."

Laugh out loud. Nice try.
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Excellent riposte, LemonLime!

"Sister Neurotica" is a somewhat more sophisticated troll than most, in that her initial analysis is actually fairly rational re "The Innocence of Muslims" film and the Muslim reaction to it. This just lures the reader into a false sense of security early on, though, so she can spring the above vicious idiocy on us.

Pretending that Jihad Watch readers would agree with her supposed "...demand that Professor Anthea Butler be arrested immediately and charged with ….something or other" is just grimly laughable.

And her claim that supporters of free speech in America are about to start violently rioting and murdering people is just grotesque calumny.

This is the usual moral equivalence, where enablers of Jihad can pretend that supporters of freedom are just the same as pious Muslims, calling for imprisonment and butchering their enemies in the street.

As you say, "Nice try".

Dumbledore's Army wrote:

I think this year we need to hold the Jihadwatch Dhimmi and Anti-Dhimmi Awards, which we didn't do last year.
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Agreed, DDA. I know I sorely missed it this year—I had hoped especially that Christopher Hitchens could have won the American Anti-Dhimmi Award posthumously.

More:

For Anti-Dhimmi, I think Mr Spencer might ask Sergio Redegalli, Italo-Australian glass artist and counter-jihadist, to donate two suitable trophies, small but tasteful - maybe an etched glass plaque - so that the Anti-Dhimmi National (within America) and International (from outside of America) may be given a *real* prize to honour their courage. (I would nominate Stephen Harper for Anti-Dhimmi International, if he continues as he has begun). And maybe Gravenimage or Bosch Fawstin could create portraits of the non-dhimmi winners. (A thought - it would be wonderful if someone could create a portrait of Bat Yeor
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I had actually planned to do a tongue-in-cheek "you are there" drawing of the "awards ceremony", rather like those mid-twentieth-century journalistic dispatch sketches.

I'll make some suggestions.

Actually, I did not imagine that anybody would believe that Jihad Watch readers or anyone else would agree with my "...demand that Professor Anthea Butler be arrested immediately and charged with ….something or other." And I did not believe that anybody would think that I expected people to think that Jihad Watch readers would agree with it. By copying Butler's statement verbatim and replacing disrespect of Mohammed with her distrespect of the First Amendment and replacing her pretext of Islamic violence with the pretext of American anger, I intended to show that her reasoning could justify arresting people for anything that upsets anybody.

I see that I didn't write it as well as I intended. Because I apparently upset some people, I am turning myself in to the FBI. I'll probably be in prison for a long time so you won't have to worry about me commenting for years.

Sister Neurotica wrote:

Actually, I did not imagine that anybody would believe that Jihad Watch readers or anyone else would agree with my "...demand that Professor Anthea Butler be arrested immediately and charged with ….something or other." And I did not believe that anybody would think that I expected people to think that Jihad Watch readers would agree with it. By copying Butler's statement verbatim and replacing disrespect of Mohammed with her distrespect of the First Amendment and replacing her pretext of Islamic violence with the pretext of American anger, I intended to show that her reasoning could justify arresting people for anything that upsets anybody.
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Well, that certainly explains why I was so impressed with your analysis in the first part of your post, Sister Neurotica.

Sometimes it can be difficult to discern the tone of a post—especially if it is ironic.

When I was first posting here years ago, I wrote a scathing comment about the idiocy of suicide bombers who prematurely blew themselves up in "work accidents". I ended the post with something like "don't you just love Jihadists?".

Despite the content of the rest of my post, someone assumed that I quite literally *did* love Jihadists, and castigated me roundly for it. Note, this was a respected poster, who was usually a close reader.

May I suggest that you consider using the "sarc" tag on these passages? I know this can be clunky, but it beats being misunderstood.

More:

I see that I didn't write it as well as I intended. Because I apparently upset some people, I am turning myself in to the FBI. I'll probably be in prison for a long time so you won't have to worry about me commenting for years.
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Believe me, *no one* here wants to shut down your freedom of speech.

Sorry for misinterpreting your comments. You seem like a good analyst and a solid Anti-Jihadist, and I hope to read many more of your comments here.

As a postscript, I should note that one really does find agent provocateurs here, making ugly comments that they hope readers will mistakenly take as representative of the views of Anti-Jihadists.

This was the context in which your comments were read, Sister Neurotica.

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