Your tax dollars at work: U.S. to forgive $1 billion in debt to aid Muslim Brotherhood regime in Egypt

You'd think that the experience of Afghanistan and Iraq and so many other places would have shown the learned analysts in Washington that money can't buy loyalty when it comes to Islamic supremacists, but they appear to be impervious to evidence.

"U.S. Prepares Economic Aid to Bolster Democracy in Egypt," by Steven Lee Myers in the New York Times, September 3 (thanks to all who sent this in):

WASHINGTON — Nearly 16 months after first pledging to help Egypt’s failing economy, the Obama administration is nearing an agreement with the country’s new government to relieve $1 billion of its debt as part of an American and international assistance package intended to bolster its transition to democracy, administration officials said.

The administration’s efforts, delayed by Egypt’s political turmoil and by wariness in Washington about new leaders emerging from its first free elections, gained new urgency in recent weeks, even as the United States risks losing influence and investment opportunities to countries like China, which President Mohamed Morsi chose for his first official visit outside of the Middle East.

In addition to the debt assistance, the administration has thrown its support behind a $4.8 billion loan being negotiated between Egypt and the International Monetary Fund. Last week, it dispatched the first of two delegations to work out details of the proposed debt assistance, as well as $375 million in financing and loan guarantees for American financiers who invest in Egypt and a $60 million investment fund for Egyptian businesses.

The assistance underscores the importance of shoring up Egypt at a time of turmoil and change across the Middle East, from the relatively peaceful uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia to the still-unfinished transition in Libya, and from the showdown over Iran’s nuclear program to the war in Syria. Given Egypt’s influence in the Arab world, the officials said, its economic recovery and political stability could have a profound influence on other nations in transition and ease wariness in Israel about the tumultuous political changes under way.

The administration’s revived push came after Mr. Morsi won the presidency in June and overcame a constitutional showdown with the country’s military rulers. Mr. Morsi and his party, the Muslim Brotherhood, have since made it clear that the struggling economy is their most urgent priority, brushing aside reservations about American and international assistance and outright opposition to it from other Islamic factions.

In fact, American officials say they have been surprised by how open Mr. Morsi and his advisers have been to economic reforms, with a sharp focus on creating jobs.

“They sound like Republicans half the time,” one administration official said, referring to leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood, the Islamic movement turned political party that was long barred from office under the former president, Hosni Mubarak, a close American ally.

Hoping to capitalize on what they see as a ripening investment climate, the State Department and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce will take executives from nearly 50 American companies like Caterpillar and Xerox to Cairo beginning Saturday as part of one of the largest trade delegations ever organized. The officials and executives will urge the government to make changes in taxation, bankruptcy and labor laws to improve the investment climate.

“It’s important for the U.S. to give Egypt a reason to look to the West, as well as the East,” said Lionel Johnson, the chamber’s vice president for the Middle East and North Africa....

This won't do that.

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The US is somewhat late. "Transition to democracy"? Been there, done that; Egypt has moved on to something else.

Get our money back! I see no need to pay our enemies.

but they appear to be impervious to evidence,

*****

When it's done so often and where Islam benefits at the expense of Americans, you might begin to see this as part of a purposeful strategy,

Let them burden the Chinese for the next 50 years.

So why didn't we tie the debt relief to some goal that their country could actually use?

You know, like women's rights?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19440656

I don't think the people who forgave that debt understand what they just sanctioned.

This is our tax dollars right? I don't want to give money to my sworn enemies. Is this asking for too much? This is incredible.

"assistance package intended to bolster its transition to democracy"
Good luck with that!.

That's on top of the $5.7 million in ransom money we paid Egypt for Sam Lahood the 18 other US hostages (only 7 of which were actually detained in there).

Pure theater of the absurd.

It's also as if the US was so rich, had so much money to dole out ... as if the US was rolling in petro dollars. Excuse me, did I miss something?

Not OT: Today is the 8th anniversary of the Beslan School massacre.

Never forget.

Always be prepared to meet the enemy and defeat him.

http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2012/09/oops.html

It's getting to where I feel like an islamic collaborator by just paying my taxes. I don't recall signing up to pay our enemies billions of dollars. This makes me sick. Barack and Hilary make me sick...

So it is the anniversary of the attack on the parents and children and teachers - all non-Muslim, many of them devoutly Orthodox Christian - at Beslan in the Russian Federation?

Here is what I found to be the most detailed, interesting, harrowing - and at the same time, in terms of the sheer courage and inventiveness shown by some of the hostages, deeply moving - accounts of that terrible Jihad Terror Raid.

The link was still working less than a year ago when I shared it with then-regular commenter, Canadian 'Peter Shearer' (where are you, Peter? Haven't seen you for awhile? Are you OK? Or just busy?)


http://www.esquire.com/features/ESQ0606BESLAN_140


March 14, 2007, 9:31 PM
The School

"On the first day of school in 2004, a Chechen terrorist group struck the Russian town of Beslan. Targeting children, they took more than eleven hundred hostages. The attack represented a horrifying innovation in human brutality. Here, an extraordinary accounting of the experience of terror in the age of terrorism.
By C.J. Chivers...".

I have a complete copy of the entire text, stored on my computer hard disk at home, just in case the link to the original ever breaks. I should probably print it out on paper and put it in a manila folder and keep it with my 'Islam-related' book collection. It's that good.

By way of accompaniment, for all our Russian or Russia-connected lurkers, and sometime posters; let us mourn the dead and pray for the survivors as they continue to try to rebuild lives...lives that are *still*, in Ossetia, in southern Russia, overshadowed by the looming darkness of Jihad.

John Tavener's 'Song for Athene', setting the Kontakion together with certain other texts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itDW7U9ZzIA&feature=related


Rachmaninov, Vespers, part IV (Russian version of the Phos hilaron)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6WC3kvW8TA&feature=relmfu

And perhaps the single most beautiful icon - The Hospitality of Abraham, or, The Trinity - that the Russian church has ever created, painted by Rublev in the 15th century; I would call it Christian Russia's gift to the church universal, and the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Angelsatmamre-trinity-rublev-1410.jpg

And for the mothers and their children, the murdered who are mourned, and the survivors who still grieve for them: the Theotokos of Vladimir -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vladimirskaya.jpg


Also, on this day 229 years ago in 1783, was signed the Treaty of Paris as:

The American Revolution officially comes to an end when representatives of the United States, Great Britain, Spain and France sign the Treaty of Paris on this day in 1783. The signing signified America's status as a free nation, as Britain formally recognized the independence of its 13 former American colonies, and the boundaries of the new republic were agreed upon: Florida north to the Great Lakes and the Atlantic coast west to the Mississippi River.

As for the posted article: that 'aid' money will be understood by the Muslim recipients in two possible ways.

it will be understood and received either as jizya, or as Tribute.

there will be no gratitude for it whatsoever.

It will be pocketed, as of right; and more will be demanded, and more, and more, and more.

Hugh Fitzgerald, on 'the jizyah of foreign aid' (that is, of foreign 'aid' given by non-Muslim countries, to any Muslim entity).


http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/11/fitzgerald-the-jizyah-of-foreign-aid.html

Fitzgerald: The jizyah of foreign aid

And a couple of other Fitzgerald classics on the same subject, as relevant now as when first penned.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2006/01/fitzgerald-infidel-mans-burden.html
Fitzgerald: Infidel Man's Burden

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2006/01/fitzgerald-no-more-jizya.html
Fitzgerald: No more jizya

Time for the longsuffering taxpayers of non-Muslim countries all over the world to start marching and shouting, with placards proclaiming "Stop the Jizya!" "No More Jizya!" "I Won't Pay The Jizya!"

And as for 'tribute', buying off jihad by paying money to Mohammedan extortionists and gangstas whether they be state or non-state actors, Jefferson put it best, back in the days of the Muslim 'Barbary pirates':

"Millions for defence but not a penny for tribute!"

"Millions for defence, but not a cent [or one euro, or...(insert small item of local currency here)] for tribute!"

Let's start saying *that* to our politicians whether we are American, or British, or Australian, or Canadian, or anything else in any other country that is stupid enough to be transferring money, skills, goods, anything at all, to Mohammedan entities, all of which goodies are complacently and greedily absorbed, without the tiniest flicker of gratitude, by the swollen-headed Mohammedans.


Once again the US pays its Jizya willingly...

It's getting to where I'm feeling like an islamic collaborator just for paying my taxes. I don't recall signing up for sending my $ to our enemies? This makes me sick. Barack and Hillary make me sick...

You know I just have to say that the readers and commentators at JW are more grounded and astute than our elected officials. Kudo gang.

.''. brushing aside reservations of American & International assistance.''.

I nearly threw up on reading that.

Pyramids of cash for the Islamic pharaohs!

Clowns! On both sides.

Let's see.. forgive their $1 billion loan, and issue them a new $5 billion loan.

Issuing loans that you know won't be repaid? We already tried that with our housing market, & our economy collapsed.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!

We cannot afford to do this on so many levels.

Committing acts of treason every day, committing acts of treason in every way...Barring dirty tricks, we can get rid of some of that Nov 6th...

Trying to convince the Egyptians to adopt rational economic structures is like trying to convince an alcoholic to give up drinking. It might be desirable, but it's up to the person himself.

The question is, why is the US trying to make itself a player in this game? We are putting ourselves at risk for billions and billions of dollars to "shore up" the economy of a country that may or may not turn out to be actively hostile to Western interests. Worse, since the Muslim Brotherhood is actively involved in the Egyptian government now, Egypt could turn out to be a sponsor of creeping Sharia in Western countries, just like Saudi Arabia.

I wish the Egyptian people every success on their own. The history of the US involvement in Middle Eastern affairs shows that at best, the US has mixed results, and that at worst, the US has helped to set the stage for the political Islamization taking over the region.

If the Egyptians are interested in improving their economy, they will adopt rational policies, whether or not they are bribed by the US. Why would the US send money from its deficit-burdened economy, and send it overseas? Where is the cost-benefit analysis?

This makes perfect sense: at a time when your Treasury owes three times the annual GDP of the whole planet, it is important to shore up financially first those who publicly vow to destroy you ! If Khruschev was alive today and declared "we will bury you !" Obama would buy him the shovel.

Hello my good fellow JW posters:
How sad it is for me to read that our government
offers aid of any sort to our enemy: Islam.

The trouble with most of my countrymen is that they suffer from Exhaustipation [new proposed word meaning:
too old & tired to give a shit].

Americans, rise up, for you the flag is flung, for
you the bugle trills. But alas, we cannot even bring
ourselves to name our enemy: Islam.

Peace, Paul R.

Wow pure insanity !

I hope Romney wipes his snotty face of in the election !

Go Romney !

George,

It's worse than that. I think of it as assuming the proverbial position, especially, each time I pull into a gas station.

Tsar Putin on muslims: "We are dust to them."

Just to play devil's advocate for a moment-

Why wouldn't we want them to be dependant upon us?

I'd rather it be us gaining the diplomatic and financial returns than The EU, Russia or China.

Better they shuffle to our tune than dance to someone elses.

As long as they know who's feeding the jukebox.

And America is giving money to Egypt in the same way we did to Muburak, and if that meant Muburak was America's and the Zionists puppet, well then... It means the MB is now America and the Zionists new puppet.

I'm not saying that's the reality. But it's a perception that could be fostered and exploited.

Gentlemen ! Gentlemen ! You do not seem to be aware the new Egyptian Government urgently needs this money to pay for the building of new Churches for the Copts and to buy then new cars so that they can easily get to Church. You do not seem to be aware of how kind the Muslims in Egypt are to their brothers the Cpotic Christians. They are of course following Muhammad's example..... You do not seem to realise that the person Christians refer to as the Good Samaritan, was in actual fact Muhammad...... always assuming he actually existed.


Yes, S.P., and all those peaceful Muslims will receive
their rewards in Paradise by having sex with little boys
and with 72 year old virgins.

Peace, Paul R.

Sorry, late to this thread.

You know what Egypt is buying from US-money? And Germany is building and selling it and nary a peep whatsoever from the four involved Gouvernmets exept for a rightfully pi**ed off Israel? German U-Boots, two type 209, off the shelf, not as advanced as the israeli's dolphins, but bad enough.

Egypt has been begging for those two boats since 2008, but now the MB takes office, it's suddenly allright with Germany. Since the story broke, no one, not Israel, not Germany, not Egypt nor the US is willing to give any detail on this story.

Some links how it started:

JP 2008: http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=121021

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4275414,00.html

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?217030-2-German-(type-209)-submarines-for-quot-Egypt-quot

The arabian whistleblower:
http://gate.ahram.org.eg/News/245667.aspx


Sorry for typos. Was furious and just hacking along.

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