"Based on Sharia rulings we cannot use the word friendship with infidels"

"O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Whoso of you makes them his friends is one of them." -- Qur'an 5:51

These senators must be greasy Islamophobes, because everyone knows that Qur'an 5:51 doesn't mean what it seems to mean, and only those who "hate" Muslims take it at face value -- not a single Muslim the entire world over does.

"Afghan senators want 'friendship' axed from France pact," from AFP, October 2 (thanks to Jay):

KABUL — Afghanistan's senate voted to cut the word "friendship" from a pact with France because Islamic texts say it cannot be used to describe relations between Muslims and infidels, senators said Tuesday.

France, which has seen 88 of its troops killed as part of the NATO coalition backing the Afghan government against Taliban insurgents, signed the 20-year "friendship and cooperation treaty" earlier this year.

"Some senators said that based on Sharia rulings we cannot use the word friendship with infidels, so after voting the word friendship was replaced with relationship," Senator Zahra Sharifi told AFP....

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I always said Bush ballsed up Afghanistan - he made the mistake of not destroying it completely. He should have razed the entire place to the ground. no need to use nuclear weapons, so we can go in after and take all the resources - and why not? It would pay for the military hardware used, and then some...

Another story this time from India
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Latest Victim of Hate Jihad in Kerala - Jithu ; succumbs to death
02/10/2012 06:28:09  HK

Kerala Junior football team Vice Captain Jithu Mohan succumbed to death today.He was doused with Petrol and Set on Fire last week,all because he fell in love with Shabana, a Muslim girl hailing from Chunakkara.He succumbed to death today at Amritha Hospital, Ernakulam

Jithu is the third victim of jihadi terrorism in Kerala in short span of time, followed by Vishal at Chengannur and Sachin at Kannur.

Jithu Mohan is a degree student of SD College. On coming to know about the relationship, the girl’s relatives opposed it and smuggled her to another relative’s house. Following this Jithu gave a habeas corpus in the High Court, following which the girl was produced before court. She was, however, allowed to leave the place with her relatives. Meanwhile Jithu’s friends said that the youth was forcibly taken to the house of Shabana’s sister who resides in Kodungallur by Shabana’s brother in law. Also in league with Shabana’s relative is a Police Officer of AR Camp, Wahab. The incident of setting Jithu afire took place in Wahab’s house.

Hindu organisations have called for Hartal tommorrow in Kodungallur and Mavellikara demanding the arrest of Police officer Wahab and his Jihadi aides.

A 'relationship' where you get...

I am now laughing my a...off. the afghan senate just made my day!!!!
M

With "friends" like these, who needs enemies?

It'd be fun to persuade the Afghan senate that in France
a relationship is a "friendship with benefits"?

Based on Allah's word infidels Q.6:70, 10:4 "... who reject Him (Pedo Allah 65:4) will have draughts of boiling fluids, and a penalty grievous, because they did reject Him."

"We [Muslims] smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them."

The heading above is from Muhammad's companion and pupil Abu Ad-Darda, as cited and explained by Ibn Kathir, the Muslim world's most respected Qur'an expositor. How can we understand this?

Consider Qur'an 3:28, which says Muslims must not be friends with non-Muslims, except as a pretense, to guard against the unbelievers.

Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.
In what follows, the Muslim world's most respected Quran expositor, Ibn Kathir, alternates between quoting Qur'an verses about friendship with non-Muslims, and explaining those verses:
The Prohibition of Supporting the Disbelievers

Allah prohibited His believing servants from becoming supporters of the disbelievers, or to take them as comrades with whom they develop friendships, rather than the believers. Allah warned against such behavior when He said,
And whoever does that, will never be helped by Allah in any way[Qur'an 3:28]
meaning, whoever commits this act that Allah has prohibited, then Allah will discard him. Similarly, Allah said,
O you who believe! Take not My enemies and your enemies as friends, showing affection towards them,
until,
And whosoever of you does that, then indeed he has gone astray from the straight path. [Qur'an 60:1].
Allah said,
O you who believe! Take not for friends disbelievers instead of believers. Do you wish to offer Allah a manifest proof against yourselves [Qur'an 4:144],
and,
O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as friends, they are but friends of each other. And whoever befriends them, then surely, he is one of them.[Qur'an 5:51].
Allah said, after mentioning the fact that the faithful believers gave their support to the faithful believers among the Muhajirin [those who emigrated with Muhammad from Mecca to Medina], Ansar [citizens from Medina who helped Muhammad] and Bedouins,
And those who disbelieve are allies of one another, (and) if you do not behave the same, there will be Fitnah and oppression on the earth, and a great mischief and corruption. [Qur'an 8:73].
Allah said next [in Qur'an 3:28, which many Islamic scholars say was produced after the above verse, 8:73]
unless you indeed fear a danger from them
meaning, except those believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers. In this case, such believers are allowed to show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly. For instance, Al-Bukhari [compiler of the most canonical hadith collection] recorded that Abu Ad-Darda [a companion and pupil of Muhammad] said, "We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them." Al-Bukhari said that Al-Hasan said, "The Tuqyah [or taqqiyah, deception on behalf of Islam] is allowed until the Day of Resurrection."
"We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them." A deception "allowed until the Day of Resurrection." Thus you have Ibn Kathir, the greatest mainstream Islamic authority, explaining a mainstream pious Islamic idea of "friendship" with non-believers.

-- Quoting Islam

Islamonazism:

The "Free Gaza Movement" promotes a 1943 Nazi propaganda film, anti-semitic conspiracy theories

http://storify.com/avimayer/the-free-gaza-movement-shows-its-anti-semitic-side

I suppose Afghanistan after 9/11/01 was an impossible situation. There was no good response possible.

Alternatives:

1. Do nothing; or

2. Wipe out the country; or

3. Destroy the Afghan government and leave whatever Afghan forces remain to reconstitute order however they please; or

3. Destroy the Afghan government, replace with a strongman friendly to the U.S.; or

4. Destroy the Afghan government, replace with a democratic government in which sharia is outlawed; or

5. Destroy the Afghan government, replace with a government in which sharia is permitted (more or less the current situation).

All the above alternatives are either impossible or undesirable. The thing is to pick from among the realisitic possible alternatives the alternative that is least bad.

Religions or philosophy have little to do with savagery. The Rape of Nanking was carried out by the Japanese who after being nuked and then disarmed became gentle souls. Muslims can also become sweet and loving if a few million are nuked, the teachings of Moses, Jesus, or Muhammad are meaningless.

The French should substitute the phrase "enemies of all mankind".

Chowching, your contention is silly. Philosophy does certainly affect how men live. Irrational philosophy leads to disaster.

you chowching, I am a big fan of dewars. the scotch. but now I am thinking perhaps what ever you are smoking is better! can you tell me what it is?
M

Miriam:
My wisdom comes from brain damage caused by chemically enhanced weed and Mongolian mushrooms experienced at 12 years old. But now I only use Seroquel, a medication prescribed by Chechnian and Khazakistan psychiatrists.

...a medication prescribed by Chechnian and Khazakistan psychiatrists

You have more than one psychiatrist, and they are all giving you prescriptions? I think you should tell them about each other, it's not right.

"Based on Sharia rulings we cannot use the word friendship with infidels"

Is that in the Sharia? Well then that's ok then. Dont want to be seen as Islamophobic to object.

But though you cannot be our friends, as commanded by the almighty Allah/ Muhammad, cant we at least send you money and arms to kill us with?

Cant we at least welcome you with open arms to come to our countries as "refugees" so that you can demand the Sharia on us at closer range?

He's having you on, but the sarcasm seems to be way above your head.

He's having you on, but the sarcasm seems to be way above your head.

the french will find an outstanding reaction to this, they always do. i hope it involves tearing the useless document up in parliament and withdrawing. lets all leave and let them rot, no danger if in fighting and tribal war takes over. the occasional drone whenever the scum get out of line will be better than this disrespect, afghan soldiers hitting us with 'blue on blue' murders and intel ensuring more western troops die.

lets let them rot.

Based on Sharia rulings I cannot use the word "friendship" with muslims. I say tomato. They say Jihad. Let's call the whole thing off...

Rich,
You assume I took what he was saying at face value. Who's having who on?

Rich, I wasn't taking chowching literally. I was joking in my response to him.

" I am thinking perhaps what ever you are smoking is better! can you tell me what it is?"

This stuff seems to be unbeatable, ask the Taliban about it!

http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2011/05/fly-over-talibans-nest.html

Afghanis to the world: Give us your money, but don't expect us to like you.

What's more laughable? The Afghanis' silliness, or our cupidity in continuing to help them?

"Based on Sharia rulings we cannot use the word friendship with infidels"
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We should take Muslims at their word when they say they cannot be friends with us...

"chowching" wrote:

Religions or philosophy have little to do with savagery. The Rape of Nanking was carried out by the Japanese who after being nuked and then disarmed became gentle souls. Muslims can also become sweet and loving if a few million are nuked, the teachings of Moses, Jesus, or Muhammad are meaningless.
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More crap from Muslim apologist "chowching".

Of course, this is *all* on the model of the loathsome "Prophet".

"so after voting the word friendship was replaced with relationship"

Are you getting fresh, Afghani Muslim Senator....?

Cool - the Afghan senators doing what we simply won't do

graven image everyone who does not think like you does not have to be a Muslim apologist.

What do you find particularly offensive? "..the teachings of Moses, Jesus, or Muhammad are meaningless?" Should he just have said Muhammad?

I disagree that their teachings are meaningless. We can see the influence of the teachings of Muhammad in the last 1400 years of history, and of Jesus in the last 2000, but his saying so doesn't make him a "Muslim apologist".

Tell me in your research have you found Muslim apologists advocating nuking Mecca?

graven image everyone who does not think like you does not have to be a Muslim apologist.

What do you find particularly offensive? "..the teachings of Moses, Jesus, or Muhammad are meaningless?" Should he just have said Muhammad?

I disagree that their teachings are meaningless. We can see the influence of the teachings of Muhammad in the last 1400 years of history, and of Jesus in the last 2000, but his saying so doesn't make him a "Muslim apologist".

Tell me in your research have you found Muslim apologists advocating nuking Mecca?

Rich wrote:

graven image everyone who does not think like you does not have to be a Muslim apologist.
................................

Of course not, Rich. But if you look at "chowching's" posting history, he *is* a Muslim apologist. Most recently, he has been posting ridiculous comments like the above. On another recent thread, he was supposedly stumping for building Synagogues throughout the Muslim world, following which millions of Infidels would "revert" to Islam.

More:

What do you find particularly offensive? "..the teachings of Moses, Jesus, or Muhammad are meaningless?" Should he just have said Muhammad?
................................

Not at all. I have *always* defended criticism of any faith or philosophy. But I do not believe "chowching" means any of this seriously, in any case.

More:

I disagree that their teachings are meaningless. We can see the influence of the teachings of Muhammad in the last 1400 years of history, and of Jesus in the last 2000, but his saying so doesn't make him a "Muslim apologist".

Tell me in your research have you found Muslim apologists advocating nuking Mecca?
................................

Again, I suggest you take a look at his posting history, Rich. His "suggestion" re nuking Mecca is meant to be provocative, and nothing more.

Rich, gravenimage has already explained herself above; I'd just add that chowching's statement smells of a "bait-and-switch" tactic often employed by subversives. He's insinuating that the Counter-Jihad, given the nature of its ongoing warnings about Islam, has no alternative but to advocate that we "nuke" all Muslims (or enough of them to constitute a U.N. international war crime).

The obvious thing to do then is to ignore him. If he "baits" you with bizarre posts and you respond to it, you are taking the bait. Not an intelligent thing to do.

The obvious thing to do then is to ignore him. If he "baits" you with bizarre posts and you respond to it, you are taking the bait. Not an intelligent thing to do.

Rich wrote:

The obvious thing to do then is to ignore him. If he "baits" you with bizarre posts and you respond to it, you are taking the bait. Not an intelligent thing to do.
...............................

Actually, Rich, it is always a tough call as to whether to respond to trolls. Certainly, doing so often merely encourages them.

On the other hand, trolls—especially the most provocative—can confuse readers who take their comments at face value.

As LemonLime notes, much of what "chowching" is doing is bait-and-switch and false moral equivalence.

Readers might well believe that these are common Jihad Watch views if no one points out what posters like "chowching" are doing.

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