Hamas top dog: "Hamas must declare that it was formed to eliminate the state of Israel, and that Israel is an entity that must disappear"

Obviously Hamas is wrong, when this Palestinian organization calls for elimination of the Zionist entity call Israel from the middle-east. I think Jews of Palestine have an equal rights to live in Palestine like any Moslem or Christian Palestinians.

Main obstacle is a viable Palestinian nation (not Bantustan or Banana republic)that must be economically viable and must gives the right to the Palestinian refugees now living in various camps to return to their homes that they lost or were kicked out for making space for the European Jewry also known as Kazari Jews. Those Palestinian refugees who are now well settle in other countries also must be given option to return to their homes in occupied Palestine as per all U.N. declaration and universal human right. or fair compensation for their suffering and loss, should they decide not to return and take the settlement money.

On the other hand, European Kazari Jews like that of present Israeli foreign minister and or those Russian Jews also known as Russian economic refugees imported to Palestine with he help of than U.S. president Ronald Reagan time now in occupied Palestine can also be re-settle in Russia, Poland and other eastern European countries.

I was reading an article few months ago publish from New York, that says; " many east European Jews or economic refugees in occupied Palestine want to go to either U.S.A. or Canada. That was their actual motives to leave Russia and other European countries and first move to Israel and than move to North America.

I think a major war can be avoided if we all cool down and make some sound decision, suffering of the Palestinian people must be over soon. It should be the ultimate goal for all concern parties.

Inciting for violence, inciting for big wars will be fruitless, as violence never solved any problem. The concept, that the political power reside under the barrel of gun is long gone. We now live in the digital age and we need to work hard to make this world better for all 7/8 billion human being and not for just 0.00001% of the humanity.

So start spreading love and not hate among humanity.

You wrote:

"So start spreading love and not hate among humanity."

Yes, I agree ...

"Choose love, defeat jihad"

Long live Israel! ...and stop the jihad against those intent on her destruction.

No one is seeking the destruction of the Jordanians, danny, so you need to get your facts and priorities straight. If you can. If you dare.

"Atomic bombs cured the Japanese of militarism and racial supremacy..."

That is correct, and atomic bombs might, just might, cure the West of its wilfull ignorance and suicidal complacency. But probably not.

Champ, it's shameless Arabs (viz Danny's post), not "shameful Arabs".

ahaha! ..no kidding, Kepha :)

"Key phrase is the penultimate: "[...] This plan is Hamas' gateway to the Arab and Islamic world.""

No the key phrase is "We must present this to the West, so that it decides to stop backing Israel and realizes that it has made a mistake and must rectify it."

It is the West that must fight the Islamists battles for them as it has done in Kosovo, Tunisia, Egypt and Libya.

Hamas could never destroy Israel. The West must do it.

Well with Obama around...

"Key phrase is the penultimate: "[...] This plan is Hamas' gateway to the Arab and Islamic world.""

No the key phrase is "We must present this to the West, so that it decides to stop backing Israel and realizes that it has made a mistake and must rectify it."

It is the West that must fight the Islamists battles for them as it has done in Kosovo, Tunisia, Egypt and Libya.

Hamas could never destroy Israel. The West must do it.

Well with Obama around...

As yet another "bagel-eating Khazar," I recognize the Arab word for a black person (abid) as the same word for "slave."

@Kepha,

I understand and respect your frustration and rankling grievances regarding undemocratic nature of almost all Moslem majority Arab states. How can you have democracy in these traditional dictatorship own state for over a thousand years and nowhere exist any democratic institution to support such democracy. I don't think it has got anything to do with the plight of the Palestinian people. Palestinians are not Egyptians or Syrian or Lebanese.

They are simply Palestinian. They may be a mix of many race or creed. However, they have existed in Palestine for at least 600/700 years as a distinct race. It is not prudent to call or even suggest, they be relocated to different country unless they them self agree to that.

On the other hand mot European Jewry are mix of Kazar and European breed and have no right to settle in Palestine by force of arms, intimidation and or violence.

Let's not lurch Breivik, now.

Well, danny, still holding onto your illusion of a country called Palestine.

Well, there are 'Palestinians' who would disagree with you, not just me and millions of others.

“Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?”
“We did not particularly mind Jordanian rule. The teaching of the destruction of Israel was a definite part of the curriculum, but we considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of the sudden we were Palestinians - they removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all at once we had a Palestinian flag”.
“When I finally realized the lies and myths I was taught, it is my duty as a righteous person to speak out”. (Walid Shebat, former PLO activist)

You're a clown!

So, Danny, you say that all those proud Arabic-speaking lineages every where from Mauretania to Khorasan that boast of descent from the houses of the early followers of Muhammad should all move back to Hijaz?

Great idea!
I am sure some 40 millions Christians of the "Arab world" living under the moslem boot would applaud the idea. And, as different public opinion probes indicate, the majority of the EU people, or about 250 millions by modest estimation, wouldn't mind it at all.

' Arabic-speaking lineages every where from Mauretania to Khorasan '

people in the central asian states,some of which formed ancient khorasan, were conqured by turks, and they speak turkish

@Buraq,

Are you talking about that self describe terrorist name Walid Shebat? I think he is mentally unbalance and a liar, a traditional media attention seeking person for self glory and making money or handout from any source.

Anyway, we should not dwell in the past. Creation of an independent and viable Palestinian state remained the most important task before us.

All these ISLAMOPHOBIA and HATE spreading among humanity is not going to solve the problem of the world. Instead there will be more violence and revenge and more violence. We need peace in the world.

That is why I always trust, discussion foster independent thinking. It is always some give and take.

You wrote: 'Anyway, we should not dwell in the past.'

No, because close examination of 'the past' will reveal the illusion you are currently living under that Palestine was a real country, not a religious mirage that disappears when you try to touch it.

Far from being a bustling Arab country, this is what your mirage really looked like:

"The area was underpopulated and remained economically stagnant until the arrival of the first Zionist pioneers in the 1880's, who came to rebuild the Jewish land. The country had remained "The Holy Land" in the religious and historic consciousness of mankind, which associated it with the Bible and the history of the Jewish people. Jewish development of the country also attracted large numbers of other immigrants - both Jewish and Arab. The road leading from Gaza to the north was only a summer track suitable for transport by camels and carts... Houses were all of mud. No windows were anywhere to be seen... The plows used were of wood... The yields were very poor... The sanitary conditions in the village [Yabna] were horrible... Schools did not exist... The rate of infant mortality was very high... The western part, toward the sea, was almost a desert... The villages in this area were few and thinly populated. Many ruins of villages were scattered over the area, as owing to the prevalence of malaria, many villages were deserted by their inhabitants".

- The report of the British Royal Commission, 1913 -

So much for your mirage of the fabled land of Palestine!

Clown!

Whoa, Danny boy, "Must not dwell in the past.."? The whole frickin' muslim world wants to turn back the clock to 500 a.d. and stay there! And they want all of the rest of the world to "join" them--by the sword. "...must not dwell in the past" indeed. I'm not sure where you're dwelling, but it sure isn't this planet.

Oops---I was suffering a temporary attack of random quotation marks there. Sorry. I meant to say, "join" them--apparently by the sword.

You wrote:

"Are you talking about that self describe terrorist name Walid Shebat? I think he is mentally unbalance and a liar, a traditional media attention seeking person for self glory and making money or handout from any source."

Jeez do you subscribe to every lie you hear about? ...well, I guess so, since you subscribe to islam.

Question here is not how develop and undeveloped area that the occupied Palestine was. The question here is contemporary idea of human freedom, thus idea of Palestinian independent as a viable state. (certainly not a banana republic or Bantustan criss-cross with many occupation line and or creation of a concentration camp like present Gaza.

Solution is very simple. Occupation of Palestine must end as per U.N declaration and Palestinian refugees back to their original homes all over occupied Palestine.

Danny, are you planning to purchase a condominium somewhere in the Eastern Hemisphere so that you might "return to the land of your origin," assuming that you now live somewhere in the Western Hemisphere lands colonized by Europeans in the last several centuries?

Perhaps we should likewise request that Arabs living in Morocco now "return" to the Hejaz.

"Perhaps we should likewise request that Arabs living in Morocco now 'return' to the Hejaz."

Touche! ..great point, Mike.

You're right that most people of ancient Khorasan speak either Turkic or Persian dialects today, but there is a Central Asian dialect of Arabic that barely hangs on in NE Iran, N. Afghanistan, and some tiny pockets in Uzbekistan and Tajikistan. it descends from what was brought to the garrisons in those areas in earlier times. The point is the mark of the Arab colonialist remains in those lands--as it does in the Spanish-speaking world, where every word beginning with al- indicates an Arabic loanword.

Now, I admit I was being a bit facetious about a number of things in my suggestions to Danny. I truly don't think that a vast "back-migration" of the bulk of the world's peoples (every country I've lived in or visited was inhabited by folks who at one point or another in their histories were "settlers" or "colonialists"). And I still note that the Zionist territorial claims amount to the moral equivalent of an Indian reservation--albeit one on which the "Indians" have made a going economic return.

There are none so blind as those who will not see!

The whole point of the article I pasted into my post was to show you that what you call Palestine was, in fact, a deserted tract of mosquito infested land. Practically no one lived there!

When the Zionist settlers returned to the area that had been theirs for thousands of years, some Arabs also migrated there to get work draining the swamps and restoring the land to a habitable condition.

Not in anyone's wildest dreams could it be called a country called Palestine, bustling with crowds of Palestinians in cities and towns living their lives as they had done since time immemorial.

The propaganda mirage that Palestinians were minding their own business and along came the Zionists who kicked them out and stole their land is arrant nonsense!

Wake up, you clown!

Kepha wrote, replying to "danny":

And, since you mention the "Khazars", your typical evil "Zionist" hasn't got a drop of Khazar blood, for he descends from a Muslim-majority country. And I doubt that the Khazars account for as much of 10% of the Jews formerly from Eastern and Central Europe, regardless of what Arthur Kessler may have said. Y-Chormosone studies show Jews everywhere closer to the populations between Kurdistan and the Mediterranean than to anything Old European or Central Asian (the marker of the Patriarch Shem, perhaps?).
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Kepha, thanks for running down "danny's" "Kazari" reference. I wasn't sure where it came from—the only "Kazari" I had been able to find in a search were Japanese—but it was clear that he was using it to denigrate the the idea that the Jews have any historic link to Israel.

The irony is that at least part of Arthur Koestler's motive in writing his book "The Thirteenth Tribe" in the 1970s was to attempt to counter antisemitism.

In an interview, he said he "was convinced that if he could prove that the bulk of Eastern European Jews (the ancestors of today's Ashkenazim) were descended from the Khazars, the racial basis for anti-Semitism would be removed and anti-Semitism itself could disappear".

Well, not only was Koestler's scholarship and understanding of genetic science pretty poor, but he obviously failed to grasp the pernicious nature of antisemitism, or that his own wonky theory would be used some decades later by Mohammedans calling for the destruction of Israel.

Ah, my poor Mitteleuropischer Landsmann Arthur Koestler! I read his _Thirteenth Tribe_ and walked away as unimpressed as you appear to be.

My guess is that had Hitler known about the "Khazar Hypothesis", he'd have been an "Anti-Centralasianist", or something along those lines. He wanted to hate anyone of Jewish origins no matter what.

And, @ Danny, since the Jews are supposedly "Khazars" and ought to remove back to eastern Europe, do you also propose that the Turks, being Central Asian colonists, move themselves back to Central Asia, and leave western Anatolia and Thrace to the rightful Greek owners, and eastern Anatolia as an empty quarter which the surviving Armenians may reclaim?
Or, should those who identify with Thai culture pull out of the Middle Mekong and Chao Phraya basins to remove themselves to the area where China, Viet Nam, and Laos meet? Or, should all who speak Austronesian languages move back to Taiwan?

BTW, I wasn't talking about the Arab world's lack of democracy.

Kepha

you wrote - "I still note that the Zionist territorial claims amount to the moral equivalent of an Indian reservation--albeit one on which the "Indians" have made a going economic return."

Yep. Nice analogy.

And one that should be spread about a bit more.

Israel is all about 'the return of the native' and a remarkable reversal of the usual 'Way of the World'. To rephrase a line from J K Rowling, Israel is 'the People that lived'. I do enjoy the story of a group of Jewish soldiers (serving under the British) painting, on Trajan's Column, in Hebrew, the words 'Am Yisrael Chai'...

Native Americans/ First Nations people and Aboriginal Australians should really be the most enthusiastic Friends of Zion one could find. They should be rooting for the Jews against the Jihad; for the formerly colonised-and-occupied, against the former imperial invaders/ occupiers who are hell-bent on reducing them uppity Jews once more to the misery of dhimmitude or even on outright genocide.

At present, alas, quite a few First Nations and Aussie Aborigines today have been conned into siding with the Pooooor "Palestinians" [TM] because of the false paradigm 'Jews = Foreign Imperialists, '"Palestinian' Arab Muslims = Oppressed Native People" (which is, to anyone who knows the story of the Arab Muslim - and other Muslim - invasions and occupations, a precise reversal of reality) but I don't see why that needs to remain the case.

So those of us who do know the facts including the fact that so-called 'Palestine', the land of Israel, was *never* entirely Judenrein; dhimmi Jews though treated like garbage by the invading/ occupying Muslims, hung on all along in their ancestral land, just as remnants of native peoples have hung on in their ancestral territories in other corners of the globe even after most of their respective peoples were forcibly removed, killed or driven out/ fled) just have to keep hammering home the real story every chance we get.

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Thanks again, Kepha. And your noting that this silly hypothesis would have changed *nothing* for the Jews during the Holocaust is sadly spot on.