"If the Americans truly leave and stop their interference we will set up an Islamic state"

That would mean the amputation of thieves' hands, stoning of adulterers, the killing of apostates from Islam, the denial of free speech, and institutionalized discrimination against women and non-Muslims. These have been the features of Islamic law everywhere it has ever been implemented. Yet in the United States the mainstream narrative is that Sharia is amorphous beyond all description and/or perfectly benign and compatible with Western principles of human rights -- and if you don't believe that, you're a greasy Islamophobe.

"Losing Afghanistan: Clerics now openly support the Taliban," by Chris Sands in the Global Post, September 30 (thanks to Lachlan):

KABUL, Afghanistan — Mawlawi Ataullah Faizani took time out from teaching Islamic studies at a girls’ school in Kabul to explain why Afghans have a duty to resist the occupation of their country.

He quoted sayings of the Prophet Muhammad, spoke of foreign troops humiliating civilians, and ridiculed the corruption that runs through the heart of the government.

“This anarchy has been created by the West,” he told GlobalPost. “The West is never happy to let Muslims be united.”

Faizani’s views are common among members of the powerful religious establishment here. Clerics and scholars now openly sympathize with the Taliban and question much of what NATO claims to have achieved.

Far from being radical, their message is part of a mainstream demand for the creation of an independent state that would impose corporal punishment, stricter dress codes for women and greater censorship of the media.

Their complaints about life in Afghanistan post-2001 inevitably begin with the presence of foreign troops. The occupation, they believe, has actively encouraged a litany of personal and political ills in an effort to weaken the bedrock of society: Islam.

The sheer depth of this anger and suspicion was evident in February, when Qurans were set on fire at a US military base. NATO issued an immediate apology but nationwide protests erupted regardless.

The anger has since been seen in demonstrations over an anti-Islam video released on YouTube, and in a number of incidents involving Afghan security forces deliberately shooting their foreign counterparts, suggesting that tensions between two very different cultures may be near a breaking point.

When he is not teaching at a girls’ school, Faizani is an imam at a mosque in Kabul. He said that non-Muslims who are guests in an Islamic society have the same rights as Muslims.

But he added that this rule does not apply to soldiers, who he insisted are a legitimate target for attacks, including suicide bombings. “People cannot just sit down with their hands under their beards, they should react,” he said....

In cities, meanwhile, young women often wear American or European-style clothing with their compulsory Islamic headscarves....

There is a difference between Islamic freedom and Western freedom,” said Abdul Zaher Dayee, a professor in the Sharia Law faculty at Kabul University....

“There is no democracy and no Islam, there is a kind of anarchy: people are looting land and houses, they are raping. No law exists, ” he said.

Although the Afghan government has occasionally executed prisoners it accuses of serious offenses, that is not enough for men like Dayee who claim President Hamid Karzai is a puppet of the United States.

Instead, they want systematic capital and corporal punishment to be introduced. In certain instances this would include thieves having a hand cut off — a practice commonly carried out in public under the Taliban regime.

If the Americans truly leave and stop their interference we will set up an Islamic state,” Dayee said. “But if they continue to interfere and bankroll some people here then we will have to fight them.”...

Mawlawi Abdul Salam Abed heads the department responsible for preparing the Islamic curriculum for all state run schools and madrassas. He told GlobalPost the current situation is unacceptable.

“You know and I know what the Taliban and the nation want, but when the government of Afghanistan is not implementing Sharia law it means the government does not have independence, it is in the hands of others,” he said.

If there is even one percent of Islam you are not implementing, you are an infidel. It’s a total program.”

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“If there is even one percent of Islam you are not implementing, you are an infidel. It’s a total program.”

Yep...That's the reason 'moderates' do not exist...
You know what Allah thinks of infidels...

"If the Americans truly leave and stop their interference we will set up an Islamic state"

Great. If you have any trouble in building the caliphate, give US a call.


All of it, all the blood and treasure expended, has been for nothing.

The stupidest thing a country can do is to set up a long-term occupation force in a foreign country without actually settling it as a colony. This has been the experience of empires as far back as history is recorded. Machiavelli, in "The Prince" stated emphatically that occupying a conquered foreign country would ruin the prince, unless he actually established his home there.

Afghanistan is a worthless rock, capable of producing only poppies for opium. It hosted al-qaeda, which was dangerous precisely because we were doing what we are doing now: discounting the threat of Muslims operating within our borders. Now, the primary refuge for al-qaeda is our "ally" Pakistan, to whom we have given billions of dollars. Meanwhile, the Muslim Brotherhood continues its infiltration of our political, social, and educational establishment.

George Bush, ignorant, arrogant and incompetent, crafted our commitment to supporting a government foreign to Afghan society, rather than simply cleaning out the Taliban and leaving the Afghans to their own devices.

Obama, for all his faults, at least set a deadline for US forces to withdraw. I hesitantly support Romney, but if I see any indication that Romney will follow the McCain doctrine of active military intervention in Muslim affairs, I would have to reconsider.

I viewed the attempt to push the Afghans and Iraqis into the modern world as an important experiment. If the two "nation building" attempts failed, that would be the cue that the Muslims could not be dealt with like the Germans or Japanese after WWII. Having tried, then we would come to the realization that brute force would be the only reasonable tactic and strategy. At least we would have tried to treat the Muslims as potentially civilized people.

That seems historically to have been the American way. Who would have foreseen that we and the Japanese would be friendly, back in 1945?

Our son has been in both Afghanistan and Iraq. I am terribly sorry for all the loss of Marines, soldiers, and sailors. Sometimes we have to live and learn.

We cannot defeat Islam by brute force, not because they have superior tactics but because they do not value life at its core.

They way to defeat Islam is to evacuate non-muslims in muslimland. Deport muslims to muslimlands who are in nonmuslim lands. Banning nonmuslims to work in muslimland and finding alternative to oil.

Most muslim nations have nothing but oil and many gulf countries are too reliant on infidels for their economy. Take UAE for example 3/4 infidel, 1/4 muslim. Take out those 3/4 and their economy will be gone. Pull out healthcare practitioners in Saudi who are mostly infidels and let them bleed to death and chant that everything is allah's will

Suitcase sales must be up!

Karzai--and hundreds of his family members and friends--are probably quite busy getting all of that cash to wherever they'll be living after the fall.

And after the Taliban replace the current constitution with the Qur'an, Islam will remain the law of the land.

And our "leaders" will have learned nothing.

Islamic lands remind me of John3:19,"... and men loved the darkness because their deeds were evil." Islam is demonic and has blinded its followers the light of Christ, to goodness mercy and compassion in the name of the One and only God.

oops sorry ,the above should read "blinded TO to the light of Christ..."

Operation: YBESN (You're Blocking the Exit, SN) -- can't spell out the whole acronym, because our society is not as free and intelligent as it was in the 1940s when we could slur our Kraut and Nip enemies with vigorous abandon.

my own son served a year in afghanistan and he too is a marine. I am from Iran and the people in afghanistan, pakistan, yemen are animals who are stuck in the 7th century who have no concept of freedom and everything that goes with it. we should have never been there this long. we should have gone there oct 2001, carpet bomb the whole place and left on nove. of 2001 and we should have built a a military post there and this nor allow anyone in and out of the country.
M

Asscrackistan has always been the place where empires have gone to die.

The time for us to leave this sewer was yesterday.

These moslemites will be trumpeting to the world how they 'chased' the United States out of their country! The killing will continue. To allow for even a New York minute these followers of mohammad's god allah to crow like this signals the United States has been defeated militarily AND politically.

They wouldn't crow so loud if the American and Allied departure from Afghanistan was accompanied by
1/ a total cessation of all non-Muslim jizya aka 'aid' to Afghanistan

2/ a trade embargo (they do sell a few things)

3/ a complete cessation of diplomatic relations (that is, the USA, Australia, Canada, UK, and other free 'western' countries that currently have diplomatic reps in Afghanistan, would close their embassies **and would require all Afghan diplomatic reps on OUR soil to pack their bags and shut up shop and head home to Afghanistan forthwith**

and 4/ last but not least, ALL Afghan Muslim persons who have flooded into western countries claiming to be 'refugees' and 'asylum seekers', were... returned to Afghanistan. Imagine if every Afghan Muslim male currently causing trouble in Greece - they have a *million* or so illegal immigrants, mostly Muslim males, and many of them Afghan Muslims - were simply rounded up and packed off back to Afghanistan post haste...

One would begin by sending back all the Afghan Muslim illegal immigrants and 'asylum seekers'. Then all those who had only gotten residency; beginning with those who, on investigation, could be shown to have lied or committed fraud of some kind in their applications. Similarly, those who'd gained citizenship of western countries: examine *how they got in*, examine how they got that citizenship, and see just how many had something sus about them. And then: every Afghan-Muslim-background person who was caught committing major crime, and in particular, practising or attempting to practise or advocating the practice of all those many aspects of sharia that are illegal and indeed downright criminal in Western lands - such as polygyny, forced/ child marriage, wife-beating, 'honor' murder, and the killing of 'apostates' and 'blasphemers'; if they're caught doing any of this, strip them of their citizenship and send them back to the Hell-Pit they came from.

In other words, apply the Principle of Reciprocity. They don't want our soldiers, or indeed any non-Muslim, to be on their turf? - fine. But that means that *we* get to reciprocate: *we* don't want any of *their* soldiers - all those Afghan Mohammedan males of military age who've been flooding into our countries over the past twenty/ thirty years - on *our* turf, so we'll send *them* packing...

That's the way it would be, if our politicians had any sense...

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