Muslim writer blames Jews for the violence in Islamic theology

Who else? Murad Ali Baig knows that the Jews are, according to the Qur'an, the worst enemies of the Muslims (cf. 5:82). Of course, the Jews might have put that passage in as well. You never know what those Zionist black arts can accomplish!

"The burden of history," by Murad Ali Baig in the Hindustan Times, October 21 (thanks to all who sent this in):

On October 9, Malala Yusufzai, 14, was shot by the Taliban for promoting education among girls. On September 9, the US ambassador to Libya was killed by extremists protesting against a film that allegedly insulted the Prophet. Such acts of crime are not allowed in the Koran or Hadis, the most-sacred sources of Islamic law. Both say little on blasphemy, heresy or sacrilege, issues that seem to upset Muslims today. Naturally, very few dare to question the scriptural authority when Muslim clerics themselves pronounce the death sentences. But such actions are against the wishes of the Prophet who said: "… anyone who sets another… even an ant… on fire commits the greatest sin and is destined to the fires of Hell".

The Koran does not contain a legal code and most of the legal injunctions were to regularise pre-Islamic tribal customs. After the death of Muhammad in 632 CE, the Islamic polity changed fundamentally: the civil and religious order expanded beyond Arabia to create a huge Arab-Islamic imperial caliphate.

As Islam became an urban movement, it became difficult for the caliphs to administer their complex, multi-cultural realms without mosques, centres of learning, bureaucracies and other institutions essential for governance. Islamic law had to evolve continuously with changing social and economic pressures during the period of the Ummayids, Abbasids, the Caliphs of Cordoba, the Seljuks and Turks and finally during the years of decline after the rise of the European nations.

The main source of Islamic authority was the Koran and Hadis but many new laws were derived from the Jewish Torah, which was later included in the 104 holy books of Islam. One of its five books is the Book of Leviticus that covers Jewish law.

This book, belonging to an era when small bands of Jews were oppressed, lists all 'The Lord's' laws that are harsh and has many prohibitions concerning circumcision, food, suppression of women and lists draconian punishments like death by stoning, burning, strangulation and beheading for a long list of offences, including adultery, worshipping other gods, blasphemy, witchcraft, homosexuality, bestiality, etc.

By contrast to Yahweh, the angry god of the Jews, the Allah of Muhammad was a merciful god. Some scholars believe that many Jews who had converted to the triumphant Islam were probably responsible for fusing Jewish laws into the evolving Islamic tradition after the 10th century.

If this were remotely true and not just churned out to throw sand in the eyes of the kuffar, then there would be a movement within Islam to jettison the death penalty for adultery, apostasy, etc. But there isn't.

This may explain why the laws of the Prophet and the laws of the later Islamic clerics are different. Muhammad had, for instance, prescribed 100 lashes for a woman who committed adultery, which was much milder than stoning her to death as was the later practice.

Actually, numerous hadiths depict Muhammad enjoining stoning. Here are a few. The caliph Umar, according to Islamic tradition one of Muhammad's closest companions, even maintained that it was originally in the Qur'an:

'Umar said, "I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, "We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book," and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajam be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession." Sufyan added, "I have memorized this narration in this way." 'Umar added, "Surely Allah's Apostle carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him." (Bukhari, vol. 8, bk. 82, no. 816)

"Allah's Apostle" is, of course, Muhammad, who did indeed carry out stonings. Here is the hadith in which he challenges the rabbis about stoning, and in which there is amidst the barbarism and brutality a final act of love and compassion:

The Jews came to Allah's Apostle and told him that a man and a woman from amongst them had committed illegal sexual intercourse. Allah's Apostle said to them, "What do you find in the Torah (old Testament) about the legal punishment of Ar-Rajm (stoning)?" They replied, (But) we announce their crime and lash them." Abdullah bin Salam said, "You are telling a lie; Torah contains the order of Rajm." They brought and opened the Torah and one of them solaced his hand on the Verse of Rajm and read the verses preceding and following it. Abdullah bin Salam said to him, "Lift your hand." When he lifted his hand, the Verse of Rajm was written there. They said, "Muhammad has told the truth; the Torah has the Verse of Rajm. The Prophet then gave the order that both of them should be stoned to death. ('Abdullah bin 'Umar said, "I saw the man leaning over the woman to shelter her from the stones." (Bukhari, vol. 4, bk. 56, no. 829)

Even the monkeys practiced stoning, according to another hadith:

During the pre-lslamic period of ignorance I saw a she-monkey surrounded by a number of monkeys. They were all stoning it, because it had committed illegal sexual intercourse. I too, stoned it along with them. (Bukhari, vol. 5, bk. 58, no. 188)

Muhammad's example is, of course, normative for Islamic behavior, since "verily in the messenger of Allah ye have a good example for him who looketh unto Allah and the Last Day, and remembereth Allah much" (Qur'an 33:21).

The article goes on:

Similarly, the Jewish laws of that time regarding blasphemy, heresy and apostasy, not found in the Koran, are now pronounced even by small town clerics. The bigoted mullahs do not also seem to understand that these ancient laws can be misused by the enemies of Islam to cause death and disturbance.

These are not Jewish laws. They are Islamic laws rooted in hadiths that Muslim scholars consider authentic.

It is now necessary to educate the Muslims, who memorise the Koran in Arabic (a language they do not understand) making them vulnerable to bigots who give their own distorted interpretations. For peace, leading Islamic scholars must use the media to explain the words of the Prophet and not the draconian injunctions of a repressive outdated law.
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If there was a consensus among the umma that such an absurd revelation were true, Muslims should allow Jewish scholars to make such corrections in the Islamic trilogy.

Interesting how the words of the Quran are attributed to Mohamed through the angel Gabriel from Allah and thus are considered pure for all time and cannot be abrogated. The more I read the Quran, I can find more passages that have some similarities to the New Testament of Jesus Christ then that of the old testament with the exception of the violence.

So, are adulterers being stoned in present-day Israel?

If Jews are not following ancient Jewish law, why are the Moslems?

Amazing! ALLAH can be influenced by the Jews to change his word.

What revisionist history!!1 Muslims always lie and put blame on others for their own death cult's hate mongering.

>"By contrast to Yahweh, the angry god of the Jews, the Allah of Muhammad was a merciful god.others for their own death cult's so called laws."

Right, Mo/allah the god of Muslim is a "merciful" god!!! This has to be a joke that this clown in India is cracking on others!! If mo/allah is so merciful why does he order Muslims to kill Jews, Christians and all other non-Muslims if they don't convert and pray to him?? Why does allah believe in terrorizing all non-Muslims? Merciful, my foot!! As I said Muslims are delusional - doesn't matter where they comes from Arabia, India or Timbaktu!

>"During the pre-lslamic period of ignorance I saw a she-monkey surrounded by a number of monkeys. They were all stoning it, because it had committed illegal sexual intercourse. I too, stoned it along with them. (Bukhari, vol. 5, bk. 58, no. 188)"

This is hysterical, monkeys following Mo/allah's commanfd or vice versa. May be Muslims learned stoning from the monkeys. Who aping who??/ Ha, ha, ...

Muslim writer blames Jews for the violence in Islamic theology

I wrote a post a while back that said it was the Jews who invented Islam to hold back Arab development. I was, of course, joking. But, whaddya know, these clowns must've read it and thought there might be something in it. :))

Honestly, there's nothing too bizarre for these clowns!

Muslim writer blames Jews for the violence in Islamic theology
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Those damn Joooooooooos! They're to blame for everything! sarc/off

"The burden of history," by Murad Ali Baig in the Hindustan Times, October 21 (thanks to all who sent this in):

On October 9, Malala Yusufzai, 14, was shot by the Taliban for promoting education among girls. On September 9, the US ambassador to Libya was killed by extremists protesting against a film that allegedly insulted the Prophet. Such acts of crime are not allowed in the Koran or Hadis, the most-sacred sources of Islamic law. Both say little on blasphemy, heresy or sacrilege, issues that seem to upset Muslims today. Naturally, very few dare to question the scriptural authority when Muslim clerics themselves pronounce the death sentences. But such actions are against the wishes of the Prophet who said: "… anyone who sets another… even an ant… on fire commits the greatest sin and is destined to the fires of Hell".
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What *utter crap*. According to the Qur'an, the Hadiths, and the Sira (biography of the "Prophet"), Muhammed regularly had his critics assassinated—even when they were old ladies and nursing mothers.

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The main source of Islamic authority was the Koran and Hadis but many new laws were derived from the Jewish Torah, which was later included in the 104 holy books of Islam. One of its five books is the Book of Leviticus that covers Jewish law.

This book, belonging to an era when small bands of Jews were oppressed, lists all 'The Lord's' laws that are harsh and has many prohibitions concerning circumcision, food, suppression of women and lists draconian punishments like death by stoning, burning, strangulation and beheading for a long list of offences, including adultery, worshipping other gods, blasphemy, witchcraft, homosexuality, bestiality, etc.
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What a completely retarded argument.

In that case, why aren't Jews—and Christians—stoning women in the streets? Why aren't they killing those who render graven images? Why aren't people being executed under "Blasphemy" laws here?

Why is Jewish Israel—and the Christian (or "post Christian") nations of the West—civilized polities, while Dar-al-Islam is replete with bloody, chaotic sh*tholes due to Shari'ah?

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By contrast to Yahweh, the angry god of the Jews, the Allah of Muhammad was a merciful god. Some scholars believe that many Jews who had converted to the triumphant Islam were probably responsible for fusing Jewish laws into the evolving Islamic tradition after the 10th century.
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Bwahahahahaha! See—Islam was fine until the perfidious Joooooos got their hands on it!

This is why Islam is so f*cked—even someone who appears to be disgusted with the barbarity of Shari'ah cannot bring himself to criticize Islam or the "Prophet" in any way.

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If this were remotely true and not just churned out to throw sand in the eyes of the kuffar, then there would be a movement within Islam to jettison the death penalty for adultery, apostasy, etc. But there isn't.
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Of course not.

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This may explain why the laws of the Prophet and the laws of the later Islamic clerics are different. Muhammad had, for instance, prescribed 100 lashes for a woman who committed adultery, which was much milder than stoning her to death as was the later practice.
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What absolute crap. There are Hadiths that detail Muhammed having women stoned to death for adultery.

Moreover, there is an infamous Hadith that shows pious Muslims chastising Jews for *not* stoning an adulterous couple.

The Muslims *themselves* then stone the Jewish couple to death.

Incidentally, this contains the *only* tender passage in all of the Islamic texts, where the Jewish man tries—in vain—to protect his lover from the stones with his own body.

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Actually, numerous hadiths depict Muhammad enjoining stoning. Here are a few. The caliph Umar, according to Islamic tradition one of Muhammad's closest companions, even maintained that it was originally in the Qur'an:

'Umar said, "I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, "We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book," and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed.
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Yeah—like this guy...

Two observations I will make.

1/ In the Quran, beating of wives not for anything they have done, but on the basis of the husband merely 'fearing' that they *might* be rebellious, is prescribed: Surah 4: 34.

Whereas: neither in any part of the TaNaKh nor in any part of the Gospels is wife-beating - a man's hitting or hurting his wife - *ever* commanded, or condoned.

Corporal punishment of children is mentioned, yes; but corporal punishment of the wife? - NEVER.

And the historical portions of the TaNaKh, what Christians call the Old Testament, do not show *any* of the historic Biblical heroes, patriarchs, prophets or kings beating the wife. *Sarah* beats her maid Hagar; but Abraham does not lay a finger on either woman.

SO; Jewish texts - NO command to beat wives, nor any *example* of wife-beating.

Muslim text - QURAN - says, 'beat them'.

2/ punishment for theft.

In the TaNaKh, the punishment prescribed for a thief is that he must pay back what he stole...with something extra on top (almost as if the stolen item is being reclassified as a loan, to be paid back, with interest).

In the *New Testament*, Saint Paul counsels that the penitent thief should work *with his hands*, so that he may support himself, and have something left over to share with the needy. (I'd say St Paul takes it for granted that this is *after* the thief has returned what he stole, or else paid back the equivalent).

Whereas, by contrast, **in the Quran**, it is set down that the hand of the thief must be...cut off. Thus, by the way, the Quranic rule *prevents* the thief from turning over a new leaf and becoming a productive citizen, condemning him to life as a crippled beggar.

Just those two contrasting items show that the violence and vengeful, harsh mindset of the Quran is all its own work.

Excellent post, DDA. The savagery of Islam owes virtually nothing to Jewish and Christian scripture. In fact, much Jewish and Christian scripture directly contradicts Islamic barbarism.

I believe this article goes to show how pernicious Islam is, even for those Muslims who obviously feel some unease with its savagery, because their entire world view is poisoned by what Hugh Fitzgerald used to call the "atmospherics" of Islam. And none of those "atmospherics" runs deeper than unreasoning hatred of the Jews.

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