Pakistani columnist: Don't blame the Taliban, blame Islam

Kunwar Khuldune Shahid is quite wrong when he says: "Every single religion has a violent streak. Every single one of them orders violence and killing in one form or the other for the ‘non-believers’." Islam is unique in that regard. However, the rest of this piece is amazingly honest, and all the more extraordinary for having appeared in a Pakistani publication.

"Don’t blame the Taliban," by Kunwar Khuldune Shahid in Pakistan Today, October 12 (thanks to Kisan):

Let’s call a spade a spade instead

The Malala incident is déjà vu times million. You have religious ‘extremists’ manifesting brutality; the ‘educated’ class calls the act heinous, the ‘intellectuals’ label the offenders as beasts, the ‘liberals’ protest against the ‘cowardly act’ and while everyone is condemning the act, they remain shushed about the root cause of it all: the ideology. Throughout the past every single person who has denounced the Taliban has acted as an apologetic, justifying the religious ideology and claiming how those ‘uneducated morons’ have ‘unfortunately’ misinterpreted the teachings of peace and tranquility – no, they haven’t, ‘unfortunately’.

It is so painfully amusing to note how the ‘moderates’ and armchair revolutionaries, would sit there with a glass of vine in their hands, uninhibitedly hanging out with the opposite sex, not having offered a prayer or fasted for ages, claiming how the Taliban – who lead their lives strictly according to the Shariah – are infesting their religion of harmony. The poor chaps are only doing what their scriptures – the ones that the pseudo intellectuals extol, or don’t have the cojones to criticize – tell them to do. When you are being taught, through the scriptures that are universally recognized by the followers as ‘authentic’, that all the non-believers or threats to the grandeur of your ideology should be killed, you will kill them, where is the misinterpretation here?

Finding slaves or slave girls, repulsive; physically assaulting women, disgusting; cutting off hands for theft, inhuman; stoning people to death, beastly and then venerating the ideology that permits this at the same time is hypocrisy of the very highest order. You sit there, criticize and mock the Taliban that follow your religion in its true form while you live in oblivion with your extremely palatable, but simultaneously blatantly fallacious, brand of religion and then claim that the Taliban are misinterpreting and misapprehending your ideology? Oh, the irony.

Let’s stop carving out quasi religions, or defending ideologies that we’ve all grown up blindly following as the truth. Let’s call a spade a spade instead and realize that at the end of the day as much as you might have a cardiac arrest admitting it, the root cause of religious extremism is: religion – especially in its raw crude form, which again is the only ‘authentic’ form.

Every single religion has a violent streak. Every single one of them orders violence and killing in one form or the other for the ‘non-believers’. One can quote verses from every holy scripture depicting loathe and despise for anyone who doesn’t believe in the said scripture and its propagator. Sure, those scriptures would have the occasional fit of peace as well, but that only springs into the open when it is recognized as the only supreme authority. Every religion is a ‘religion of peace’ as long as it formulates the status quo; there is no concept of ideological symbiosis in any religion. When a tyrannical regime or dictator calls for peace with the condition that they would reign supreme we label them as oppressors, but when this is done in the name of religion we tout it as maneuvers of ‘harmony’.

The Taliban have defended the attack on Malala Yousafzai through scriptures and historic precedents. You can clamor all you want about how there is a lack of understanding on the part of the Taliban, but how on earth can you refute clear messages of violence and historical evidence – scribed by historians of your faith – depicting brutality on the part of some of the most illustrious people in the history of the religion? It is easy to launch vitriol against the Taliban for attacking a 14-year-old girl, but it is also equally hypocritical and pathetic when you eulogize people from your history who did the same in the past, who massacred masses, destroyed lands, pulverized places of worship, raped women, just because they ostensibly did it in the name of your religion. Don’t blame the Taliban for following their lead, don’t blame the Taliban for using violence as a means to cement religious superiority – something that has been done for centuries – don’t blame the Taliban for the fact that you don’t have the guts to call a spade a spade even though it has been spanking your backside for centuries now.

The fact that groups like Tehreek-e-Taliban-Pakistan and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi exist is because Islam is still traversing its Dark Ages while other religions have gone through Reformation, resulting in a collective Renaissance – and that too half a millennium ago. None of the religion in its crude form can work in this day and age, and instead of taking the easy route and scorning at those that follow religious teachings in its original form, the more logical approach would be to accept the truth.

If you’re acknowledging Islam as the supreme authority, you have no grounds for hauling coals over Zia-ul-Haq for implementing laws from the Shariah, you have no grounds for attacking Mumtaz Qadri or feeling sorry for Salmaan Taseer who clearly spoke against the blasphemy law, you have no grounds for lauding Dr Abdul Salaam as a national asset who belonged to a sect that clearly defies Islamic teachings, and yes, you have no grounds for blaming the Taliban.

It’s time our ‘thinkers’ stopped taking the easy way out and finally picked a side. You either follow a religion in its true form or you’re irreligious. The Taliban know which side they are on. Do you?

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"Every single religion has a violent streak. Every single one of them orders violence and killing in one form or the other for the ‘non-believers’"---

Psycho projection and ignorance right there but the rest is spot on... you know why? 'Taliban' means students-rigorous- of Islam. How could rigorous students of Islam get Islam so wrong?. ¿How could students of Islam be misunderstanders of Islam? it's oxymoronic!.

Also, Kunwar Khuldune Shahid is gonna be next on the hit-list of peaceful members of the peaceful religion of peace.... for being an "islamophobe", of course!.

"Kunwar Khuldune Shahid is quite wrong when he says: "Every single religion has a violent streak. Every single one of them orders violence and killing in one form or the other for the ‘non-believers’." Islam is unique in that regard."

Actually, he is right, and that is the fundamental reason that the West is incapable of identifying our enemies and actually defeating them, why Bush (and many others), for instance, called (call) Islam a "religion of peace."

"Since the fundamental question of ethics is how to define the good, there is nothing outside of ethics which precludes the view that virtue is achievable by force. If, for example, the good is a world that heeds God's will and reflects God's presence, then it is virtuous to prevent - by force, if necessary - the distribution of pornography or the drinking of alcohol or the preaching of atheism. One cannot exhort people to have blind faith in a being beyond their comprehension, and then insist that freedom - which means the right to act on the judgment of the mind - is a prerequisite. A moral code that urges man to surrender his mind to a higher authority is irreconcilable with the principles that man ought to live his life by his own thinking. If unquestioning obedience is a virtue, freedom of thought and action cannon be a right.

"If prayer is a duty one is obliged to perform - if, that is, the act of praying in intrinsically good, without any demonstrable connection to one's knowledge or interests - why shouldn't one be compelled to go though the motions, if that is supposed to bring greater glory to God? How many "sinners" throughout history have been forced to "repent" - indeed, how many have been tortured and killed - in order to save their souls and to please God? Of what relevance is the victim's lack of consent, under this concept of the good?

"But most secular codes of morality, too, are in conflict with freedom. If the good is an egalitarian society, for example, then it is virtuous to expropriate the wealth of the rich and give it to the poor. If the good is that which gives the greatest pleasure to the greatest number, then it is virtuous to kill off some minority of "undesirables," if the majority so wishes. If the good is the melding of the individual's unreal self into the collective, organic whole of humanity, then it is virtuous to establish a totalitarian state.

"The evil of the initiation of force lies in the fact that it is the negation of the mind of the individual. It makes the victim act not by the mandates of his independent perception, but by the dictates of a loaded gun. Only to the extent, therefore, that reason is a virtue can force be a vice. But to uphold reason as a virtue requires a very specific code of morality. It requires a morality which recognizes that human survival depends at root upon the use of the mind and which, as a result, holds rationality as the cardinal virtue. Under this approach, physical force - the obliterator of the very possibility of reason - is anti-life and is immoral. And liberty, the absence of force, is then indeed a prerequisite for virtue.

"But if reason is not a moral value, if virtue is based on dogmatically asserted duties or on subjectively asserted desires, then human understanding is irrelevant - is, in fact, an obstacle - to morality. Which means not only that there are no grounds for barring force in human relations, but that force becomes indispensable in obtaining compliance with unprovable moral imperatives. For without reason, how can communication and the resolution of disagreements ever take place, except by resort to fists and bullets?" -- Peter Schwartz, "Libertarianism: The Perversion of Liberty"

All religions create religious supremacist bigots...But not all RSB's are equal...some are more dangerous than others...Bigotry and supremacy are married...They are based on, 'I am right', and 'you are not'...But often the bigot is correct, and the bigot is justified in his bigotry...Nearly everyone posting here is a bigot because you reject Islam and say so and why...And I thank you for it...We need more bigotry like that...
Islamic bigotry advocates and carries out violent attacks...It oppresses women, and children and cannot stand one iota of criticism without going berserk in a frenzy of riot and atrocity...Islamic Religious supremacist bigotry creates mental instability and savagery...Bigotry against it is called for...

The 'good' Tolstoy 1894...'The good cannot seek power nor retain it, to do that, men must love power, and love of power has the opposite qualities of goodness, pride, cunning and cruelty'...
If Tolstoy was right, there are no good people in charge anywhere...only no good people are in charge...No wonder things are so messed up...

"Yes, this is an age of moral crisis. Yes, you are bearing punishment for your evil. But it is not man who is now on trial and it is not human nature that will take the blame. It is your moral code that's through, this time.Your moral code has reached its climax, the blind alley at the end of its course. And if you wish to go on living, what you now need is not to return to morality—you who have never known any—but to discover it." — Ayn Rand (Galt's Speech, Atlas Shrugged)

Some of the comments on the Pakistan Today article are enlightening:

Azizullah Chaudhry · 2 days ago (rating: +26)
"I congratulate you for having the courage to call a spade a spade."

Maham Khan · 1 day ago (rating: +16)
"Wow! Oh this is so brilliant and brave. The hate messages are understandable. But I'm left speechless. This is what our country needs to know and accept. Take a bow sir!"

Truth Seeker · 1 day ago (rating: +8)
"@SHA

"First I'd like to let you know that I consider myself a Muslim and that in the grand scheme of things our interaction on this blog is trivial. However on a personal level it is significant, atleast for me.

I accept what you have said, and agree that my conclusion is presumptuous.

Taking that line of reasoning, what makes you conclude that the TTP haven't 'introspected' and come to an altogether different conclusion?

Courtesy is a two way street. We Muslims demand and expect courtesy from non Muslims, yet our book clearly calls non Muslims creatures that are worse than animals. Where is the courtesy here? Could you please explain in what context this verse is meant to be applied?

I'm not trolling. Genuinely seeking."

And many other comments are in a similar spirit... Are (some) Pakistanis finally starting to wake up??

This man needs to meet the carpenter from Galilee, who submitted to the torture stake rather than striking back. He did it for all of us out of love. Anyone who uses His name to commit violence is not acting in His spirit. That certainly cannot be said of the founder of Islam.

Under Islam, even this muted criticism will draw a death penalty. So much for peace. You will know them by their fruit.

Well then, Paul, what's to complain about as people submit to torture and violence at the hand of Islam (or any other religion)?

Let us love our enemies and turn the other cheek?

You've made the man's point.

Islam (or any other religion)?

What religions might those be?

Wicked little speech - clearly written to skirt Pakistan's blasphemy laws!!

The Left on this side of the world wouldn't like to hear this!!

This would be blasphemy!

    while you live in oblivion with your extremely palatable, but simultaneously blatantly fallacious, brand of religion and then claim that the Taliban are misinterpreting and misapprehending your ideology?

This quote points to the 'two' Islams in the west. For convenience purposes - the parts which we find unpalatable - are not the 'true Islam'! And anyone who says otherwise is accused of 'racism' and 'hate speech' and there should even be limits on free speech - to protect this idea.


    Finding slaves or slave girls, repulsive

This is prevalent in both Egypt and Pakistan - with Christian and Hindu girls - where the state aids and abets in the practice.

[In Egypt you sign your abducted crying daughter over at the police-station to her kidnapper - and whether or not you sign - you would be arrested for trying to retrieve her!]

Muslims have turned a blind eye to this and the western Left who are fervently behind "Islam" along with them.

Call it the cozy mirage!!


    cutting off hands for theft, inhuman

This is where we move into the "open to interpretation" sphere in Islam!! Think Twilight Zone! There is nothing real about it.


    Let’s stop carving out quasi religions

Possibly those at Salon would have a heart-attack first - on reading this. They have a map of their 'enemies of Islam' clearly marked out - apostates and all.


    Every single religion has a violent streak.

This is a quite interesting comment - because this is part of the reasoning behind Muslims either preparing for or going to war with 'all' non-believers -

One recent example - in Syria - with the revolution - the local jihadists entered a church - and asked where do they store their weapons!!

Which is similar to PM Erdogan's statement - The Mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, minarets our bayonets and the faithful are our soldiers.

With this understanding - it is reasonable to assume that every other religion is preparing for war against us too!!

Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Christians are all fair game - they are trying to attack us!!

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He brings home the reality of 'Islam' - he talks about Pakistan's protected insular elite - living as they choose - not bound by the same rules as those in rural or tribal regions - under Sharia.

We have the same issues here - we have Muslims who wish to turn our streets and shopping centers - into Pakistan's ungoverned areas.

Combined with those in position mainly on the Left - hurling every kind of personal insult - at expressing concern or doubt about Islam - an ideology.

We would otherwise be silenced by their personal attacks - except based on their - 'two Islams' theory - they wish to implement Islamic laws here too - the same laws which keep the Islamic world in stasis and has led many there, to seek out a better life here - in the 'free world'.

Demarcation - Free world or Free Zone and we don't tinker with it for a reason!

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Reformation.

Muslims believe in fairy-tales. They want their leaders to control everything - while they sit back and it is all taken care of.

When fundamental rights are forbidden - and anyone calling for reforms to the religion-political order - commits blasphemy - then you have, as they have had - a lot of dead reformers.


Which bugles the mind why the west first Europe / now Obama in particular would try to empower it. Islam should be dismantled - in its political and military forms.

It is clear by the removed elite in Pakistan - and across the Muslim world - that a lot of people want to go free.

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    Don’t blame the Taliban for following their lead, don’t blame the Taliban for using violence as a means to cement religious superiority – something that has been done for centuries –

The flawed 'few jihadists' concept.

On youtube - the Sharia4UK leader was talking about the same thing. That it never took that many jihadist to take Indonesia and he was naming off the countries...

Not everyone has the killer instinct - that they can summon at will.

Over the centuries jihadists - have won Muslims their territories. Indeed Muhammad expressed dismay when he saw some of his men were reluctant to rape [have intercourse with captive women in front of their husbands who were non-believers and Koran verse 4:24 came from this command to rape]. And so this suppressed humane force, spread out from Spain to India and down to parts of Africa.

And the wealth, influence and knowledge - from different schools of thought meeting - under Islamic occupation - and the advancements that followed - were destroyed the same way they were gained. Islam's own restrictions.

That which still plagues them today.

~ The 7th century wrestle!


They are in a position - which no one can help them - but themselves.

At the same time - we must guard - our societies against similar incursions.

That with power of its Arabian Nights Tales - has a knack for toppling powerful empires.


Muslims are for the most part - nice people - bringing some bad ideas!!

@John Shepard

"Nearly everyone posting here is a bigot because you reject Islam and say so and why...And I thank you for it...We need more bigotry like that..."---

Being intolerant of intolerance, that's the correct way to put it.

"Are (some) Pakistanis finally starting to wake up??"---

Non-taqiyya muslims are a rare breed, prob 2 or 3 in a million.

I'm sorry, Meryl Petkoff, but I do not get your point, given the quote.

It was not I who said, "Nearly everyone posting here is a bigot because you reject Islam and say so and why...And I thank you for it...We need more bigotry like that..."

"Kunwar Khuldune Shahid is quite wrong when he says: "Every single religion has a violent streak. Every single one of them orders violence and killing in one form or the other for the ‘non-believers’." Islam is unique in that regard."

Why quibble. What he probably meant was that most religions have a history of violence. Violence carried out in the name of the religion, (Christians would argue wrongly in their case).

He writes "The fact that groups like Tehreek-e-Taliban-Pakistan and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi exist is because Islam is still traversing its Dark Ages while other religions have gone through Reformation, resulting in a collective Renaissance – and that too half a millennium ago." He is right there.

"If you’re acknowledging Islam as the supreme authority, you have no grounds for hauling coals over Zia-ul-Haq for implementing laws from the Shariah, you have no grounds for attacking Mumtaz Qadri or feeling sorry for Salmaan Taseer who clearly spoke against the blasphemy law, you have no grounds for lauding Dr Abdul Salaam as a national asset who belonged to a sect that clearly defies Islamic teachings, and yes, you have no grounds for blaming the Taliban.

It’s time our ‘thinkers’ stopped taking the easy way out and finally picked a side. You either follow a religion in its true form or you’re irreligious. The Taliban know which side they are on. Do you?"

We need people like this brave guy.

And Meryl Petkoff "Non-taqiyya muslims are a rare breed, prob 2 or 3 in a million."

I'm sorry but I disagree. Irreligous Muslims number in their Millions - they deserve our support.

"Kunwar Khuldune Shahid is quite wrong when he says: "Every single religion has a violent streak. Every single one of them orders violence and killing in one form or the other for the ‘non-believers’." Islam is unique in that regard."

Why quibble. What he probably meant was that most religions have a history of violence. Violence carried out in the name of the religion, (Christians would argue wrongly in their case).

He writes "The fact that groups like Tehreek-e-Taliban-Pakistan and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi exist is because Islam is still traversing its Dark Ages while other religions have gone through Reformation, resulting in a collective Renaissance – and that too half a millennium ago." He is right there.

"If you’re acknowledging Islam as the supreme authority, you have no grounds for hauling coals over Zia-ul-Haq for implementing laws from the Shariah, you have no grounds for attacking Mumtaz Qadri or feeling sorry for Salmaan Taseer who clearly spoke against the blasphemy law, you have no grounds for lauding Dr Abdul Salaam as a national asset who belonged to a sect that clearly defies Islamic teachings, and yes, you have no grounds for blaming the Taliban.

It’s time our ‘thinkers’ stopped taking the easy way out and finally picked a side. You either follow a religion in its true form or you’re irreligious. The Taliban know which side they are on. Do you?"

We need people like this brave guy.

And Meryl Petkoff "Non-taqiyya muslims are a rare breed, prob 2 or 3 in a million."

I'm sorry but I disagree. Irreligous Muslims number in their Millions - they deserve our support.

PS The double post happens with me - not my fault - something to do with Jihadwatch

"Islam (or any other religion)?

What religions might those be?"

I hope that you and others will read and think about the article by Dr. Peikoff's which I recommend previously: "Religion vs. America."

To expand on that recommendation, here are a couple of other, relevant articles:

"End States Who Sponsor Terrorism" also by Dr. Peikoff
'“Just War Theory” vs. American Self-Defense' by Yaron Brook and Alex Epstein

The difference between Christianity today (as one example in answer to your question) and Islam today is, as the author, Kunwar Khuldune Shahid, said, "Islam is still traversing its Dark Ages while other religions have gone through Reformation."

But for the "wall of separation" between church and state in the West, we would still be in the Dark Ages, a period when religion did dominate the West. The credit for that "wall of separation" does not belong to Christianity (or religion as such), and if Christianity, for example, has its way in the West, there will be another Dark Age, and for who knows how long.

The war with Islam is intellectual and physical. The "war" with other religions (Christianity and Judaism, for example, in answer to your question), with religion as such as opposed to Islam in particular, is primarily intellectual and political. But this will not be seen or understood if it is held that the West is fundamentally rooted in religion. Instead, Christians will view it as a war of one religion versus another religion, of Islam versus Christianity. The actual war is religion versus Western Civilization.

The appeasement by the West to Islam, as in statements that Islam is a "religion of peace" as well as our fighting in accord with the "just war theory," is due to the fact that a religion cannot condemn another religion for being a religion. In accord with Christian principles, the West is turning the other cheek and loving (sacrificing) its enemies, aiding and abetting Islam in its war with the West.

Perhaps it si the first time I can agree to a Muslim's writing somewhat though he bitched up by stating "Every single one of them (religions) orders violence and killing in one form or the other for the ‘non-believers"

He has only taken a one step in the foothills of that great big mountain called "the right direction" by attempting to "call a spade a spade". He still got a great big mountain ahead of him to climb - he has to write clearly those savory details about Mo. Until we read clear identifications of and about Mo, I call these kind of articles "pissing in the wind".

"PS The double post happens with me - not my fault - something to do with Jihadwatch"

Are you one of those guys, in case of a car accident you blame the car not the driver?

Wow, I see that Jihad Watchers seem to have fallen asleep at the switch, and allowed anti-Western drivelers like "John Shepard" and "Rich" to commandeer a thread.

The proper position in this regard must contain the following non-negotiable points:

1) A tiny minority of Muslims probably exists who are not dangerous because they won't fanatically follow their own Islam

2) However, even about this minority, we cannot determine which Muslims sincerely are that way, and which are deceiving us for purposes of taqiyya

3) Finally, all religions are not exactly equal -- Islam is astronomically worse than all other religions in history and to flirt with equivalency in this regard is not only silly, foolish, ahistorical and illiterate, it is positively treasonous because it tends to reinforce precisely the meme that continues to impede our rational dealing with the problem of Islam. Even factoring in all the bad stuff Christians did in history, Muslims were a billion times worse -- and all this talk of the "Middle Ages" or "Dark Ages" is obfuscatory crap. As "John Shepard" is tossing out book recommendations by quasi-Chomskyite cranks, I'd advise him to read Those Terrible Middle Ages: Debunking the Myths, by Régine Pernoud -- though he seems to be beyond help. Other readers, however, are not, and would benefit from that sound book.

Dont be silly BlueRaven. It happens with others too. You are mad about what I said, I was a "Christian" or considered myself one till I was about 13 now I am a rationalist, so you attack me for something that is due to the site.

Dont be silly BlueRaven. It happens with others too. You are mad about what I said, I was a "Christian" or considered myself one till I was about 13 now I am a rationalist, so you attack me for something that is due to the site.

"Wow, I see that Jihad Watchers seem to have fallen asleep at the switch, and allowed anti-Western drivelers like "John Shepard" and "Rich" to commandeer a thread."

"As "John Shepard" is tossing out book recommendations by quasi-Chomskyite cranks, I'd advise him to read Those Terrible Middle Ages: Debunking the Myths, by Régine Pernoud -- though he seems to be beyond help. Other readers, however, are not, and would benefit from that sound book."

You, LemonLime, do not know what you're talking about.

And for what it's worth, I've referred/linked directly to articles, not books, articles that are short enough that even one itching to throw around ad hominem denunciations could easily read.

Rich I don't care about what you are. 'Me' think you press the publish button once too often. I didn't see double postings from me yet - though I am on the same thread on JW.

Wait, I got it - there is something in the water.

An article on a Pakistani website "Dawn" about the Taliban shooting of the girl attracted many comments, about 90% of which were handwringers about the peacefulness of Islam and how Mohammed would be so offended at the actions of the Taliban, etc ad nauseum. I put a few comments, polite but naturally pointing out that the Taliban were in accord with Mo's commands and therefore Allah's wishes. All my comments were removed. I was puzzled by the Pakistani comments: after all, they were mostly speaking to each other. Could they really believe the Taliban was being un-Islamic? These people were not illiterate, and they were writing anonymously. Does Islam really do such a job on them that their brains only function at surface level?

@Lemonlime - "Wow, I see that Jihad Watchers seem to have fallen asleep at the switch, and allowed anti-Western drivelers like "John Shepard" and "Rich" to commandeer a thread."

"anti-Western drivelers" - so Lemonlime has the gall to think that he is the keeper of, or representative of, western civilisation?!

Though I agree that not all religions are equally bad and Islam is by far the worst of the lot because of its uncompromising dogma which sets in stone its ideology of world dominance, and discrimination against non-believers, women, apostates etc, its indoctrination machine, "Christianity" today has its teeth pulled out after years of bloody wars.

Besides who do you define as a Christian? When I considered myself one I didnt consider Catholics to be Christian, and they call themselves Catholics or Roman Catholics rather than Christian anyway. As penance the paedophile priest tells the sinful man confessing his naughty deeds to him repeat 10 hail Mary's please -

"Hail Mary, full of grace, Our Lord is with thee..Holy Mary, Mother of God,pray for us sinners,.." (Where does that @#$% come from?)Then he goes off to sin like mad for 6 days to confess on the 7th and be cleansed again.

And Catholics thought "Christians" like me were destined for hell anyway.

These are the keepers and definers of western civilisation? What a joke. The same Church that tried to burn Galileo for saying the Earth was not at the centre of the Universe and it moved around the sun?

Western civilisation is defined by its secular traditions, by its science, by its secular thought of right and wrong (some of it founded on some of the teachings of Jesus) and of human liberties.

You Lemonlime and bigots like you are only the other side of the coin of the Islamic fanatics.

One glaring problem with Peikoff's article linked by commenter "John Shepard" ("End States Who Sponsor Terrorism"), exemplified by two claims therein:

Most of the Mideast is ruled by thugs who would be paralyzed by an American victory over any of their neighbors. Iran, by contrast, is the only major country there ruled by zealots dedicated not to material gain (such as more wealth or territory), but to the triumph by any means, however violent, of the Muslim fundamentalist movement they brought to life. That is why Iran manufactures the most terrorists.

And his approving quote of a Yale historian with a suspicious name, Lamin Sanneh:

"The Muslim fundamentalist movement," writes Yale historian Lamin Sanneh, "began in 1979 with the Iranian [theocratic] revolution . . ."

Jihad Watch is a veritable mountain of data showing this idea -- that the Islam which endangers the world is some kind of invention of Iran beginning in 1979 -- is utter poppycock; and is not only unhelpful, but positively dangerous, for it tries to establish massive horse-blinders and an astonishingly sweeping astigmatism to our ability to see the problem of a global revival of Islam.

@PJG,

I TOO HAD THE SAME FEELING. THEY ARE TAUGHT AN OFFICAL ISLAM,WHERE ALL IS ROSY. TO LEARN MORE GOOGLE FOR 'CAN WE
TALK ?'

PS;MY KB IS MALFUNCTIONING.

I am constantly astonished by the number of people who choose to comment on Christianity. From their comments it is obvious that they don't understand it at all.

There is no violence in Christianity. PERIOD. People who state otherwise fail to separate the practitioner from the religion.

A Christian who commits ANY act of violence has no scriptural authority to blame their act on. NONE

With Islam the opposite is true. True followers can point to innumerable verses to prove and justify their acts.

Throughout the past every single person who has denounced the Taliban has acted as an apologetic, justifying the religious ideology and claiming how those ‘uneducated morons’ have ‘unfortunately’ misinterpreted the teachings of peace and tranquility – no, they haven’t, ‘unfortunately’.

Love this shit.

a bit off topic, but I do happen to know a bit about Lamin Sanneh.

He's not so bad as all that.

He's not a Muslim. He's a very enthusiastic Christian of West African background - who used to be a Muslim.

He's not PC insofar as he - originally from Africa - has quite a bit to say in praise of the Christian missionary effort in Africa.

One of his major themes - to judge from what I've been able to find out about his work - is, in fact, the radical contrast between the way that Christianity has conducted its mission - respecting local languages and translating its scriptures, thus 'going native' whilst also transforming and redeeming peoples and their culture; and the way that relentlessly Arabocentric Islam has spread - by *erasing* and then Arabising native languages and cultures. (In that latter observation, Sanneh concurs with V S Naipaul and Anwar Shaikh, on Islam as Arabising its converts).

Sanneh explores - and one gets the sense he revels in, and invites others to revel in and admire - the multiple ways in which Christianity is and always has been a 'translated message'.

This again contrasts, of course, with the Mohammedan disdain for translation - there are, of course, translations of the Quran, but Muslims still sniffily insist (we've all seen them doing it, from time to time, right here in this forum) that only the classical Arabic Quran is the *real* McCoy; that if you can't pray in Arabic and read the Quran in Arabic, you're not quite as good as someone who *can*.

So he (Sanneh) may be getting Iran wrong, but he is on the right track on other subjects Let's put it this way: anyone who reads him will get a good sense of some of the important ways in which Christianity *differs* from Islam, and not only that, the ways in which Christianity is simply *better* than Islam. And those who know *that*, will be less inclined to get tricked by 'moral equivalence' games.

So Rich we can take it that you don`t like Catholics and you believe all Rc clergy are paedophiles. You obviously know nothing about the meaning of Confession and your stated view is childish and insulting in the extreme.

Well, I just read an extended interview with Lamin Sanneh, and I came away markedly (but unsurprisingly) unimpressed. Example:

[Interviewer asks:] How is the Muslim faith most frequently misunderstood in the West?

[Sanneh answers:] Comparable misunderstandings of Islam in the West include the beliefs that Islam:

is a violent religion that breeds terror;

is intolerant of other religions;

oppresses women;

is a religion of laws and rules rather than of grace;

uses jihad to spread itself;

unites church and state to breed intolerance, fanaticism, and conflict;

restricts revelation to a book instead of to a person;

was founded by a man who used violence as a weapon;

encourages polygamy.

If that isn't sufficient to induce repulsion of this ignoramus, when the interviewer asks Sanneh about the "clash of civilizations", Sanneh answers that there is such a clash, but that:

The challenge now is what to do about it. Continuing conflict is unsustainable and unacceptable, so we have to promote a dialogue of civilizations as the alternative. I am uncertain as to whether the West is prepared to do that if it requires acceptance and commitment to the West's own core values as the basis of encounter.

No. We don't need any more Sannehs active in this world. We already have enough -- too many -- of them (whether Christian, secular, agnostic, atheist, Jewish, Hindu, Persian) poking their well-educated yet grievously illiterate nose where it doesn't belong.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2003/october/35.112.html?order=&start=1

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