Raymond Ibrahim: Egyptian Clinic Treats People with Camel Urine Per Prophet's Advice

Over at FrontPage Mag (via RaymondIbrahim.com) I discuss how, if Muslims, especially the most learned among them, tenaciously cling to Islam's teachings -- even when they defy objective science -- surely they must cling to those other ironclad teachings that deal with "subjective" matters, from freedom of religion and freedom of speech, to hostility, jihad, and subjugation for the infidel.

A recent Egyptian TV program showed how Islamic Sharia law's many prescriptions do not merely clash with modern-day concepts like free speech and religious freedom, but even with medicine and science.

On September 16, popular TV persona Wael El-Ibrashi hosted Dr. Zaghlul al-Naggar, a prominent Islamic thinker and Chairman of Egypt's Committee of Scientific Notions in the Quran, on the topic of medical science and Islam. Inevitably the idea of drinking camel urine as a form of therapy—first proposed in the 7th century by Muslim prophet Muhammad—came up.

Not only did Dr. Naggar promote this practice, but he made the staggering announcement that right now in Egypt a medical center in Marsa Matrouh actually specializes in treating people with camel urine, all in accord with the prophet's advice.

Other Egyptian thinkers joined the show via satellite, including Khaled Montaser (who earlier exposed the Islamic world's "inferiority complex"). At one point, while delineating how science and medicine work, Montaser reminded that urine is where all the body's toxins are carried out, asking "so, shall we drink it for health?" Naggar simply responded with arrogance: "I am older than you and more learned than you: you are not going to teach me; I will teach generations of people like you."

Staunch secularist Sayyid al-Qemany—whose strong support for rationalistic thinking and the separation of religion and state caused Egypt's Islamic establishment to pronounce him an apostate infidel—also joined the show via phone, deploring the very idea that drinking camel urine could heal people.

Referring to Naggar's announcement that there is a clinic specializing in treating people with camel urine as a "catastrophe" that only indicates how far Egypt has sunk, Qemany called on Egyptian health officials to verify if such a medical center truly exists, saying this is a serious issue involving the health of Egypt's citizenry.

Naggar tried to defend the "salutary benefits" of camel urine by arguing that European pharmacies produce a medicine that contains female urine (possibly a reference to HCG). Qemany replied that such medicines are not based on drinking crude urine but are synthetic, exclaiming, "does this mean I should go drink my wife's urine?!"

An exasperated Qemany concluded by offering a compromise. He suggested that Nagger, whose PhD is in geology, should lead an expedition to Mecca and Medina and somehow try to extrapolate the urine of Muslim prophet Muhammad, and use that to heal people instead of camel urine, sarcastically adding, "surely the urine of the prophet—peace and blessings upon him—is better than camel urine?"

Dr. Naggar simply shook his head, saying such talk was inappropriate...

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Objective science:

Muhammad said: "Ajwah dates come from Paradise and they are a remedy for poison"
Sunan al-Tirmidhi, v. 4, p. 401, # 2068 سنن الترمذي

Muhammad followed his own medicinal advice and ate dates on a daily basis.
Bukhari 2.15.73

Guess how did Muhammd die?
Yep, from poison!!!

http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2011/03/muhammads-death.html

In core Islamic texts, Muhammad prescribes milk and camel urine, and has some murderers' hands and feet cut off, and their eyes branded with hot iron

In Sahih al-Bukhari, the most canonical hadith collection:

Volume 1, Book 4, Number 234:

Narrated Abu Qilaba: Anas said, "Some people of 'Ukl or 'Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them. So the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) camels and to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they went as directed and after they became healthy, they killed the shepherd of the Prophet and drove away all the camels. The news reached the Prophet early in the morning and he sent (men) in their pursuit and they were captured and brought at noon. He [Muhammad] then ordered to cut [off] their hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron, They were put in 'Al-Harra' [literally translated by one source as‘the Hot,’ apparently a hot region] and when they asked for water, no water was given to them." Abu Qilaba said, "Those people committed theft and murder, became infidels after embracing Islam and fought against Allah and His Apostle ."

-- Quoting Islam

they showed people drinking camel urine on TV,It was so disgusting ... I really couldn't think of any reason how someone can be that stupid !!!!

"tenaciously cling to Islam's teachings -- even when they defy objective science"

Haha ... Replace Islam with GodX, Y, or Z and that sentence is true for just about every religious person on planet Earth, including most readers here. (you'd probably need more than the English alphabet, though)

Can I mention, virgin birth, resurrection, and irreducible complexity as just a few examples.

oh this is excellent. job opportunity for selling cam-pe. for promotion of such an excellent product,on friday at noon, line up 400 clerics, mullahs, muftis, etc. and give them each a big gulp. (don't tell bloomberg.he might get huffy) "have at it boys!" "down the hatch!" "lets see what YOU can do!" "don't be a quitter!" "are you man enough?!"

if the clerics, mullahs etc, can't cut the mustard and pass out from thier treatment....oh well, no meeting to rile up the locals that friday at the mosques. no problem.

JESUS got MAD at the religious types who forced all sorts of regulations and requirements and demands on the people but WOULD NOT do it themselves!

JESUS "meek and mild" made a WHIP and demonstrated that he knew how to use it! he chased out the money changers and turned over the tables and chased the cattle etc. out of the temple etc. JESUS was a COWBOY! he cleaned up on the BAD relgious leaders. after that, he went back to fishing. and teaching. and preaching....

With "thinking" such as this as an exemplar, I'm sure it will only take the ummah another generation to surpass the Jews in the Nobel Prize department.

:: giggle ::

I think they are right!!! they absolutely should drink camel piss, it can only help them, drink, drink!!!

Camels' urine for what ails you -- damn straight! Recommended by 90% of leading imams!
A couple of glasses per day, plus the morning nose snort, is all any good Moslem needs to remain fit and healthy.

After all, it was recommended by the prophet hisself. So who you gonna believe? The prophet or a bunch of infidel "doctors"?

I wonder: Does the piss come from the camel while it's alive, while being inhumanely (halal) slaughtered, or after being killed?

Check out:

"Oriana Fallaci(1929-2006),Italian Journalist,Atheist and Feminist,who was Anti-Islam,also said she was a Christian Atheist"

http://www.antisharia.com/2011/11/13/oriana-fallaci1929-2006italian-journalist-and-feministwho-was-anti-islamalso-said-she-was-a-christian-atheist/

"In the Koran Allah changes some Jews into Apes for Not Respecting the Sabbath"

http://www.antisharia.com/2011/11/25/in-the-koran-allah-changes-some-jews-into-apes-for-not-respecting-the-sabbath/

Why have you posted that one about Oriana Fallaci? What's your opinion about her/ her views?

You're wrong. The Quran itself, Christianity's worst ennemy, didn't have the balls to deny the virgin birth of Jesus.
As for the Ressurection, check out this video:
"34 thousand billion watts of VUV radiations"

http://crossmuslims.blogspot.ca/2012/04/he-is-risen-il-est-ressuscite.html

Some sharp entrepreneur ought to start a new franchise operation -- suggested name "CamP" -- with shops all across the Moslem world, offering camels' urine in all the variations that Starbucks offers coffee: from one-humped camels, two-humped ones, combined blends, iced, fruit-flavored, spiced, and -- for the good ol' boy Moslems -- a sugared, iced version to be trade-marked SweetPee.

If they want to drink camels urine let them drink. It is so written in the Quran - to you your drink and to me my drink.

Piss be upon them.

Hm. I just thought of a wickedly appropriate variation on "water boarding"...

Meanwhile, Jews work on their 170th Nobel Prize...

Camel urine. A wee tale...
3 weeks ago I sent off for a litre of camel urine. Today my package arrived from Mecca. Can't wait to open it! mmm! Well here goes! Down the hatch! Blaarg! This camel urine tastes like piss! What's this? Complimentary camel dung cookies? Munch, munch. Blaarg and blaarg again! These camel dung cookies taste like Shi'ite! Well that's it. I've had enough of this crap! I'm cancelling my Al Jazeera subscription!

Christianity and Science are compatible. eg No Christians today believe the world is flat. Also historically many scientists were christian. eg Newton.

This Dr. Zaghlul al-Naggar is quite something. And the very title of his 'Egypt's Committee of Scientific Notions in the Quran' says it all.

I looked him up on Wiki, and there's a book by him titled 'The Geological Concepts of Mountains in the Quran'. Wonderful, and written while he was chair of geology at King Fahd University of Petroleum and Minerals in Dhahran, KSA. Makes one wonder how they got any oil up at all.
Apparently his speciality is writing pseudo-scientific books blending the Quran with real objective science, called 'Ijaz Literature'.
The Wiki article rightly concludes: "Ijaz Literature is most certainly not work of true science. It has been a leading cause of diminishing scientific output of Muslim world."

And of course many scientists were Jews. Believing Jews.

"Islamic thinker"
haha hahahah ha ha haha hahahaha

Jesus walks in light and gives life, Muhammed walked in darkness and gave death. One must be blind not to see the truth and which one is absolutely good and which is absolutely evil. Check godresources.org/compare-jesus-muhammad/differences-jesus-muhammad.shtml and y-jesus.com too.

The bible is a compilation of 66 books/letters, written by more than 40 authors, over a period of 1600 years. Buth still it is highly in coherence! See the WONDERFUL GRAPHICS: kiranadepalli.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/coherency-of-the-bible

The books have NO CONTRADICTIONS in practise, see
debate.org.uk/topics/apolog/contrads.htm. And they are AUTHENTIC with high probability, see godandscience.org/apologetics/bibleorg.html

THE WORD PROVES ITSELF TRUE by the fullfilled propechies, see
reasons.org/articles/articles/fulfilled-prophecy-evidence-for-the-reliability-of-the-bible

WE HAVE THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH, no daydreams. No rational and honest person can leave it away.

I really believe what Jesus said: "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free." and "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.".

Your free will is asked to make the decision!

BTW, see that claiming "everything is relative" is an oxymoron. It says "nothing is absolute" in other words - but the word "everything" has absolute meaning!

The thought of drinking camels urine leaves me cold but I am open minded about the urine containing anti cancer compounds. I believe there has been some study already done on camel milk and camel urine anticancer compounds. Let's wait for the science to tell us. Until then I will stick to beer.

A little cream and sugar might help...Camel urine, or human urine, are antiseptic, and can be used as an emergency measure for flesh wounds, some survival manuals say to pzz on flesh injuries to prevent infection...Drinking it is another story...Camel urine is acidic...The human body does not respond well to a lot of acidic food and drink...A glass of camel urine will cause the body to go into a panic and draw calcium from tissue and bones to neutralize the acid...
Low calcium for years leads to all kinds of spine and bone problems...Years of over acidity also leads to tissue problems...Basically, it is not a good idea to drink it...

"they showed people drinking camel urine on TV,It was so disgusting ... I really couldn't think of any reason how someone can be that stupid !!!!"

Well, if they can swallow islam, camel piss can't be far behind.

It's good to learn that mohamad, in addition to being a pedophile, plagiarist, mass murderder, and overall sociopath was also a quack. It all fits, though. If there is any way to deprive people of any common sense and happiness, islam will find and enthusiastically recommend it.

Hahaha ,well that's true,Islam and camel piss are alike , ,they are POISONOUS and taste bad

Where can I buy a camel ?

"Camel urine. A wee tale..."

Aha! We finally find out what Obama meant when he referred to some of his critics as "all wee-wee'd up". He was saying that they'd overdosed on camel urine.

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