Saudi Arabia calls for new international body to censor Internet of content critical of Islam

“Any reasonable person would know that this film would foment violence and, indeed, many innocent persons have died and been injured with this film as a root cause.” No. Any reasonable person would address the madness of reacting violently to this film, and would address the core beliefs that lead to that behavior.

"Anti-Islam film prompts Saudi call for net censorship body," from the Telegraph, October 11 (thanks to all who sent this in):

Saudi Arabia has called for a new international body to censor the internet, in the wake of the anti-Islam YouTube clip that recently sparked violence in the Middle East.

In a submission to forthcoming international talks on internet governance, the Gulf state said “there is a crying need for international collaboration to address ‘freedom of expression’ which clearly disregards public order”.

During the controversy over a 14-minute clip posted on YouTube and purportedly a trailer for a feature film called “The Innocence of Muslims”, Google resisted pressure, including from the White House, to remove it.

"This video - which is widely available on the web - is clearly within our guidelines and so will stay on YouTube," Google said last month.

The Saudi government has now told the World Telecommunications Policy Forum, a UN body, that the incident was “an obvious example” of the need for greater international cooperation to restrict content online.

“Any reasonable person would know that this film would foment violence and, indeed, many innocent persons have died and been injured with this film as a root cause,” the Saudi submission said.

The amateurish clip, produced on tiny budget by Nakoula Nakoula, a 55-year-old Egyptian Coptic Christian resident in the United States, depicts the Prophet Mohammad as a fool and sexual deviant.

In the uproar surrounding it, there were violent protests in across the Middle East and North Africa, coinciding with an attack by extremists on the American Embassy in Benghazi. The Ambassador, Christopher Stevens, and three other officials were killed.

Following the attack Google did restrict access to “The Innocence of Muslims” clip in Egypt and Libya on account of “the very difficult situation”, but maintained its refusal to delete it. The governments of Afghanistan and Pakistan meanwhile ordered internet providers to completely cut off access to YouTube.

The Saudi government called for greater international cooperation to censor such material at the source, comparing it to outlawed content such as images of child abuse and malicious software.

“This behaviour, along with other malicious and criminal activities such as child pornography, identity theft, spam, denial of service attacks, and malware aimed at destroying or crippling businesses, inter alia, must be addressed by states in a collaborative and cooperative environment and strongly underscores the need for enhanced cooperation,” it said.

The submission highlights increasing interest in internet governance discussions from nations that do not share Western liberal values, as access to and the influence of the web grows.

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Here comes the Sharia and the black helicopters.

Just by the title of the above artlcle alone is another example,of the fact, that foundation and doctrines of Islam are so weak that they can't hold up to or stand up to criticism. Thus the Islamic countries have a call for censorship.

...depicts the Prophet Mohammad as a fool

Now, this is slander of the worst kind and I really must protest. Nowhere in the Islamic scriptures have I seen him described thus, I must disagree .....I ....I shake my head at this.

It is well understood that one does not gratuitously shout "Fire!" in a crowded theater. But the present circumstances are more like shouting "Arsonist!" in a crowded theater which the arsonists use as a prompt to do their thing.


Are we to conclude that arsonists are not only no longer responsible for their actions but are exempt even from being identified? Time to remove the niqab from the face of this outrageous presumption.

saudis are one one of the biggest users of porn! so cut that opff!!!
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Sharia law permits the murder of a kafir at war with Islam (harbi):

“There is no indemnity obligatory for killing a non-Muslim (harbi) at war with Muslims.” -Reliance of the Traveller, o4.17, p.593

This is the reason why Muslims kill, not because they are lacking in self-restraint. The opposite!

Muslims are ordered by Sharia law and the Koran to murder those who RESIST their JIHAD and refuse to submit.

'Good' Muslims kill blasphemers.

NOPE!!

There is a crying need for international collaboration to expose islamic insanity, which clearly disregards public order. AND peoples lives.

Muslims 'offended' outcry should be adressed as the immature and ridiculous behaviour it is. And the violence and murders should be adressed as the primitive, insane and savage behaviour it is.

There should NEVER be shown any kind of respect for this!

It's Friday and I'm tired, but there is so much wrong with these official statements from the Saudis, that we just have to tear 'em apart again, I guess.

Sometimes, I feel like I'm banging my head against the adobe wall.
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"...'there is a crying need for international collaboration to address ‘freedom of expression’ which clearly disregards public order'”.

This statement is just garbage. How could anyone clearly and concisely prove that "freedom of expression disregards public order"? Freedom of expression has no power to regard or disregard anything. It is God-Given and only God knows its true limits. I think us civilized people, however, have a very good idea of what our words do and do not do to people near us and/or around the globe. Again, the garbage statement reflects the garbage argument.

and...

"'Any reasonable person would know that this film would foment violence and, indeed, many innocent persons have died and been injured with this film as a root cause,' the Saudi submission said."

Well, the business about a "reasonable person" supposedly "knowing that this film would foment violence" is also fatally flawed. The false premise precludes from comment or judgement, ANY OTHER PERSON who hasn't seen the film and/or cares nothing about all of this and is merely going about his daily business, oblivious to it all. It makes that innocent "everyman" culpable for violence on the other side of the world. Again - garbage statement - garbage argument.

and this nugget...

“This behaviour, along with other malicious and criminal activities such as child pornography, identity theft, spam, denial of service attacks, and malware aimed at destroying or crippling businesses, inter alia, must be addressed by states in a collaborative and cooperative environment and strongly underscores the need for enhanced cooperation,”

I guarantee you the immediate, above quotation was written by some western slave of the Sauds. There's so much wrong with it, but the key is to parse the words. Remember - the above paragraph is referring to "behavior".

"This behavior...underscores the need for enhanced cooperation,..."

Whose behavior is the statement referring to? People who have no interest in, nor knowledge of the film and its effects?

Finally, the Child Porn, Malware and "Denial of Service" references are pure, bloody Red Herrings. Child pornography is illegal. Cyber attacks are illegal. Hackers who gratuitously cause interruption of the internet are committing crimes when they do so.

Making a movie about, or criticizing Mohammed is not illegal.
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One is left wondering what the Sauds would say if another movie were made, depicting the events (including clips from "Innocence") surrounding the supposed, dreaded, hateful movie they hate so much.

Would that second, documentary film then require censorship as well? What if it seemed favorable to the corrupt Saud Family?

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

-- John F. Kennedy, from remarks on the first anniversary of the Alliance for Progress, 13 March 1962.

The same applies, of course to resistance -- a point that the Saudi Wahhabists and their American lickspittles had best mark well. And to note this fact is not to advocate it but to observe it, much as Isaac Newton observed in his Third Law of Motion that "To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction ..."

Naturally punishment for disobdeience would be universally accepted too, perhaps beheading in a public square as befits universal values...

"freedom of expression" contributes far more to humanity than Islam ever has/will - so, the choice is clear for all of us.

“Any reasonable person would know that this film would foment violence and, indeed, many innocent persons have died and been injured with this film as a root cause,” the Saudi submission said.

Why, because we all know what Muslims are like? Is that what Mr Saudi is trying to say? How about: “Any reasonable person would expect Muslims to behave in a civilized manner, and not murder innocent persons who had nothing to with the making of this film.”

the suadis are duplitios to say the least. amputating a thief's hands ar ok, but talking about their beloved D...bag is a crime.
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"...censor Internet of content critical of Islam"

What they consider criticism is really telling the truth; exposing islam and company for what they truly is: evil. The truth about muhammad and his followers is spreading so the Saudi's want to crack down on it. Well, it won't work; since the truth cannont be contained--no matter how hard they try.

oops: what they truly ARE, not truly "is" ..lol :)

One can't help but notice how the Saudis are equating freedom of expression with, among other things, identity theft and child pornography as among those Internet activities which are criminal and heinous. Rather sly, but not sly enough for free peoples (this would exclude the Muslim world of course) to understand what the Saudis are really up to, which is crushing virtually any criticism of Islam.

Yet again can be seen that it's Islam or freedom. Can't have both.

Saudies hold a key interest in the White House. They contribute a lot to our economy including oil of course. If we had been paying attention prior to 9/11 and looked around how much of the political landscape was already reshaping in form of Sharia, we didn't need to worry a bit about the Arabs today and tomorrow.

Pri-911, Sharia banking had a red carpet Welcome parties throughout the Western world;

pri-911, the major Universities in the USA and UK had abundance of funding from the Middle-Eastern Sheiks and numerous 'free' lunches - many of the new buildings in these Unies are funded via Sharia banks and by the Middle-Eastern dudes;

pri-911, most of the ME dudes already had board members in many of our major industries, such Boeing/LHM/Ray etc.

pri-911, the OIC members were climbing the ladder in the UN and there may be a Muslim UN GS in the next round of selection.

It skcus.

The root cause of islamic violence is... violent role-model Muhammad.

(Do not ask how I came to this astounding, counter-intuitive conclusion. Suffice to say I have an Advanced Doctorate in Reasonable Prophetic Islamic Intuition, Angel Gabriel is my buddy, and I have studied over two trillions haddiths in Ancient Martian).

Now, until Sharia is banned permanently throughout the globe, we shall spray-paint all our Muslims jihad-green to expose the root cause and natural consequences of Islamonausea and of daily jihad-induced moral injuries. There, casually-cruel Silly Saudis, you have been warned.

"...depicts the Prophet Mohammad as a fool and sexual deviant."
So what's your problem?

Should we censor the sources of the film's content?

e.g.

Muhammad buries his face in Khadija’s garments to determine if visions are divine or satanic – Biography of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, para. 154

Muhammad’s revelations stopped when Waraqa died, prompting him to consider suicide – Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 6, No. 478

Abu Bakr gives his 9-year-old Aisha in marriage to 53-year-old Muhammad – Sahih al-Bukhari Vol. 5, No. 234

Muhammad given special privileges regarding women and marriage – Quran Surah 33:37-38

Muhammad and Omar are “gay”. (With nineteen wives and concubines, Muhammad had very few children and no male heirs.) References to bizarre sexual behavior can be found in Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 4, No. 143, Sahih al-Bukhari, No. 2393, and Sahih Muslim, Nos. 3663 and 3674.

etc etc

Should we censor these documents so that they "agree" with the Saudis version of Mohammed?

I think their problem is a/ that they don't regard him as a fool...because he was a brilliant con-man/ fraud/ deceiver and b/ they don't regard harem keeping, raping and enslavement of females captured after destruction of said female's tribe, taking your adoptive son's wife, or having sex with a nine-year-old, as *being* sexually deviant.

The 'fool' charge is probably the one that rankles.

These creeps call allah 'the best of tricksters'. Trickery, deceit, pulling the wool over people's eyes in all kinds of ways, is *admired*. Mohammed's assorted deceits - most notably the Treaty of Hudaybiyya - are immensely admired. So the way to make them mad is to call Mohammed - conman Mohammed, fraud Mohammed, attack-from-ambush Mohammed, liar Mohammed, treaty-maker-and-breaker Mohammed, the first Taqiyya artist - a FOOL.

they admire him for his cunning so of course they get mad when the kuffar laugh at him and call him a fool.

"the truth about muhammad and his followers is spreading...."

Muhammad (lately contrived) is not a eudemonist. "His" deficiency is telling.

and it says something abot the Allah god (unknowable; as imagined), it's will having been injected into the Sharia, which produces the ignoble savages down at the mosque, and where it's imprecations are the only fare.

as has been said here often: There is no happiness in Isalm. and that is becoming well known

So true, Boakai Ngombu ...take care :)

It's way past time yo close the UN . It's nothing but a front for sharia and Islamofascism!

indeed, many innocent persons have died and been injured with this film as a root cause,”

Yeah...right...There's lots of those root causes...It all started a long time ago in a far off land, when an incoherent angel named Gabriel whispered a dark and evil fairy tale into the ear of a psychotic Arab...It all went down hill from there...

Cut the fiber optic Internet cables that enter Saudi Arabia. Any channel other than Sharia 24/7 is either superfluous or forbidden. So, which side of the big-cut will be the home of arabnews.com? Will they become fixated on controlling the price of tea in China too?

Get back in your cage, until you decide to pretend that you want to grow up.

"Growing up" (your term, pdxnag)) goes to one of the keys respecting what is wrong with Islam and the Islamic world. Islam is, in effect, a religion for adults who suffer from terminal adolescence.

My compliments to you for nailing the problem which Muslims, whether "radical" or "moderate," function under to this day and that is that Islam, in the final analysis, does not deserve to be placed on the same level with the other major religions of the world because, among other reasons and as I wrote above, it over and over again exhibits adolescent characteristics.

Destroy Mohammed and you go a long way to destroying Islam. Equally as devastating to Islam is demonstrating its childish aspect. You addressed this particular pathology of Islam. Thank you for that.

"“This behaviour, along with other malicious and criminal activities such as child pornography, identity theft, spam, denial of service attacks, and malware aimed at destroying or crippling businesses, inter alia, must be addressed by states in a collaborative and cooperative environment and strongly underscores the need for enhanced cooperation,”


The "behaviour" is all theirs, their 'religion' is violent and criminal. And for these pedophiles to hide censorship behind child pornography is just a sick joke.

Yes, perhaps we need a multinational body (not the totally compromised UN) to pass laws that will put Islam and muslims out of business.


As for "identity theft, spam, denial of service attacks, and malware aimed at destroying or crippling businesses, inter alia"- we have enough laws to deal with it, we certainly don't need Mustards to lecture us.

They need to be told to get with it or ship out.

Actually, you are wrong. His marriage and consumation of his marriage with a 9 year old is clearly documented. He was a pedophile.

"The Saudi government has now told the World Telecommunications Policy Forum, a UN body, that the incident was 'an obvious example' of the need for greater international cooperation to restrict content online."

But now we know that this was a planned al-Qaeda terrorist attack in Benghazi slated for the anniversary of 9/11--that had NOTHING to do with this film.

Here is my message to the shithead who released this message:

The Saudi government called for greater international cooperation to censor such material at the source, comparing it to outlawed content such as images of child abuse and malicious software.

“This behaviour, along with other malicious and criminal activities such as child pornography, identity theft, spam, denial of service attacks, and malware aimed at destroying or crippling businesses, inter alia, must be addressed by states in a collaborative and cooperative environment and strongly underscores the need for enhanced cooperation,” it said.

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MY MESSAGE:

Your satanic deathcult wannabe religion known as islam openly engages in human trafficking, modern day slavery, and your piece of shit prophet muhammad married a 9 year old girl, much like modern day sex deviate muslim males.

Take your false, sanctimonious bullshit, and put that where the moon don't shine.

Take this movie and chew on it, because this is what all you muslim creeps are about ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URGdd-eXKxw

MY MESSAGE, AGAIN, (SORRY FOLKS, I USED THE WRONG CLIP):

Your satanic deathcult wannabe religion known as islam openly engages in human trafficking, modern day slavery, and your piece of shit prophet muhammad married a 9 year old girl, much like modern day sex deviate muslim males.

Take your false, sanctimonious bullshit, and put that where the moon don't shine.

Take this movie and chew on it, because this is what all you muslim creeps are about ....

MY MESSAGE:

Your satanic deathcult wannabe religion known as islam openly engages in human trafficking, modern day slavery, and your piece of shit prophet muhammad married a 9 year old girl, much like modern day sex deviate muslim males.

Take your false, sanctimonious bullshit, and put that where the moon don't shine.

Take this movie and chew on it, because this is what all you muslim creeps are about ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIKCgRlwQUA&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Flink_gplus%3Fnext%3D%252Fwatch%253Fv%253DkIKCgRlwQUA%2526oref%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fsearch.aol.com%25252Faol%25252Fsearch%25253Fquery%25253Dfitna%25252Boriginal%25252Bfull%25252Bmovie%252526s_it%25253Dclient97_searchbox&has_verified=1

I think you meant the link http://bit.ly/Rjm1mK

The link you gave is one of the many propaganda videos hijacking the name Fitna.

Time for Operation IHJAEOYMFBYMFSN.

Big prize for whomever can figure out my acronym (hint: use foul and horribly incorrect racist language).

Hint: the first 7 letters: "I've Had Just About Enough Of Your..."

At the risk of being censored or banned, I will answer your acronym puzzle (hey, if they're going to censor the internet anyway, let's speak honestly whilst we can)

"I've had just about enough of your motherf*cking bullshit, you motherf*cking sand n*ggers.

What's my prize?

"IHJAEOYMFBYMFSN"

I've had just about enough of your misogyny founded by your malevolent false seer nutjob.

...mine is more PG-13 :)

The Saudis' complaint could better be applied to the Koran:

"Any reasonable person would know that this book would foment violence and, indeed, many [millions of] innocent persons have died and been injured with this book as a root cause,"

So why doesn't the U.N. consider banning the Koran?

The old 'Good Cop, Bad Cop' (or muslim in this case). "If you don't comply with our demands, I can't guarantee your safety. So it's best not to offend my crazed muslim fanatic co-religionists or people (non-muslims) are going to die and it'll be your fault."

Fuk you Saudi Arabia and your fanatic minions. No compromising on our civilization's fundamentals like freedom of speech, expression, assembly, etc. That is our red-line.

We believe in these freedoms more strongly than you believe in your terrorist pedophet. You will learn that our side will win out in the end. We defeated the Nazis, a bunch of 7th century dark ages death cult savages are no match for us.

If it wasn't for the ocean of oil that by sheer accident was under your feet, you'd all still be eating dirt and living in tents and burying your daughters alive-wait you still do that.

And despite all that wealth, you still have to buy all your weapons and technology from us cause you're too stupid and backwards as a people to do it on your own.

Saudi Arabia calls for new international body to censor Internet of content critical of Islam

“Any reasonable person would know that this film would foment violence...
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...because pious Muslims like ourselves ensured that it would.

And what is the purpose of Jihad? Oh, killing Infidels and the "insufficiently Islamic" is fun and all, but the true aid of Jihad—something even many otherwise sharp Anti-Jihadists fail to fully grasp—is the imposition of Shari'ah.

And that is *exactly* what both this glib and plausibly civilized Saudi *and* the rabid, murderous rioter in the "Muslim street" are trying to accomplish.

The Shari'ah restrictions on "blasphemy", in this case.

More:

Saudi Arabia has called for a new international body to censor the internet, in the wake of the anti-Islam YouTube clip that recently sparked violence in the Middle East.
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In other words, they want to sacrifice *our* freedom of speech on the altar of their mad violence. *No thanks*.

More:

In a submission to forthcoming international talks on internet governance, the Gulf state said “there is a crying need for international collaboration to address ‘freedom of expression’ which clearly disregards public order”.
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What utter crap. It is homicidal Muslims who are disregarding public order.

This is a call for the bullies to set the agenda.

If some thug on the playground were to threaten to punch any kid who dared to mention fluffy kittens, would that mean that fluffy kittens—or any reference to them—was responsible for "disregarding the public order"? Of course not—we would all realize that the bully himself was the problem.

Why is it any different when there are 1.5 billion bullies?

More:

During the controversy over a 14-minute clip posted on YouTube and purportedly a trailer for a feature film called “The Innocence of Muslims”, Google resisted pressure, including from the White House, to remove it.
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Good for Google—and *shame* on the White House.

More:

The Saudi government has now told the World Telecommunications Policy Forum, a UN body, that the incident was “an obvious example” of the need for greater international cooperation to restrict content online.
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*Bullsh*t*. Instead, it is "an obvious example* of Muslims using any means to impose Shari'ah on all of us.

More:

The amateurish clip, produced on tiny budget by Nakoula Nakoula, a 55-year-old Egyptian Coptic Christian resident in the United States, depicts the Prophet Mohammad as a fool and sexual deviant.
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Not only is this perfectly legal in the civilized West, but all of the scenes in this film come straight from the canonical texts of Islam. In other words, it is not even that this is an *inaccurate* portrait of the "Prophet"—merely that it is a critical one.

And under Shari'ah, no one may criticize "Allah and his messenger"—least of all a filthy Infidel.

More:

The submission highlights increasing interest in internet governance discussions from nations that do not share Western liberal values, as access to and the influence of the web grows.
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That's one way to put it. Our response to this crap should be "Nuts!".

The threat to our liberties is so immediate, and so real, it is scary. And it comes from foreign powers, and also from the rapidly growing numbers of Muslims who infest and aggressively subjigate the Western countries. What neither Nazi Germany nor my Old Country the Soviet Union could achieve, the Muslims are alraedy gradually achieving: imposing totalitarian censorship on us without even the means to invade us militarily. And yet, they are alraedy conquering the Western world without major warfare. THE biggest reason for this is COWARDICE by our democratically elected governments, including our US government, the CIA, the top ranks of our US military, the "intellectual", academic, "artistic" and media elites who are already surrendering us to the totalitarian Islam that makes the Communism of my Old Country look nice. HOW do we keep ending up with those no-good cowards, Republican and Democrat, at the top?! HOW do we, the American voters, keep screwing up, failing, and failing, and failing to elect the right man to the White House?! Four years ago, I wrote in two men of courage, Rudy Giuliani and Paul Sperry. But WHAT could I do all by myself?!
Robert, Pamela and other Resistance: all the power to you! You are hilding the line for all of us.

Ruslan Tokhchukov, EnragedSince1999.

Saudi Arabia calls for new international body to censor Internet of content critical of Islam

The response to the film, “Innocence of Muslims” was lamentable, but not surprising. It is expected that Islamic religious organizations will exploit any situation to gain more funding from the Arab oil producing countries, including Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, and the Gulf Emirates. Those funds given ostensibly to protect and defend Islam, are also being used to foster the personal and religious agendas of the Salafi sect and Muslim Brotherhood among others. For the last thirty years these extremist organizations have asserted their power through instigating riots and violence in the “Arab street”. Even though many of these organizations have been implicated in criminal activities, they have been treated by world leaders as the legitimate representatives of Muslims worldwide due to the threat of widespread violence and unrest. The movie “Innocence of Muslims” was on YouTube for at least 12 weeks prior to September 11, 2012. Islamic religious organizations and the Islamic media were aware of its existence at that time, but they waited for the order from the Islamic leadership to organize an assault on American first amendment rights and interests. Freedom of speech is under attack by Islamic organizations and dictatorships because it calls into question the legitimacy of their rule and sheds light on their beliefs. They have been successful in curbing freedom of speech in Europe and have now turned their focus to the United States. To date their attempts to impose Sharia Law in the United States have been met with strong opposition and have been unsuccessful. In light of this there is a strong push to enact a UN resolution restricting free speech in an attempt to circumvent US constitutional protections.
The future power of Islamic activist organizations depends on the loyalty and obedience of second generation Muslim youth in Western countries. All these Islamic demonstrations of force worldwide in response to free speech exemplified by burning the Quran day, the Danish cartoon of Mohamed, and the movie “Innocence of Muslims”, is to prevent historical Islamic eye witness accounts of the character of the founder of Islam and the flow of his message from reaching second generation Muslims in the West. The behavior of their prophet and should it become common knowledge would alienate Western Muslims in whom their hope of world domination and the destruction of Israel rest.
Few of us Middle Eastern activists, including Dr. Morris Sadek, know the long term plan of those Islamic organizations to replace Western Civilization with Islamic rule. Dr. Morris Sadek for many years worked tirelessly to protect the human rights of the most vulnerable Copts, forgotten and marginalized by mainstream society. The controversy over this movie should not overshadow the enormous contributions he has made to the Coptic community and the Western countries by unveiling the true nature of Islam and its founder.
It is my hope that we, as survivors of centuries of persecution and violence in the name of Islam, do not stand idly by as a history of bloodshed and atrocities is forcibly whitewashed in pursuit of global hegemony.
Fayez El Giheny
SF Bay Area
Voice of the Nile Coptic Association

@larsen,
you wrote;

'...depicts the Prophet Mohammad as a fool'

Now, this is slander of the worst kind and I really must protest. Nowhere in the Islamic scriptures have I seen him described thus, I must disagree .....I ....I shake my head at this.'

so calling Mohd., a fool actually hurts fools & insults them!
is this what you meant?

@lookmann,

not really. The only matter that I can see is objectively wrong with the portrayal of Muhammad in the video is that he is made into a fool. Everything else to the best of my knowledge - and I got through it in a hurry, it is so very bad - is according to islamic scripture. I find it unpleasant that a deliberate schemer is remade into a fool: there is little to laugh about in the oldest sources of islam. On the other hand: what else can we do but laugh when we are in daily contact with the preposterous claims of the Religion of Peace™ and its effects?
And therefore I disagreed with a shake of my head. I did no go on a rampage because objective truth had been twisted.

There was a pretty fascinating discussion of all this on slashdot /. - not in terms of any great new insights, but more on how an usually Leftist Atheistic bunch is really split down the middle on this. Yeah, you have the usual 'Christians are no better' crowd, but a large number pretty strongly hostile to Mohammed and Islam, if not Muslims.

While anti-Americanism is still high on that sight, it's at least comforting to see anti-Islam sentiments pretty strong.

That seems to be just about right ;-)

What happened to the Sharianet?
Jihadwatch April 17, 2011: Iran announces new 'halal' Islamic internet
Did such apart-Shiite not appeal to Sunni netizens?

ha, ha :-)

NO counter arguements, King Abdulla of Sowdi Barbaria ?

ONLY censor the truth ?

“…Religon of Peace? F*CK YOU - ISLAM IS A PLAGUE ON THIS PLANET” — Allah, the sadist — Q. 6:70 “…they will have for drink (only) boiling water, and for punishment, one most grievous: for they persisted in rejecting Allah.”

http://schnellmann.org/islam-is-a-plague-on-this-planet.html

And who will DEFINE or enforce the edicts of such a body???

Terry

"Don't join the bookburners"- US President Dwight David Eisenhower( former Allied Supreme Commander in WWII) in a Dartmouth College address.

Obama fetch me some internet censorship!!

And while you're at it - that 1st Amendment - is haram!! Against Islam!!

If your say your America respects 'Islam' - then you will do with your Constitution like we do with all the Bibles brought into our country - we incinerate them!


Obama's a good boy - his father was a Muslim you know - if he was over here - we would have had to behead him or lock him up - until he repented! At the moment he can be of more help to us - there.

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Obama is getting more and more tangled in his own web.

The starting point of the 'Innocence of Muslims' video focuses on Coptic persecution under Islamic rule - [Koran 9:29] - where there is a deep-rooted nonchalance towards the upkeep of rights of non-Muslims - in all Islamic nations with large native Christian or other populations.

But to talk about this - to highlight that there are these serious issues - is taken as criticism of Islam - so strictly enforced it can become 'hate speech'.

Now you have a Copt - simply drawing from Islamic Hadiths [which are far worst] - to to create a film - which adds comedy to the Islamic text or accounts - is now imprisoned - for the crime of satirizing the Prophet.

No mention of some of the issues highlighted in the film - the mass Copt arrests - the pogroms - with open burning and looting - in which Egyptian police position themselves only to watch.

Yeah! This is going somewhere for the Obama administration.

The same year the US government omitted the religious freedom report covering Copt persecution in Egypt. Out of sight - and if they had it their way - should be made illegal to be in mind.

Mention of Muslim persecution of Christians - 'offends' Muslims - so even this - must be gotten rid off!!

We don't want no trouble !!

My fellow americans,

Interesting news coming from our secretary of defense, as well as news from this publication about saudi arabia calling for restricting free speech.

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/10/12/1004011/panetta-warns-of-cyber-pearl-harbor-as-white-house-readies-executive-order/?mobile=nc

Seems to my simple mind a coordinated attack by the obama white house and the muslim nations to regulate my God given freedom of speech and expression.

Obama, may have already signed the executive order that empowers him to shut down america's world wide web, all telephonic methods of communication in order to effectively prevent america from stopping him from implementing martial law.

Far fetched? Conspiratorial? Not when you look at obama's record of every friday signing a new executive order further restricting our speech, behavior, movement, assembly, only God knows what else he has done, under the guise of if congress won't work with me I'll do it myself.

The next few days and weeks will be very interesting indeed.

Another approach of the adherents of the religion of permanent offence, who are constantly offended, to eliminate our basic right to freedom of opinion. Other people enjoy having fun, but they obviously enjoy feeling offended. Strange addiction.

This is another proof that Islam and Nazism share the same ideology. In Germany in the Nazi era you could be killed for telling an anti-Nazi joke.

Q: How do you call a Muslim who own six goats? A: A pimp.

Is my death warrant already written?

Global jihadists (with Obama's support) are calling for worldwide blasphemy (protecting Islam only) laws. They claim that any criticism of, analysis of, or insult to Islam or Mohammad incites violence because of the hurt religious sentiments of Muslims. However, the RIGHT to plunder, rape, and murder conquered non-Muslims (dhimmis) because any non-Muslim criticized, analyzed, or insulted Islam or Mohammad is ONLY sanctioned by Shariah law. Criminal blasphemy laws are Shariah law.

When are people going to get sick to death of islam? islam has no problem with killing Jews, but just say something bad about islam and all hell breaks out. Who in their right mind would ever join this so called religion?

Ruslan, you thunder against the COWARDICE of our leaders.

But Ruslan, what does exactly “our democratically elected governments, including our US government, the CIA, the top ranks of our US military, the "intellectual", academic, "artistic" and media elites…” fear?

Do you really believe they may fear moslems?
What moslems?
The moslem settlers in the west?
The Global United Moslem Military?
The moslem luftvaffe?
The mega-fatwa of the mega-board of Islamic imams, mullahs and halal butchers?
The moslem terrorists?
The ridiculous allah – shmallah?

No. The only thing they fear is not being elected, kicked out of office and losing their power.
Otherwise they fear nothing, absolutely nothing. And they have no reason to fear as long as “we-the-people” keep electing and re-electing them. Do you think they would continue their pro-islam policies if it would cost them the career? Of course you don’t! They would be on our side in a jiffy! They are whores!

And, on the other hand, can you imagine a politician with a clear anti-jihad program of stopping the Islamic invasion of the West having a ghost of a chance of winning the support of the majority of the “we-the-people”?

So what is the thing that makes the “we-the-people” democratically elect knaves, whores and fools who make political career preparing the shameful degradation of dhimmitude for us and our children?

It is exactly the COWARDICE of the majority of the “we-the-people” that ensures our ruling "elites" continuous successful labour of treason.

I think the time has arrived to ask not what our leaders, but what "we-the-people" are afraid of?
I know, or I think I know. Do you?

Softly Bob wins first prize -- I didn't think anyone would get it. Your prize is a free Koran with soft two-ply tissue pages.

Champ wins 2nd prize -- a Mohammed teddy bear!


Let me see if I've got this right. according to the media, Islam is so special that knowone should say anything negatively (even if it is the truth) about Islam. But if it is any other relegion or group of people making any comment or action public, published or video is unexceptable. Even beheadings, are exceptable, if done by Islam. It's as though Islam is rewriting law world wide.....

"Saudi Arabia calls for new international body to censor Internet of content critical of Islam

“Any reasonable person would know that this film would foment violence..."

Lets not forget that Islams ideology, motivation, commitment, and goal is to subjugate the free world. So it makes "no differance" what is done, said, or thought, by the free world, Islams ideology, and goal does not change.

Don't burn the Koran, read it for yourself.....


Let me see if I've got this right. according to the media, Islam is so special that knowone should say anything negatively (even if it is the truth) about Islam. But if it is any other relegion or group of people making any comment or action public, published or video is unexceptable. Even beheadings, are exceptable, if done by Islam. It's as though Islam is rewriting law world wide.....

"Saudi Arabia calls for new international body to censor Internet of content critical of Islam

“Any reasonable person would know that this film would foment violence..."

Lets not forget that Islams ideology, motivation, commitment, and goal is to subjugate the free world. So it makes "no differance" what is done, said, or thought, by the free world, Islams ideology, and goal does not change.

Don't burn the Koran, read it for yourself.....

Yay! I love teddy bears! ...but Mo will not fit in too well with my other teddy bears since he would probably get the snot beat out of him--due to his reputation as a bad bear. Yeah my teddy bears are cute 'n cuddly, but they're also really tough, so they don't put up with evil creeps like Mo.

Robeaver wrote, replying to Stephen Larsen:

Actually, you are wrong. His marriage and consumation of his marriage with a 9 year old is clearly documented. He was a pedophile.
..............................

Rob, Stephan was being sarcastic. He is a staunch Anti-Jihadist, and has been posting here for many years. He is well aware of the "Prophet's" terrible legacy of pedophilia.

This is why I always urge anyone writing facetiously to use the "sarc" tag, lest any reader assume they are speaking without irony.

Fayez El Giheny wrote:

Few of us Middle Eastern activists, including Dr. Morris Sadek, know the long term plan of those Islamic organizations to replace Western Civilization with Islamic rule. Dr. Morris Sadek for many years worked tirelessly to protect the human rights of the most vulnerable Copts, forgotten and marginalized by mainstream society. The controversy over this movie should not overshadow the enormous contributions he has made to the Coptic community and the Western countries by unveiling the true nature of Islam and its founder.
............................

Mr. El Giheny, I have no problems with Mr. Sadek, who—as you note—has done excellent work on behalf of the threatened Copts.

But I believe Mr. Nakoula's trailer had the same goal—to show the threat to the Copts and other "Infidels" at Muslim hands, and how this is done on the model of Muhammed, the Prophet of Islam.

Mr. Nakoula's film is very poorly made, but apart from that is quite accurate—all its scenes are based on the canonical texts of Islam—the Qur'an, the Hadith, and the Sira.

I wish you and Mr. Sadek all the best—and Mr. Nakoula, as well.

I only hope that some people in the West will now take another look at the worsening situation of the Copts, rather than caving in to Muslim demands that we censor any attempts to speak the truth about Islamic violence.

By the way, I see that your organization is headquartered in the San Francisco Bay Area. This is where I live, as well.

Here's the San Francisco Chronicle just yesterday covering a story on the plight of the Copts:

"Thousands march to mark killing of Egypt Copts"

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Thousands-march-to-mark-killing-of-Egypt-Copts-3931746.php

Saudi Arabia, and the rest of you all Ba'd stay out of my life and stay out of everybody else way of life! Also you hippocricil Saudi Arab's you live in your big Castle with all your Oil Money bringing into you homes prostitutes and drink liquor and smoke your Drugs and are trying to take my freedom away! You all are Jack A's and need to Police your radical selfs! You all are Killing innocent people in the name of your God!
God Bless America!!!!!!!!

"IHJAEOYMFBYMFSN"
-If a muslim reads it backwards will he disappear? (Remember Arabic is read right to left.)
Subliminal cryptic messages initiating muslim auto-destruct. I think I might be on to something here! (hehe)
They're already into auto-destruct bigtime. If only we could find a way of persuading them not to take others with them! Like do the Haaj and blow yourself up...in Mecca. And nowhere else.
Do I get a prize? Crate of beer? Pack of nice pork chops?

ooops, I see I have done it again: I must remember the sarc tags and the quotation marks. I wrote nothing about pedophilia though, that's why I ignored the misunderstanding in the first place.

Steffen Larsen wrote:

ooops, I see I have done it again: I must remember the sarc tags and the quotation marks.
...............................

No problem, Steffen. I certainly understood your satiric intent—but readers who don't know your stellar posting history might take such statements at face value.

As always, I look forward to reading your comments.

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