UK: Muslim women "live in fear" because of Sharia courts that are "as consensual as rape"

Sharia is by its nature coercive, treating women as commodities and non-Muslims as inferiors subject to the overlordship of Muslims. So this comes as no surprise, except to the incurable multiculturalists and believers that Islam is a Religion of Peace. "Sharia courts ‘as consensual as rape’, House of Lords told," By John Bingham in the Telegraph, October 20 (thanks to best project):

MUSLIM women in Britain are being forced to “live in fear” because of the spread of unofficial and unregulated sharia courts enforcing Islamic rules, the House of Lords was told.

Rulings by informal religious “councils” and tribunals are sometimes no more “consensual” than rape, peers were told.

The warnings came in the first ever full Parliamentary debate on the subject in the UK.

Baroness Cox, the independent peer and Third World campaigner, last year tabled a private member’s bill in the Lords setting out plans to rein in a network of unofficial self-styled “courts” which apply Islamic principles.

One study estimated that there are around 85 Sharia bodies operating in Britain, although there is no official estimate.

They include legally recognised arbitration tribunals, set up primarily to resolve financial disputes using Islamic legal principles but which have taken on a wider range of cases.

There is also a network of informal Sharia “councils”, often operating out of mosques, dealing with religious divorces and even child custody matters in line with Islamic teaching.

The bill, which had its first full debate yesterday, would make it a criminal offence for such bodies to style themselves as courts or those chairing them to pose as judges.

It would also limit the activities of arbitration tribunals and explicitly require them to uphold equality laws including women’s rights....

Good luck with that. As long as there are Sharia courts, they're going to enforce Sharia. That's it. And British law will be secondary.

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If you tell them no, they will find a way to do it anyway...
No doubt this is going on in the US as well...

Can be only a matter of time till they fully sanction polygamy as well

I have heard Sharia law is trickling into courts here in the US … at least in 70 courts rooms …

Is that true ? ,,,, and where is it happening ?

Please tell me it is NOT so !!!!!

UK: Muslim women "live in fear" because of Sharia courts that are "as consensual as rape"
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But....but...aren't we told—ad nauseum—that Shari'ah is fully compatible with democracy? What could possibly go wrong?

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Sharia is by its nature coercive, treating women as commodities and non-Muslims as inferiors subject to the overlordship of Muslims. So this comes as no surprise, except to the incurable multiculturalists and believers that Islam is a Religion of Peace.
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Exactly. *All* of Shari'ah is unjust—not just the gaudiest of its horrors, like amputations for petty theft and stonings of women.

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MUSLIM women in Britain are being forced to “live in fear” because of the spread of unofficial and unregulated sharia courts enforcing Islamic rules, the House of Lords was told.
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Even the officially recognized ones are pretty bad—but I have no doubt that the ones flying sub rosa are even worse, where they don't even have to maintain the vague appearance of justice for the filthy kuffar.

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Baroness Cox, the independent peer and Third World campaigner, last year tabled a private member’s bill in the Lords setting out plans to rein in a network of unofficial self-styled “courts” which apply Islamic principles.
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Appalling.

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One study estimated that there are around 85 Sharia bodies operating in Britain, although there is no official estimate.

They include legally recognised arbitration tribunals, set up primarily to resolve financial disputes using Islamic legal principles but which have taken on a wider range of cases.
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The mere fact that some of these Shari'ah courts are officially recognized emboldens the secretive ones, as well.

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There is also a network of informal Sharia “councils”, often operating out of mosques, dealing with religious divorces and even child custody matters in line with Islamic teaching.
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And we all know what that means—no rights for women, who are regarded as "deficient in reason" and "deficient in religion".

fineliving56 wrote:

I have heard Sharia law is trickling into courts here in the US … at least in 70 courts rooms …

Is that true ? ,,,, and where is it happening ?

Please tell me it is NOT so !!!!!
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Yes and no, Fine Living. Unlike in the foolish UK, there are—so far, at least!—*no* officially recognized Shari'ah courts here in the United States. That's the good news.

The bad news is that aspects of Shari'ah *are* seeping into the U.S. legal system. There have been numerous cases of American judges enforcing Shari'ah norms.

One of the most notorious cases was the New Jersey judge who dismissed a case of marital rape and beating because such barbarity was allowed under the assailant's Islamic faith.

That case was—thank goodness!—overturned by a higher court. Still, that *any* American judge could make such a ruling is profoundly disturbing.

"Sharia in New Jersey: Muslim husband rapes wife, judge sees no sexual assault because Islam forbids wives to refuse sex"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/sharia-in-new-jersey-muslim-husband-rapes-wife-judge-sees-no-sexual-assault-because-husbands-religio.html

Then there is the case of the Muslim in Pennsylvania who violently assaulted a Hallowe'en parade goer for wearing a "Zombie Muhammed" costume. The judge not only dismissed the assault charges—even though they had been witnessed by a police officer who appeared in court ready to testify on the victim's behalf—but he also *castigated the victim* for having offended his assailant's sensibilities, and then gleefully reminded him that he'd be killed if he lived in a Muslim country.

"Sharia in Pennsylvania: Muslim admits to attacking atheist over "Zombie Muhammad"; Muslim judge dismisses case, tells atheist he'd be killed in Muslim lands"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/02/sharia-in-pennsylvania-muslim-admits-to-attacking-atheist-over-zombie-muhammad-muslim-judge-dismisse.html

So, this may not be "official" Shari'ah, but it is ipso facto Shari'ah—and it is damned disturbing. There are, I'm afraid, many more cases.

Then there is the issue in the story above—that of of unofficial Shari'ah courts being run out of Mosques. I imagine that these *do* exist in the United States, but I also imagine that they are far less widespread than in the Jihad-ridden UK at this point.

But I also imagine that they will spread. And the push is on all the time from pious Muslims like Imam Rauf for Shari'ah courts to be recognized by the state.

Very, very troubling.

There is only one method that I know that can drive out the terrible darkness of Islam that is permeating the fabric of societies. That method is aggressive, fearless proclamation of the whole truth, which includes the gospel (the good news) of Jesus the Christ, the Messiah, who is the Savior of the world, the Light of the world, the Way, the Truth, the Life.

When any society fails to continuously proclaim the whole truth, then the darkness enters. We know that the truth of Jesus, the Light of the world, can drive out the darkness from society, because it has happened many times before in societies around the world throughout history.

Islam is so much inferior to the Light and Truth of Jesus the Christ, that it cannot stand when it is boldly and continuously confronted.

This is not solely a physical war. It is also a spiritual war, which can be won only by using spiritual weapons, which include bold proclamation of truth plus prayer.

Off topic (sort of):

Head cleric in Sudan endorses child marriage, one reason being the potential increase in "offspring".

http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?article44301

Not enough babies in overcrowded, impecunious Sudan? Get the children breeding! Sick!!

In Australia, our government publicly says "no" to sharia law - very firmly - while allowing it in anyway, and actually encouraging and funding it.
Muslim frontmen have tried to interest the government to allow sharia courts with no success - maybe the government fears a public backlash. Now this new initiative, a "legal clinic" for Muslim women suffering "family violence" is to open. I smell a rat. Muslim women can't rub shoulders with other batterd spouses? They nees a Muslim lawyer to deal with their problems? The public purse must fund it?
Could this be their sneaky way to quietly develop their sharia courts, by using their women, both as
needy victims" and as lawyers, just as they tried to use women (and our Western sympathy for poor Muslim women) to get sharia courts by saying Muslim women could not get a proper divorce without those courts, and therefore could not (sob) remarry.
What advice will the Muslim lawyer give these women, in the privacy of the consulting room?

http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?article44301

(The solicitor pictured, also to be involved in this "free" service, will spend his days at a gay-lesbian-etc special legal clinic and his evenings, presumably, helping out the Muslims. Oh, the irony!)

battered
"needy victims"

Sorry, phone rang, and I submitted prematurely...

There are actually over 90 sharia courts in Britain - in places such as sweet shops in Bradford and, guess what? UK government have sanctioned this! It is an outrage - so what will their Lordships do about it? Do remember that there are now muslims in both our houses of parliament - the 5th column is well established - what will they do about it? NOTHING! Just talk, doze and collect their expenses while this country goes to the dogs!

A hundred apologies, wrong link to legal clinic; too many distractions. The correst link:

http://moreland-leader.whereilive.com.au/news/story/leader-local-grants-muslim-women-in-need/

A hundred apologies, wrong link to legal clinic; too many distractions. The correst link:

http://moreland-leader.whereilive.com.au/news/story/leader-local-grants-muslim-women-in-need/

Thank you for this well researched post about this subject ..I missed

It is really hard for a ex Muslims living in the west … to know that, if a problem arise where American judge assumes just because we are from Muslim families and came from Muslim country, that we have to be tried under sharia law …

we do not WANT to be under the law of Islam Sharia … that is one of the reasons when left Islam …

here in my case … I ran a way from islam, how could I be under it's insane and unfair clown like laws .

Not that I need to, in any way … but who know ? … life is ever changing

Where do we have to go to be free citizens ???? !!!… we know, to be under sharia,is to be under black cloud until death .

Sigh

An attempt to investigate Sharia Courts in the U.K was abandoned because the Courts would not cooperate. Just imagine what would happen if I said I was not going to cooperate in paying my taxes or recognise a policeman's authority.

Stuart, this one is quite simple. The investigators did not have a warrant, so the courts were not obliged to admit them.

How short-sighted not to secure the inspection warrant!

The real mystery is why they did not return, warrant in hand, at the court's next sitting. It seems extraordinary that no further attempt to inspect has been made.

Someone, please tell me what I can do to support Barones Cox.

Diana, you said:

''Someone, please tell me what I can do to support Barones Cox.''

Write to her, at the House of Lords,
http://www.parliament.uk/biographies/lords/caroline-cox/26727
(I did, and got a nice letter back) and write to your MP, demanding he/she show the Baroness support. (I did, and got no reply whatsoever).

Write to camoron.

If you follow any other blogs, raise awareness there, and ask people to write to her in support.

I admire her for what she's doing, and politicians who actually *do* stick out their necks for what is right, are as rare as hens' teeth, and should be boosted accordingly !

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