Grand Imam of al-Azhar denounces “Zionist entity” for defending itself

“For over a thousand years, Al-Azhar has stood as a beacon of Islamic learning…” — Barack Obama at al-Azhar, June 4, 2009

“Al-Azhar Grand Imam slams Israeli attacks on Gaza,” by Joanna Paraszczuk for the Jerusalem Post, November 14:

The Grand Imam of Egypt’s powerful al-Azhar Mosque denounced Israel’s strikes on Gaza on Wednesday, calling them the “Zionist army’s bombing of innocent civilians”, Egyptian and Saudi news sources reported.

In his statement on Wednesday, Mohamed Ahmed El Tayeb warned the “Zionist entity” against continuing the strikes, which he said were “brutal” and would lead the entire region into a wider conflict.

El Tayeb called on the United Nations and the Organization of Islamic Cooperation to act for the people of Gaza and deter the “usurper entity from exercising its barbarism against defenseless civilians”, according to Saudi Arabia’s Bab news site.

The Grand Imam said Palestinians in Gaza had a “right to live safely like any other human beings.”

However, in his statement El Tayeb did not mention or allude to the rocket attacks against Israel.

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  1. says

    Jerusalem Post says:

    “However, in his statement El Tayeb did not mention or allude to the rocket attacks against Israel….”

    Perhaps ElTayeb thinks Israelis are apes and pigs.

  2. says

    The Imam has obviously been doing inner spiritual struggle jihad…he is struggling hard just to make sense…I bet he stumbles when he walks…a sure sign of excessive inner struggle…If you see a Mahoundian staggering, you can be certain he is in an inner struggle induced trance…I advise you to stay away from staggering Mahoundians, especially if its a group…
    Of course Israel has a right to defend itself, and no amount of inner struggle spiritual jihad will change that…

  3. says

    The first thing I heard on news radio this morning was that the Israelis were attacking Gaza. There was no mention of the rockets fired at Israel until the end of the report. Why is the media so biased against Israel?

  4. says

    Mohamed Ahmed El Tayeb, the Grand Imam of Egypt’s al-Azhar Mosque, being born and raised in an Islamic country, and having lived and breathed the barbarous and cruel cult of Mohammedanism from infancy, has no choice but go along with the Mohammedan mob and calls for jihad against Israel and the Jews. He would be unceremoniously lynched were he not to. And were he to even marginally criticize Islam or dare to call for permanent peace with the state of Israel life as he knows it would be over and he would be as good as dead.

  5. says

    The islamic “natives” are restless (fomented to violence) because they know that one of theirs is in the White House, and that not only will he not stop them he is HELPING them.

  6. says

    What the member of Hamad fail to understand is that they brought this on themselves by alway launching viscious rocket attacks with much murderous intent into the State of Israel. Hamas has only itself to blame. That so many Muslims don’t understand this only shows just how much they are blinded to reality by their death cult which is Islam.

  7. says

    I read an Aljazeera report on the conflict. According to that beacon of “free press” in the Arab world, the fighting started with the killing of the Hamas military leader by an Israeli airstrike. No mention of the more than 100 rocket and mortar attacks into southern Israel from Gaza that preceded the Israeli airstrike.

  8. says

    see. I am not sure why everyone is surprised here. Grand Mufti of Alazhar sanctions and allows 45 year old men to rape and sodomize 9 year old girls. So do you think he has a problem killing the jews? Come on let’s get real here!!! it is only noon here in NYC and way too soon for socth!!!

  9. says

    The last time, Israel did not do what was needed to fully protect their country, and way of life.

    Now, the threat is worse, and deeper. Only one thing will work in Gaza. REMOVE THE THREAT.

    Gaza must be cleared of everything. Remove the people, no need to destroy them, but they must leave. Then, do what should have been done just a short, few years ago.

    Reclaim Gaza, bury the tunnels, turn Gaza into a Military base for Israel, whatever works.

    Remove islam from Gaza. The strip must return to Israel.

  10. says

    “For over a thousand years, Al-Azhar has stood as a beacon of Islamic learning…”
    That’s right!
    But key point: “Islamic learning”. ie: Rubbish!

  11. says

    “The Grand Imam of Egypt’s powerful al-Azhar Mosque denounced Israel’s strikes on Gaza on Wednesday, calling them the ‘Zionist army’s bombing of innocent civilians’, Egyptian and Saudi news sources reported.”

    This man is such a liar! …Israel takes great care to NOT harm civilians, whereas Hamas & company do not; as they take deliberate aim at civilians.

    Oh, and words like “Grand” and “powerful” are used to magnify this worthless man’s position in life, but instead they demonstrate just how *un-grand* and *un-powerful* he actually is; makes me laugh out loud when I read such nonsense. Only God is truly powerful and grand.

  12. says

    Zionism is really just a democratic version on Ba’athism–secular nationalism, emphasis on national development, and some statist economic features. Kemalism and 1920s pan-Turanianism were similar. This type of ideology is something the Palestinians should have copied. Instead, with foreign support, they went for a kleptocratic version of Ba’athism, then various shades of Sunni and Shi’a theocratic ideology. Meanwhile, Israel has developed into a democratic and relatively well-of country.

    The big threat to Zionism is from within the state of Israel. The country’s proportional representation system fractures the country along ethic and religious lines (ultra-orthodox, Russian, Ethiopian), and gives fringe elements, like Shas, leverage over the political process. Settlements and Palestinian statehood are examples of this: the majority of Israeli Jews oppose the settlements and advocate Palestinian statehood. Yet, thanks to PR coalitions, popular consensus doesn’t translate into government policy. And there is growing weariness over military action, and resentment over the fact that the Haredi welch out of military duty.

    Zionism was founded by secular Jews. And many of the Zionist founders of Israel were actually atheists, or agnostics. Yet a small religious fringe element–and an anti-Zionist one, at that–has hijacked Israel’s political process, and is bogging down the country in an unwinable conflict over scrappy settlements that are populated by ant-Zionist draft-dodgers. Unless there is a secular, democratic state in the Palestinian territories, with control over its borders, there is zero chance of kicking out the Syrian, Iranian, and other elements that are using Palestine and its population to fight a war against Israel.

  13. says

    “Gaza must be cleared of everything. Remove the people, no need to destroy them, but they must leave.”

    So, you’re advocating ethnic cleansing, then? Logistics aside, the international community–INCLUDING nominally pro-Israel United States, EU, and Canada–would cut all ties to Israel, and there would be a unanimous Security Council condemnation of this. And Israel’s mostly conscript army would not have any appetite for this–desertions would skyrocket. Israel’s democratic press has already reacted with alarm to milder proposals:

    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/idf-order-will-enable-mass-deportation-from-west-bank-1.780

    “The islamic “natives” are restless (fomented to violence) because they know that one of theirs is in the White House, and that not only will he not stop them he is HELPING them.”

    Whatever wacky theories one has about the President’s personal theology, it’s time to face facts. Obama, like every other U.S. politician, is a populist, and military support for Israel is very low on Americans’ list of priorities. (Even American Jews mostly voted for Obama-Biden.) The United States is drowning in red ink. Americans would NOT support another military action in some sandpit, especially as they are reeling from the staggering financial and human costs of Dubya’s misadventure in Iraq. The U.S. already subsidizes Israel (over U.S.$3B annually, which is proportionally far greater than aid to Pakistan), and Democrats and Republicans alike are itching to cut things from the Federal budget. If there is a broader conflagration (unlikely), the U.S. will NOT come to Israel’s military aid, regardless of who is in the White House.

  14. says

    OT:
    Over at the Jawa Report, there is a piece that mentions Robert Spencer. The piece is titled What is Islam? I Don’t Know, But I’m Pretty Sure I’ve Got it Wrong.

    The piece starts like this:

    I’ve been writing about this for some time to the chagrin of some of you readers. It is not up to me or you or Ayman al Zawahiri (or Robert Spencer) to say what exactly Islam is. Because the fact is that no such thing as an official Islam exists. There is no single Islam, there are only Islams.

    In response to this, I sent the following email to the writer:

    Dr. Shackleford,

    You point out that there is no official Islam. Do you also say that there is no objective Islam? To say there is no objective Islam comes close to a purely deconstructionist viewpoint on language and reality.

    It’s true that Islam’s core texts permit of some degree of elasticity of interpretation, in part because of contradictions in those texts. Doctrine of abrogation notwithstanding, many Muslims consider all of the Qur’an, including its contradictions, as eternally true. But as Bill Warner has pointed out, both sides of contradictions in the Qur’an do not appear equally often in the core texts. As you probably are aware, Warner has tried to quantify what percentage of the core texts is tolerant/peaceful, and what percentage violent/totalitarian. He finds that, percentage-wise, Islam’s core texts are overwhelmingly toward the totalitarian side of the contradiction.

    Perhaps it should not surprise us then, that throughout Islamic history, the totalitarian interpretation of Islam has been the dominant one. There is an objective Islam (even if human beings, being fallible, must be reasonably humble in asserting their conclusions on the matter).

    There is no official Islam, but the core texts have always tended to channel interpretation within a fairly limited range of possibilities, one of which (the totalitarian one) has almost always been mainstream and dominant, because its basis is dominant in the texts themselves. For all kinds of reasons, the dominant interpretation will likely remain so.

  15. says

    Re. Jihad Armed Camp Gaza, stuffed to the gills with hysterical Jew-hatred and megalomaniacal dreams of Total World Domination (the conquest and Islamisation of the Jewish state of Israel is meant to be merely the aperitif in the grand project of Islam, Islam Uber Alles).

    Flattening Gaza and driving out into Islamic Egypt its jihad gang bosses, their troops, and the civilians who pretty much to a man, woman and child share their hysterical and thoroughly-Islamic genocidal Jew-hatred (and general kuffar-hatred) would not be ‘ethnic cleansing’ but merely the destruction of one of the Ummah’s advance military bases.

    Jihad Fortress Gaza closely resembles nothing so much as Hitler’s Third Reich Berlin at the height of its murderous madness, and for it to suffer a similar fate – razed to the ground, its military might destroyed – would be entirely appropriate.

  16. says

    I declare a fatwa on Mohamed Ahmed El Tayeb.
    May his beard be infested with fleas. May his very silly hat be infested with termites. May his Quran self-immolate. May his countenance approach that of a bearded puffer fish.

  17. says

    To get just a tiny sample of the kind of thing that the ‘Palestinian’ Arab Muslims teach their children.

    http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/44712

    Thursday, 1 November 2012
    Palestinian Pietà

    Mother places suicide belt on her child:
    “I will put it on you
and you will go to your death,”
    on Fatah-Lebanon Facebook page.

    Note: it’s about regaining land Muslims once invaded, conquered and occupied – waqf.

    More, from a ‘cleric’ in Gaza:

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/01/hamas-praise-be-to-you-our-lord-you-have-made-our-killing-of-the-jews-an-act-of-worship-through-whic.html

    Pro-Hamas group in Gaza: “Praise be to you, our Lord. You have made our killing of the Jews an act of worship, through which we come closer to you.”

    And the Muslims in Judea and Samaria, under Fatah, differ little or none:

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/01/pas-highest-religious-authority-at-moderate-fatah-event-muslims-destiny-is-to-kill-jews.html

    PA’s highest religious authority at “moderate” Fatah event: Muslims’ destiny is to kill Jews

    And as for the whole ‘Palestinian nation’ schtick, that’s only for external consumption

    http://www.israellycool.com/2012/10/17/azmi-bishara-there-is-no-palestinian-nation/

    Azmi Bishara: “There Is No Palestinian Nation”

    And re. Gaza, specifically:

    http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/3389.htm

    #3389 – Hamas Minister of the Interior and of National Security Fathi Hammad Slams Egypt over Fuel Shortage in Gaza Strip, and Says: “Half of the Palestinians Are Egyptians and the Other Half Are Saudis”
    Al-Hekma TV (Egypt) – March 23, 2012 – 03:09

  18. says

    “Israel’s problems with its neighbours would disappear if Islam disappeared.”

    Fatah/PLO was a secular-nationalist movement, with Christian members. Egypt and Iraq were two of Israel’s worst military enemies, and were run by secular (Ba’athist) regimes. Ba’athism was promulgated by secular arabs, including Christians. Israel has Muslim friends (Azerbaijan) and Christians who support its enemies (Armenia, Russia). While Israel’s current major conflict is with Islamist elements, Israel’s ‘troubles’ wouldn’t disappear if Islam did. Israel’s problem is an ethnic conflict over very scarce land.

    “Flattening Gaza and driving out into Islamic Egypt its jihad gang bosses, their troops, and the civilians who pretty much to a man, woman and child share their hysterical and thoroughly-Islamic genocidal Jew-hatred (and general kuffar-hatred) would not be ‘ethnic cleansing’…”

    Again, this diatribe is the mirror of the “drive them into the sea” venom spouted by Islamic nutbars. And you are advocating ethnic cleansing, plain and simple. This is actually flirting with criminality, since advocating the expulsion of an ethnic group is illegal in most countries. (Even in the U.S, there could be an exemption to the First Amendment, under ‘incitement’ precedents). Despte the disclaimer at the bottom of the page, Mr Spencer should keep a better eye on some of the postings here. Remember, as well, that Israel’s conscript IDF would desert en masse over such a move. Most Israelis have zero appetite for ethnic cleansing, since their ancestors went through this in Europe and the Middle East.

    It’s ironic that people here legitimately complain about the ‘Islamophobia’ label, as a cudgel to shut down criticism of Islamic regimes and actions, but trot out the ‘Jew-hater’ epithet, when any criticism of Israeli policy. Israel’s government certainly has the right and obligation to respond militarily to these rocket attacks. But a long-term solution will NOT involve the continuation of failed settlement policies, or the ethnic cleansing advocated by certain people here. I wonder how many of these people are actually Jewish, and not from the Rapture-awaiting Christian fringe, since polls in Israel indicate most people oppose settlement construction, and support Palestinian statehood:

    http://rense.com/general38/back.htm

    http://www.kas.de/israel/en/pages/11244/

    http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/article2479913.ece

    http://www.economist.com/node/21530117

    And most people in the United States–Israel’s patron–oppose settlement construction:

    http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/04/30/Poll-Americans-oppose-Israeli-settlements/UPI-49401241064060/

    Popular sentiment, and not wacky conspiracy theories about President Obama’s closet Muslim faith, are what largely drives American politics, especially during election cycles.

  19. says

    “Israel’s problem is an ethnic conflict over very scarce land.”—

    Err… no. it’s actually intrinsic, millennial old anti-semitism embedded in Islam/Quran and Islamic imperialism started by the warlord, pedophile and rapist known as Pedohammed. Learn to history:

    http://i45.tinypic.com/10nucxu.gif

    “Egypt and Iraq were two of Israel’s worst military enemies, and were run by secular (Ba’athist) regimes… “:

    Anti-israeli policies were/are use by dictators in the Middle East to garner support, because of pervasive, millennial old anti-semitism embedded in Islam. Again, learn to history.

    Will the taqiyya and buffoonery ever end?.

    http://is.gd/XFmmWY

  20. says

    “Are you a Muslim? I’m curious.”

    Actually, I’m a Roman Catholic. And I’m NOT a fan of Islam–either theologically, or the effect Muslim and other mass immigration has had on Canada. And, in cases like defending itself from rocket volleys on civilians, I support the Israeli government’s use of military force. But Israel is an ethnically JEWISH state, and not a Christian one, and I don’t see any particular reason to give carte blanche support for the country, especially as the Israeli government hasn’t treated the Christian community especially well:

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/senior-catholic-cleric-if-jews-want-respect-they-must-respect-others-1.463320

    http://972mag.com/israels-not-so-stellar-record-on-treatment-of-christians/43325/

    http://mondoweiss.net/2012/03/the-myth-of-israels-favorable-treatment-of-palestinian-christians.html

    “This also makes my finely-tuned, Mexican – made BS meter begin to tremble…”

    I’m not sure what that racist gobbledigook is supposed to mean.

    “And as for the whole ‘Palestinian nation’ schtick, that’s only for external consumption.”

    Few people take you seriously, when you deny that there is such a thing as a ‘Palestinian’ ethnic identity. Most people in the Palestinian territories identify themselves as such, as does most of the international community. Even amongst the majority of Israelis, there is consensus about this.

    We can agree that Israel has a right to respond to military aggression (e.g., these rocket attacks) in kind. But accusing people of ‘Jew-hatred’ for such things as criticizing settlement-building, or pointing out that there is, in fact, such as ethnic group as ‘Palestinian’ is as silly as those folks, criticized at length here, who refer to any condemnation of honour killings, or Islamic terrorism as ‘Islamophobia.’

    And Robert Spencer really needs to keep tabs on some of the stuff posted here. The disclaimer below is NOT sufficient legal protection. There is a big legal difference between condemning terrorism and military aggression by a certain group, and calling for the forced removal of that group. Advocating ethnic cleansing is flatly illegal in most countries, and likely in iffy territory, in terms of First Amendment protection, in the United States. Already, any of the many Islamic grievance groups with Jihadwatch in its sights has the legal ammunition to shut this site down and press criminal charges, because of the insane comments of people like @dumbledoresarmy, or @Islofob IS-1. Responding to the genocidal rhetoric that comes out of Islamic firebrands’ mouths with anti-Palestinian counter venom isn’t solving anything, especially as such opinions find little favour in Israel itself. Most Israelis, especially those who have served in the IDF, would be horrified with some of the statements here.

  21. says

    Thomsa h writes, “Popular sentiment, and not wacky conspiracy theories about President Obama’s closet Muslim faith, are what largely drives American politics, especially during election cycles.”

    And “popular sentiment” supported Neville Chamberlain over Winston Churchill.

    Popularity contests – particularly those supported by hundred million dollar campaign efforts that manipulate the truth – often result in very bad results and very, very bad decisions.

  22. says

    Thomas h writes, “But a long-term solution will NOT involve the continuation of failed settlement policies…”

    Sadly there is no long-term solution since negotiating with the Palestinians is like negotiating with the Nazis.

    The Palestinians are no more interested in making peace with the Israelis than Hitler was in treating them like anything other than lab animals.

    The Israelis could abandon the settlements and it would make no difference. The Palestinians would then demand reparations and right of return. The Israelis could pay reparations and give the Palestinians the right of return and it would not matter. For then the Palestinians would be free to blow themselves up in buses, restaurants, cinemas and elsewhere without hassles.

    Israel would become like all the other nations where Muslims ethnically cleanse those who do not agree with Sharia and with treating Muslims as superior beings, only in Israel this would be far worse than even what the Muslims did in Sudan.

    Thomas, you remind me of all those intellectuals who are so damn good at lecturing others about right and wrong but who have no clue about the real world. Do you have tenure at an Ivy League university by any chance, because you sure seem like the type.

  23. says

    Fatah/PLO was a secular-nationalist movement, with Christian members. Egypt and Iraq were two of Israel’s worst military enemies, and were run by secular (Ba’athist) regimes. Ba’athism was promulgated by secular arabs, including Christians…

    But underneath those secular-nationalist movements an Islamic ethos and culture remained profoundly ingrained. Muslim Arabs went for Ba’athist fascist regimes because Islamic culture is profoundly authoritarian, as Bernard Lewis long ago pointed out. And Christians in the region are not a completely autonomous culture anymore, but have often become what should be called Islamo-Christians, peoples intimidated into adopting the prejudices of the region’s dominant Islamic culture, which also seeps in by a sort of osmosis, to the point where the Islamo-Christians have lost an independent consciousness and often don’t even know they’ve lost it. And, for the sake of their own survival in the region, they have often consented to throw Israel under the bus. It’s a perhaps understandable appeasement, without which Islamo-Christians would have suffered at the hands of the Muslim-majority even more than is happening.

    Israel has Muslim friends (Azerbaijan) and Christians who support its enemies (Armenia, Russia).

    Yes, there are always exceptions to the rule. So what? The rule still exists: Islam is uniquely aggressive toward the Jews, because of the Qur’an and Hadith’s profound anti-Semitism (see for example here and here and here and here and here and here), and because Muhammad’s disgusting behavior toward the Jews is taken as normative and the highest example.

    While Israel’s current major conflict is with Islamist elements, Israel’s ‘troubles’ wouldn’t disappear if Islam did.

    No, but 85% of its troubles would disappear.

    Israel’s problem is an ethnic conflict over very scarce land.

    Wrong. Israel’s problem is that it is surrounded by an expansionist, totalitarian, theocratic political movement that is 1400 years old and for which compromise is impossible except for short term tactical purposes. Part of the core theology of that movement says that once a piece of the earth has been dominated by Islam, it must always be dominated by Islam. The Jews offend against that, and because of that offense, and the profound Jew-hatred in the Qur’an, a continual jihad is waged using all kinds of means with the purpose of wiping Israel from the face of the earth. That’s the problem faced by Israel.

  24. says

    Hi traeh, nice to see you commenting here more. Your comments are often full of substance and good links.

    However, I have one demurrer:

    “As for the question of whether “Palestinians” really exist as a distinct national or ethnic group, well, by now they do. I agree with Daniel Pipes on this point. He affirms that they were invented a couple of generations ago on the basis of an historical lie. But he also affirms that regardless of the falsity of their foundation a couple of generations ago, the fact is they now exist.”

    If we’re going to grant existence to fictitious countries and their countrymen, I much prefer to accord the honor to the Duchy of Grand Fenwick, supposedly located in the Alps between Switzerland and France (even if they did try to invade New York City, a forgiveable faux pas for their leader, Peter Sellers).

  25. says

    I was going to type that “I can think of one good application of ‘ethnic cleansing’ with regard to Muslims, involving lots of soap and water adn fire-hydrants” — but I decided not to.

  26. says

    Tons more spam from the vile antisemite https://me.yahoo.com/a/jn3RbDthtvWVAf4SjINGi9CXvxDuiL5_YGM-#76700:

    Zionism is really just a democratic version on Ba’athism–secular nationalism, emphasis on national development, and some statist economic features. Kemalism and 1920s pan-Turanianism were similar. This type of ideology is something the Palestinians should have copied. Instead, with foreign support, they went for a kleptocratic version of Ba’athism, then various shades of Sunni and Shi’a theocratic ideology. Meanwhile, Israel has developed into a democratic and relatively well-of country.
    ………………………

    Your implication that with just a few small tweaks that Jihad-ridden “Palestine” could be vibrant Israel is simply grotesque. The malignant creed of Islam precludes that entirely.

    More:

    Yet a small religious fringe element–and an anti-Zionist one, at that–has hijacked Israel’s political process, and is bogging down the country in an unwinable conflict over scrappy settlements that are populated by ant-Zionist draft-dodgers.
    ………………………

    You’ve spouted this bullsh*t here before”the idea that Israel would have no problems if it weren’t for the “settlements”. This is obvious crap”in that case, why were Muslims attacking Israel pre-1967? And why do Muslims”including Fatah and Hamas”talk not about dismantling the “settlements”, but of destroying Israel outright?

    You’re just hoping to find some naïve and uninformed people here who will believe this crap.

    More:

    Unless there is a secular, democratic state in the Palestinian territories, with control over its borders, there is zero chance of kicking out the Syrian, Iranian, and other elements that are using Palestine and its population to fight a war against Israel.
    ………………………

    Lots of bs here”and all crap you’re spouted before. The “Palestinian” territories will never be democratic because Islam is not democratic, and, in fact, pious Muslims consider democracy un-Islamic.

    And your implication that it is only ‘foreign elements’ who want to see the “Palestinians” fight Israel is utter rot”Fatah and Hamas and rank-and-file “Palestinian” Muslims all want to see Israel destroyed.

    More:

    “Israel’s problems with its neighbours would disappear if Islam disappeared.”

    Fatah/PLO was a secular-nationalist movement, with Christian members. Egypt and Iraq were two of Israel’s worst military enemies, and were run by secular (Ba’athist) regimes. Ba’athism was promulgated by secular arabs, including Christians.
    ………………………

    Ba’athism had only the vaguest gloss of secularism. Much “Pan-Arabism” was indistinguishable from Muslim supremacism in its aims.

    And your implication”again, nothing new from you”that large numbers of Christian Arabs were attacking Israel is simply false.

    More:

    Israel has Muslim friends (Azerbaijan) and Christians who support its enemies (Armenia, Russia).
    ………………………

    More calumny against the Armenians. Armenia has”quite foolishly, in my opinion”made overtures to Iran as a hedge against the very real threat they face from Turkey. Your implication that their links to Iran are primarily driven by homicidal antisemitism is simply false.

    More:

    While Israel’s current major conflict is with Islamist elements, Israel’s ‘troubles’ wouldn’t disappear if Islam did. Israel’s problem is an ethnic conflict over very scarce land.
    ………………………

    What utter crap. Dar-al-Islam is hundreds of times the size of tiny Israel.

    Muslims just cannot stand seeing Infidels”especially the hated Jews”living free while surrounded by Muslim lands.

    *That’s* why they want to drive Israel into the sea.

    The fact is that Muslims had comparatively little interest in the Levant before the founding of Israel, and the old Ottoman Empire had let much of the land fall into disuse.

    If local Muslims were really concerned about “scarce land”, they would adopt many of their Jewish neighbors’ superior methods of land management.

    They call the Israeli border “The Green Line” for good reason. You can see verdant Israeli farmland directly bordering desolate Gazan wasteland from the air. This has nothing to do with the intrinsic value of the land, but rather in its husbanding.

    More:
    …And you are advocating ethnic cleansing, plain and simple…
    ………………………

    The only “ethnic cleansing” the IDF has ever been involved with was making Gaza “Judenrein” so that the Muslims could take it over.

    And we see how *that* has worked out, with Gazan Muslims turning the land into one big launching pad for Jihad terror against Israel.

    More:

    I wonder how many of these people are actually Jewish, and not from the Rapture-awaiting Christian fringe…
    ………………………

    Your smearing of any Gentiles who support civilized Israel against those who threaten to destroy her and her people as necessarily coming from the “Rapture-awaiting Christian fringe” is grotesque calumny.

    As though no non-Jew could support Israel against Jihadists for rational reasons, and hence must want to see Israel destroyed by a bunch of Jihdist barbarians.

    More:

    Actually, I’m a Roman Catholic. And I’m NOT a fan of Islam…
    ………………………

    Well, you could have fooled me’since you have not once chimed in here at Jihad Watch to condemn any aspect of Jihad, no matter how hideous; but only to urge people here to abandon Israel to their Jihad destroyers.

    Pretty odd for someone who is “NOT a fan of Islam”…

  27. says

    Hamas is only protecting itself by sending deadly rockets into Israel…It may seem antagonistic, but in reality they are reaching out for peace…It’s based on that old Islamic saying, ‘The floggings will continue until morale improves’…The movie ‘Cool hand Luke’, expressed that…After spending three days in a box, the Boss man asked him, ‘is your mind right yet’? To which Luke replied, Yes Boss my mind is right’…That’s all Hamas want’s from Israel, just get your mind right, surrender to the authority of Allah, or go back in the box…One way to achieve peace is to keep your enemy locked in a box…

  28. says

    And I realize that “powerful” was used in connection with the mosque and not this imam character; still, it doesn’t make it true …

  29. says

    Ah, that dissonant siren song from the liberal left again! You wrote: ‘.. a small religious fringe element …has hijacked Israel’s political process, and is bogging down the country ….’

    Wrong! A bunch of Islamic thugs, obeying the mandate of a 7th Century desert bandit to commit genocide are flexing their muscle to see how much damage they can do to the victims, the Jews.

    Israel’s problems with its neighbours would disappear if Islam disappeared. It’s a religious war that has been prosecuted by Islam for nearly 1,400 years.

    You’re a liar and a clown!

  30. says

    you seem to be of the opinion that all Isreal has to do is dismantle settlements and move the settlers back into Isreal for peace with the muslim world.
    Well I have news for you, with muslims it won’t work. muslims and the so called palastinians don’t want a seperate nation alongside Isreal, remember a few years back when Isreal controlled the Sinia.
    People like you said if only Isreal would give it back than we would have peace. well Isreal gave it back and what do the muslims want? They still want to drive the Jews into the see and take possesion of all the things built by the jews. No not enough said the world AIrseal must get out of south Lebananon, well the got out and then what did the muslims want?
    bstill want to drive the jews into the see and take possesion of all the things built by them. No, not enough, said the world you must get out of Gaza, so Isreal got out of Gaza and then what did
    the muslims want? They still want to drive the Jws into the see and take possesion of all the things built by built by them.

    As you can see the muslims had plenty of time and vast quantity of land to build their state, but they don’t have the desire to build one, what every one of these palastinian and their muslim backers want is do? They still want to drive the jews into the see and take possesion of all the things built by them.

    As you can see, every time Isreal has offered them land for peace it has only made them more violent and bloodthirsty. would these muslim care what kinds of Jews they want drive into the sea? no they don’t.they don’t care if there are orthodox jews who don’r serve in the militery or there are certain jews who think Isreal should not exist because god himself didn’t create it. it matters not to the muslim they hate them all. and you have fallen for their propaganda. Please do snap out of ,and pointing out fringe elements of a society is pointless.

  31. says

    “YGM” …must stand for You-Gutless-Moron …

    Hey people that take your position regarding Israel are weak and stupid; and it’s plain to see that you can’t be counted on to do the right thing and STAND BY ISRAEL! Also, do you realize that you’re in the minority, here, by siding with islamic terrorists? …so count on getting clobbered; which is what you deserve. And if you don’t consider your position aligned with islamic terrorists, then you’re in denial, so think again.

  32. says

    @me.yahoo

    “So, you’re advocating ethnic cleansing, then?”

    If feasible, ethnic cleaning, would be the most effective, both for Jews and Arabs, life saving, and therefore perfectly moral, scenario.

    There is absolutely no reason to rule out such a possibility. On the contrary, it may happen within the framework of the global scenario of violent clash between the Western and Islamic civilizations. We are at the early and relatively quiet, but already simmering, stage of the clash. The sooner the violent stage arrives the less extreme its cost in human life and suffering will be.

    Of course, there is a possibility that the violent stage of the clash never arrives. Unfortunately that would mean the death of the Western civilization and, by extension, Israel.

  33. says

    You wrote:

    “Already, any of the many Islamic grievance groups with Jihadwatch in its sights has the legal ammunition to shut this site down and press criminal charges, because of the insane comments of people like @dumbledoresarmy, or @Islofob IS-1.”

    Whatever are you talking about? I have never read any “insane comments”, as you purport, coming from either of these posters. Interesting that you level this false claim without so much as a single shred of evidence. That’s because there isn’t any …

    You are lying. Be gone, islamic troll. Methinks I smell a rat posing as a “Roman Catholic”. Yea, sure you are! …and I’m the Queen the England.

  34. says

    You said,

    …accusing people of ‘Jew-hatred’ for such things as criticizing settlement-building, or pointing out that there is, in fact, such as ethnic group as ‘Palestinian’ is as silly as those folks, criticized at length here, who refer to any condemnation of honour killings

    I don’t accuse the Palestinians of Jew-hatred because of criticism of settlements. I accuse them of Jew hatred because their media contains the most obscene and fanatical Jew-hatred, as documented by such organizations as MEMRI, and because the Palestinians repeatedly make clear their desire to wipe Israel off the face of the earth — which they wish to do in order to live out the Islamic religious mythos, for example the following hadiths:

    Muhammad says that one day the very trees and stones will help Muslims to kill Jews.

    He says it both in Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, Islam’s two most canonical hadith collections:

    Sahih Muslim Book 041, Number 6985:

    Abu Huraira [a companion of Muhammad] reported Allah’s Messenger [Muhammad] (may peace be upon him) as saying:

    The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

    Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 791:

    Narrated ‘Abdullah bin “Umar [son of the 2nd caliph, Abdullah was about 18 when Muhammad died]:

    I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, ‘O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!’ “

    Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:

    Narrated ‘Abdullah bin “Umar [son of the 2nd caliph, Abdullah was about 18 when Muhammad died]:

    Allah’s Apostle [Muhammad] said, “You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, ‘O ‘Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.’ “

    Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:

    Narrated Abu Huraira [a companion of Muhammad]:

    Allah’s Apostle [Muhammad] said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”

    For more Islamic Jew-hatred, see the links in my 5:31 comment above. So you are completely wrong. Israel’s problem is not an ethic conflict over “scarce land.” Israel is not equally to blame. The United States was not at fault for World War II, which should be laid at the doors of Hitler’s Germany and Tojo’s Japan. Similarly, the fault for the conflict between the Islamo-fascist Palestinians and the Israelis falls largely on the former.

    As for the question of whether “Palestinians” really exist as a distinct national or ethnic group, well, by now they do. I agree with Daniel Pipes on this point. He affirms that they were invented a couple of generations ago on the basis of an historical lie. But he also affirms that regardless of the falsity of their foundation a couple of generations ago, the fact is they now exist.

  35. says

    “So, you’re advocating ethnic cleansing, then?”

    thomas, per your agreement with my response to this bozo from that other thread, I think you may not be fully aware of the conventional definition of ethnic cleansing:

    “a policy designed by one ethnic or religious group to purposely remove by violent and terror-inspiring means as well as deportation and killing the civilian population of another ethnic or religious group from certain geographic areas.”

    The “as well as deportation” part means explicitly that ethnic cleansing necessarily involves killing and terrorizing.

    As I think you agree, Israel should have the right to forcibly remove the troublesome Muslims (i.e., all the Muslims, though many Israelis are so damned decent and, dare I say, somewhat infected with liberalism, they would not agree to the “all” part) from Gaza and other areas under Israeli control — but not actually kill and terrorize in order to remove the problem. The killing would only happen to the extent that Muslims violently resist being removed. That’s not “ethnic cleansing”: That’s called self-defense.

    In the Balkans, Milosevich and his Serbian people were faced with such brazen horrific savagery from Muslims (aided by NATO/American forces) that when the Serbs simply fought in self-defense, it resembled something that could be misconstrued as ethnic cleansing only because the sheer necessity of fending off the Muslim savagery had to use a ferocity proportional to the offense — else it would have been a genocide against the Serbs. As it is, it was bad enough; but had the Serbs not resisted as extremely as they had to, it would have been annihilation for them.

    Analogous to the problem Israel has with the Muslims around them.

  36. says

    LemonLime,

    I admit I didn’t know the full, conventional definition of the term. I assumed it involves only removing, or deportation, but not by the means of terror. Thanks for making me aware of it.

    Analogous to the problem Israel has with the Muslims around them.

    Similarity is striking to all who care to see and should serve as urgent warning to Israelis.

  37. says

    Sir,
    I think you have it wrong about thomas h. Look again. Thomas did not write the line you quoted. It was written by our latest Islamic apologist troll daramand/me.yahoo whose posts bear a strong resemblance in tone and theme to those of that old finger wagging Muhammadan rotter, fairuzfan/Rx. Many JW readers remember the masks of the fairuzfan, and me.yahoo seems to be playing a similar game.

    Respectfully,
    classicus

  38. says

    Thank you for spotting the mix-up, Classicus.
    At the moment I’m rather busy and have little time to follow the JW blog, so I missed it.
    regards,

    Thomas

  39. says

    A fine post, traeh. Others, such as thomas and dumbledoresarmy, have also ably fended off this Islamopologist yahoo.

    I don’t know if anyone else has noticed, but it seems that there has been a concerted blitz of Islamopologist comments revolving around the latest Israeli troubles, most of them using those long yahoo nicknames. If their intent was to obfuscate the issue for other readers of Jihad Watch, they’re sadly mistaken. All they’ve managed to do is the opposite: to arouse clarity out of the intelligent ire of regulars here, by provoking persuasive defenses of Israel.

    The last laugh is on the yahoos.

  40. says

    Thank you, LemonLime. I hope all is well.

    I have noticed those long nicknames lately, but haven’t paid much attention to their content till this thread…

  41. says

    Thanks for your words of support.

    My post was to effect the end of the threat, of a active enemy outpost inside the host country (Israel). Gaza was a gift, and it was turned into a enemy base against them.

    They have every right to revoke this gift under these conditions, and must do so to save the lives of the people.

    This is not about “ethnic cleansing” , not at all. It is islam that must go from Gaza, and with it those who follow it.

    Let Gaza be cleared of this threat from islam. The rocket fire must end, and that requires a empty strip.

    Sorry if some do not understand, or replace the meaning, or label ideas as nuts, so be it.

  42. says

    Of course, Islofob IS-1 …you’re welcome!

    And your comment did not so much as hint at “ethnic cleansing”, so I don’t even know what YGM is talking about. He’s a liar, that much is clear; and what he gets out of lying is anyone’s guess.

    Take care.

  43. says

    It’s good you didn’t as it would have made me commenting with a happy “LOL” thus making myself an accomplice in your blasphemy against the PC religion

  44. says

    LL

    you wrote, above -‘ I was going to type that “I can think of one good application of ‘ethnic cleansing’ with regard to Muslims, involving lots of soap and water adn fire-hydrants” — but I decided not to.’

    The Chinese got there before you.

    From an article that appeared in the Jerusalem Post on 8/ 8/ 2008, in the run-up to the Beijing Olympics:

    ‘Islamic Group Threatens Olympic Transport’.

    “Urumqi has been on high alert. Security guards were checking bags at the entrances of hotels, department stores and discos in the busy city, which unlike other Xinjiang cities is predominantly Han Chinese – the nation’s largest ethnic group. In the past 50 years, Han Chinese have been flooding into the region, creating another sore point with the Uighurs. {Muslims don’t like it when one of their own classic techniques for seizing turf – the hegira, as discussed in Sam Solomon and Elias al Muqdisi’s book ‘Modern Trojan Horse: The Islamic Doctrine of Immigration’ – is successfully used *against* them – dda].

    “At noon prayers at one of the city’s largest mosques, the crowd spilled out onto sidewalks, where men knelt on prayer rugs.

    “** A street-cleaning truck blasting loud music roared by the crowd spraying water that soaked the backs of worshippers.** {my emphasis – dda}.

  45. says

    You wrote:

    “Well, you could have fooled me’since you have not once chimed in here at Jihad Watch to condemn any aspect of Jihad, no matter how hideous; but only to urge people here to abandon Israel to their Jihad destroyers.

    Pretty odd for someone who is ‘NOT a fan of Islam’…”

    Exactly, Gravenimage. I noted the same thing, as well. Also, stating that he isn’t a fan of islam is sooo lightweight and not at all hard hitting. C’mon I wanna read that he HATES islam, just as you and I and so many others do; islam is evil to the core and deserves our complete and utter contempt.

  46. says

    Gravenimage

    Nicely dissected.

    Thanks for doing that.

    Something I keep being reminded of, when wading through YGM’s floods of disinformation and misinformation and sly jabs and digs concealed behind a disingenuous smile: the Muslim tactic of ‘split the camp’, of exacerbating and exploiting any existing divisions or differences that may exist among the kuffar, and attempting to create new ones.

    The only thing that is unclear about him is whether he is an old-fashioned non-Muslim Jew-hater, or a Mohammedan in a mask: and if the latter, whether he is from the Sunni camp, or an Iranian Shiite.

  47. says

    Thanks, Champ and Dumbledore’s Army. This creep has been spamming the threads here at JW with calls to abandon Israel.

    And DDA, I’m not sure exactly what precise sort of antisemite he is, either”but I believe “Jihad apologist” covers it either way.