Media manipulation: "Palestinians" push their children to taunt IDF soldiers, as media stand ready to film scene of "Israeli soldier brutalizing Palestinian children"

"Palestinian" children, pushed forward by their parents, busily try to build the myth of evil Israeli soldiers brutalizing children. Mainstream media jackals stand ready to film the whole "brutal" incident. The Israeli soldiers, however, won't play along with the Paliwood propaganda.

Video thanks to Pamela Geller.

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It's a very terrible this these imams and the parents of these children to do. Which is brainwash their children and then get them all worked up against the Israeli soldiers and then are just waiting and looking for something to happen fo reasons of propaqanda. They are just using them for their Islamic agenda.
These adults should be ashamed of themselves. Nevertheless. since they are infected with the hate of Islam they are not.

Media manipulation: "Palestinians" push their children to taunt IDF soldiers, as media stand ready to film scene of "Israeli soldier brutalizing Palestinian children"
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Hooray for Paliwood! sarc/off

Palestinians hiding behind their children.
Bin Laden hiding behind one of his wives.
Muhammad hiding behind the army unit.

Muhammad's followers are cowards because their teacher was coward.

http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2011/03/muhammad-coward.html

Yea this video is a real myth buster ...

Over the years we have seen numerous staged scenes by the Palestinians to get the ever so culpable and naive media to do their propaganda feed to the rest of the World.

Paliwood...what goes on behind the scenes...

Since, on January 21, 2012, America will definitely join the Third World, Uncle Kepha puts all and sundry on notice that he has no sense of noblesse oblige when Third World peoples are beaten and bullied by "colonizers" of any stripe. Let all who identify with Arab Muslim culture weep on the shoulders of the Aramaean Christians, Amazigh, Teba, and Mizrahi Jews. Let Aryan South Asia weep on the shoulders of its own Dravidians and tribals. Let the Thai, Viet, and Burmese weep on the shoulders of the Mon-Khmer. Let Sub-Saharan Africa weep on the shoulders of the Bambuti and the Khoisan peoples. Etc. Etc.

And, noting the little descendant of an apostate Crusader, I tell her that the aborigine has returned to reclaim his land.

those kids are very light skinned and with very light hairs.... are the arabs?
M

anyone notice how blonde some of these kids are? I have to wonder where that's coming from. White Slave trade perhaps?

miriam: I would hazard a guess as to either palestinian men are taking stupid liberal North American or other white Women for wives; or there is some white slave trade going on around there (kidnapped white women or children, who then go on to marry palestinian ment)

I have dark hair and olive skin. My ex-wife is blond hair and blue eyes born and bred in CA. our kids are a mix of both, but nothing like those kids in the video. I am thinking they are PC liberal jews western or otherwise doing this s....
M

Check out:

"Fritz (Frederick) Haber,Jewish-German Genius,the Jews and the Koran"

http://www.antisharia.com/2012/11/12/fritz-frederick-haberjewish-german-geniusthe-jews-and-the-koran/

"The Tamil Tigers were Terrorists but were they Hindu-Religious Terrorists?Not at All,but in the West that is What they Tell You"

http://www.antisharia.com/2012/11/09/the-tamil-tigers-were-terrorists-but-were-they-hindu-religious-terroristsnot-at-allbut-in-the-west-that-is-what-they-tell-you/

"Was Firdausi,the First Great Persian Poet,Saviour of the Language,a Secret Apostate?"

http://www.antisharia.com/2011/09/30/was-firdausithe-first-great-persian-poetsaviour-of-the-languagea-secret-apostate/

Dear Jihad Watch readers:

The child could be "Palestinian" because keep in mind their is no such ethnicity as "Palestinain." The Arabs or Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon and other states arrived in the British Mandate area in droves to take advantage of the economic prosperity, stability and modern infrastructure being created and supported by the Jews of "Palestine" whether Jewish settler, Sabra or those Jews whose ancestors lived in the area for generations unbroken.

Oh yea, there were also large numbers of European moslems from the Balkans (ie former Yugoslavia), Bosnia, etc- who poured into the region as well. So little moppet of hate and rage can be a blonde "Palestinian." I believe a similar article about this same child made reference to being "muslim" (whether Arabic or Bosnian European I don't know) and the child's brother had been arrested on terror charges.

Then she could be the daughter of virulently anti-Semitic Westerners who use their children like pawns... hoping them to be future Rachel Corys.

The anti-Israeli movement is so sick and twisted whether its muslim or pro-Arab westerners... they put their children in harm's way by throwing rocks, jumping in front of tanks and confronting armed military personnel. It is a credit to the humanity, discipline and humanity of the Israeli soldier that they don't react to these heinous little monsters.

The Islamists turn their children into suicide bombers and then send scud rockets into Israeli towns and villages in the hopes of killing Jewish children. With this sort of depravity, barbarism and just plane sick minded adults running the Islam-World show... is it any wonder the world is a dangerous place.

As for the media... always their to show how "evil Israelis are" yet absent when muslims commit atrocities against Jews.

One can hope that after the media left... one of thos soldiers gave that little upstart of sound spanking. However, probably not likely.

I've known very light-skinned, light-eyed, light-haired people from Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, and 'Eretz Yisroel--and the latter were not necessarily Ashkenazi Jews. And, for Miriam Rove's advantage, I've known light Persians, too. Similarly, I've known swarthy Germans and Brits who couldn't find a Roma, Jew, or South Asian in their family trees to save their hides. I've known dark people descending from northern China, and light people from Lingnan [China's Deep South]. Come to think of it, a lot of Thai and Hmong from the Phak Neua are pale yellow rather than the brown of the lower Maenam Chao Phraya basin.

And, I'm going to apologize for my previous post. I'm going to pray for President Obama, that God would open his eyes before it's too late for the rest of the country.

I'm a Christian, and hardly a fan of Islamists, or the Muslim religion, but the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is far more complex than some existential battle between Muslims and Kufars. Some of the coverage, here, is grossly slanted, and omits relevant facts. Writing the ethnonym Palestinian in quotes is a pretty naked example of bias, here. Like it, or not, there is a distinct 'Palestinian' ethnic group--just like 'Egyptians,' Syrians,' etc.--and this ethnicity includes a substantial Christian majority. The Israeli government never treated the Christian population of the region particularly well, and this is reflected in the presence of Palestinian Christians in the ranks of Fatah/PLO, and the Ba'athist movement.

Pamella Geller is, unfortunately, injecting her own ethno-religious biases into this issue. Notwithstanding Ms Geller's advertising campaign, The Christian majority in the West does not have any compelling interest in supporting Israel, which is a Jewish, not Christian entity. (There is no such thing as a 'Judeo-Christian' identity.) And most Israelis actually support the creation of a secular, democratic Palestinian state, with 'right of return' off the table, and recognition of Israel as a national entity. And most Israeli Jews do NOT support the building of settlements, nor the ultra-Orthodox fringe that keeps building them, but refuses to serve in the IDF. The problem is Israel's idiotic proportional voting system, which holds the Knesset hostage to wackjobs like Shas. The ultra-Orthodox movement is really the mirror image of the Hamas fruitcakes, and--like Islamism--needs to be eliminated as a political force in the region.

Please don't turn a legitimate criticism of dangerous political movements (Sunni and Shi'a Islamism) into propaganda for the policies of the Israeli government and behaviour of the IDF, which are hardly benevolent, or above criticism. This is not constructive, especially in terms of making your critique of Palestinian Islamism appear to be anything more than Muslim vs Jewish sectarian fighting, which the West's majority Christian population has no stake in. Regardless of what Ms Geller wants people to believe, the West really has no dog in this race, any more than Palestinians and Israeli Jews have a stake in Northern Ireland.

I preferred your first post, Kepha. You have nothing to apologize for. And I'll bet you a case of the beer of your choice that Obama will never open his eyes. He is eternally blind about Israel, capitalism, Islam, America and many other things. He is atrociously ignorant. But if your prayers should change him, then this old skeptic will take another look at Christianity, as well as having to buy that case of beer I mentioned.

I'm not impressed by your post. Consider, among other things, the fate of Arab Christians at the hands of Arab Muslims. Anyone of sense knows or should know that Christians under Israeli control are far, far better off than under Muslim control. Frankly, I suspect you're a troll.

After Newt Gingrich said the Palestinians are an invented people, dedicated to Israel's destruction, some folks pointed out the American peoples are also an invented people, though unlike the Palestinians, not dedicated to any specific group's eradication. Those who (in response to Gingrich) said the American people are likewise an invented people had / have a point, don't they. America is a conglomeration of peoples - a melting pot - as are the Palestinian Arabs. Many different Arab peoples immigrated to Israel over the decades. On what basis do you conclude the Palestinians are a distinct ethnic people? As to your point about bias, what is wrong with bias. You obviously have your own bias. In some instances, bias can be a good thing, can it not?

You wrote: "There is no such thing as a 'Judeo-Christian' identity."

As I understand the term, Judeo-Christian means those values Jews and Christians hold in common. For example, I am pro-life. I believe innocent human life (born and unborn) is deserving of protection. That is a Judeo-Christian value. I believe the traditional definition of marriage is one man and one woman. That is a Judeo-Christian value.

You wrote: "The Israeli government never treated the Christian population of the region particularly well, and this is reflected in the presence of Palestinian Christians in the ranks of Fatah/PLO, and the Ba'athist movement."

Lebanese born Christian activist Brigitte Gabriel in her book "Because They Hate: A Survivor of Islamic Terror Warns America" wrote, Arab children are taught to hate the Jews "from their mother's milk."

Two Muslim-veiled women cut off “infidel” Christian’s hair, throw her out of metro

'... those veiled women who belong to the Organization of the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice'. In other words, they're members of the Muslim Brotherhood, the savages who now run Egypt.

http://www.bikyamasr.com/80603/egypt-veiled-women-cut-off-infidel-christians-hair-throw-her-out-of-metro/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Bu... bu... but remember kids, it's all about the muslim brotherhood created ad hominem "Islamophobia"!... yeah, an ad hominem created by the same people who throw dirty 'kuffar' off the metro in Cairo.

Hi Arjay, you wrote

Then she could be the daughter of virulently anti-Semitic Westerners who use their children like pawns... hoping them to be future Rachel Corys.

That is exactly what I thought, mini saint Pancakes, to strengthen that, the girls are not dressed how you would expect them to be, especially the older one, no head covering

Laughable! Those are Islamized European kids belong to the camera crew, the Gaza blockade activists.

https said: "Like it, or not, there is a distinct 'Palestinian' ethnic group--just like 'Egyptians,' Syrians,' etc.--and this ethnicity includes a substantial Christian majority. The Israeli government never treated the Christian population of the region particularly well, and this is reflected in the presence of Palestinian Christians in the ranks of Fatah/PLO, and the Ba'athist movement."

The so-called Palestinian ethnic group is a modern creation. Fakeistinians is the accurate name. They are arabs brought in to be an arab muslim replacement for the jews, who are the 3000yr old owners of that and no other land. And for Islam, it was absolutely necessary to destroy 'Israeli's, and Israel, not because they were usurpers but because Islam was and is the usurper of that and all 'other' lands. Israel, and it's origins has to be erased to allowed for the reality of Islam to become the 'only' reality.
Oh... as for the christians, they've been taught to shut their mouths, accept that they are deemed to be also allowed to live as dhimmi's as long, as long as, they parrot that view. And Christians were jew despisers for many centuries and especially in the middle east where after being erased from ALL their lands their, they could only hang on if... IF, they joined in with muslim and arab bigotry and hatred of JEWS.

Fakeistinians. And as we see everywhere. There is never any retreat by Islam. Only... threats to kill others.

Your online friendship and good opinion are enough for me either way, Wellington. Besides, gambling's against my religion, and, while I like an occasional glass of wine or beer, a case is a little much for me.

Yes, I will pray that Obama's eyes be opened. I guess I've read too much of William Tyndale. I freely concede that once the ball's in the Almighty's court, it's up to him to say, "yes", "no", or "give it time" to my petition; for as the heavens are high above the earth, so are God's thoughts above ours and his ways above ours (Isaiah 55:9). Yes, I know I've got a difficult faith. And, I also pray that the Pres' eyes will be opened by the accumulation of evidence from the intelligence agencies, State, and whatnot rather than by another terrorist attack on the USA (for there's a part of me that groans at how such things seem needful to make a Leftist see).

I still think this administration's helping turn us into a Third World country, and I do indeed take a jaundiced view of "liberation" movements that are merely fronts for increased barbarities. And, I do not regret having voted for the Mormon or participating in political life, for I'm of the Reformed rather than Anabaptist persuasion (although I've yet to meet a cradle Mennonite whom I didn't like).

But, I also have to live with the admonition that prayers are to be made for those in authority (I Tim. 1:2); and considering the verse I cited, such is the case even if the one in authority is Nero Caesar (which, I pray, no American president might turn out to be). Yes, though he slay me, yet will I trust him (Job 13:15).

And, now that the sermon's done, I think you're right about a possible troll.

ok FELLAS! Boys & Girls~ the RACE IS ON!

from WELLINGTON's perspective, will the obummer (a word i took to using after the devastating last election..) will obummer be like the pharoh of the Old Testement who had a hard heart, and no matter how much trouble and "hints" to CHANGE....he kept his hard heart.

then one day, "GOD HARDENED HIS HEART". end of the line mister. the pharoh perished. this was while he was doing more of his dirty work and his army and ALL those HORSES died with him.

OR, from Kepha's optomistic hope,will the race end with obummer being like Saul who became Paul, a major speaker for the LORD JESUS in the New Testement?

(i'm not in the race. but i think obummer is like KING SAUL in the Old Testament. the people clamoured for a king....to be like the other people and they wanted SAUL because he was "head and shoulders above" the rest. he looked good, but he was a terrible king. he got MEAN. in the end, he fell on his own sword.)

well, maybe "King Saul" can be in the race too. we'll see. THE RACE IS ON~!

"... but the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is far more complex than some existential battle between Muslims and Kufars"

Well, it used to be a simple dispute over a "Single Grain of Sand", you know... But then it evolved...

Advisor To Hamas Government In Gaza: Israel Must Disappear:

"... The deterioration of the Palestinian cause occurred in a series of steps. Initially, there were slogans such as 'eliminating Israel' or 'bon appétit, oh fish in the sea!', and the PLO slogan, 'we will not relinquish one single grain of sand.'

However, no religious motivation implied, of course:

Hamas: No Compromises With Israel on Anything, Ever:

... The Hamas statement said that “... Jerusalem is wholly Muslim, and no compromise on the its status as a Muslim city is possible, either."

Nope. It’s all about human rights, apartheid, oppression, occupation, blockades, open-air prisons, etc. Very complex…

WELLINGTON, where did you get the very charitable assessment of obummer: "He is atrociously ignorant."

i've come to join the group that says, he knows EXACTLY what he is doing, and he is MEAN!

4 years or so ago someone who worked for obama,someone who had excellent PR skills and would never rock the boat, exploded quietly with: "he's my boss," as though one should NOT EVER be disloyal to one's boss, but with an equally adament sense of telling the truth, completed the sentence with, "but he is MEAN!"

"he's my boss, but he is MEEEAN!"

i was shocked. not of the astute assessment, but for the fact that this person would actually SAY it! if that person got to that point, obummer is MEAN~!

"there were also large numbers of European moslems from the Balkans (ie former Yugoslavia), Bosnia, etc- who poured into the region as well."

The blonde and white appearance of some of these kids may be explained by the Balkan provenance of so many Asia Minor and Levantine Muslims over the centuries derived from both rape and/or abduction of white Balkan Christian women and girls ("sex Slavs" -- though they also included Europeans abducted from all over the Mediterranean as well as northern Europeans who happened to be seafaring at the wrong place & time). One of the most infamous Muslims of the region in modern history, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem al-Husseini who collaborated with Hitler (and who died in the 1970s, his funeral attended solemnly by Arafat, his nephew), looked rather white, and with his red beard could have been a Scotsman. As he enthusiastically took charge of the Yugoslavian S.S. for Hitler, perhaps he did so not only because of his love of Jihad and hatred of Jews, but also for sentimental reasons related to his patria, so to speak.

This explanation can be supplemented by the other theory noted above, that perhaps some of these kids could be children of Leftist activists (some of whom may themselves be married to Muslims and/or flirting with reversion).

You're a clown! And I can smell a liberal-lefty miles downwind.

You write. without a shred of supporting evidence: 'Like it, or not, there is a distinct 'Palestinian' ethnic group--just like 'Egyptians,' Syrians,' etc

No, there isn't. Because there never has been a Palestine. here's a description of the land you erroniously believe to have been a thriving, busy land filled with 'Palestinians' who were to be kicked out by Zionists one day in the future.

"Then we entered the hill district, and our path lay through the clattering bed of an ancient stream, whose brawling waters have rolled away into the past, along with the fierce and turbulent race who once inhabited these savage hills. There may have been cultivation here two thousand years ago. The mountains, or huge stony mounds environing this rough path, have level ridges all the way up to their summits; on these parallel ledges there is still some verdure and soil: when water flowed here, and the country was thronged with that extraordinary population, which, according to the Sacred Histories, was crowded into the region, these mountain steps may have been gardens and vineyards, such as we see now thriving along the hills of the Rhine. Now the district is quite deserted, and you ride among what seem to be so many petrified waterfalls. We saw no animals moving among the stony brakes; scarcely even a dozen little birds in the whole course of the ride".

- William Thackeray in "From Jaffa To Jerusalem", 1844 -

This hasn't been going on too long, has it, Robert? ...

same tired old tired kabuki play:

muslims attack Israel, Israel defends ...

violence ensues ...

world condemns both sides for violence, imposing on Israel the same murderous anti-morality embraced by the muslims

Mackie sez:

"numerous staged scenes by the Palestinians to get the ever so culpable and naive media to do their propaganda"-

LOL! The enemedia 'naive?' They're not.

They're hardcore Jew-haters.

As for these kids, its too bad we can't hear what language they speak. Are they Lauran Booth's daughters?

No, Arabs they are not.

Well guess I was wrong,

The little brat with the peace T-shirt is the daughter of Nariman Tamimi

And here is what the world is lead to believe

http://972mag.com/photos-forces-crack-down-on-nabi-saleh-protest-in-major-arrest-raid/54432/

There is a video where the mother condones using children at demos just goggle Nariman Tamimi Interview

Everyone bar fools and politicians knows what will happen next.

As the Israeli soldiers have obviously been ordered not to respond to the provocation from these children, Hamas will choose their moment either for one of the kids to turn up with a weapon/bomb, or for a whole group of children to be used as cover for a more organised ambush on the soldiers.

And of course, Israel will shoulder the blame in either scenario.

Well, I'm as aware as anyone else that hearts are hardened, and that Saul ended up a rebuke to Israel. Also, God has the right to reply to my prayers with a divine "no". I am, after all, a Calvinist (and I don't mean the little blonde boy with the tiger).

However, while greatly disturbed by the direction the country is taking, I refuse to emulate the president's erstwhile "pastor", Jeremiah Wright, and cry, "God damn the United States". I would rather emulate the original Jeremiah of Anathoth and weep over the ruin of my country and people; and, seems how faith demands that I see the original Jeremiah as guided by no-one less than the Holy Spirit himself, I believe that such is the proper stance for an American Christian. Further, I have the example of Hosea, who saw Israel as an adulteress, yet hoped against hope for its redemption.

By the same token, I pray for others in the Red States, many of them brethren, who are talking of secession. God Almighty, don't let it come to that! Rather, change the "change-oriented" people. Amen!

Maybe the USA has reached the end of the line. But maybe God will still be merciful to us. These aren't for me to know now and from the place where I sit.

Israeli Jewish cartoonist 'Dry Bones' with his inimitable 'take' on Pallywood, the 'Palestinian' Arab Muslim propaganda factory.

http://drybonesblog.blogspot.com/2006/11/pallywood.html


http://drybonesblog.blogspot.com/2006/11/islam-today.html

You want relevent facts. You can find it in a historical novel and the answer to the whole "right of return" bullshit. Read The Haj by Leon Uris.

I recently sent these links to UNRWA's Facebook page. The next day they were gone and my ability to post was removed.

History of Israel & “Palestine” in VERY easy to understand maps
http://www.masada2000.org/historical.html

The "Mandate for Palestine" is the Best Reply to "Occupation"
http://www.mythsandfacts.org/article_view.asp?articleID=162&order_id=1

Palestinians ‘Peoplehood’ Based on a Big Lie Eli E. Hertz
http://www.mythsandfacts.org/article_view.asp?articleID=53&order_id=2
There is No Palestinian State by Efraim Karsh
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/09/16/there-is-no-palestinian-state.html

Why a Special Issue on UNRWA? By Steven J. Rosen
http://www.meforum.org/3344/unrwa-special

UNRWA Resists Resettlement by Alex Joffe (Personally I like the pdf version.)
http://www.meforum.org/3350/unrwa-resettlement

Teaching “The Right of Return” in UNRWA Schools
http://www.israelbehindthenews.com/library/pdfs/RightofReturninUNRWASchools.pdf

Hamas from cradle to Grave by Matthew Levitt
http://www.meforum.org/582/hamas-from-cradle-to-grave

Arafat's Swiss Bank Account by Issam Abu Issa
http://www.meforum.org/645/arafats-swiss-bank-account make sure to check out foot notes.
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/plocca-2002-empty-words

Investing in Yasser Arafat By Michael Kelly
http://www.levitt.com/newsletters/1999-01.html#THIRD

Palestinians enraged that Romney told truth about their lack of interest in peace, call him "ignorant" and "prejudiced". Great examples of how “safe” Israel would be next to a Palestinian state.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/09/palestinians-enraged-that-romney-told-truth-about-their-lack-of-interest-in-peace-call-him-ignorant-print.html

Islamists Project Islam's Worst Traits onto Christians
by Raymond Ibrahim
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/9669/islamists-project-islam-worst-traits-onto

Muslims Project Islam's Worst Traits onto Israel and the Jews
by Raymond Ibrahim
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/8348/muslims-project-islam-worst-traits-onto-israel

David Horowitz Chilling Exchange With Muslim Student
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=ownvVnxRaUY&NR=1

“The Muslim Brotherhood in America: The Enemy Within.”
http://muslimbrotherhoodinamerica.com/

The Violent Oppression of Women in Islam (pdf)
http://frontpagemag.com/upload/pamphlets/ViolentOpp.pdf
The Violent Oppression of Women in Islam
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/videos/108/the-violent-oppression-of-women-in-islam/

IslamWorld
http://www.islamworld.net/ (Even though this is a Muslim website it's a pretty great resource.)

The Rape and Murder of Pakistan’s Christian Children
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/the-rape-and-murder-of-pakistans-christian-children/

Behind the Scenes: Palestinian Demonstrations
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDohNq9BORo&feature=player_embedded

SHORT LIST (See Full list Facebook page)
The Haj by Leon Uris
Muslim Mafia by Gaubatz and Sperry
Because They Hate by Brigitte Gabriel
“Slavery, Terrorism and Islam” and “Holocaust in Rwanda” by Peter Hammond
The Professors: The 101 Most Dangerous Academics in America by David Horowitz
Ivory Towers On Sand: The Failure of Middle Eastern Studies in America by Martin Kramer
The Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism by Andrew G. Bostom
The Legacy of Jihad by Andrew G. Bostom MD
A Concise History of the Crusades by Thomas F. Madden
The Book of Jewish Knowledge by Nathan Ausubel
The New Moody Atlas of the Bible by Barry J. Beitzel
The Al Qaeda Reader by Raymond Ibrahim
Reliance of the Traveller: A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law
Sahih al-Bukhari
The Koran: Pickthall
The Quran: Yusuf Ali: Translated by Prof. Syed Vickar Ahmed
Holy Qur'an with Commentary: Maulana Muhammad Ali
The Second Message of Islam by Mahmoud Mohamed Taha
Infiltration: How Muslim Spies and Subversives have Penetrated Washington by Paul Sperry
American Jihad: The Terrorists Living Among Us by Steven Emerson
Invasion: How America Still Welcomes Terrorists, Criminals and Other Foreign Menaces to Our Shores by Michelle (the hottest woman on the planet) Malkin
Vince Flynn's “Term Limits” as a solution to our political problems.
Taken Into Custody by Stephen Baskerville and The War Against Boys by Christina Hoff Sommers

I saw it on CNN and asked the same question. These kids don't look like Arabs. They aren't clad like Arabs either. So what are they? Brainwashed they're in any case.

It is interesting that none of the actors save one had the appearance of a Mahoundian...The woman in the headscarf with the camera may have been the director...Those photographers in the background just happened to be in the area...
I wonder what language the little children are using?

It is **monstrously** wicked to use children in this way, like that little boy 'preacher' on Memri TV.

It simply underlines the moral vacuity, and downright evilness of these people.

Thank you, obviously brainwashed these girls

When I assert that Obama is ignorant, this does not mean that I eliminate the possiblity that he knows what he's doing. I'm not certain whether he is foolish or malevolent, but either way he's still ignorant of what is important, what should be valued and what should not.

I do think he has a certain tactical political intelligence in a very Chicago-kind of way, but his knowledge of, and appreciation for, such things as capitalism, defense priorities, America and Israel is woeful whether he functions from design or not. After all, tyrants like Hitler and Stalin knew exactly what they were doing, but they were still grossly ignorant of what should really matter in life.

https://me.yahoo.com/a/jn3RbDthtvWVAf4SjINGi9CXvxDuiL5_YGM-#76700 wrote:

I'm a Christian, and hardly a fan of Islamists, or the Muslim religion, but the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is far more complex than some existential battle between Muslims and Kufars.
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Is that so? Have you heard the homicidal taunt, "First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people"? It means first Muslims come for the Jews, and then the Christians.

And pious Muslims regularly taunt Jews with references to the Gharkad tree, where in the "last days" Muslims slaughter Jews down to the last man, woman, and child.

Israel has been the canary in the coalmine of "modern" Jihad. The same techniques long used against Israel—suicide bombings in particular—are now regularly used by Jihadists against Infidels—Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, and atheists—all over the world.

More:

Some of the coverage, here, is grossly slanted, and omits relevant facts. Writing the ethnonym Palestinian in quotes is a pretty naked example of bias, here. Like it, or not, there is a distinct 'Palestinian' ethnic group--just like 'Egyptians,' Syrians,' etc.--and this ethnicity includes a substantial Christian majority.
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What absolute crap. As recently as 1967—well within living memory—Gazan "Palestinians" (there are those quotes, again) were considered Egyptian, and 'West Bank' "Palestinians" were considered Jordanians.

Peoples do change over time, but are we to believe that two distinctly separate subsets of Levantine Arabs in the blink of an eye became a third ethnicity? Ludicrous.

In addition, the original "Nakba"—"Catastrophe"—was Syrian Arabs no longer finding themselves in Syria.

And the fact is that no only do most "Palestinians" just consider themselves local Arabs, but that many of them yearn for a Caliphate, rather than a "Palestinian" state.

Moreover, Jihadists even admit that the "Palestinians" as a people were invented in 1967 for political reasons.

More:

The Israeli government never treated the Christian population of the region particularly well...
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What utter rot. Christians in Israel have full religious freedom, whereas in the "Palestinian territories" and Gaza they are routinely oppressed, forcibly converted, driven out, and murdered outright.

The Christian population even in traditionally Christian towns such as Bethlehem has nosedived, and the Christian population of Gaza is so threatened that it may simply cease to exist entirely in the next few years.

Christians who can get out are leaving in droves—even though they have lived there for two millenia, and this is the very birthplace of Christianity.

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Pamella Geller is, unfortunately, injecting her own ethno-religious biases into this issue. Notwithstanding Ms Geller's advertising campaign, The Christian majority in the West does not have any compelling interest in supporting Israel, which is a Jewish, not Christian entity.
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Absolute crap. For one thing, while Ms. Geller is quite proudly ethnically Jewish, she is not a religious person at all, but rather an atheist Objectivist.

And the idea that the West has no interest in supporting civilized Israel due to her Jewish identity is an utter lie.

Not only is Israel a solid ally of the West and the only democracy in the region, but *nothing* would so embolden Jihadists against the West as the destruction of Israel—*especially* if the West stood by for the bloodbath without aiding her.

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The ultra-Orthodox movement is really the mirror image of the Hamas fruitcakes, and--like Islamism--needs to be eliminated as a political force in the region.
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More grotesque moral equivalence. I certainly don't agree with the ultra-Orthodox movement on many points, but lumping them with genocidal Hamas is moral idiocy—or else a deliberate calumny.

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Please don't turn a legitimate criticism of dangerous political movements (Sunni and Shi'a Islamism) into propaganda for the policies of the Israeli government...
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Notice that "https://me.yahoo.com/a/jn3RbDthtvWVAf4SjINGi9CXvxDuiL5_YGM-#76700" doesn't acknowledge the existence of Jihad at all, instead absurdly characterizing it as "Sunni and Shi'a Islamism".

The fact is that the differences between Sunnis and Shi'ites are nominal, and that most of it comes down to jockeying for power. Both Sunnis and Shi'ites are ultimately just Muslims, and they both want to establish a Caliphate and oppress Infidels.

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Notice that and behaviour of the IDF, which are hardly benevolent, or above criticism.
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More crap. While no fighting force should ever be held above criticism, the IDF has consistently been very restrained, and always at pains to avoid harming civilians.

Compare this to the "Palestinians" themselves, who routinely target civilians and children. Just look a the history of "Palestinian" atrocities, which include bombing city buses and family restaurants; and savagely bloody attacks on families like the Fogels, where, among other horrors, Muslims cut the throat of *a three-month-old baby*.

I'm not Jewish, but I stand with Israel. And so should every other civilized person.

@graveimage,

Prior to 1948, there were no such people as 'Israelis,' prior to 1776, there were no such people as 'Americans,' etc. Before the Pogroms and Holocaust, 'Jews' were Russians, Germans, etc. How are, say, Walloons different than Frenchmen, or Austrians different than Germans? If you've watched Arrested Development, you remember Gob referring to Colombians as "Mexicans from Colombia." National identity can be argued over, ad nauseum, but the reality is that people who live in this particular geographic area identify themselves as 'Palestinians,' and most people in the international community AND secular Israelis refer to them as such. When you people dispute this, nobody takes you seriously.

Notwithstanding religious and nationalistic rhetoric, there are demographic realities. The bulk of the Palestinian Territory/Gaza is Palestinian. The bulk of Israel is ethnically (not necessarily religiously) Jewish. Neither 'right of return,' nor settlement construction are compatible with this reality. And the only reason the settlements keep being built is Israel's proportional representation system, which turns fringe parties like Shas into kingmakers. Most Israelis do NOT support the construction of settlements in Palestinian territory, nor do they support Haredim avoiding conscription. But Israel's idiotic PR system holds the Knesset hostage to Shas, which are as wacky as their Hamas counterparts. You can see the fatique in these IDF soldiers, who are basically doing the dirty work for religious nutbars (Haredi), while Palestinian children are doing the same for foreign-supported Islamist flakes. Secular Israelis appear to have finally run out of patience with the ultra orthodox, which is a good thing, especially if the Palestinians do the same with the Islamists. And you will note that Kahane Chai is listed along with Hamas, etc. as a Banned Entity in Canada:

http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/prg/ns/le/cle-eng.aspx

While Muslim mass immigration into the West is a problem, and we are dealing with the effects of Islamic terrorism and spreading Salafism, the West really has no dog in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, any more than they have a stake in the Northern Ireland mess. The West is a majority Christian entity, and, notwithstanding the rhetoric of Geller and others, there is no such thing as a 'Judeo-Christian' identity--it's Christian, period. The Israeli government has not been particularly agreeable to CHRISTIAN Palestinians, either, which is why Fatah/PLO and the Ba'athist movement elsewhere had so many Christian members. With Christian Palestinians now getting the shaft from Islamists in Palestine, I see no reason to support the Palestinian Authority, either.

Western Christians, like myself, are fed up with funding this: aid to various kleptocratic Palestinian Authority administrations and a population that volleys rockets at civilians, or aid to Israel--a country which refuses to stop building settlements (along with the 'right of return,' the big stumbling block to peace), sells U.S.-donated weapons to China, falsifies Canadian passports, spies on the U.S., etc. Outside of the Avengelical community, there is not any particular support for Israel, any more than the Palestinian cause. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict, over a tiny scrap of dusty land with no natural resources, has zero relevance to the West. It's time to stop writing cheques, and let these people sort their own messes out.

A big problem with this site is that any insurgency by ethnic Muslims is painted as some sort of Islamist plot. For example, rebellion by Uighurs against Han Chinese rule:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/china-two-jihadists-who-tried-to-hijack-plane-dead.html

What is being ignored here is the brutal colonialism of Chinese rule--as vicious as what is happening in Tibet--and the fact that the Uighur separatist movement is a Kemalist, secular Turanian nationalist movement. And I've seen condemnations about the NATO war in Kosovo that embarrassingly mirror the rhetoric of Serbian apologists like Michael Parenti. There are plenty of problems with Islamist violence around the globe, and this is a real threat. However, this is not the case in Kosovo, or Xinjiang. If Jihadwatch wants people to take it's (valid) warnings seriously, they should not cry wolf--painting every insurgency in a majority Muslim area as the dawn of a New Caliphate. Stick to reporting about issues that really effect people here, and not a dirty inter-ethnic conflict in some little sand heap.

"I saw it on CNN and asked the same question. These kids don't look like Arabs. They aren't clad like Arabs either. So what are they?"

They are Arabs. 'Arab' is an ethnolinguistic identity, and NOT a 'race.' Northern European Crusaders, Turks, and Albanians left a lot of DNA in the region, and this is why blonde hair and blue, green, and grey eyes pop up. Arguing about this is as silly as wondering if, say Paul Newman and Yaphet Koto really were/are 'Jewish,' since people assume that Jews are 'supposed to' look like Jerry Seinfeld. In the IDF, you'll find everyone from blue-eyed blonds, to Ethiopians.

And even with Muslims in the region, there aren't the strict sartorial codes for little girls that you find in, say, East Africa. Do be aware, as well, that there are secular Muslims, as well as a substantial Christian minority. And, notwithstanding some of the comments made here, the Christian Palestinian population were, by and large, NOT supportive of Israel. The PLO and Fatah had a large Christian membership, as did the Ba'athist movement. And, denials aside, the Israeli government was not kind to the Christian population:

http://catholicism.org/60-minutes-report-on-the-tormenting-of-palestinian-christians-a-threat-to-israel.html

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2008/0425/p07s03-wome.html

Of course, since Christians in Eastern Europe and the Axis states committed wholesale slaughter and ethnic cleansing of Jewish populations, it could be argued that the State of Israel is merely returning the favour. And now the Palestinian Christian population has to contend with Islamist ethnic cleansing, which has been covered on this site:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/gaza-christians-pressured-to-convert-to-islam.html

This is why so many Palestinian Christians have decided to throw in the towel, and move to North America.

One of the very positive things about Israel is the fact that the country has a relatively free press, which leads to the publication of stories like this:

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/idf-order-will-enable-mass-deportation-from-west-bank-1.780

Unfortunately, the long arm of Israeli censorship reaches into the U.S.:

http://news.antiwar.com/2012/04/23/israeli-officials-60-minutes-report-on-treatment-of-christians-a-strategic-threat/

Again, Israel's largely conscript IDF is full of people who don't appreciate being forced to defend the settlements of religious nutcases who refuse to serve in the military. Most of the IDF soldiers, like the fellows in this video, do NOT want to fight. And the stateless status quo of Palestine occupied by a costly and unpopular army, guarding tiny religious settlements, isn't sustainable. Most Israelis know this, but the country's PR voting system prevents whatever government that's in power from doing anything about it.

We in the West are writing the cheques, and--if this is to continue--there should be strings attached. Israel has to dump its PR system, and ban religious parties. The PA needs to become a state, and also ban religious political parties. Notwithstanding flaky Biblical arguments, East Jerusalem can't remain in a majority Jewish state. The Palestinians appear to be giving up on their untenable 'right of return' demand, and Israel needs to dismantle the settlements. There needs to be a secular Palestine, with contiguous borders, and no foreign (Syrian, Iranian, Saudi) elements, or Israeli troops. And Israel needs to submit to an audit of its military, scrap its nuclear arsenal, and stop spying on its 'allies.'

If the Israelis and Palestinians can't abide by these terms, we should cut off all financial aid--about U.S.$3B to Israel, and hundreds of millions to the Palestinian Authority, from the U.S. alone, every year. This conflict really has no impact on us, and it's time to stop pretending otherwise.

"The thing that has me baffled is why the so called independent voters all broke his way on the 6th!

Romney,should have won by a landslide with as bad as things are in the country!"

One's bafflement dissipates once on realizes that Obama's appeal is not only to Leftists (who are a minority in the USA as perhaps in the West, with some few exceptions like Sweden) -- but also to a gigantic demographic voting bloc: PC MCs, most of whom are not Leftists (indeed many are conservatives and Christians, among other things).

Typo city, Arizona.

"...once one realizes..."

There needs to be a secular Palestine, with contiguous borders, and no foreign (Syrian, Iranian, Saudi) elements, or Israeli troops. And Israel needs to submit to an audit of its military, scrap its nuclear arsenal, and stop spying on its 'allies.'

A secular Palestine with no foreign elements... Hey, you're on the right track here! There also needs to be a secular Egypt and Turkey and there absolutely needs to be a secular Iran! While at it, why not also demand a secular Hamas, a secular al-Qaeda, and a secular Hezbollah (Muslim Brotherhood already known to be "largely secular"…). And don’t stop there… Imagine an entirely secular Sunnah and Shiah as well... Will solve many problems, no doubt!

Here's an even better and faster approach... Negotiations the way to go:

[...] Obama could act as a peacemaker through negotiations: “He needs to get Israel and he needs to get Iran down at the table and say, ‘Iran, what do you need, how can we compromise, don’t close off the freaking strait of Hormuz’…he’s going to be that angel of peace between them.”

See? It’s not that complicated after all…

https://me.yahoo.com/a/jn3RbDthtvWVAf4SjINGi9CXvxDuiL5_YGM-#76700 wrote:

Secular Israelis appear to have finally run out of patience with the ultra orthodox, which is a good thing, especially if the Palestinians do the same with the Islamists.
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More witless moral equivalence.

And the idea that the "Palestinians" are poised to oust the "Islamists" any moment is just ludicrous. In fact, with the rise of Hamas in Gaza, the Jihad is both worse and even more explicit that it was under Fatah.

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With Christian Palestinians now getting the shaft from Islamists in Palestine, I see no reason to support the Palestinian Authority, either.
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Your implication that Muslim oppression of Christians in the Levant is a new thing is simply absurd. There was no "golden age" of dhimmitude, despite what you so slyly imply.

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Western Christians, like myself, are fed up with funding this: aid to various kleptocratic Palestinian Authority administrations and a population that volleys rockets at civilians, or aid to Israel--a country which refuses to stop building settlements (along with the 'right of return,' the big stumbling block to peace)...
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Again, absurd. The idea that there would be peace in the Middle East if only Israel would stop building settlements and allow the "right of return" is ridiculous. Haven't you noticed that both Fatah and Hamas regularly emphasize their intent to destroy Israel outright?

Maps in "Palestinian" schools feature depictions of the Levant where the state of Israel is conspicuously missing.

And they aren't the only Muslims to do so—Iran, for instance, regularly repeats their intent to "wipe Isreal from the map".

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Outside of the Avengelical (sic) community, there is not any particular support for Israel, any more than the Palestinian cause.
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What absolute crap. There is broad-based support for Israel among ordinary Americans.

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The Israeli-Palestinian conflict, over a tiny scrap of dusty land with no natural resources, has zero relevance to the West.
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Hmmm...this sounds like "shitty little country" redux. The fact is that Israel is a vibrant, modern nation, as well as the region's *only* democracy. And Israel has, for instance, garnered Nobel Prizes out of all proportion to its tiny size.

*You* and your ilk might be fine seeing her citizens slaughtered and Israel turned into another sh*thole like Gaza, but that isn't true of the rest of us.

And, as I noted, even is you hate Jews and care not a whit if Israel is destroyed and many of her people murdered, I can think of *nothing* that would so embolden Jihad against the West than to have Israel fall.

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Of course, since Christians in Eastern Europe and the Axis states committed wholesale slaughter and ethnic cleansing of Jewish populations, it could be argued that the State of Israel is merely returning the favour.
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Your implication that Israel is slaughtering Christians—is, indeed, committing genocide—is a grotesque calumny. You can't back it up, because it is utterly false.

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This is why so many Palestinian Christians have decided to throw in the towel, and move to North America.
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Christians in the "Palestinian territories" are fleeing from Muslim, *not* Israeli, violence.

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There needs to be a secular Palestine...
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Yeah—I'm sure you'll get right on that...

Maybe you can start with this guy:

"Nazareth imam convicted of misunderstanding Islam, inciting terror"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/04/nazareth-imam-convicted-of-misunderstanding-islam-inciting-terror.html

Or maybe, y'know, this guy:

"'You shall not regain Palestine through negotiations, capitulations, kisses, or hugs. The one thing that will restore Palestine to you is Jihad, Jihad, and more Jihad.'"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/10/you-shall-not-regain-palestine-through-negotiations-capitulations-kisses-or-hugs-the-one-thing-that.html

There are many, many others. Let us know how it goes...

Nicely dissected, Gravenimage.

Just to back you up, a few more classics for anyone reading here who may be new to the site and the subject, and momentarily confused by the latest mohammedtroll's - or dhimmi's - sand-throwing.


http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4204927,00.html

Palestinians as 'super victims'

Op-ed: Turning Palestinians (sic: I would have written 'Muslims' - dda) into victims a case of emotional appeals triumphing over facts
Manfred Gerstenfeld

http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/42534
Thursday, 14 June 2012
Alex Joffe On "Palestinian" Muslims And The Fabrication Of History

From The Middle East Quarterly:

http://www.meforum.org/3262/palestinian-history-nonsense

The Rhetoric of Nonsense: 
Fabricating Palestinian History
by Alexander H. Joffe
Summer 2012, pp. 15-22


http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/a-palestinese-lexicon/
A Palestinese Lexicon
AUGUST 13, 2012, 3:21 PM
PHILIPPE ASSOULINE

And pursuant to my posting above.

Our latest sand-thrower, to whom gravenimage has made such a stunning riposte, stated above that Israel needs to 'scrap its nuclear arsenal'.

To which the following is a sufficient response:

http://drybonesblog.blogspot.com/2010/05/by-popular-request.html

(I really ought to buy the T-shirt, and the poster).

But there is also this, from Hugh Fitzgerald, on the meaning of the sort of thing that our string-of-letters sand-thrower stated 'needs' to happen.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/05/us-backs-resolution-to-disarm-israel.html

Hugh | May 31, 2010 12:22 PM | Reply

"Look, the whole thing is very simple.

"There are 350 million Arabs, who control 22 states and a land area more than a thousand times the area of Israel.

"There is Islam-maddened mahdi-maddened Iran, with a land area by itself twenty or thirty times the size of Israel.

"There are the vast oil resources that is a gift that keeps on giving, to Arabs and Iranians alike -- some thirteen trillion dollars since 1973 alone -- money that pays for diplomatic assaults, propaganda aided and abetted by Western hirelings, some of them true Believers and antisemites, others merely in it for the money.

"More than a trillion of that money has gone to buy Western arms, and to pay for projects related to nuclear weapons, and other weapons of mass destruction.

"**If you want Israel to survive, then you have to understand that there will never ever be a day when Israel can afford to give up its nuclear arsenal. Never.** {my emphasis - dda}.

"If you are murderously hostile to Israel, or merely coldly and cruelly indifferent to its fate,

" then you will pretend not to understand this,

"and will aid and abet those Arabs and other Muslims who recognize that in order to destroy Israel they must first get rid of its nuclear arsenal.

"That will not bring peace but certain war, and the war will be one of Israel's destruction, and the mass killing -- have no doubt about it -- of the Jews of Israel.

"That's it. There is nothing else you need to know.

"Those who call for a nuclear-free Middle East are calling for the destruction of the Jews of Israel.
End of story."


Above, our string-of-letters sand-thrower insisted on the necessity of a 'state of palestine' that would, of course, have 'East Jerusalem', (that is, the part of the historic city of Jerusalem that contains, inter alia, the Temple Mount and the *ancient* Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives, plus the sites of some 40-plus synagogues and what was the Jewish Quarter of the Old City, which was ethnically/ religiously cleansed of its Jews by the 'Jordanian' Arab Muslims under Islamophile Brit 'Glubb Pasha' in 1948) as the trophy capital of what would certainly be - not, as he disingenuously claims, a 'secular' 'palestine' - but an Arab Islamic - and rapidly sharia-ized - state of 'Palestine', holding the military high ground from which it could command, by rocket fire, and by other means, the rest of Jerusalem and, with command of the heights of Judea and Samaria, all the rest of Jewish Israel.

And this, he pretended to think, would bring 'peace'.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who knows all about Islam, and Muslims - and the vast majority of the soi-disant 'Palestinians' are Muslims, this is the most important thing one needs to know about them - does not agree with him.

Not at all.

http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/42697
Thursday, 28 June 2012
Ayaan Hirsi Ali Imparts Home Truths About Islam To Those Who , It Seems,Stilll Need It

One Woman’s Voice and Story – and a Message for Israel

"...As a young Muslim child in Somalia, she learned three things that characterize that culture – the culture of Islam.

"She came to the microphone after Dennis Ross, former US ambassador to Israel.

"She spoke after two American Jews had been to the platform to offer their opinions and knowledge of the Israeli-Arab situation.

"The night before, Henry Kissinger, Shimon Peres and Tony Blair all spoke about peace as if tomorrow it will come…if only we want it badly enough.

"Quietly, Ayaan spoke and without ever mentioning their names, she made these men sound like naive fools.

"She never said it, but it was there.

"You cannot make peace with a society that does not want it; you cannot compromise with a people who refuse to accept that you even exist...

"Dennis Ross suggested one of the steps that the Palestinians must take is to simply put Israel on their maps – even this, they will never do because this is about compromise and, according to Ayaan, an impossibility.

"These are her words, her experiences.

"There are three things that characterize Ayaan’s Muslim upbringing and the world that she knew.

It is amazing that days later, I do not even have to consult my notes to remember. Such was the power of her words and the honesty of her opinion. These are:

"1/ Absolute authority – of her father, of her Imam, of her teacher, of her government. Absolute. No opportunity to question, no right to question. You do what they say, always.

She did not. She refused the marriage they would have forced upon her and in so doing, she lost her culture, her community, her family – and she sees where she is now and accepts she is in a better place, despite what she had to sacrifice.

"2/ No compromise – never. To compromise is to lose face; to be a loser. To be the weak one.

"The Palestinians will never compromise was her message.

"**At one point, as someone on the panel was suggesting ways towards peace, Ayaan said something. I’m sure I heard it and perhaps can find it on a video somewhere to confirm. I believe she said, “Even if you give them Jerusalem,” and then she repeated it, “even if you give them Jerusalem, there will be no peace.”** {my emphasis - dda}. No compromise.

"3/ All that is right is in the Koran – and by extension, whatever is not in the Koran, is wrong. This means not only absolute power to the figure of authority, but absolute control of every aspect of your life...".

"I have little doubt that most of the male presenters lack the experience, the bravery and the boldness of this one woman.

"They spoke of maps that lead nowhere, compromises that will bring nothing. They suggested, cajoled. insisted, opinionated. They want to push Israel because perhaps deep down they understand that they cannot push the Arabs – no compromise
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"It was the truth of Ayaan that I wish they had heard – even if you cut out all that we are, even if you give it all, even we listen to your foolishness, even if we give up Jerusalem, they will not let us live here in peace."

Your post parrots the tired old liberal left schtik that the whole so-called Palestine dispute is cultural, not religious. It's all about ethnicity, and being used by religious groups on both sides to further their private agendas.

Well, tell us, why is it that the so-called ethnic dispute mirrors precisely the contours of the religious war declared by Islam against the Jews in Al Qur'an?

Is this merely chance, or have you and your lefty fellow travellers made a mistake?

And here's what a 'Palestinian' thinks.

“Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?”
“We did not particularly mind Jordanian rule. The teaching of the destruction of Israel was a definite part of the curriculum, but we considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of the sudden we were Palestinians - they removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all at once we had a Palestinian flag”.
“When I finally realized the lies and myths I was taught, it is my duty as a righteous person to speak out”. (Walid Shoebat)


You're a clown!

Danny is that you, got tired of our truthful comments, compared to your ignorance; think posting under another identity, ooohhh no you don't have a twin do you aaahhhhhhhhh

And again, with reference to the assorted misdirections flung out by our string-of-letters sand-thrower, who is either a Muslim in a mask or else a non-Muslim who so hates the Jews that he is willing and perhaps even eager to throw them to the Jihad crocodile to be devoured.

Hugh Fitzgerald, former regular poster at this site, with two essays on the so-called 'two- state solution', and what happens once one remembers the model of the Treaty of Hudaybiyya. (And it is worth bearing in mind that the advice and counsel that Hugh gives to Israel, in regard to the 'peace process', and so on, is just as applicable to any other majority non-Muslim state that is involved in a turf war with an large and aggressive and disruptive - and, usually, whining and complaining - Muslim 'minority' that is in fact merely a local manifestation of the Ummah, or Mohammedan mob).

http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/34628
Wednesday, 11 May 2011
Fitzgerald: Islam, The Treaty of Hudaibiyya, And The Two-Stage Solution

http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/44065
Tuesday, 25 September 2012
Fitzgerald: Waiting For Hudaibiyya


Combine what you will learn from those two essays, with what you will learn from *these*

1/ - a review of a book on the Islamic concept of 'hegira'

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/the_hijra.html


August 16, 2009
The Hijra
By Janet Levy

Modern Day Trojan Horse: The Islamic Doctrine of Immigration
By Sam Solomon and Elias Al Maqdisi

and 2/ this article on the Muslim narrative of victimhood

http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2011/11/dangers-of-legitimizing-islamic.html
Sunday, November 13, 2011
The Dangers of Legitimizing Muslim Grievances

along with this classic article on what Muslims really mean when they talk about being 'oppressed'

http://www.islam-watch.org/AbulKasem/IslamOppressed.htm

When is Islam Oppressed?
by Abul Kasem


and you will begin to see that even if the Russians or the Chinese were to treat their 'restive' (they are *always* restive) Muslim minorities with the same scrupulous restraint as Israel has in fact always employed, and if the Serbs had also treated the Albanian Muslims (whose hegira into the Serb heartland of Kosovo was in fact very recent, historically speaking, as recent as the massive influx of Muslims into Mandatory 'Palestine' in the late 19th century, or the massive influx of Muslims from Bangladesh into places like Assam and West Bengal, that is happening now) with similar restraint, the Muslims would *still* cry or have cried 'oppression' and 'persecution' and Jihad would still have happened or be happening.

Territory, anywhere, that is surrendered to Muslims, soon becomes either Infidel-rein, or the remaining Infidels are crushed and reduced to a terrorised and ruthlessly exploited remnant; and then the Ummah pockets its gains, and makes new demands, and the new chunk of seized and Islamised 'turf' becomes the launching-pad from which the 'softening up' raids proceed into the neighbouring as-yet-un-Islamoformed territory.

Jihad will continue from Islamic Kosovo and Bosnia, against the non-Muslim neighbours. Muslims want *all* of the Balkans back under the scimitar; everything that the Ottoman Turkish Muslims once invaded, conquered, ruled...and ruined.

If China were to give Sinkiang to the Muslim Uighur, and withdraw all Han from it, I guarantee the Muslims would not be satisfied; sooner or later Jihad would begin, testing, testing, probing, pushing, from across the newly-drawn border. Muslims want all of China, not just Sinkiang (which was, let us not forget, originally Buddhist, not Muslim).

If India were to hand over all of Jammu and Kashmir to India, and gave Assam and West Bengal to Bangladesh, the Jihad waged against India both from without (from Pakistan and Bangladesh) and from within (emanating from the Muslim 'community' on Indian soil, busily aggressing against their Hindu neighbours, slowly taking over suburb after suburb, district after distrinct) **would not stop**. Muslims want all of India; not just Kashmir.

If Russia allows the most heavily Islamic southern provinces - Chechnya, Tatarstan, etc - to secede and become independent Islamic nations, it will *not* bring an end to jihad terror attacks within the rest of the Federation, nor to jihad terror raids across the newly-established borders. Muslims want *all* of Russia - from St Petersburg to Kamchatka. Because pious Muslims, no matter where they are, want **the world**. Which they believe belongs to them, with everything in it; it is we kuffar who have no right at all, qua kuffar, to our persons, our property, or our lives.

There *is* a Global Jihad going on; it has been going on, on three continents (Asia, Africa and Europe) for 1400 years, unendingly.

In the 18th century, once the Barbary Pirates began attacking the ships of the newly-born USA, it first touched the Americas; and in 1915, when Muslims in Broken Hill in outback Australia sprang a murderous attack on a train full of civilian picnickers, it first touched Australia (though some northern Australian tribes had had bewildering and, I suspect, occasionally bruising encounters with Muslim Makassarese and Buginese who entered their tribal territory in search of trepang and other sea products), and today the Americas and Australia are a field of Jihad as well, especially after the establishment of large - and expanding - colonies of Muslim 'immigrants' there.

*Wherever* there is a large enough Muslim presence - and it does not need to be very large - there *will* be, sooner or later and usually sooner - Jihad, for Islam is the 'religion of domination' [Hassan al Banna: 'Islam is to dominate, and not be dominated'] and simply cannot permanently abide any other position than that of Top Dog. Muslims in *any* non-Muslim land essentially function as a Fifth Column of the Ummah - of the de facto Empire of Islam.


Typo.

I don't know how I came to write "If India were to hand over all of Jammu and Kashmir to India, and gave Assam and West Bengal to Bangladesh..."

when what I *meant* was, of course:

"If India were to hand over all of Jammu and Kashmir to Pakistan, and gave Assam and West Bengal to Bangladesh...".

"I do think he has a certain tactical political intelligence in a very Chicago-kind of way, but his knowledge of, and appreciation for, such things as capitalism, defense priorities, America and Israel is woeful ..."

The very definition of a Marxist-Leninist -- which is exactly what Obama is (even if he is also a Muslim since Islam can co-exist as a parasite with any host ideology as long as that ideology furthers jihad), though he cloaks it in the cream & sugar of PC MC -- is that of a person nursing a woeful ignorance of basic economics (not to mention an ignorance of the facts of life).

The great 20th century philosopher Eric Voegelin (1901-1985, who had to flee Germany in the late 30s because he defended a Jewish colleague at his university) remarked (to paraphrase):

"Oh yes, I became a Communist in the 1020s -- for about 15 minutes. Then I learned basic economics."

Like all intellectual anti-Western revolutionaries, Obama is intelligent with regard to "changing the world" (the Marxian "point" of all philosophy); but he is woefully ignorant of why his revolution is pernicious and bankrupt.

My only skepticism about Obama is similar to the one I hold with Muslims in general: does he revel in evil, or is he fanatically pursuing "good intentions" without knowing they are framed in evil and have evil consequences?

There is no third description in this regard, at any rate.

"Prior to 1948, there were no such people as 'Israelis,' prior to 1776, there were no such people as 'Americans,' etc. "

How about I gather some white redneck militia members, take over a southwest State, kick out all the Mexicans, blacks and Muslims, and call it "The Republic of LemonLime" and all its citizens "Citrusians". How do you like them apples?

According to your logic, you would have no objection to my plan -- hell, you'd even post elaborately articulated twaddle defending it!

Excellent posts, Dumbledore's Army, on both the position of Israel and the rest of the global Jihad.

I would just add Benjamin Netanyahu's pithy quote re the defense of Israel:

"The truth is that if Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs [read: Muslims—GI] were to put down their arms there would be no more war."

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