Mosquegoers on California jihad murder plotters: "FBI entrapment is what I believe"; "He's not Muslim"

No one seems to have said, "Hey, we have to do something to keep Muslims from getting the idea that they're serving Allah by murdering Infidels." Notice how instead, these regular mosquegoers are simply "not Muslim" if they plot violence in the name of Islam. That is akin to the non-Muslim analysts whose definition of how someone becomes an "Islamist," as opposed to an ordinary Muslim, by strapping on a bomb vest. And re entrapment, see here. "SoCal terror suspects met at Pomona mosque," by Rob McMillan for KABC, November 21:

POMONA, Calif. (KABC) -- The four local men who were arrested on terror charges all worshipped at a mosque in Pomona, where they apparently met. Reaction from mosque members was mixed.
Sohiel Omar Kabir, 34, formerly of Pomona, Ralph Deleon, 23, of Ontario, Miguel Alejandro Santana Vidriales, 21, of Upland and Arifeen David Gojali, 21, of Riverside, are named in an FBI criminal complaint with pages and pages of evidence about their alleged plan to travel to Afghanistan and start violent jihad.

"If somebody does that, he's crazy, he's not normal," said Gamal Atia.

Atia says if the charges are true, they're reprehensible because Islam is about peace.

"If somebody tried to do that, he's really bad, and he's not Muslim," he said.

But there are others at the mosque, like Aaron Gaulding, who do not believe the charges and think the men were set up.

"They were wonderful young men," Gaulding said. "FBI entrapment is what I believe. The FBI has violated our civil rights and freedom of religion because he had come in here and prayed with us."

Gaulding was referring to the man working undercover for the FBI - a man who was paid more than $250,000 by the FBI to provide information about the suspects' activities. Gaulding thinks it was that confidential source who set up the four men as terrorists.

"If they're guilty of anything, it's just simply being of youth, naïve," he said, adding that he didn't think the men were capable of such an attack.

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wendell.clanton | November 22, 2012 2:27 AM | Reply

"If they're guilty of anything, it's just simply being of youth, naïve".

Who is being naïve?

Tom Billesley | November 22, 2012 2:33 AM | Reply

"Entrapment" is when a muslim gets caught by a kaffir.

traeh | November 22, 2012 3:36 AM | Reply

In core Islamic texts, Muhammad says your "lives and property" are not safe from him unless you become a Muslim

In Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, the two most canonical hadith collections:

Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, Number 25:

Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform all that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."

Sahih Muslim, Book 031, Number 5917:

...Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: Allah's Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people? Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger, and when they do that then their blood and their riches are inviolable from your hands but what is justified by law and their reckoning is with Allah.

-- Quoting Islam

Dsinc | November 22, 2012 4:28 AM | Reply

...a man who was paid more than $250,000 by the FBI to provide information about the suspects' activities.

If I get my Arabic up to scratch and grow a beard where do I apply for the job?

I understand that it's danger pay and I could actually end up losing my head.

duh_swami | November 22, 2012 5:28 AM | Reply

Isn't it a form of shirk for one Mahoundian to accuse another Mahoundian of not being a Mahoundian? Who's job is it to judge who's a Mahoundian and who's not? Isn't that Allah's job? Or at least a sharia courts? Did Allah create a doctrine of takfir, or did Mahoundians make that one up as a speedy way to demonize other Mahoundians they don't like? In this case, 'Not a Muslim' is being used to deflect any connection or criticism of Islam...
They were not Mahoundians but fakers, about to commit 'workplace violence'...it has nothing to do with Islam...

That's an old excuse that doesn't work to well anymore...

Meryl Petkoff | November 22, 2012 9:51 AM | Reply

""Entrapment" is when a muslim gets caught by a "kaffir"---

And specifically, in these cases, "entrapment" is when a pedohammedan gets caught RED-HANDED by the kuffar.

Buraq replied to comment from Dsinc | November 22, 2012 10:40 AM | Reply

You wrote: '..a man who was paid more than $250,000 by the FBI to provide information about the suspects' activities.'

Can you provide credible sources for this wild accusation?

Clown!

Meryl Petkoff replied to comment from Buraq | November 22, 2012 11:59 AM | Reply

Uh?

"Gaulding was referring to the man working undercover for the FBI - a man who was paid more than $250,000 by the FBI to provide information about the suspects' activities. Gaulding thinks it was that confidential source who set up the four men as terrorists.".

dumbledoresarmy | November 22, 2012 1:07 PM | Reply

From the article - "there are others at the mosque, like Aaron Gaulding..".

**Aaron Gaulding**?

I don't think that *he* was born in dar al Islam, or on American soil to immigrants from dar al Islam.

Looks like *another* idiotic - or else malevolent, drawn to Islam like a fly to a rotting carcass - convert to Islam.

I wonder what his special new shahada name is? The reporter obviously didn't think to ask him.

I wonder what his family - parents, sibs, if he has them - and / or other non-Muslim associates think about the fact that their family member/ present or past friend/ schoolmate/ workmate attends a mosque that has just appeared in the news because of a bunch of jihadis - a couple of them *also* being converts, just like Aaron - getting busted.

If anyone who knows Aaron Gaulding - say, his mum - may just happen to have stumbled in here thanks to google, and may be reading this over my shoulder, my advice to that person would be: **Keep an eye on him, because *he* might be the next one**. If he does anything at all unusual, if you get a bad vibe off of him...drop a quiet word to the FBI ASAP.

Because in joining Islam, he's just joined the world's biggest, nasties, most murderous and longest-running organised crime 'family, which functions like a blend of the Mafia and the Thuggees.

When he told you about his 'conversion', did he tell you that the only way you leave Islam is in a box? That is: if he were to get cold feet, and want to leave the cult, and become a Christian, or an atheist, or a Buddhist, then...the rules of the cult, Sharia 'law', says that he must be killed. Ask him about it, next time you see him.

Charlie Griffith | November 23, 2012 8:53 AM | Reply

Can't we somehow, with a great effort, straining hard and grunting, get away from that artificial, semantic, word-game, nuanced, faux distinction between "Muslim" and "Islamist"?

gravenimage | November 25, 2012 1:17 PM | Reply

Mosquegoers on California jihad murder plotters: "FBI entrapment is what I believe"; "He's not Muslim"

No one seems to have said, "Hey, we have to do something to keep Muslims from getting the idea that they're serving Allah by murdering Infidels."
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Yeah—isn't that odd? sarc/off

Notice how instead, these regular mosquegoers are simply "not Muslim" if they plot violence in the name of Islam.
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There are an awful lot of Muslims who are "not Muslims", it seems...sarc/off

Sohiel Omar Kabir, 34, formerly of Pomona, Ralph Deleon, 23, of Ontario, Miguel Alejandro Santana Vidriales, 21, of Upland and Arifeen David Gojali, 21, of Riverside, are named in an FBI criminal complaint with pages and pages of evidence about their alleged plan to travel to Afghanistan and start violent jihad.
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A mix of vile Jihadists, including—likely—an Arab Muslim (or perhaps just a Muslim who has adopted an Arab name), an Indian Muslim, and moronic new converts who are Hispanic and either white or African-American (I haven't found a picture of Ralph Deleon yet).

Under other circumstances, this might seem like a real Kumbaya moment, with people from different races and backgrounds coming together.

Of course, when it comes to Islam, this is pious Muslims of all races and backgrounds coming together to *murder Infidels*.

POMONA, Calif. (KABC) -- The four local men who were arrested on terror charges all worshipped at a mosque in Pomona, where they apparently met. Reaction from mosque members was mixed...

"If somebody does that, he's crazy, he's not normal," said Gamal Atia.

Atia says if the charges are true, they're reprehensible because Islam is about peace.

"If somebody tried to do that, he's really bad, and he's not Muslim," he said.
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Hmmm...shouldn't Mr. Atia take that up with his terrorist coreligionists? There seem to be an awful lot of them, all sadly misunderstanding the "peace" of Islam...

Of course, we all know that the "peace" of Islam solidly includes waging violent Jihad against the filthy Kuffar.

But there are others at the mosque, like Aaron Gaulding, who do not believe the charges and think the men were set up.
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They either "aren't real Muslims", or else they aren't Jihad terrorists. Really, you just *never* find violent Muslims...sarc/off

Besides—as Robert Spencer has asked many times before—how can a pious Muslim be "set up"? Why wouldn't any good Muslim simply tell everyone that "Islam is peace", and that he has no interest in plotting violent Jihad?

"They were wonderful young men," Gaulding said. "FBI entrapment is what I believe. The FBI has violated our civil rights and freedom of religion because he had come in here and prayed with us."
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Could anyone here—Muslim trolls excluded—get "entrapped" into committing violent Jihad? I think not.

Also, notice for his call to bar any security surveillance of Mosques whatsoever, on the ground that it "violates" Muslim civil rights. Never mind that such surveillance just uncovered a violent Jihad plot.

Gaulding was referring to the man working undercover for the FBI - a man who was paid more than $250,000 by the FBI to provide information about the suspects' activities. Gaulding thinks it was that confidential source who set up the four men as terrorists.

"If they're guilty of anything, it's just simply being of youth, naïve," he said, adding that he didn't think the men were capable of such an attack.
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"Youth". Never mind that one of them is *34*.

And while I'm sure all of us were naïve in one way or another in our early twenties—I know I was in some ways—would *anyone* here be incapable of understanding what plotting violent terrorism means? I think not...

The idea that all "youth" are poised to slaughter large numbers of their fellow citizens at the least suggestion from a peer does a great disservice to all young adults.

Instead, it is Islam itself and its terrible tenets that prime both long-term Muslims and new converts to contemplate murdering Infidels.

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