Robert Spencer: Should Israel Agree to a Cease-fire?

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In FrontPage this morning I consider the inevitable question:

The Jerusalem Post reported Monday that “Israel agreed to briefly hold off on sending ground forces into Gaza to allow time for cease-fire efforts to continue.” Meanwhile, Hamas top dog Khaled Mashaal demanded that Israel initiate a cease-fire if it wants a truce, and even claimed that Netanyahu asked for one: “Netanyahu was the one who requested a cease-fire from the Americans, Egypt and the Europeans. We were not the ones to ask for a cease-fire.” Israeli officials denied this, but did avow that “Israel prefers a diplomatic solution,” and was postponing a ground invasion in anticipation of one. Meanwhile, according to the Post, “Quartet Special Envoy Tony Blair told President Shimon Peres that Egypt, Qatar, America and the UN were working to put in place a ceasefire.” And so here we go again.

In all negotiations that may transpire, Israel will insist that the rocket attacks from Gaza must cease. But no cease-fire or previous negotiated settlement of any kind has ever accomplished this; why will this one be different? For that matter, no state has ever successfully reached a negotiated settlement with an enemy who had vowed to destroy it; why is Israel constantly expected to be different? Blair and all the others who are calling for an immediate cease-fire and negotiations seem to have forgotten, if they ever knew, what Hamas is, what its goals are, and who forms its leadership.

Many analysts continue to view Hamas as a nationalist group that will ultimately be pacified once a Palestinian state is set up. And to be sure, the Hamas Charter of August 1988 addresses nationalism, but not quite in those terms. It declares: “nothing is loftier or deeper in Nationalism than waging Jihad against the enemy and confronting him when he sets foot on the land of the Muslims.” When will it end? The Hamas Charter quotes Hasan al-Banna, the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood: “Israel will rise and will remain erect until Islam eliminates it as it had eliminated its predecessors.”

Hamas identifies itself in the Charter as “one of the wings of the Muslim Brothers in Palestine. The Muslim Brotherhood Movement is a world organization, the largest Islamic Movement in the modern era.”

In keeping with this guiding idea that Islam must be and will be the force that ultimately eliminates Israel, and that Islamic principles must rule all aspects of life, Hamas states its membership and its mission in the broadest possible terms, complete with copious quotes from the Qur’an: “the Islamic Resistance Movement consists of Muslims who are devoted to Allah and worship Him verily [as it is written]: ‘I have created Man and Devil for the purpose of their worship’ [of Allah]. . . . They have raised the banner of Jihad in the face of the oppressors in order to extricate the country and the people from the [oppressors’] desecration, filth and evil. ‘Nay, but we hurl the true against the false; and it does break its head and lo! it vanishes’ Sura 21 (the Prophets), verse 18.”

Hamas sees its Islamic mission as universal: “Its spatial dimension extends wherever on earth there are Muslims, who adopt Islam as their way of life; thus, it penetrates to the deepest reaches of the land and to the highest spheres of Heavens. . . . By virtue of the distribution of Muslims, who pursue the cause of the Hamas, all over the globe, and strive for its victory, for the reinforcement of its positions and for the encouragement of its Jihad, the Movement is a universal one.”

Hamas disdains peace talks: “[Peace] initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement. For renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion; the nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its faith, the movement educates its members to adhere to its principles and to raise the banner of Allah over their homeland as they fight their Jihad: ‘Allah is the all-powerful, but most people are not aware.’”

In laying out its aims in this way, Hamas and similar groups such as Islamic Jihad have painted themselves — and the Middle East — into a corner. The Muslim militants who see their struggle against Israel as part of their religious responsibility cannot and will not ever recognize Israel’s right to exist, or reach any kind of negotiated settlement with “the Zionist entity,” without denying what it has identified as “part of its faith.” After all, the Muslim Prophet Muhammad himself warned Muslims that “the last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him” (Sahih Muslim 6985).

This tradition is repeated, with small variations, numerous times in the Hadith, and is well known among Palestinian Muslims. In January 2012, Muhammad Hussein, the Mufti of the Palestinian Authority, quoted this notorious hadith at a Fatah event: “The reliable Hadith,” noted Hussein, “in the two reliable collections, Bukhari and Muslim, says: ‘The Hour will not come until you fight the Jews. The Jew will hide behind stones or trees. Then the stones or trees will call: “Oh Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.”’”

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Unfortunately, the only way to put an end to it, is to put an end to it...

Hudna is pointless. Finish them. (Odd, I don't root for sport teams.)

Anyone relying on the word of Tony Bliar is going to be severely disappointed...

If muslims world-over find the views exoressed in their texts about killing jews is acceptable, do not regret 9/11, London bombings or Mumbai shoot-outs, why should anyone care for palestenians and their sufferings?

If muslims world-over find the views exoressed in their texts about killing jews is acceptable, do not regret 9/11, London bombings or Mumbai shoot-outs, why should anyone care for palestenians and their sufferings?

In this age of multiculturalism, globalisation and open borders, isn't it anachronistic to talk about Nationalism for the "Palestinians"? They should all mix and intermingle in an utopic inter-faith and inter-racial paradise. After all we here in the West are being told to embrace multiculturalism in all its glorious (and inglorioius) forms, including moral relativism by our leaders, especially in Europe where Muslims have just about taken over and are given pride of place.

Nationalism has become a dirty word in the West, except of course for the Muslims - all Islamic nations are exempt from multiculturalism and no one in the West ever takes them to task for it. Multiculturalism it seems is only good for Judeo-Christian cultures and nations.

"Then the stones or trees will call: “Oh Muslim, ..."

Talking trees, talking stones, talking food and talking ants!!!
Muhammad and his companions believed that ants, stones, trees and food could talk, that stones could run, that the sun will rise from the west, that humans were turned to animals etc...
How silly, how irrational!
Any cease-fire would be equally silly and equally irrational.

http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2011/09/stoned-by-monkeys.html

In 1380 odd miserable years of history of gangland butchery, islamics only use truces, or contracts, or agreements to reload, recharge, restrategize, only so long as expedient before getting back into the jihad. That is the only purpose a ceasefire will serve, to benefit only the enemy islamics, if one occurs, for however long it occurs. If the palestinians do not already have CBN, perhaps it will allow smuggling in such devices. A cease fire is a mistake.

The big picture, can be illuminated in yet another great way, in this piece from a little while ago:

http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-gates-of-jerusalem.html

Dan presents a very large picture based upon the ultimate precepts of the islam gang, that many of us know here, its unchanging 1380 year imperialistic goals, and which islam gang expects to rob it all, and one giant set of real Jews' Gates of Jerusulem (Vienna) are standing in the way, of a long set of islamized dominoes, from falling into place for the gangsters of islam.

For the current times, on Fox last night, Col. Ollie North just said it right, as I mentioned months ago, Tehran is behind all the strings being pulled, and is the current chess master. Many and deep implications are herein implied in this statement, unsaid.

Consider all the heads of the member groups-nations, are trustworthy as devil's disciples, in league and purpose, just as a copy of the mafia, and more evil and worthless.


miriam rove wrote, replying to https://me.yahoo.com/a/rkfdIQZwtorb_0JPfUAOHMf11cByqNg-#5b9a6:

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miram, it can be difficult to tell these yahoo "strings of letters" apart—I believe you are responding to the virulently antisemitic posts of "...jn3..." instead.

I believe the poster, above, was speaking ironically, and that his was quite a good post.

Personally, I wish all of the yahoo posters would sign off with their username at the end of their comments so that we can more easily see who we are addressing.

Hope you are well, in any case, miriam, and will have a couple of fine cigars and some good strong scotch over the Thanksgiving holiday!

Given the history of Gaza and the West Bank, given the fact that 99% of Palestinians are 2nd and 3rd generation Muslims who were not alive during the 1948 attempt to destroy Israel, given the fact that none of them have any claim to any part of Gaza, never mind Israel , given the fact that no "ceasefire" or "truce" or "Camp David Accord" has done Israel any good or secured its existence – no one should give a camel turd about what happens to the Palestinians. The Palestinians are merely a pawn of Mideast Arab governments to destroy Israel. Israel should just invade the damned place, force out its population to Arab states that have refused to accept them and turn Gaza into another Silicon Valley. I'm really tired of hearing about Israel taking pains to not cause Palestinian casualties, when Hamas and the PLO and other gangs specifically target Israeli civilians. I say hit the mosques, hit the schools, hit the housing projects, hit the hospitals wherever Hamas launches rockets from. We didn't win WWII by "pin-pointing" our bombing raids over Germany and Japan. We know how that worked out. Civilians who remain in a combat zone – whether they're being held hostage by their own "defenders" or not – do not deserve "humanitarian" consideration. The object is to destroy and demoralize the enemy. You do that by wiping him out. And the Palestinians have more than once demonstrated that they celebrate the destruction and wounding of Israel. I say reciprocate the indifference. Reclaim Gaza, and force out the killers and the squatters. You don't fight and eradicate the irrational by granting it the moral high ground. You remove it.

Myself, awhile ago I came to the conclusion that Gaza, or 'the Gaza strip', was not a 'country' or a 'city-state'; it was nothing but a giant military base or armed camp, a fortress or series of fortresses, a forward operating base of the Jihad against the Jews.


And one should also, I think, view the whole place as a magazine, arsenal or arms dump.

Indeed, given the extent to which the Muslims have been making holes in it and stuffing it full of weapons and explosives, more and more and more and more, and setting up factories for the manufacture of these items all over, doubtless with their usual blend of inshallah fatalism and careless disregard for exact following of recipes and those silly Infidel precautions to do with Occupational Health and Safety and the proper conditions for the storage of dangerous items, I am simply astonished that we have not yet had an incident - either self-inflicted, perhaps from something as simple as some sharia-addled idiot dropping a cigarette butt in the wrong place, or miswiring a bomb, or as a result of an Israeli missile landing in what the Israelis assume to be a munitions store, but which they do not necessarily realize is part of an interlinked *chain* of such things - involving a whole series of enormous explosions taking out block after block after block.

Jihad Fortress Gaza is waaay overdue for the mother of all 'work accidents'.

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