Robert Spencer: Would a Palestinian State Bring Peace?

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In PJ Media this morning I discuss why the "two-state solution" should be abandoned forever.

As yet another round of the relentless jihad against Israel opens up, it’s useful to consider: would the two-state solution now taken for granted and offered by both parties really bring peace?

The need to establish a Palestinian state wasn’t even a point of controversy during the last election campaign. The Democrat Party platform read: “A just and lasting Israeli-Palestinian accord, producing two states for two peoples, would contribute to regional stability and help sustain Israel’s identity as a Jewish and democratic state.” For his part, Mitt Romney promised to “recommit America to the goal of a democratic, prosperous Palestinian state living side by side in peace and security with the Jewish state of Israel.”

But would a Palestinian state really stop the rain of rockets into Israel? Judging from the fact that so many of those rockets are coming from Gaza, it looks as if the dreaded, notorious, much-maligned object of frenzied Leftist and Islamic supremacist propagandizing, the Israeli “occupation,” was much more conducive to peace than independent or even semi-autonomous Palestinian entities. For before Israel withdrew voluntarily from Gaza in 2005, rockets were not flying into Israel in anything like the numbers they reached after the withdrawal. Around 35 rockets were fired into Israel in 2001; by 2006, the number had grown to 1,777 – almost all from Gaza.

Yet at the time of the withdrawal, pundits and politicians the world over predicted that the withdrawal would herald the dawn of a new age of peace between Israel and the Palestinian Muslims. Palestinians, we were told, would finally be able to turn away from war and live normal lives. Publishing magnate Mortimer Zuckerman tried to facilitate that return to normalcy by spearheading the purchase (for $14 million) of greenhouses the Israelis had constructed in Gaza; he gave them to the Palestinians so that they would have places to work. Instead, they turned them into weapon-smuggling tunnels.

Why would an independent Palestinian state be any different from post-withdrawal Gaza? Would such a state really bring, at long last, peace between Israel and the Palestinians – and, for that matter, “contribute to regional stability”? Egyptian Muslim cleric Muhammad Hussein Ya’qoub answered that question in January 2009, when he said on al-Rahma TV:

If the Jews left Palestine to us, would we start loving them? Of course not. We will never love them. Absolutely not. The Jews are infidels – not because I say so, and not because they are killing Muslims, but because Allah said: ‘The Jews say that Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah, and the Christians say that Christ is the son of Allah. These are the words from their mouths. They imitate the sayings of the disbelievers before. May Allah fight them. How deluded they are.”

The quotation is from the Qur’an (9:30). Ya’qoub explicitly rules out what is conventional wisdom in the U.S.: that the conflict between Israel and the Palestinian Muslims is simply over land, and can ultimately be resolved if only the right formula could be found. He goes even farther, saying that if all the Jews left “Palestine,” Muslims should still hate them, because it is their responsibility before Allah to do so. “It is Allah,” continued Ya’qoub, “who said that they are infidels. Your belief regarding the Jews should be, first, that they are infidels, and second, that they are enemies. They are enemies not because they occupied Palestine. They would have been enemies even if they did not occupy a thing. Allah said: ‘You shall find the strongest men in enmity to the disbelievers [sic] to be the Jews and the polytheists.’”

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On page 369 (554 in the Arabic) of the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad, Muhammad says "kill any Jew who falls into your power":

It's a "charming" story of two brothers, Muhayyissa and Huwayyisa: (To avoid confusing the two brothers, keep in mind that the brother whose name begins with M is the Murderer in the story.)

"The apostle [Muhammad] said, ‘Kill any Jew that falls into your power.Thereupon Muhayyisa bin Masud leapt upon Ibn Sunayna, a Jewish merchant with whom they had social and business relations, and killed him. Huwayyisa was not a Muslim at the time though he was the elder brother. When Muhayyisa killed [the Jewish merchant] Huwayyisa began to beat [his brother Muhayyisa], saying, 'You enemy of God, did you kill him when much of the fat on your belly comes from his wealth?' Muhayyisa answered, 'Had the one who ordered me to kill him ordered me to kill you I would have cut your head off.'...[Huwayyisa] replied, 'By God, if Muhammad had ordered you to kill me would you have killed me?' [Muhayyisa] said, 'Yes, by God, had he ordered me to cut off your head I would have done so.' [Huwayyisa] exclaimed, "By God, a religion which can bring you to this is marvellous!' and [Huwayyisa] became a Muslim."

Robert is right...One state, two states, or ten states, the jihad against Israel and the rest of the kufr world will continue...because, Allah wills it...He always has, he always will...He wrote extensively about it is his book...

Since you seem to be an Indian, I would like to tell you, as I intend to tell as many Indians as possible - do NOT get carried away by anti-jihadi comments of white westerners.

Sure enough, most of them want to destroy a religion that hates them and kills their innocent. But when it comes to Indians like you and me, they do not feel the same way about our innocents being killed. They not only will willingly condone terror attacks on Indians, but will also ally with the same jihadi terrorists if there is any political conflict between us and them.

That is what the British did, without any sense of decency and fairplay that they feigned. That is what they will do again!

Be cautious, and be a little distant from the whites. Their norms of morality are different from ours. They may not be opposing Islamists on principle but because they are at the receiving end of terror. They would not be above using the same terror against others if they felt it served their political ends.

Don't believe me?! Go through this news on how they have been calling Kasab a "gunman" and not a terrorist. Omar Abdullah tweeted about it. So did Nirupama Roy who is India's ambassador to the USA:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Kasab-execution-Omar-Abdullah-takes-a-dig-at-the-US-media-on-Twitter/articleshow/17315663.cms


Be very cautious when assessing how the white west feels and what their sense of right and wrong is. Let us take lessons from history and act in a way that we don't make the same mistake again that we did with the British.

Sanjay

It should be remembered that no Arab leader can make peace with Israel, even if he sincerely wanted to. Such a person would be treated as a traitor to the ummah and would get the same treatment as was meted out to Anwar Sadat. The entire concept of peace talks is a non-starter. The fact that the West appears not to know this fundamental fact shows how ill-equipped we are to deal with the Islamic mentality and reality.

Probably many would disagree, but I think Obama has inadvertently helped Israel by bringing the Islamist governments to power. It's all out in the open now; the US cannot be accused of suppressing the people; they have to now deal with the reality of getting what they say they wanted. Shi'ites and Sunnis will be at each other's throats more than ever.

I think Israelis will be under less pressure to give up more land from their little country because the whole region is in turmoil and the genocidal intentions of the Muslims become ever clearer, even to the clueless West.

Next step: dealing with Iran.

I very much doubt you are a Takiyya Samad Khan in the guise of Hindu Sanjay.

Huh? What white westerners "willingly condone terror attackes on Indians?" My guess here is that you are alluding to the Pakistani/India dynamic and America's involvement in this, but your conclusions are way over the top.

You know, a racist can come in any color. Look in the mirror to see one.

Sanjay,

Your comment is flat out racist lunacy against whites.

I believe creating a Palestinian state would be a great, though indirect, way for Israel to achieve a lasting peace.

That's because after independence, the international community will no longer see the new state's residents' problems as Israel's fault.

Therefore, if (when!) the new state continues to launch missiles over the wall, or host those who do, Israel simply declares war and conquers them. And nobody can say a word about it.

A good friend of mine said the same thing as you; however, the problem still is that:

1) No Palestinian leader can agree to a Palestinian state that does not include every square inch from the Mediterranean to the Jordan. Anything less would be cast as a betrayal of the ummah. If, hypothetically, you could cross that hurdle then outside troops would have to be stationed there to protect the new Palestinian state from radical elements. There's no guarantee the political will to keep them there would survive decade after decade, especially if soldiers were being killed. Israel-haters would say that American soldiers were dying for Israel.

2) There is an excellent chance the new state would do just what the Gazans are doing -- shooting missiles into Israel and hiding the launchers in densely populated areas. Then we'd hear the chorus of accusations that Israel is targeting civilians. It's extremely hard for Israel to fight a war when the international media is perched on its shoulder criticizing every move. And such a war would lead to the deaths of Israelis, as well.

3) Lastly, giving up more land makes Israel indefensible. Israel cannot give away more land to hostile populations with a clear agenda of genocide.

Peace talks will lead nowhere. They absolutely can not succeed. For the Muslim world they are purely a stratagem for the elimination of the Jewish State.

So when whites draw moral equivalence between terrorists and Indians, it is some sort of a "dynamic" going on. When there is a terror attack against whites, it is an unambiguous act of savagery.

THAT is racism.

Standard ploy by white racists (nearly a redundancy of terms) now is to call anyone who calls them out a racist of another color.

However, we do not have any hero who was a racist / casteist. Whites do not have any hero who was NOT a racist, including even Abraham Lincoln.

Sanjay

Would a Palestinian state bring peace with Israel?

Read the Hamas Charter: http://www.thejerusalemfund.org/www.thejerusalemfund.org/carryover/documents/charter.html

The short answer is NO.

Sanjay,

In your initial comment in this thread, you revealed yourself to be a stark raving lunatic who is racist against white people.

Your subsequent attempt to hide and deflect and employ fallacies only confirms the irrationality, ignorance, and hatred motivating your initial comment.

Sanjay 111 wrote, replying to Duh Swami:

Since you seem to be an Indian, I would like to tell you, as I intend to tell as many Indians as possible - do NOT get carried away by anti-jihadi comments of white westerners.

Sure enough, most of them want to destroy a religion that hates them and kills their innocent. But when it comes to Indians like you and me, they do not feel the same way about our innocents being killed. They not only will willingly condone terror attacks on Indians, but will also ally with the same jihadi terrorists if there is any political conflict between us and them...
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Sanjay—with respect—whatever are you on about?

I've never heard *anyone* here condone Jihad attacks against Indians, or any other non-Westerners. Just look back through the stories on the Mumbai attacks and Jihad in Kashmir.

Anti-Jihadists, including myself, have never been anything but solidly supportive of Hindu, Christian, and secular Indians suffering at the hands of Muslim savagery.

And Robert Spencer has publicly allied with Indians threatened by Jihad.

To suggest otherwise is either profoundly ignorant, or the grossest calumny.

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