Turkey's President calls on West to "curb" criticism of Islam

Gul says he believes in free speech, but "incitement to hate and violence" should not enjoy free speech protections. By this he doesn't mean the hate sermons of imams calling for jihad against Infidels, but the writings of "Islamophobes," including accurate analyses of how jihadists use the texts and teachings of Islam to promote violence and supremacism.

The problem with his distinction between freedom of speech and "incitement to hate and violence" is that what constitutes the latter is a subjective judgment. The person who gets to decide what is "incitement to hate and violence" is the one who holds the power to control the public discourse. If the standard by which such incitement is determined is whether or not Muslims are rioting over something, then to outlaw this "incitement" would be tantamount to saying that all Muslims need do is riot in order to shut up someone who is saying things they don't like.

And that, of course, is Abdullah Gul's real objective: to compel the West to criminalize criticism of Islam and adopt Sharia blasphemy codes, under the guise of criminalizing "hate speech."

As for Gul's claim that "Islamophobia" is akin to antisemitism, the late Christopher Hitchens ably took that claim apart when writing a few years ago about the Islamic supremacist mega-mosque at Ground Zero: "'Some of what people are saying in this mosque controversy is very similar to what German media was saying about Jews in the 1920s and 1930s,' Imam Abdullah Antepli, Muslim chaplain at Duke University, told the New York Times. Yes, we all recall the Jewish suicide bombers of that period, as we recall the Jewish yells for holy war, the Jewish demands for the veiling of women and the stoning of homosexuals, and the Jewish burning of newspapers that published cartoons they did not like."

Gul's aim in this is to intimidate people into thinking that criticism of Islamic supremacism leads to the gas chambers, and thus there must be no criticism of Islamic supremacism. The unstated assumption is that if one group was unjustly accused of plotting subversion and violence, and was viciously persecuted and massacred on the basis of those false accusations, then any group accused of plotting subversion and violence must be innocent, and any such accusation must be in service of preparing for their internment and massacre.

The key difference is not only that Muslim leaders worldwide have made their intention to conquer and subjugate non-Muslims very clear, in a way that Jews never did in the run-up to the Holocaust; it is also that anti-jihadists nowhere advocate a "final solution" for Muslims, and never will -- we are merely calling upon them to drop the authoritarian and repressive aspects of Sharia and obey the laws of the Western societies in which they live. This is a movement in defense of freedom and equality of rights before the law.

"Turkish president Abdullah Gul on Syria and Islamophobia," by Haroon Siddiqui in the Toronto Star, November 28:

...Abdullah Gul, president of Turkey, heads a prosperous moderate Muslim democracy when much of the Middle East is roiled by popular revolts against dictatorships and for better economic conditions....

As foreign minister (2003-07), Gul spearheaded Turkey’s unsuccessful bid to join the European Union. Most Turks have soured on the idea, given European resistance, and Turkey’s economy booming and Europe’s tanking.

But it’s a quest that Gul still advocates as essential to keeping Turkey on the path to European liberal standards. At the same time, he’s pained by the West’s Islamophobia.

“It’s the same as anti-Semitism,” he said.

“It reminds us that while the West has high levels of education and income, it has diseases that are not easily curable. The diseases of the East, mainly illiteracy and poverty, are easier to fix than the diseases of the West, such as anti-Semitism and Islamophobia.

“Islamophobia poses particular risks in today’s globalized world. It can be costly as well as a menace to world peace, increase risks to the lives of ordinary people and complicate the world political situation.

“Just like the world tackled anti-Semitism, we need to take measures to contain anti-Islamism.”

Gul mentioned the recent short anti-Muhammad film made in the U.S. by a member of the radicalized Egyptian Coptic Christian diaspora and funded by a fundamentalist Christian.

“When we look at the people behind the film and their background, we can see which groups and people they were associated with. This speaks for itself. They are full of hate for Muslims and Islam

“I believe in freedom of speech but I also believe that this discourse of hate, and incitement to hate and violence should in no way be considered part of free speech. If we don’t curb it, it will only lead to graver problems.

“The western world has troops in Afghanistan and is very much engaged in the Middle East. On the other hand, it permits deliberate acts of hate that create security issues, and innocent people from both sides suffer.”

What does he think of the violent protests in parts of the Muslim world against insults to Islam, the Qur’an and Muhammad?

“Islamophobic needling provocations will happen again. They are deliberate. But they must be ignored. The Muslim world should not react in the way it has.”...

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It is difficult enough, even with freedom of speech in Western Civilizations to convey to the dhimmi world what a hideous threat Islam is to their lives.

Imagine if any thing Islam was verbotten in Western society, we would all be sitting ducks for their aggressive Islamic supremacy through jihad.

Muslims are allergic to criticism … Among other strange reactions to it, it
makes them violent and makes them do underhanded evil things …

The latest …Islam Watch is off because it was hacked by you know who...

No worries….

It will be back … it will be cured from the nasty Muslim virus ..

When Muslims can not argue with reason, they turn to sabotage

This is the typical Muslim way out … weak way out.

The only the reason that criticism of Islam needs to be "curbed" is because the foundations and doctrines of Islam are so weak that they can't stand up to criticism.

Gul says he believes in free speech, but "incitement to hate and violence" should not enjoy free speech protections.

How about incitement to reasonable thought, criticism, disrespect, refutation?

What I see is a quest to criminalize criticism of government and government officials, provided that the government has merged with Islam or has been swallowed whole by Islam.

this is every reason the Turkey should not be accepted to the EU. But the Dhimmi EU countries will go out of their way to destroy their culture.
M

"They (the people behind the film) are full of hate for Muslims and Islam"

Correction:
They are full of hate for Islam, period.

They LOVE Muslims, and because they love them, they're trying to unveil the filth of Muhammad and of his satanic religion.

http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/12/perfect-man-of-islam.html

The "west" (or more accurately, "developed humanity", as found in the west, east, north and south) can stop criticism of islam once it stops criticism of fascism. Never Ever.

I can't help but see countless similarities between hardline muslims and vampires. For instance, speaking the truth about islam is to muslims like a crucifix, garlic, and mirrors are to vampires. It infuriates them but somehow they seem to dodge and escape it before it does too much harm.

Having said that.....I can't help but feel that the time is drawing near for islam to be caught lurking around in its evil darkness a bit too long and allowing an opprotunity for freedom lovers to rip open the curtains and snap up the shades, drenching the evil monsters in sunlight. Then stand there and watch as they burn up and fade out into history, only to rear its ugly head again centuries later when all but a few have forgotten about them.

(Wow...I think I watched too much TV when I was child.)

And I might add to my comment above that a vampire can not come into your house as you lay sleeping and spread its evil by sucking your blood and turning you into an evil being unless......you have, at one time, invited it.

Something for immigration officials to ponder.

The problem with singling out Turkey for condemnation for advocating enactment of blasphemy laws is that several western liberal democracies currently have blasphemy laws on the books.
As JWatch published contemporaneously herewith on Nov 29:
"Reidy says many European states still have laws prohibiting blasphemy, although in many cases such legislation has not been invoked for decades. Different European countries have taken their own trajectories on the issue in recent years, making it hard to discern a clear trend.
Britain, for example, scrapped a blasphemy law in 2008, which had made it illegal to insult Christianity. But it has since replaced it with a more general law against incitement to religious hatred.
"Ireland introduced a new law in 2010 that makes blasphemy a crime punishable by a fine of up to 25,000 euros ($32,485). The Irish law defines blasphemy as "publishing or uttering matter that is grossly abusive or insulting in relation to matters sacred by any religion thereby intentionally causing outrage among a substantial number of adherents of that religion, with some defenses permitted."
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/11/free-speech-victory-dutch-parliament-revokes-blasphemy-law.html

Additionally, I'm pretty sure Germany and France still criticize holocaust denial speech.
As pointed out by Reidy in his article published today on JWatch as linked immediately above there are "other European states prohibiting blasphemy."

I oppose laws prohibiting hate speech and blasphemy, however defined, but until such time as the European states that maintain such laws follow Holland's example and rescind them, castigating Turkey and other sharia law states on this account will be rightfully perceived as blatantly hypocritical.

My Gosh ! Oh peace and understanding are on its way. Won't the world be a far better place when the OIC gets its way and Jihadwatch and all its commenters are forbidden to speak out against Islam.

Think of it we will peacefully be able to watch the Mighty Allah's laws being obeyed when drunks and fornicators are flogged, the hands and feet of thieves removed and adulters, apostates and homosexuals will be killed. We will also be able to assert our authority over women and husbands will be free to beat their wives safe in the knowledge no one can any longer speak out and object.

Praise be to the Mighty Allah who always knows best.

What society can live without blasphemy laws? Back in 1811, New York jailed a man named Ruggles for blasphemy against the name of Jesus Christ, and the state's supreme court upheld the conviction. Today, the "hate speech" laws proposed by many of those on the Left are nothing but blasphemy laws protecting the gods of EmCee/PeeCee and Sodomy. In times past in America, blasphemy laws were used in a number of jurisdictions to give the authorities an excuse to arrest a troublemaker and hold him until they were sure a charge of disturbing the peace or some similar thing might hold.

But, even so, I say that the Qur'an is a lie and Muhammad was delusional.

Last time I checked there were no blasphemy laws in the US. I also opine that any state court in the US enforcing state blasphemy laws would be reversed by the US Sup Ct on appeal.
Unfortunately, blasphemy is not unique to the sharia law countries. See the list of European countries which have similar religious incitement laws. http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3474/blasphemy-laws-europe

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