Two of the four California jihad mass murder suspects were new converts to Islam

Yet still no Islamic organization in the U.S. offers any strategy to prevent “radicalization” of converts. Now, why is that? “2 of 4 Calif. Terror Suspects Were New Islamic Converts,” by Gillian Flaccus for the Associated Press, November 21:

(UPLAND, Calif.) “” Three of the young men swept up in a federal terrorism probe grew up in the Southern California suburbs where they played pick-up basketball, ran for homecoming court and sparred in video games with neighborhood kids “” a far cry from the wannabe terrorists described by the FBI.

Two of the men converted to Islam less than two years ago and the third, an American-born Vietnamese Muslim, drifted into the orbit of the alleged terror cell as recently as September after a game of paintball. He also is an unemployed high school dropout and new father.

The rapid evolution from suburban teen to aspiring jihadist alleged in court documents blindsided family members, but experts who study homegrown terrorism said the case highlights the susceptibility of new converts to radicalization, particularly among the young.

Conversion to Islam requires just a single statement of faith, but the newly faithful must then choose among a universe of competing interpretations of Islam, many overtly political and easily available on the Internet.

“To convert to Islam you just have to make one statement of faith: “˜There is no God but God, and Muhammad is his messenger.” But these people did that and then they feel they are Muslim,” said Muhamad Ali, an assistant professor at the University of California, Riverside, and an expert in Islamic studies.

They don’t just “feel” they are Muslim. If they say the shahada in front of a Muslim male witness, then they are Muslim, by every definition of Islam.

“They might pray five times a day, they might fast, but they don’t see Islam in a comprehensive way. Education and understanding are critical and one of the challenges in the United States is to make sure that these converts are in the right hands.”

What are the “right hands”? What is a “comprehensive way”? In any case, in reality, no mosque or Islamic school in the U.S. offers any program to keep converts away from the al-Qaeda understanding of Islam.

According to court documents, the four men arrested late last week in what the FBI called a homegrown terror cell weren’t in the right hands.

Two of the men, Miguel Alejandro Santana Vidriales, 21, and Ralph Deleon, 23, converted after meeting 34-year-old Sohiel Omar Kabir in an Ontario, Calif., hookah bar. The naturalized U.S. citizen from Afghanistan introduced them to the radical Islamist doctrine of the U.S.-born extremist cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, who was killed last year in an American airstrike in Yemen, according to court files unsealed this week.

Kabir later returned to Afghanistan but continued to talk with the Southern California men on Skype. He was taken into custody last weekend.

The fourth defendant, 21-year-old Arifeen David Gojali, joined the group in September after they played paintball together to sharpen their skills, according to court documents.

The father of a baby girl had moved out of his parents” home two months ago and drifted away as he fell under the sway of Deleon, who was a charismatic and popular worshipper at the mosque the two attended, Gojali’s younger sister told The Associated Press….

All four men are facing charges of providing material support to terrorists, which can carry a maximum 15-year prison sentence.

Authorities won’t say how the investigation began, but at least two members of the group shared their beliefs on Facebook and held Skype phone calls with Kabir “” all of which was recorded by an FBI informant or captured by agents monitoring their activity.

Covert FBI agents had conversations with Santana online, where he expressed his support of jihad and desire to join al-Qaida, authorities said….

“The imams should reach out. They have to make the mosques interesting and attractive to young generations and try to understand their psychology, try to address their concerns and have a dialogue,” said Ali, the UC Riverside professor.

“They cannot just say “˜Islam is a religion of peace” and do nothing. To me, this is a really a challenge for imams, to really address the issue,” he said. “They cannot deny it’s happening, even though it’s a very small minority.”

Indeed. But they will not be doing anything by making mosques “interesting and attractive to young generations.” They would have to undertake a radical reinterpretation of the passages of the Qur’an and Hadith that enjoin violence against unbelievers, and a rejection of the mainstream Islamic understanding of those passages. And that is not going to happen.

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  1. says

    …and one of the challenges in the United States is to make sure that these converts are in the right hands.

    Why should the USA be tasked with ensuring converts end up in the right hands?

    Converting, “reverting” to Islam should be a crime. Then no young men will end up in the wrong hands.

  2. says

    These four California jihad mass murder suspects are the real Muslims. They are the ones who correctly understand and apply Islam the way in which it has been traditionally taught and practiced. This Muhamad Ali chacacter, the assistant professor at the University of California mentioned in the article above, is blindly seeing Islam through rose colored glasses – at best. The modern invention of moderate Islam is a fantasy that will never stick. The larger community of Muslims, the Islamic Ummah, will never be able to mold Islam into a “Religion of Peace”.

    The Qur’an is so full of hatred for the unbelievers and its verses promoting violence are so many that it is a near miracle that there has not been more Islamic terrorism to date in North American.

    We ex-Muslims living with Islam’s formal and informal death penalty for apostasy know that Islam is a through and through fraud.

    The vile Qur’an instills an incredible amount of hatred in the Muslim mind towards the infidel unbeliever:

    Qur’an 008:055

    Yusuf Ali:
    For the worst of beasts in the sight of Allah are those who reject Him: They will not believe.

    Shakir:
    Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe.

    Pickthall:
    Lo! the worst of beasts in Allah’s sight are the ungrateful who will not believe.

    Here is a recent statement from a group of Bangladeshi apostates living in the UK explaining the reasons why they have abandoned Islam:

    “One who claims to be a messenger of God is expected to live a saintly life. He must not be given to lust, he must not be a sexual pervert, and he must not be a rapist, a highway robber, a war criminal, a mass murderer or an assassin. One who claims to be a messenger of God must have a superior character. He must stand above the vices of the people of his time. Yet Muhammad’s life is that of a gangster godfather. He raided merchant caravans, looted innocent people, massacred entire male populations and enslaved the women and children. He raped the women captured in war after killing their husbands and told his followers that it is okay to have sex with their captives (Qur’an 33:50). He assassinated those who criticized him and executed them when he came to power and became de facto despot of Arabia. Muhammad was bereft of human compassion. He was an obsessed man with his dreams of grandiosity and could not forgive those who stood in his way…

    The statement continues,

    Muhammad was a narcissist, like Hitler, Saddam or Stalin. He was astute and knew how to manipulate people, but his emotional intelligence was less evolved than that of a 6-year-old child. He simply could not feel the pain of others. He brutally massacred thousands of innocent people and pillaged their wealth. His ambitions were big and as a narcissist he honestly believed he is entitled to do as he pleased and commit all sorts of crimes and his evil deeds are justified.”

  3. says

    Garbage In, Garbage Out explains everything about Muslims. Ape the words and deeds of a psychopath and you become psychotic. No surprise.

    Now, tell me why we’ve allowed Islam and Muslims to infest civilized countries.

  4. says

    RS notes:

    “Indeed. But they will not be doing anything by making mosques “interesting and attractive to young generations.””

    Well, I disagree.

    This mosque was apparently very “interesting and attractive” to at least four “youths”.

  5. says

    Anyone considering the effect upon the recruitment rate when The Call to Prayer channel opens up on broadcast TV? [I have no insight to such a thing happening; I’m just speculating.]

    If we’re dumb enough to permit religious broadcasting at all, where the feeble-minded are overwhelmed by the cunning, how can they be denied?

  6. says

    Said Muhamad Ali, an assistant professor at the University of California, Riverside, and an expert in Islamic studies: “Education and understanding are critical and one of the challenges in the United States is to make sure that these converts are in the right hands.”

    The United States of America has a long legal tradition where it acknowledges that the government has no business making choices regarding what is and is not a valid interpretation of any religious tradition. The only exception is when a religious interpretation has a major impact on society, as in the example of Mormon polygamy.

    Therefore, the only conclusion that can be drawn is that the responsibility that “these converts are in the right hands” lies with Prof Muhamad Ali and other apparently reputable American Muslims. It is their job to denounce Muslim clerics who entice young people into jihadi violence, and to work to have such clerics deported if they are not citizens.

    It may be Thanksgiving morning but the crickets are chirping very loudly.

    The number of Muslims in the U.S. who have actively and publicly opposed pro-jihad clerics by name over the previous two decades is very small, likely under a dozen. There is no way there are less that a dozen such situations to oppose. The conclusion to be drawn here for the the Jihad Watch newcomer is that Prof Muhamad Ali is engaging in evasive language to protect the jihadi clerics (taqiyya), or he is afraid of them, or both. The conclusion is that stealth jihad is very much alive here.

    Thank you Robert Spencer for constantly showing us these examples.

  7. says

    This is what I’ve been demanding time and again: dawa should be banned all over the Western world. Mahoundians shouldn’t be allowed to proselytise. All over the Western world the worst terrorists are converts to Islam and even, if they aren’t terrorists these converts are much less integrated than their migrant counterparts. We’ve got a problem with the ideology not with migrants.

    But they keep telling us, this claim is against freedom of religion. On the other hand there are places in England where Christians aren’t allowed to advertise their faith. This is called maintaining good community relations.

    And always keep in mind Islam is the religion of peace(TM), of tolerance and there is no religion on this planet that cherishes women as much as Islam. Muslims love women to death.

  8. says

    I will maintain until my dying day that all muslims in the U.S. should be deported.

    We have neither the capabilities nor the will to analyze every muslim or muslima turd in our great country to determine if they are ready, right now, to wander down to the nearest synagogue and blow everybody up, or if they are the ticking timebomb of “Sudden Jihad”.

    This is the infestation, my friends, that is going on right now in our great contry:

    http://www.radicalislam.org/threat/homegrown-threat/us-mosques

  9. says

    This Muslim ‘professor’ is doing taqiyya. As noted by PRCS above, the mosques already are interesting and attractive enough to attract the naive youngsters. He is only fooling those kafirs who don’t read jihadwatch, into supporting exactly that which will attract more non-Muslim youth.

  10. says

    Two of the four California jihad mass murder suspects were new converts to Islam
    ……………………..

    What a surprise! sarc/off

    The fact is that new converts to *any* religion tend to be especially zealous, and apt to spend a lot of time in prayer and observing the rites and rituals of their new faith, as well as energetically following the values espoused by believers.

    In some religions, that might being especially charitable. In Islam, though, that means waging violent Jihad against the unbelievers.

    More:

    Yet still no Islamic organization in the U.S. offers any strategy to prevent “radicalization” of converts. Now, why is that?
    ……………………..

    I realize that this is a rhetorical question, but it can still be answered. Two reasons: one, they don’t want to, because that would mean cutting out the dark heart of Islam, and no pious Muslims is willing to contemplate such a thing; and that they believe”with good reason, I’m afraid”that many credulous Kaffirs are *still* all too willing to believe that violent Jihad has nothing to do with “real Islam”, so they just pour the Taqiyya on whenever they are caught out, as here.

    More:

    Conversion to Islam requires just a single statement of faith, but the newly faithful must then choose among a universe of competing interpretations of Islam, many overtly political and easily available on the Internet.
    ……………………..

    What crap. The “interpretation” is always the same”it is just that some choose to act immediately on the doctrines of violent Jihad, while others are willing to bide their time or let their coreligionists act. that is the *only* difference.

    More:

    “To convert to Islam you just have to make one statement of faith: “There is no God but God, and Muhammad is his messenger.’ But these people did that and then they feel they are Muslim,” said Muhamad Ali, an assistant professor at the University of California, Riverside, and an expert in Islamic studies.
    ……………………..

    The usual implication’that these Jihadists just “misunderstood” their new faith. Gee, why is that *so* common, with both life-long Muslims and new converts? sarc/off

    And Muhammad Ali was involved with the meretricious “A Common Word” Taqiyya-fest, meant to lull Westerners into a false sense of security after 9/11.

    More:

    “They might pray five times a day, they might fast, but they don’t see Islam in a comprehensive way. Education and understanding are critical and one of the challenges in the United States is to make sure that these converts are in the right hands.”
    ……………………..

    And if we don’t then it is our fault that we have Jihad terrorist among us. Never mind that Muslims resist every attempt at monitoring Mosques and Masjids, screaming that such surveillance violates their “civil rights” and constitutes “entrapment”…

    More:

    What are the “right hands”? What is a “comprehensive way”? In any case, in reality, no mosque or Islamic school in the U.S. offers any program to keep converts away from the al-Qaeda understanding of Islam.
    ……………………..

    No, indeed. And how could it? This is perfectly mainstream Islam.

    More:

    “The imams should reach out. They have to make the mosques interesting and attractive to young generations and try to understand their psychology, try to address their concerns and have a dialogue,” said Ali, the UC Riverside professor.
    ……………………..

    I believe the problem is that Mosques are *all too attractive* to bloody-minded would-be converts. That, in fact, is the very problem.

    More:

    “They cannot just say “Islam is a religion of peace’ and do nothing. To me, this is a really a challenge for imams, to really address the issue,” he said. “They cannot deny it’s happening, even though it’s a very small minority.”
    ……………………..

    I guess it’s too difficult for even the apologist to completely deny violent Jihad at this point. Not that this will really change anything…

  11. says

    The description of Mahound at the end of your post would also fit the movie character Hannibal Lecter…his ‘intelligence’ was not beneficial to his victims…Unfortunately, intelligence will not save anyone from mental illness…In my checkered past, I have strapped intelligent people down to a bed, and injected them with happy juice…I once knew a mental patient who was unique in that he had symptoms of every known type of psychosis…Mahound, if he ever really existed, fits that…

  12. says

    My reply is to wait until they commit their crimes, and pounce on them. Also, allow the law-abiding in the USA to retain their weapons.

  13. says

    The Shahada says that Muhammad of Makka is a prophet of God, so I could never say it even once as anything except, perhaps, an exercise in learning Arabic.

    Muhammad of Makka lies buried in the sand near Medina in Arabia awaiting the resurrection of the just and unjust alike and final judgment; Jesus of Nazareth, is risen body and soul from the dead, and holds all authority in heaven and on earth, including the keys of death and Hell, and will pronounce judgment.

    As for these religious perverts (perversions occur in all areas of life, not just sex), if they are guilty, throw the book at them!

  14. says

    “The United States of America has a long legal tradition where it acknowledges that the government has no business making choices regarding what is and is not a valid interpretation of any religious tradition. The only exception is when a religious interpretation has a major impact on society, as in the example of Mormon polygamy.”

    And Islam is not precisely an exception to this protection our Constitution affords religions? Anyone who has been reading Jihad Watch for a while (and as prodigiously alarming as is the mountain of data warehoused here at JW, there are more mountains of data to add to it, yielding whole mountain ranges of damning data about the problem and danger of Islam, amid mountains more of dots screaming for connection by anyone with half a brain) can see that Islam is the Exception Par Excellence in this regard. What more does a Religion have to be to warrant our recognition that it lies outside the protections afforded by our Constitution?

    Let’s see, Islam mandates —

    sedition
    hatred
    supremacism
    expansionism
    a violent abrogation of all Western liberties and freedoms
    violence in order to pursue the above list

    and, as part and parcel of all of the above:

    it directly contradicts the Constitution not only ideologically, but seditiously, in terms of fostering the goal to destroy it and replace it with Islamic Sharia.

    Indeed, specifically, Islam is the embodiment of a violent/stealth project to violate Article 6 of the Constitution (which of course is the cornerstone of the entire document):

    This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

    This provision, so to speak, “abrogates” anything else in the Constitution by which some apologist weasel (or PC MC-compomised soul with starry eyes) would seek, or claim, to find protection for Islam in the Constitution. If we follow Article VI (and we must, according to Article VI itself), the Constitution itself outlaws Islam already.

    The American brain and its reflexes are just currently lagging behind what its heart & mind long ago solemnly swore to uphold.

    And the extent to which my last paragraph holds may be measured by how many even within the Counter Jihad wring their hands, shake their heads, and with benighted sincerity and anxiety, mouth the inanity like parrots that “well, our hands are tied by the Constitution…what can we do…!?”

    Pish posh. Read the Constitution. Use your noodle. Apply some gumption.

    And pass the gravy.

  15. says

    Oh, I don’t disagree with the basis of your post, except to point out that our hands ARE currently tied by current interpretations of the Constitution. Untying our hands requires the following:

    1) Large numbers of people would need to change their views to be more in accord with your post, and

    2) Events of deadly and pressing immediacy would need to be present for some action in accord with your post

    I had thought that 9/11 was going to undo the influence of the hand-wringers, but that turned out to be wrong.

  16. says

    Gravenimage

    you say, of Muhammad Ali at the University of Southern California, Riverside, that he was involved with “the meretricious “A Common Word” Taqiyya-fest”.

    Was he one of the 138 signatories?

    I just had a look at the list of signatories and can’t see him. Or are you thinking of something else?

    The reason I asked is that I kept a copy of the entire text of ‘A Common Word’ (if you mean by that, the letter from the Muslims to the world’s Christian leaders, that was presented in October 2007) and of the list of signatories; and every time the name of one of the signatories pops up in the news here or elsewhere, attached to Something Nasty, I make a note of that, next to the name.

    By now it’s become a *very* interesting dossier…