Australia: Muslim cleric says, "Islamic law permits by definition, by prophetic statement and by practice female circumcision"

Islamic apologists in the West maintain that female genital mutilation has nothing to do with Islam, and that only greasy Islamophobes think otherwise. But eventually Muslims themselves get around to vindicating every last charge that greasy Islamophobes have ever made about Islamic belief and practice.

"Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female) (by cutting off the piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male, but circumcision of the female is by cutting out the bazr 'clitoris' [this is called khufaadh 'female circumcision'])." -- 'Umdat al-Salik e4.3, translated by Mark Durie, The Third Choice, p. 64

"Female circumcision is a right, says imam," by Rachel Baxendale for The Australian, December 24 (thanks to Block Ness):

A MUSLIM leader and outspoken opponent of female genital mutilation says female circumcision, which he defines as the partial removal of the clitoral hood, is not only an utterly distinct practice, but the "divinely ordained right of a woman" under Islam.

Sydney-based Al-Ghazzali Centre for Islamic Sciences and Human Development founder and president, Imam Afroz Ali, appeared on the ABC's 7:30 program in October, condemning female genital mutilation and saying he had been told by community members of its occurrence in Australia.

But Imam Afroz defines female circumcision and female genital mutilation as "two very different, and unrelated, kinds of acts; the former being permissible and the latter completely forbidden under Islamic law".

The imam, who was yesterday unable to be contacted, made the argument in a paper entitled Mutilating Facts: Setting the Record Straight About Female Circumcision & Genital Mutilation, published this year on his SeekersGuidance website.

"Islamic law permits by definition, by prophetic statement and by practice female circumcision," he wrote. "The definition under Islamic law for female circumcision is exclusively the removal of the uppermost extra skin at the top of the clitoral glans.

"Female circumcision in its legitimate form is a personal and human right of a woman; genital mutilation is a horrible crime."

Imam Afroz indicated he believed the practice should only be performed on post-pubescent women. The imam argued his definition of female circumcision was the same as labiaplasty, or genital cosmetic surgery, which was legal in Australia.

Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists vice-president Ajay Rane said he had three main concerns about Imam Afroz's paper.

"Firstly, I felt that there was confusion in the article itself. On the one hand, he's saying female circumcision is supposed to be a woman's right in Islam, on the other, he's saying it's a cultural thing," he said. "The second issue is that of consent, and the third is who does these procedures?

"How do you train them to understand the difference between removal of a small and large amount? How do you control that?"...

Indeed.

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More Muslim contradictions, taqiyya and a dose of ignorance.
So it's a woman's right to have her clitoris removed is it, but it's an abomination for her to be mutilated completely?
That's like saying that it's a man's right to have his penis chopped off, but it's not alright to castrate him.
I like also, the way he declares that female circumcision is a human right, as if the woman enjoys it and it is doing her a favour.
Muslims are thoroughly disgusting!

Afroz Ali is a heavy hitter:

here's his whole body of work:

Setting the Record Straight About Female Circumcision & Genital Mutilation

http://seekersguidance.org/blog/2012/04/mutilating-facts-setting-the-record-straight-about-female-circumcision-genital-mutilation/


and this guy is depicted as an 'opponent' of FGM. He's not, of course; he just calls it circumcision, and he compares it with cosmetic surgery, which it isn't. Far from it.

He also claims the female should make her own 'informed decision' when she is mature, which under Mohammedan law means 9 years of age.

Either way, he's lying. Because in Indonesia where they follow the Shafii
school they do cut the clitoris out when the girls are one, two or three years of age. Its far fetched to claim the girls are making their own decision at that age.

"Its [Islam's] governments are not governments…It makes life barren and empty. It encourages a savage pride and cruelty. It makes men tyrants or slaves, women puppets, religion the submission to an infinite despotism."

----James Freeman Clarke, American abolitionist, theologian, author of “Ten Great Religions—An Essay in Comparative Theology”, 1871

This careful, slyly surgical distinction made by this Australian Muslim is the same one attempted by Dr. Hatem al-Haj (aka El-Hagaly), the pediatrician who in Arabic defended and advocated, and probably practiced, FGM in a clinic in Minnesota that was part of the Mayo clinic system there. El-Hagaly claimed that distinction, and then even went further, as I recall, to claim that he was only advocating an abstract distinction and never even practiced (supposedly) non-mutilating female circumcision at all.

Jihad Watch had a story on that:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/05/leading-us-muslim-jurist-female-genital-mutilation-an-honor-in-islam.html

My blog featured an interview with the long-time Jihad Watch reader CGW, who did a lot of heavy lifting on that case:

http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2012/05/interview-with-cgw-ordinary-citizen-who.html

Allah obviously made an error of design of females and muslim doctors have to remove those "unwanted" body parts.

"How do you train them to understand the difference between removal of a small and large amount? How do you control that?"

That may be what coined the Arabic word 'Oops'...

Shame on Rachel Baxendale for playing the useful idiot and relaying this imam's deceptive propaganda/ talking points.

As for the imam, he is an authority who is clearly permitting Muslims to cut girls' and women's clitorises and therefore (in a sane society that punishes authoritative endorsements/incitements/calls/commands to criminal violence) should be arrested forthwith.

Sheik Yer'Mami wrote:

Afroz Ali is a heavy hitter:

here's his whole body of work:

Setting the Record Straight About Female Circumcision & Genital Mutilation...
..........................

Thanks for the links, Sheik. Afroz Ali seems to be from the "baffle them with bullsh*t school of Taqiyya, where he just throws mountains of frequently repetitive crap at the reader.

Then he claims that the West practices "female circumcision" as well, conflating rare medical procedures with the horror of Islamic FGM.

His most grimly hilarious passage is here:

"These procedures are for exactly the same reason [in the West—GI] as the Islamic Law permits them, to the extent that the Shafi’i School considers it a personal obligation to undertake the procedure so as not to be sexually deprived."

The idea that Islam mutilates women *so they won't be sexually deprived* couldn't be more grotesquely laughable.

He does note that some "cultural" practices are for "chastity", but that was way back in his reams of crap, and I doubt many casual readers would even see the ludicrous contradictions there.

That this creep manages to masquerade as an *opponent* of FGM could not be more ridiculous, and just goes to show how eager many Infidels are to believe Islamic whitewash.

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