Church ignores MPAC's Muslim Brotherhood ties, hosts MPAC's conference

No examples of this vile hate mail are published here, and so we cannot get a true taste of this horrifying "Islamophobia." But one thing is glaringly omitted from this Los Angeles Times hate piece on "hate mongerers": does the Muslim Public Affairs Council really have ties to the Muslim Brotherhood? And if so, should All Saints church really be hosting this group?

Meanwhile, all this pious posturing about hate mail is ridiculous. MPAC, the church and the Los Angeles Times are trying to use the hate mail to deflect attention away from the Muslim Brotherhood question and to portray themselves as victims who own the moral high ground. But receiving hate mail doesn't give one the moral high ground. And if they want to play that game, here is plenty of hate mail. I am sure that I have received much, much more than any of the people quoted below will ever receive. There are idiots and louts on both sides of this issue, but the really lethal ones are overwhelmingly on the Islamic supremacist side, contrary to the media mythmaking about "right-wing yahoos."

"Despite hate mail, Pasadena church will host Muslim event," from the Los Angeles Times, December 6 (thanks to Darcy):

Despite receiving a slew of hate mail, All Saints Church in Pasadena is moving forward with a conference hosted by the Muslim Public Affairs Council -- the first time the organization has conducted an event at a Christian church.

All Saints Rev. Ed Bacon described the emails his congregation received as “some of the most vile, mean-spirited emails I’ve ever read in my life.”

Will the Rev. Bacon change his name so as not to appear "Islamophobic"?

“When we scheduled this event we had absolutely no anticipation that we would have this kind of response,” Bacon said, adding that none of the emails made actual threats.

Salam al-Marayati, president of Los Angeles-based MPAC, said his organization is working with the Department of Homeland Security, FBI and local authorities to ensure the Dec. 15 event is safe. The event is expected to discuss the state of the American Muslim community.

“The hate-mongerers have made our convention relevant so we saved on our marketing budget, so some of the money was transferred to extra security,” al-Marayati said, half-jokingly. “We are taking extra precautions, but at this point there is no threat to the convention.”

Church officials believe the hate mail was prompted by an article posted by Washington D.C.-based Institute on Religion and Democracy. The piece alludes to connections between MPAC and the Muslim Brotherhood.

“Yet again, the Islamists are taking advantage of naïve Christians with a desire to show off their tolerance,” said Ryan Mauro, a writer for the Institute on Religion and Democracy.

Institute President Mark Tooley, said the piece didn’t call for people to send hate mail, adding that MPAC hasn’t denied any of the article's points and instead only offered a broad response.

“I think it’s wrong for people to send nasty emails to anybody,” Tooley said. “For the couple of nasty emails they received, to portray themselves as victims, is somewhat of an exaggeration.”

Indeed!

The tone and candor of the emails is what caught the church's attention, said Susan Russell, senior associate at All Saints Church.

“So dripping with vitriol and the worst possible demonization of people of other faiths,” Russell said. “What they offered us was basically a window into the ugly underbelly of Islamaphobia.”

Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Burbank) commended All Saints Church and the Muslim Public Affairs Council for hosting the convention and bridging interfaith understanding.

“I was deeply distressed to learn of the hateful and vitriolic messages that the church has received,” Schiff said in a statement. “Yet, these odious emails will only increase our determination to fight bigotry and increase understanding.”

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" ... to fight bigotry and increase understanding ..."

not to forget: tolerating the intolerable; loosing integrity through compromise; conveying the impression that the brothers are trustworthy, even though all saints, to them, must be of the umma - or else.

The Rev Bacon is an uninformed idiot. But rather than expose him he should be written to (politely of course).

If you were to send me his email (to my email) I will do so.

But please note there are equally thumping idiots over here too who will send abusive emails to him which he will ignore and raise his martyr index. So a reasoned an polite email from me might persuade him not to indulge in this idiocy.

Rep. Adam Schiff: How do you propose to bridge the understanding between the 2 faiths?

Do you think ALL Saints Church will draw its knowledge and understanding about Islam from the MPAC representatives who will undoubtedly make every effort to practice their dawah through the use of taquiya and kitman as they always do on the unsuspecting church members.

The All Saints Church would be much better served to listen to those of us who understand, read and study about the underpinnings of what drives Islam then listening to those who have prescribed to themselves the teachings of Islam.

There are deadly serious conflicts between the teachings of Christianity and Islam that play out everyday across the planet and you will be much better served if you encourage your Church adherents to study these differences.

Found it - ebacon@allsaints-pas.org

Found it - ebacon@allsaints-pas.org

“So dripping with vitriol and the worst possible demonization of people of other faiths,” Russell said. “What they offered us was basically a window into the ugly underbelly of Islamaphobia.”

So what are you saying here Russell? That somehow the tenants of Islam do not project such hate against the infidel,the kaffir, the Jew, the non Muslim? If so, you are both extremely naive of Islamic practices, and what is going on around the rest of the World in nearly 50 countries everyday from Nigeria,Somalia,the Philippines,Mali,Egypt,Tunesia,Libya,Iran,Iraq,Afghanistan,Pakistan,and even the EU Countries are struggling with the aggressive insurgents of the aggressive nature of Islamic practices, and yet somehow you are not seeing this as it plays out daily.

"our determination to fight bigotry and increase understanding"

I am all for fighting bigotry, the cursing of non-Muslims in the Quran, calling them the worst of creatures, threatening them with eternal torture in hell, calling for the killing of those that insult or criticise Islam or Muhammad, calling for the killing of homosexuals and the discrimination of women:

Quran 33:57-61 - ""Lo! those who malign Allah and His messenger, Allah hath cursed them in this world and the Hereafter, and hath prepared for them the doom of the disdained.. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."

3:110 "Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book [Christians and Jews] had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."

98:6 "Lo! those who disbelieve, among the People of the Scripture [Christians and Jews] and the idolaters [Hindus, Buddhists etc], will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings."

I'm all for the increased understanding of Islam as a cult that promotes hate and violence and mandates its followers to violently establish its retrograde and barbaric laws.

"our determination to fight bigotry and increase understanding"

I am all for fighting bigotry, the cursing of non-Muslims in the Quran, calling them the worst of creatures, threatening them with eternal torture in hell, calling for the killing of those that insult or criticise Islam or Muhammad, calling for the killing of homosexuals and the discrimination of women:

Quran 33:57-61 - ""Lo! those who malign Allah and His messenger, Allah hath cursed them in this world and the Hereafter, and hath prepared for them the doom of the disdained.. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."

3:110 "Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book [Christians and Jews] had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."

98:6 "Lo! those who disbelieve, among the People of the Scripture [Christians and Jews] and the idolaters [Hindus, Buddhists etc], will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings."

I'm all for the increased understanding of Islam as a cult that promotes hate and violence and mandates its followers to violently establish its retrograde and barbaric laws.

Sombody should send him a Qur'an, and tell him to STUDY that.

Nothing else would help more.

I sent the following email to Reverend Bacon,keeping it very respectfully simple and with one main point.

Dear Reverend Bacon:

It is my hope that you will encourage your congregation to independently study the Tenants of Islam found in the Islamic trilogy, primarily the Koran itself.

You would do a serious injustice to your congregation if you allow MPAC representatives to practice the art of taquiya and kitman on your unsuspecting congregation.

The nature of Islamic teachings is in comparatively stark contrast to Christian teachings and our values, especially under sharia law.

I cannot speak for those who have already written you of what you might have perceived as hate emails, but all I am asking is that you look carefully at the 114 surahs within the Koran or Qu'ran.

The many alas (versus) in the Koran call Muslims to what is called the duty of Jihad which deals mostly with warfare against the infidel, that is you and me. Mohamed has commanded them to do this,he has precsribed this for them and it plays out in numerous countries around the planet everyday.

Please read about Islam independently from the advent of MPAC dawah practices

Regards

Mackie .

I just mailed Rev Bacon with some hate mail : ''Rev, you give pork products a bad name.''

"... none of the emails made actual threats ..."

No, they maybe only drew attention to the bigoted supremacist claims of the Quran, the animosity towards the unbeliever and the perverse predictions concerning his fate.
But very likely this is considered hate mail in some circles whose motives have become more than suspect.

Actually this email should go out to him for his health sake. there may be a very good chance that he might have a brain tumor which he needs to to a DR right away.
M

Robert Spencer should send the Rev Bacon some samples of the hate mail he has received from Muslims and ask him to decide where the real bigotry and hatred comes from.

I'm sure Bacon simply doesn't know.

"... none of the emails made actual threats ..."
No, they maybe only drew attention to the bigoted supremacist claims of the Quran, the animosity towards the unbeliever and the perverse predictions concerning his fate. But very likely this is considered hate mail in some circles whose motives have become more than suspect.

Exactly Steffen. I personally have encountered so many situations where uninformed or wishfully thinking non-Muslims consider any factual discussion of Islam’s tenets to be “hateful,” that until they publish these allegedly “hateful” emails, I must remain skeptical.

Perhaps Rev Bacon needs to be sent four little booklets from the Barnabas Fund, to wit: 'What is Islam?', 'Islam and Slavery', 'Islam and Truth' (contains discussion of taqiyya and other Islamic techniques of deception), and 'What is Shari'a?' (which includes a simple analysis of 'five main areas in which shari'a is incompatible with human rights'). The tone is cool, detached, clinically scholarly. 'Just the facts, ma'am'. The reader is left to draw his or her own conclusions (and there are references provided for further reading).

And just for Rev Bacon, since the Muslims will have told him, in their usual sly doublespeak way, that 'we love Jesus', the latest Barnabas booklet is called 'Is the Muslim 'Isa' the Biblical Jesus?' and discusses the special Islamic foe-fic rewrite of Jesus. Note: the conclusion to the question on that booklet's title is a resounding NO; 'Isa' is NOT 'Jesus'.

These Barnabas Fund booklets cost exactly one Australian dollar each.

All of us could do worse than stock up; then when someone like Rev Bacon comes to our attention, we have them all ready to send.


Here's the link where one can buy them online (just scroll down the list - Barnabas puts out quite a few other excellent books, but these little booklets/ pamphlets are their best product, and I will emphasise that although Barnabas is a Christian outfit, the info booklets do NOT include any proselytising for Christianity. One could give these booklets to persons of any non-Islamic faith, or of no faith, to provide them with a basic briefing on Islam that would allow them to recognise that it is dangerous.

http://www.barnabasfund.org/AU/Act/Order-free-resources/Print-and-media-resources/?&page=barnabasbooks&first=no&pages=all

You can pre-read the whole of the Barnabas booklet on 'Islam and Truth' here:

http://barnabasfund.org/_images_files/content/resourcePDFs/Islam-and-Truth_booklet.pdf

I think Rev Bacon and his congregation could definitely benefit from having this item in their parish library...

“So dripping with vitriol and the worst possible demonization of people of other faiths,” Russell said. “What they offered us was basically a window into the ugly underbelly of Islamaphobia.”

Susan Russell is not merely a "senior associate" at the All Saints Church -- she is a reverend there, and a "canon".

She also seems to be the voice of LGBT "progress" in the Episcopal church; and, as this photo and its butch haircut bears out, this may go beyond a general position of public morals into the realm of private identity:

http://www.hrc.org/blog/entry/episcopal-church-continues-lgbt-advances

All of which I bring up to suggest that Mzzzz. Russell's "Phodar" (detection of various incorrect phobies, such as Islamophobia and homophobia) may be set way too sensitivily high, so that from her description of the "hate mail" as "dripping with vitriol and the worst possible demonization", it's likely she is exaggerating and construing formulations that assertively point out the evil and injustice of Islamic sharia as being, ipso facto, "dripping with vitriol and the worst possible demonization".

My apologies: at present they seem to have their booklet on 'Isa' and their booklet on 'Islam and Truth' available, but not the others I listed - Islam and Slavery, What is Shari'a?, and What is Islam.

Presumably they're sold out at the moment..which is a good thing.

But one could always ring or email and express interest in those items; I certainly hope they will be printing more!

Mackie, good letter, but remember that we are not fighting against the tenants of Islam, nor its landlords, but its tenets.

Rumor has it that Rev. Ed Bacon is changing his name to Eid Bakhan, so as not to give offense to Moslems.

I am willing to put my wager on this that MPAC and the Muslim Brotherhood are the factories for manufacturing those hate filled email, at least 80% of them, to Rev.

I am willing to put my wager on this that MPAC and the Muslim Brotherhood are the factories for manufacturing those hate filled emails, at least 80% of them, to Rev.

“So dripping with vitriol and the worst possible demonization of people of other faiths,”

ugly underbelly of Islamaphobia.

hate-mongerers

fight bigotry and increase understanding.

Sounds a lot like a CAIR infomercial...

Just for the record, in my mildly OCD way: I misspelled "phobias" as "phobies", and "sensitively" as "sensitivily". Those were typos as opposed to errors; in the sense that the former means an accidental slip of the pen (lapsus calami) where the writer knows the correct spelling, but just makes a boo-boo. The latter would be where the writer actually thinks his misspelling is correct.

As usual LemomLime, you spotted waldo before anyone else.


Canon "Rev" Russell's errant take on what Christianity is all about does not hold water even to those who are minimally literate in the Holy scriptures much less to a learned seminarian. This Rev. Perv. is a fraud, she has transgressed very seriously the faith she assumes to uphold.. She is a natural member of the alliance to whom also the likes of Rosie O and Glen Greenwald, editor of salon, Bradley Manning, recent traitor to the US army and the US belong to. All these individuals seem to be blinded by their desire to have all society applaud their particular unnatural lust while they forcibly parade it all over our faces. They are obsessed with dignifying what to most is repugnant and at the very least looked down as queer, quite odd and perplexedly, geometrically incongruent

Furthermore..I've said this before and I'll say it again:

It seems that in America the vast majority of gays are not our allies. They have a tendency to attack anyone who criticizes or resists islam. Gays have furiously run forward amok with their marriage agenda indiscriminately trampling over anything in their path. Something deemed conservative, culturally traditional, is rabidly attacked en mass without regard to nuisance or sensibility. Burn and destroy and then grow amongst the ashes. For their pride they have sold their soul and shut their

shut their.....

a)conscience
b)mind
c)hearts

Answer: All of the above..

Yes Wakingwest, it seems that the homosexuals who are anti-Islam (one can count them on one well-manicured hand: Bruce Bawer, Pym Fortuyn, a couple of civilians I've seen on forums (including one who was quite a supporter of Jihad Watch years ago before tragically dying before his time)...) are the exception that proves the rule -- the rule being that homosexuals are pretty well thoroughly deformed by PC MC, if not the more virulent strain called Leftism, because they are solidly participants of that orbit.

your comment that homosexuals "have furiously run forward amok with their marriage agenda indiscriminately trampling over anything in their path." bulls eye!

"For their pride they have sold their soul...."

bulls eye!

if everyone keeps saying this 40 million more times, maybe the thick culture will catch on.

I see this as "the enemy (Islamists) of MY enemy (traditional Christians) is my friend." I work with a fair number of homosexuals and almost all of them attend some mainline Protestant church where a rainbow sash can be seen hanging on the door. Singing/choir is also very important.

These splintered churches cannot be considered Christian; they reject every tenet of Christian doctrine. Any person formed as a Christian would not embrace what doctrinally is plainly blasphemy. The acceptance of abortion, homosexuality, and euthanasia have become the unholy trinity at these joints. And almost as central is the acceptance of any religion that disagrees in principle with their own.

The screwiest churches in St. Louis, MO routinely partner with the "rainbow synagogue" run by Rabbi Susan Talve. (Google her and you'll see a woman dressed up as a rabbi riding on a gay pride float with a bunch of drag queens.) Talve invited some women to her reform synagogue so they could be ordained Catholic (sic) priests. She is a fervent supporter of Islam, also.

I was once at one of these places for a choir recital as my youngest is a vocalist. I opened their Bible to see a pre-printed sticker plastered inside: "The events in this book are in no way actual but allegorical in nature.." something to that effect.

I am a devout Catholic and I do not hate any of these people. They have twisted several faiths to their own end, and I am sure the Muslims are thrilled to have them doing their bidding. But they hate people like me more than they'll hate hanging from a crane.

Those having the form of godliness while denying its power have struck again.

@Mackie: It's "tenets of Islam", not "tenants of Islam".

@Wakingwest: I've long taken a jaundiced view of the homosexual movement as an "ally" against Jihad, too. The dominating emotion of the EmCeePeeCee movement is hatred of traditional Christianity. Hence, the LGBT movement would rather be raped and murdered by Muslims than gently admonished by Christians.

@CapitalistGig:
As a conservative Presbyterian of Jewish descent who had fond memories of the St. Louis area, I have some observations.

Re "Rabbi" Talve, it used to be said in Di Momma Loshen "Besser a bort ohn a Rav vi a Rav ohn a bort" (Better a beard without a Rabbi than a Rabbi without a beard--originally applied to nagging wives).

And, yes, a lot of us have left the churches that call the Bible mere allegory, hang out rainbow flags, and generally do all the running they can to remain a respectful five paces behind their cultured despisers.

Darcy will never die!

But they hate people like me more than they'll hate hanging from a crane.

You are referring to images like this one from Iran:
Homosexuals hanging from a crane in Iran

Thank's for the Ann Barnhardt link. It had been awhile since I last watched one of her you t videos. Listening to her speak actually
lifed my spirits a bit and has filled me with the optimistic hope that we still have a fighting chance.
If you have not watched her recent one hour video, for you pleasure and edification allow me to return to you the favor:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6Iozyg-xs4&list=HL1354946775&feature=mh_lolz

Thank's for the Ann Barnhardt link. It had been awhile since I last watched one of her you t videos. Listening to her speak actually
lifed my spirits a bit and has filled me with the optimistic hope that we still have a fighting chance.
If you have not watched her recent one hour video, for you pleasure and edification allow me to return to you the favor:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6Iozyg-xs4&list=HL1354946775&feature=mh_lolz

On numerous occasions I have posted links to gay press stories about islamic bigotry. The comments in those publications tend to run decidedly anti-sharia. It is a pity that JW has become a depository for anti-gay screed.

Your stereotypes are lies.

Whoops: I forgot to identify myself. I usually post as skevin, but lately I can only sign in through Yahoo.

I can't speak for the others here, but I'm not anti-homosexual per se, and I believe society should not legally punish homosexuality (however, cultural acceptance vs. ostracism is a dicey difficult issue to adjudicate -- though not at all difficult to Absolutists on both sides of the divide who think they know what's good for the rest of us.)

That said, I am, however, anti-PC MC; and until I see sufficient evidence to indicate otherwise, I will continue to reasonably infer from what I have seen that most homosexuals, culturally, are deformed by PC MC (if not, in many cases, by that worse pathology, Leftism); and that exceptions to this are just that -- exceptions that prove the rule.

P.S.:

There is the added dimension to this subtopic I did not explicitly mention: The problem of Equivalencism (which veers into the Ego Quoque fallacy).

I.e., to put a fine point on it, it's reasonable to suppose (and if trouble were taken, could be verified) that the minority of homosexuals who do bother to publicly criticize (or even, God forbid, actually condemn) Islam for its hostility to the very liberal values homosexuals believe in, do so in an Equivalencist framework whereby Muslim "fundamentalists" are bad, sure, but more or less not much worse than Christian "fundies" -- an absurd and reckless view that serves to reinforce precisely our continuing PC MC myopia about the staggeringly, astronomically, screamingly worse evil and injustice of Islam compared with Christianity.

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