Egyptians narrowly approve Sharia constitution

There will be another round of voting, and so the story isn't quite over yet, and "narrowly" doesn't matter once the dust has settled, but it's noteworthy that even with all the voter intimidation, guilt manipulation and commands to vote yes from the imams, and threats and violence, the Islamic supremacists could only get 56.5% of the vote. Clearly a huge number of Egyptians, and possibly a majority, don't want a Sharia state.

"Egyptians narrowly back Islamist-shaped constitution, say rival camps," by Marwa Awad and Yasmine Saleh for Reuters, December 16 (thanks to Pamela Geller):

(Reuters) - Egyptians voted narrowly in favor of a constitution shaped by Islamists and which opponents said was a recipe for deepening divisions in the nation, officials in rival camps said on Sunday after the first round of a two-stage referendum.

The result based on unofficial tallies, if confirmed for this round and repeated in Saturday's second stage, may give Islamist President Mohamed Mursi limited cause for celebration as it shows the wide rift in Egypt at a time when he needs to build consensus on tough measures to heal a fragile economy.

Official results are not expected till after the next round.

Mursi and his backers say the constitution is vital to move Egypt's democratic transition forward. Opponents say the basic law is too Islamist and tramples on minority rights, including those of Christians who make up 10 percent of the population....

But late on Saturday, as polls were closing, Islamists attacked the offices of the liberal opposition Wafd party newspaper, a party that was part of the National Salvation Front coalition that pushed for a "no" vote.

"The referendum was 56.5 percent for the 'yes' vote," a senior official in the Brotherhood's Freedom and Justice Party operations room set up to monitor voting told Reuters.

The Brotherhood and its party, which propelled Mursi to power in a June election, had representatives at almost all polling stations across the 10 areas, including Cairo, where this round of voting was held.

The official, who asked not to be identified, said the tally was based on counts from more than 99 percent of polling stations in this round.

'VERY CLOSE'

One opposition official also said the vote appeared to have gone in favor of Islamists who backed the constitution, after the opposition had previously said late on Saturday when voting ended that their exit polls indicated the "no" camp would win....

Even a narrow loss could hearten leftists, socialists, Christians and more liberal-minded Muslims who make up the disparate opposition camp, which has been beaten in two elections since Hosni Mubarak was overthrown last year....

Several party buildings belonging to the Muslim Brotherhood's party have been burned by angry protesters....

On Friday, a day before the vote, rival factions armed with clubs, knives and swords fought in the streets of Alexandria. Opposition supporters trapped a Muslim preacher inside his mosque after he called for a "yes" vote.

"The sheikhs (preachers) told us to say 'yes' and I have read the constitution and I liked it," said Adel Imam, 53, as he queued to vote in Cairo on Saturday. "The country will move on."

Echoing the views of many Christians, Michael Nour, a 45-year-old Christian teacher in Alexandria, said: "I voted 'no' to the constitution out of patriotic duty. The constitution does not represent all Egyptians."...

Rights groups reported some abuses, such as polling stations opening late, officials telling people to vote "yes," bribery and intimidation....

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56.5% is a greater proportion than Morsi's share of the vote in the election- so how is it "very close"? I see this will increase next Saturday as the less educated (ignorant) populace outside major cities vote.

Revolution Phase 2 begins soon after; I think we all know what the only solution will be...

56% doesn't cut it. Not even close..If there's even only .5% islame-ist still there,they're fucked..Just like the rest of us..

"Bribery and intimidation" that's obviously not free and fair voting. This is oppression, back to pre stone age. Islam is always backward.

(video) "Allah willing, the text will truly reflect, only by the Islamic shari'a"
- (pre-)President Mursi

http://schnellmann.org/president-mursi-jihad-is-our-path.html


It looks like Egypt is not yet ready for a free society with respect towards education, liberty, and justice for 'all'.

The citizens of Egypt has sent a clear message that it fully intends to step backwards socially. Ending hope for civil rights, womans rights and freedom from the ideology that has kept Islam under fear and dictatorship.

With the approval of sharia Egypt moves away from civil tolorance and deeper into a non-tolorant society and nation. And now the news coming out of Egypt will begin to be less open, less honest, and more violent. Because the sharia must use fear as its greatest educational tool.

I had high hopes that Egypt could step the other way encouraging personnal thought and a new idology of hope, understanding, and kindness towards all of mankind including woman....

voter intimidation and bribery has so far only been reported by groups belonging to the opposition (No campaign.Each polling station is observed by a judge and unless the judiciary proves these allegations to be true they're nothing nothing more than rumors.

I'm actually surprised at the 56% because the first round is or the larger cities, filled with richer people, who have western influence because they may have lived in a western country, have families from the west, watch western films etc. Next week the more working class Egyptians will vote where I expect a greater yes vote. Robert Spencer is very biased though, his face makes me sick.

The fact that so far only 56% want Sharia indicates again how many "Muslims" there are in pretense only. Without the threats & intimidations due to the evil Islamic kill-the-apostate rule there would be no bragging by disgusting apologists about the claimed large number of Muslims in the world.

The rabble rousing imams & Islamic "scholars", of course, are the real evil creatures of the Islamic world.

Do only American dead people vote? Would the MB resort to election fraud?

Well, Egypt hasn't had full blown official sharia, it will be a novel experience for them...

@googler,

' Robert Spencer is very biased though, his face makes me sick. '

He[RS] had made his intentions clear when he started this website a decade ago. the word'bias'is hence irrelevent here.

who asked you to look at his face? dont come/post here if his views sicken you.

Actually, trolls like you make us sick.

Lastly, i wonder whether you are not the one who wanted to lay your hands on his neck?

For those who cite the Prophet Muhammad's hadiths (May Peace and blessings be upon him) on executing apostates, I urge you to read your own bible before pointing your fingers at other. This goes especially for religious Christians like Robert Spencer.

Deuteronomy 13:6-10

6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.

Matthew 5:17-18

Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Matthew 23:1-3

Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 'The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.'

Deuteronomy 12:32

32 See that you do all I command you; do not add to it or take away from it.[a]

By the way for those who don't remember me I'm D

By the way for those who don't remember me I'm D

That's nice dear...But this site is not about the Bible...It is true that years ago some so called Christians got the message wrong, and killed people in 'Gods' name...But that went out of fashion centuries ago...No one does that anymore, not even the 'Church'...Islam on the other hand has never stopped killing people for Allah, and are doing it to this very moment...

In order to improve your inner spiritual struggle jihad, stare at Spencer's picture for five minuets before struggling...It will help you achieve inner purity...

Had El Porko put the DNC in charge of the referendum, he would have been assured of a 99% approval.

Hi D!

You wrote: '..voter intimidation and bribery has so far only been reported by groups belonging to the opposition..'

Well, you wouldn't expect the intimidators and the bribers to fess up, would you? Clown!

And as for your Biblical quotes...We live in secular societies now, in case you haven't noticed. That means that secular law is the primary source of law, not religious law.

And so, your Biblical quotes are totally irrelevant. And to prove it; when was the last time anyone was put to death for giving up their Christian beliefs?

And compare that with barbaric Islam!

You're a clown!

D, those verses from the NT are saying the exact opposite of what you think they are saying. Study hard.

It's no surprise, secular Judeo-Christian Americans voted for a Muslim president.

to D:

as far as i know, no christian alive today gives a damn about Deuteronomy. Old Testament was a bit dodgy, then there was the more civilised New Testament accepted by Jews and Christians. The golden rule espoused by jesus (and found in other cultures but not islam) is the basis of our societies.

has anybody noticed, whenever a muslim is met with criticism, his/her first and often only response is, but how about YOUR religion/culture/country, etc?

what do they mean? nothing islamic can be bad if some non-muslims do the same, especially if they did it a very long time ago? I see, anything bad non-muslims do is actually good and to be emulated. (And anything good non-muslim do is to be rejected or attributed to muhammad).

So DUMB! So stupid, it's extraordinary.

^
You Said:

as far as i know, no christian alive today gives a damn about Deuteronomy. Old Testament was a bit dodgy, then there was the more civilised New Testament accepted by Jews and Christians. The golden rule espoused by jesus (and found in other cultures but not islam) is the basis of our societies.

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I suggest you read these verses again from the New Testament:

Matthew 5:17-18

Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Matthew 23:1-3

Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 'The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.'

By the way why would your loving God, write such "awful and evil laws". Funny how according to people like Spencer God is apparently "an idiot" who needs a bunch of his own creations to "fix" his laws. GTFO!

I'm just showing you guys your double standards, your picking on Islam not because it's evil but because your a bunch of Islamophobic hypocritical low life loners. Tell Spencer to get out of his mum's basement and get a real job. Stop wasting the planet's oxygen supply, you worthless piece of trash.

Knowledge lecture for D...When Christians act up, it is in spite of Christianity, not because of it...When Mahoundians act up it is because of Islam, not in spite of it...

I think D must have gone to the mosque for prayers...

Well D, I see your back from morning prayers and corn flakes...I'm happy you are taking my advice and meditating on the image of Spencer...The more you do that, the more inner pure you get...Spencer brings purity...Keep up that inner spiritual struggle jihad, I can see a minor improvement in you already...It must be the will of Allah...

Welcome back, D!

I can recommend the following to assist you in understanding that decent civilised, intelligent people (as on this site) are fully aware of Muslim ignorance, lies and deception-

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Propaganda

Very educational; you should read all of section 5 and sections 6.4 and 6.5

Hi D! D for Deceitful, eh!

Jesus said that many false prophets would come after him. So, Mohammed's claim to be a 'messenger' and a true prophet seems to have been contradicted 600 years before he was even born.

Your self-styled prophet was a fake!

You're a clown!

By the way D....

If you use The Bible to back up your arguments, I guess you must accept it all, right? So, when The Bible says:
'Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.' King James Bible (Cambridge ed)

So, according to The Bible, Mohammed was the anti-Christ. You'd better ditch Islam double-quick, D. It's clearly Satanic!

You're a clown!

Meanwhile, even PCpoliteBBC is noticing the exodus of Christianity from the Middle East, with Egyptian Copts the last stronghold in a malevolent sea of Islam: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20742256

How long before Christianity goes extinct at the hand of dying Islam? Looks like they will take them down with them. Islam is death on wheels.

"By the way for those who don't remember me I'm D "

D?

Good you are back as it gives me chance to tell you that I've figured out what the letter "D" stands for.

On Sundays, Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays it stands for:
"My prophet muhammed was a murderous, sadistic, sexually perverted PIG"!

On Fridays, Mondays and Wednesdays it stands for:
"Islam is a pile of shit"

Elementary!

What? You can't see the connection? Well, everybody else on the thread does.
Obviously, you must be a moron...

Hi D

I have just read the verses you have quoted from The Bible. Deutronomy is part of the Torah and in the Old Testament God engaged directly with the Jewish people when HE was calling them out to be HIS people. HIS symbol on earth. They still are today, you must ask yourself how have they survived and yet they are few??They have turned the desert into a vibrant place. All will be revealed. On the other hand, by the Deutronomy verse you have quoted, muhammed as well as his followers should have been killed because they were not calling people to worship the true God but muhammed's own vile vanity thank God, HE is not expecting us to kill people for HIM. By the koran standards only Jesus was without sin, while muhammed was asked to ask for forgiveness for his sins quran 40:55.48:2 etc. Ditch muhammed and embrace JESUS

I've always assumed that at some point in my life I would go to Egypt to see the monuments and art I have loved so much. After all, Luxor and the Pyramids aren't going anywhere, I thought. But now, who knows?

"I had high hopes that Egypt could step the other way encouraging personnal thought and a new idology of hope, understanding, and kindness towards all of mankind including woman.... "

What were your high hopes based on?

I would rather go to toilet than to go to Egypt.

"The fact that so far only 56% want Sharia indicates again how many "Muslims" there are in pretense only. "

This was not a vote on sharia -- it was a vote on Morsi. Just because about 30% of Egyptian Muslims don't like Morsi (remember to subtract the non-Muslim voting numbers), this does not mean they do not want sharia.

In fact, polls have shown that upwards of 70-80% of Egyptians want sharia. (10-15% of the remaining who don't want it would be the Egyptian Christians, which do not reflect "the Egyptian People" in terms of an accurate statistics. I.e., you can't inflate the number of "hopeful Egyptians" by pumping up their numbers with Egyptian Christians, beacuse we already know most of them (the non-dhimmis) are going to be anti-sharia.)

How could these polls suddenly magically change so dramatically? It's obvious. This is just typical Muslim in-fighting.

I don't feel sorry for any Muslim country. Let Islamic world all be run by Salafis. Ancient Islamic Caliphates were never 100% sharia; they were secularists in practice, and had Christians run their administrations, although Muslims will deny vehemently. Islam could never have the ability to govern other than rule by terror. Let them go to their own hell.

You, the Muslims twisted and distorted the words of the Bible. The Koran is nothing but crap made up by a bunch of lunatic morons. You can take the term "lunatic" literally, as your bloody Allah is a moon idol. Sharia is the law for mentally retarded mahoundians, but not for people living in the 21st century.

This is what Europeans have to say about it
http://www.facebook.com/groups/242595495075/10152332057365076/?notif_t=group_activity

Alain Wagner is the chairman of ICLA (International Civil Liberties Alliance) Robert knows him. We're all interconnected and we don't want Islam being practised in civilised countries.

"Clearly a huge number of Egyptians, and possibly a majority, don't want a Sharia state."

That's a little bit of good news.

The bad news is that a huge number of egyptians and probably a majority, WANT a sharia state.

Tiny Minority of Extremists (tm) alert.


Egyptians narrowly approve Sharia constitution

There will be another round of voting, and so the story isn't quite over yet, and "narrowly" doesn't matter once the dust has settled, but it's noteworthy that even with all the voter intimidation, guilt manipulation and commands to vote yes from the imams, and threats and violence, the Islamic supremacists could only get 56.5% of the vote. Clearly a huge number of Egyptians, and possibly a majority, don't want a Sharia state.
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Well, yes—and that is somewhat heartening. But will it matter, ultimately? With the "Islamists" in power and Shari'ah the law of the land, I doubt the country's liberals, secularists, and Christians will have much of a say...

And my understanding is that next week's vote will take place in more out-lying areas, so you likely won't have the same number of liberals and secularists that you find more concentrated in the cities such as Cairo and Alexandria, which voted yesterday—do it doesn't look good...

And while religious Muslims can be as devout as they want under a secular constitution, the same does not work the other way around—women, children, secularists, and Christians will start suffering almost immediately under brutal Shari'ah.

But then, Islam—unlike Judaism and Christianity—has *never* been an individualistic creed. The major thrust of the creed has always been to impose Islam on the entire community.

More:

Mursi and his backers say the constitution is vital to move Egypt's democratic transition forward.
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What a sick joke. there is *nothing* deomocratic about Sharia'ah.

More:

Opponents say the basic law is too Islamist and tramples on minority rights, including those of Christians who make up 10 percent of the population....
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That's right—Christians, apostates women, children, minority-sect Muslims, anyone even vaguely resembling a free-thinker...

More:

But late on Saturday, as polls were closing, Islamists attacked the offices of the liberal opposition Wafd party newspaper, a party that was part of the National Salvation Front coalition that pushed for a "no" vote.
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A lovely foretaste of life under Shari'ah...

More:

Rights groups reported some abuses, such as polling stations opening late, officials telling people to vote "yes," bribery and intimidation....
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And more of the same...

"D" for "Dic*head" said:

"Robert Spencer is very biased though, (sic)his face makes me sick."
__________________

Bwahahahahaha!

You do realize what an ignoramus statement that is, right? By linking the two independent clauses incorrectly with a comma, rather than a semi-colon, or hyphen, you are inadvertently creating a false syllogism.

Spencer's face has nothing to do with your perceived "bias". On the other hand, your bias comes screaming through.

Therefore, using deduction, it would be safe to assume that you have an ugly face that makes you sick to look at in the mirror, causing you to associate persons' faces with their ability to reason.

I call RACISM and SPENCERPHOBIA.


Pfft!

https://www.google.com/accounts/o8/id?id=AItOawl7J-xyu71MDSxHk1197TTeKqP2bcFPRfI (Muslim troll "D") wrote:

Robert Spencer is very biased though, his face makes me sick.
.........................

I supposed it is "biased" to come out against Shari'ah—to stand against flogging, amputations for petty theft, and stoning for rape victims.

And I'm sure that anyone who *does* stand for such barbarism *is* disgusted by seeing Robert Spencer's face—the face of a brave, intelligent, and principled man. Really, it must make you very uneasy.

More:

For those who cite the Prophet Muhammad's hadiths (May Peace and blessings be upon him) on executing apostates, I urge you to read your own bible before pointing your fingers at other. This goes especially for religious Christians like Robert Spencer.

Deuteronomy 13:6-10...
.........................

Your implication that Jews and Christians only have a problem with Islam murdering apostates because they have specifically left Islam is grotesque.

Jews and Christians do not murder apostates.

Jews and Christians can freely leave their faiths if they so desire. Not so in Dar-al-Islam, where apostates are regularly threatened, imprisoned, and murdered by ravening Muslim mobs.

On the other hand, perhaps your point is that you believe Jews and Christians *should* be slaughtering apostates, if only they were as devout as homicidal Muslims.

Disgusting.

More:

I'm just showing you guys your double standards, your picking on Islam not because it's evil but because your a bunch of Islamophobic hypocritical low life loners...
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Muslim-think, where anyone standing against savage oppression and blood-letting is "picking" on Islam.

Stoning teen-age rape victims to death is considered a pious act, but criticizing such horror is "picking on Islam". Sick.

More:

By the way for those who don't remember me I'm D
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"D", did you imagine you were missed here? I assure you, no one here was yearning to hear your barbaric vaporings.

One more thing:

Dic*head wrote...

"...your (sic) picking on Islam not because it's evil but because your (sic) a bunch of Islamophobic hypocritical low life loners..."
____________________________________________

Well, Dic*head, I will admit to being a "loner", but a "low-life" and a "hypocrite"?

Actually, I don't take offense to your wild, flinging of insults, but I will remind you that Spencer has a Master's in Comparative Religion - that's far from being a low-life.

I, myself, have a few pieces of paper on the wall, too - does that make me a low-life?

Finally - we're not "picking on Islam". We're picking it apart, because of idiots like you who insist that your religion is peaceful.

20,000 Terrorist attacks by Muslims since 9-11.
______________________________________________

I hardly call that, "picking on".

Pffffffffffffffffft!!!


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