Hamas-linked CAIR applies cosmetics to the concept of jihad

Ahmed_Rehab2.jpgAhmed Rehab: No stranger to cosmetics


Here’s the smell of the blood still. All the perfumes of Arabia will not sweeten this little hand.

And all the perfumes in Ahmed Rehab's purse will not sweeten the concept of jihad. His attempt to take out his lipstick (what's your favorite shade, Ahmed?) and apply it to jihad is foredoomed to failure. It will fail the next time a Muslim commits murder in the name of jihad -- and unfortunately for Rehab's cosmetic efforts, that happens pretty much every day somewhere in the world.

This deceptive campaign was formulated in response to our AFDI ad campaign, which is entirely truthful: Muslims do quote verses of the Qur'an such as 3:151 to justify violence against infidels. The Chicago Sun-Times and the rest of the mainstream media will continue to charge us with "hate," but unfortunately for them as well as for the cosmetic-minded Rehab, reality will keep breaking through.

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"Local Muslim group reclaiming ‘Islam’ with ‘MyJihad’ campaign," by Tina Sfondeles in the Chicago Sun-Times, December 14:

A month after an ultra conservative group plastered controversial “Defeat Jihad” ads on 10 CTA buses and likened Muslims to “savages,” a local Muslim group countered back with a campaign to “reclaim Islam” and educate the country about the true meaning of the word “Jihad.”

In the Chicago Sun-Times, you're "ultraconservative" if you oppose jihad and Sharia. But for the Associated Press, you're "ultraconservative" if you want Sharia and brand its opponents "followers of infidels."

Note also Tina Sfondeles's flagrant dishonesty: our AFDI "Defeat Jihad" ad didn't liken Muslims to savages. The ad read: "In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Support Israel. Defeat jihad." Thus the "savages" are those who pursue jihad attacks against Israeli civilians. By equating those who are undeniably savages with all Muslims, Sfondeles is painting all Muslims with a broad brush and committing "Islamophobia," no?

Through CTA bus and train ads and a social media campaign on Twitter, Facebook and YouTube, participants are being asked to express what their Jihad is with the hashtag #MyJihad.

By Friday morning, more than 3,000 users had “liked” the campaign’s Facebook page. And on Twitter, thousands have posted what their “struggle” or Jihad is.

“#myjihad Is to have the serenity to accept things I can’t change. The courage to change the things I can, & the wisdom to know the difference,” a man in Saudi Arabia Tweeted.

Ahmed Rehab, executive director of CAIR-Chicago, and creator of the campaign, said the goal is to explain the very misunderstood and sometimes seemingly controversial concept of Jihad.

“Jihad in Islam simply means the struggle to a better place,” Rehab said. “Whatever barrier or burdens that you have in your life, you are asked, you are tasked to muster in the inner courage, the inner resolve, the inner determination to overcome those personal barriers, personal issues.”

He said the word has been misconstrued by Muslim and anti-Muslim extremists and it’s time to re-educate the public about Islam and its concepts. Often the term “Jihad” is associated with violence and those waging “holy war.”

“The only two things that God judges you by in the tradition of Islam are the two things that you control, your intentions and your effort,” Rehab said. “Your intention being sincere and your effort being for the best. That effort is Jihad.”

Naperville mom Angie Emara is featured in one of the ads with her children. She said her Jihad is getting over the loss of her son, and also raising another son with special needs.

“For me it’s personal. I don’t want my kids to grow up in an environment where they’re immediately rendered suspect for nothing of their doing,” Emara said. “...My Jihad is an ongoing struggle…My Jihad is to hold back the tears when I see my son live past Adam’s years and do things he never could. My Jihad is to push forward past the grief, past the second guessing.”

CAIR-Chicago’s campaign, in part, was spurred by the anti-Muslim ads that turned up on CTA buses last month. The ads, financed by conservative blogger Pamela Geller and her organization American Freedom Defense Initiative, have caused controversy — and some legal challenges — in Detroit, New York City and Washington D.C.

“In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Support Israel. Defeat jihad,” the ad reads.

The #MyJihad effort is staffed by CAIR volunteers, and the group paid for the CTA ads. But part of the campaign is aimed at seeking sponsors. For $500, a group can sponsor a bus. The group’s goal is to have enough sponsors so that the campaign can reach New York, Washington D.C., San Francisco, Seattle and Houston.

The four schools of Sunni Muslim jurisprudence are clear about jihad:

Shafi'i school: A Shafi'i manual of Islamic law that was certified in 1991 by the clerics at Al-Azhar University, one of the leading authorities in the Islamic world, as a reliable guide to Sunni orthodoxy, stipulates about jihad that “the caliph makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians...until they become Muslim or pay the non-Muslim poll tax.” It adds a comment by Sheikh Nuh ‘Ali Salman, a Jordanian expert on Islamic jurisprudence: the caliph wages this war only “provided that he has first invited [Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians] to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to enter the social order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax (jizya)...while remaining in their ancestral religions.” ('Umdat al-Salik, o9.8).

Of course, there is no caliph today, and hence the oft-repeated claim that Osama et al are waging jihad illegitimately, as no state authority has authorized their jihad. But they explain their actions in terms of defensive jihad, which needs no state authority to call it, and becomes "obligatory for everyone" ('Umdat al-Salik, o9.3) if a Muslim land is attacked. The end of the defensive jihad, however, is not peaceful coexistence with non-Muslims as equals: 'Umdat al-Salik specifies that the warfare against non-Muslims must continue until "the final descent of Jesus." After that, "nothing but Islam will be accepted from them, for taking the poll tax is only effective until Jesus' descent" (o9.8).

Hanafi school: A Hanafi manual of Islamic law repeats the same injunctions. It insists that people must be called to embrace Islam before being fought, “because the Prophet so instructed his commanders, directing them to call the infidels to the faith.” It emphasizes that jihad must not be waged for economic gain, but solely for religious reasons: from the call to Islam “the people will hence perceive that they are attacked for the sake of religion, and not for the sake of taking their property, or making slaves of their children, and on this consideration it is possible that they may be induced to agree to the call, in order to save themselves from the troubles of war.”

However, “if the infidels, upon receiving the call, neither consent to it nor agree to pay capitation tax [jizya], it is then incumbent on the Muslims to call upon God for assistance, and to make war upon them, because God is the assistant of those who serve Him, and the destroyer of His enemies, the infidels, and it is necessary to implore His aid upon every occasion; the Prophet, moreover, commands us so to do.” (Al-Hidayah, II.140)

Maliki school: Ibn Khaldun (1332-1406), a pioneering historian and philosopher, was also a Maliki legal theorist. In his renowned Muqaddimah, the first work of historical theory, he notes that “in the Muslim community, the holy war is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and (the obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force.” In Islam, the person in charge of religious affairs is concerned with “power politics,” because Islam is “under obligation to gain power over other nations.”

Hanbali school: The great medieval theorist of what is commonly known today as radical or fundamentalist Islam, Ibn Taymiyya (Taqi al-Din Ahmad Ibn Taymiyya, 1263-1328), was a Hanbali jurist. He directed that “since lawful warfare is essentially jihad and since its aim is that the religion is God’s entirely and God’s word is uppermost, therefore according to all Muslims, those who stand in the way of this aim must be fought.”

Majid Khadduri was an Iraqi scholar of Islamic law of international renown. In his book War and Peace in the Law of Islam, which was published in 1955 and remains one of the most lucid and illuminating works on the subject, Khadduri says this about jihad:

The state which is regarded as the instrument for universalizing a certain religion must perforce be an ever expanding state. The Islamic state, whose principal function was to put God's law into practice, sought to establish Islam as the dominant reigning ideology over the entire world....The jihad was therefore employed as an instrument for both the universalization of religion and the establishment of an imperial world state. (P. 51)

Imran Ahsan Khan Nyazee, Assistant Professor on the Faculty of Shari'ah and Law of the International Islamic University in Islamabad. In his 1994 book The Methodology of Ijtihad, he quotes the twelfth century Maliki jurist Ibn Rushd: "Muslim jurists agreed that the purpose of fighting with the People of the Book...is one of two things: it is either their conversion to Islam or the payment of jizyah." Nyazee concludes: "This leaves no doubt that the primary goal of the Muslim community, in the eyes of its jurists, is to spread the word of Allah through jihad, and the option of poll-tax [jizya] is to be exercised only after subjugation" of non-Muslims.

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There sure are a lot of misunderstanders...The rest of them just lie, by omission or4 out right...

All that sweetness and light is blue smoke and mirrors to cover for the evil of Islam...

"#MyJihad is to try be as positive as I can in a world of uncertainty. See, @rummanahussain. I take this seriously.": Tina Sfondeles

https://twitter.com/TinaSfon/status/279710665625702400

The use of the term, 'anti-Muslim' is intended to make perceived insults personal, rather than intellectual or academic...Using those terms is a deliberate attempt by the craven dhimmi authors to flame the passions of Mahoundians...

Who of sense should give a damn if jihad some of the time is essentially harmless? Much of the time it is far from harmless and this is what is key. Something which is rotten only some of the time is still rotten.

“#myjihad Is to have the serenity to accept things I can’t change. The courage to change the things I can, & the wisdom to know the difference,” a man in Saudi Arabia Tweeted.

Man in Saudi Arabia must be an alcoholic. He has blasphemed the Alcoholics Anonymous prayer, unless he's a Christian, of course.

It's even worse than that, Wellington. The ostensibly benign and/or innocuous manifestations of jihad provide candy-coating cover for the dangerously venomous nougaty center of jihad; and this function is -- unwittingly and witlessly -- aided and abetted by Western PC MC.

Meryl Petkoff and Dsinc,

I don't understand Twitter and Tweets (I don't do either): How can one tell who actually "tweeted" that statement you quoted? To me, it looks like Tina Sfondeles herself wrote that, and thus she would be a Muslim herself?

Yet another example of Taqiyya form CAIR

Typo- 'from'

I very much appreciate the reprinting of what the four schools of Sunni Islam say about jihad. When discussing this and similar subject material with a friend, he mentioned that the Shiites do not adhere to the same source material as do the Sunnis. I'm not entirely certain how true that statement is (something about the Hadith not being canonical in Shiite Islam?) but I bloody well know that jihad is just as mandatory there as in Sunni Islam. We see enough evidence of that. My question is, in addition to the Sunni statements in this article, does anyone here have sources for what Shiite Islam (or any other branch of Islam) says about jihad?

DSH

I essentially agree with you, LL. It's just that COMPARATIVELY lethal jihad is even worse (especially for non-Muslims who are maimed or killed) than non-lethal jihad, but jihad, whether lethal or not, still is promotive of an ideology which is, quite simply, evil.

dsh,

This doesn't answer your question, but Sunnis are about 85% of Muslims worldwide. Also:

Bernard Lewis, eminent historian of Islam and the Middle East, says that in Islam's core texts, uses of the word "jihad" are military in meaning in the overwhelming majority of cases

He writes on page 72 of his book The Political Language of Islam, that

...the overwhelming majority of classical theologians, jurists, and traditionalists [Muslim specialists in the Qur'an, hadiths, life of Muhammad, and Islamic law] ... understood the obligation of jihad in a military sense.
Lewis also writes, on page 31 of his book The Crisis of Islam, that
For most of the fourteen centuries of recorded Muslim history, jihad was most commonly interpreted to mean armed struggle for the defense or advancement of Muslim power.

-- Quoting Islam

The Center for the Study of Political Islam reports that over 98% of jihad hadiths refer to military jihad.

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dsh,

This is a problem that I’ve been frustrated by in my studies of this subject also. While the main Sunni hadiths are readily available in English (and, as others have mentioned, Sunnis make up the vast majority of Muslims – about 90%), the Shiite hadiths I can’t seem to find available in English. Obviously both Sunnis and Shiites see jihad, taken literally, rather than metaphorically, as military warfare, since both are reading the same Quran. But as a studier of these things, one of the source materials that I wish I could find available in English is the Shiite hadiths. If nothing else, purely as a curiosity. If anyone knows where I can find the Shiite hadiths in English, please let me know.

So much of the work of anti-jihadist Islam study boils down to the availability of translated material. Raymond, for example, who has these language skills, should simply translate these materials and market them. I’d certainly buy the final products, and I’m sure others would as well. Easy money.

"By equating those who are undeniably savages with all Muslims, Sfondeles is painting all Muslims with a broad brush and committing "Islamophobia," no?"

Well, it's slightly more complicated than that.

Sfondeles is not directly equating the savages with all Muslims; she's implying that the equation exists as a possibility in the mind, which she contextualizes in the framework of dismissing the equation and demonizing those whom she accuses of indulging that equation (viz., Robert Spencer and Pam Geller, among others).

This framework of dismissal and demonization in this regard is, so to speak, one major department within the sociopolitical complex we can call Politically Correct Multi-Culturalism (PC MC).

Among other things, this framework feeds off of the demographic fact that the term "Muslims" designates a group of massively numerous (over a billion), ostensibly diverse, and geographically widespread people all over the globe.

Additionally, it feeds off of the PC MC perspective that tends to perceive Muslims as an ethnic group (or a wonderfully diverse "tapestry" or "mosaic" or "rainbow" of ethnic peoples). For the person afflicted with PC MC, this perception immediately and automatically triggers the defense mechanism which is irrationally hypersensitive to any criticism (let alone condemnation) of ethnic peoples -- while, furthermore (if that wasn't bad enough), this defense mechanism over the past few years has been revamped and super-charged to privilege Muslims over all other ethnic peoples; and so the hypersensivity in this regard has become even more irrational (if that is conceivable).

Closely related to the above is the TMOEWATHI doctrine ("Tiny Minority of Extremists Who Are Trying to Hijack Islam") which, in turn, is logically informed (even if largely incoherently, let alone ignorantly) by the belief that Islam
is mostly okay, if not downright peachy keen.

Also (we're not done yet), there is an important factor operative in this regard -- namely, that the line separating the fanatically dangerous (not to mention fanatically unjust and evil) Muslims from the nice decent upstanding (and wonderfully diverse) Muslims is not a solid immoveable barrier, but is rather porous (to say the least) and functions more like an imaginary Maginot line. While one (even Hesperado) cannot strictly say that "all Muslims are dangerously fanatical" -- if only because of the sheer numbers of over one billion, coupled with the ostensible fact that most of them are not currently exploding or stabbing or threatening anyone -- one cannot, at the same time, coming from the other end of the problem, say with certainty that only a specific x number of Muslims are dangerously fanatical and that the rest -- also specified with certainty -- are harmless. This is so, regardless of whether the dangerous fanatics are a "tiny minority" or a large minority or a slim majority, etc. The unavoidable uncertainty implicit in this factor ruins any effort at stemming the logic that leads to rational prejudice against all Muslims -- though that, of course, doesn't stop the PC MCs from going full steam ahead with it anyway. They never let little things like intellectual honesty or the love of truth get in the way of their far more important propaganda agenda.

Finally, it is apposite to note that this framework used by Sfondeles has a particularly perverse twist to it -- for Spencer has regularly insisted that he is not against all Muslims. Aside from the conclusion one feels compelled to come to in this regard -- namely, that Spencer's insistence seems to be having no useful effect in disabusing all those who think he's a "bigot" -- and aside from the dementia it reveals about PC MC types like Sfondeles, one can't help but notice that she adds insult to injury in her application of the framework to Spencer, by clearly implying that Spencer is not merely in error, but is also a liar, with further overtones of being some kind of mendacious (not to mention dangerous) demagogue.

Hamas-linked CAIR applies cosmetics to the concept of jihad
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I'd say that this is like lipstick on a pig, except that pious Muslim hate pigs almost as much as they hate Infidels learning the truth about Islam before "the believers" have consolidated their power.

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Here’s the smell of the blood still. All the perfumes of Arabia will not sweeten this little hand.
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I love a man who can quote Shakespeare—and with a wry sense of irony, no less. Lady MacBeth was a vicious figure living in a barbaric society—and yet, even she was driven mad by her conscience, something pious Muslims don't appear to have at all.

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It will fail the next time a Muslim commits murder in the name of jihad -- and unfortunately for Rehab's cosmetic efforts, that happens pretty much every day somewhere in the world.
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How can any intelligent Westerner swallow the idea that "Islam is peace" anymore? It was always ludicrous, but now—with well over 20,000 Jihad attacks just since 9/11, it is grimly laughable.

And you don't have to frequent Anti-Jihad sites—just watching the evening news or scanning the front page of any city newspaper tells much of the story.

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This deceptive campaign was formulated in response to our AFDI ad campaign, which is entirely truthful: Muslims do quote verses of the Qur'an such as 3:151 to justify violence against infidels. The Chicago Sun-Times and the rest of the mainstream media will continue to charge us with "hate," but unfortunately for them as well as for the cosmetic-minded Rehab, reality will keep breaking through.
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Well, yes. The only thing CAIR has on its side is the desire of the Western press and much of the Infidel populace to remain in denial.

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"Local Muslim group reclaiming ‘Islam’ with ‘MyJihad’ campaign," by Tina Sfondeles in the Chicago Sun-Times
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Who is Tina Sfondeles? A staff writer for "Islamophobia Today", for one thing:

http://www.islamophobiatoday.com/2011/10/14/muslim-teacher-wins-right-to-perform-hajj/

This publication, which appears to be on-line only, has a link to the ludicrous "Spencer Watch".

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A month after an ultra conservative group plastered controversial “Defeat Jihad” ads on 10 CTA buses and likened Muslims to “savages,” a local Muslim group countered back with a campaign to “reclaim Islam” and educate the country about the true meaning of the word “Jihad.”...

“#myjihad Is to have the serenity to accept things I can’t change. The courage to change the things I can, & the wisdom to know the difference,” a man in Saudi Arabia Tweeted.
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This is hilarious, if true. The Serenity Prayer is a *Western* concept, and has little in common with Islamic inshallah fatalism".

Moreover, while this prayer is widely popular in the West, its origin is rooted in Alcoholics Anonymous, where people with addictions strive to overcome them. In Islam, such unfortunate people are just flogged.

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Ahmed Rehab, executive director of CAIR-Chicago, and creator of the campaign, said the goal is to explain the very misunderstood and sometimes seemingly controversial concept of Jihad.

“Jihad in Islam simply means the struggle to a better place,” Rehab said. “Whatever barrier or burdens that you have in your life, you are asked, you are tasked to muster in the inner courage, the inner resolve, the inner determination to overcome those personal barriers, personal issues.”
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Non-violent references to Jihad in canonical Islamic texts is less than 5%.

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He said the word has been misconstrued by Muslim and anti-Muslim extremists and it’s time to re-educate the public about Islam and its concepts. Often the term “Jihad” is associated with violence and those waging “holy war.”
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Sadly, there seem to be an awful lot of those "Muslim extremists". Also note the grotesque conflation of those who wage violent Jihad with those who have the temerity to point out such a thing. Hence, both Osama bin Laden and Robert Spencer are "extremists".

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“The only two things that God judges you by in the tradition of Islam are the two things that you control, your intentions and your effort,” Rehab said. “Your intention being sincere and your effort being for the best. That effort is Jihad.”
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Of course, Rehab doesn't indicate what these concepts mean in Islam. In that context, the intention to murder Infidels is "sincere", and the effort to impose Shari'ah is "for the best".

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Naperville mom Angie Emara is featured in one of the ads with her children. She said her Jihad is getting over the loss of her son, and also raising another son with special needs.
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You'd think that Emara had lost her son to "Islamophobia". Instead, he died of a rare genetic illness, and was treated by good Infidel doctors.

But to read "MyJihad", you would think the threat to her family was "Islamophobes".

As noted, Jihad is held by all the major schools of Islamic jurisprudence to be violent Jihad for the purpose of imposing Shari'ah.

But, by the outlines of "MyJihad", my own Jihad is to get my Christmas cards mailed out on time, to struggle against studio clutter, and to *oppose Islamic Jihad*.

As Angie Emara says, *no one can say it isn't*.

gravenimage, I too thought Sfondeles was a staff writer for that "Islamophobia" website -- but on closer inspection, they just copy-pasted her report from the Chicago Sun-Times, where she is a staff reporter.

LemonLime wrote:

gravenimage, I too thought Sfondeles was a staff writer for that "Islamophobia" website -- but on closer inspection, they just copy-pasted her report from the Chicago Sun-Times, where she is a staff reporter.
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I believe you are correct, LemonLime—thank you.

Still, Tina Sfondeles—with her glowing writings about Muslim teachers soaking their school districts while taking time off to go on the Hadj, smearing SIOA's anti-violent Jihad ads, and championing this ludicrous Taqiyya-filled "#MyJihad" campaign—is either a Muslim herself, or else a PC/MC useful idiot.

I found a Sunni website that claims to quote a few passages from three major Shia hadith sources -- the Bihaar Al-Anwaar ("Shia Hadith encyclopedia") by Sheikh al-Islam al-Hujah Mula Muhamad baqir al-Majlisi, and the tafsirs of Al-Ayashi and Al-Burhan.

As a Sunni, of course, the guy who wrote the blog is trying to show what "filth" the Shia believe in; but that doesn't necessarily mean his sources are in error about content. Here are some juicy examples he provides:

* "Alhussain Bin Ali Bin Yakteen narrated, i asked [ Imam ] Alhassan Bin Ali about the man doing it to the woman in her anus, he said [Imam] Alhassan it was made lawful in a verse of the Book of Allah, when Prophet Lut said : " Here are my dughters, they are purer for you" [Quran 11:78], and he knew it was not the vagina they sought but the anus"

* "It was narrated that [ Imam ] Ja`far Ibn Muhamad p.b.u.h said : The prophet Muhammad p.b.u.h used to put his face between the breasts of [ his daughter ] Fatima before going to sleep"

* "Ali Ibn Abi Talib said that he once slept with the prophet Muhammad p.b.u.h and his wife Ayesha in one bed, and under one cover, then the prophet woke up to pray, and left them together [ Ali and Ayesha ] in the same bed, under the same cover"

The Romans used to say "Nomen est omen". That applies to our Rehab. That's what he needs. If he goes on rehab and promises to be a good guy, we'll buy him another lipstick, too. Unlike th mahoundians we're generous.

Thanks for the link LL. Telling stuff.

Is it just me, or does this material seem more or less just like Sunni Islam’s brand of perversion? Except with, of course, a heavier aggrandizement of Ali.

This is one of the things that I think people in our society don’t get: Sunnis and Shiites are just splitting hairs. It’s all Islam. It’s all insane. And “filth” (najis) to a Muslim (whether Sunni or Shiite), means anyone who strays from Orthodoxy. We are all najis as far as Muslims are concerned.

"This doesn't answer your question, but Sunnis are about 85% of Muslims worldwide."

Traeh, this I did know, and even if Islam were just Sunni, it would be and is dangerous enough for the rest of us. I do thank you for your info. The context of the conversation I alluded to earlier was that, 'hey the Shias don't agree with this view (of the topic my friend and I were discussing, which I believe was honour killing and related subject matter) therefore how can this be considered typically Islam?' I had quoted what I knew of the Hadith that supported killing, to which my friend replied (rightly or wrongly, I'm not sure) that the Shias did not hold the Hadith to be as canonical as did the Sunnis. The implication, of course, was that the Shias did not in fact hold to honour killing as an Islamic doctrine. I was dumbstruck by this. Not pleasantly, I might add.

Yes, the word 'jihad' is used in the Quran and elsewhere sufficiently often enough in conjunction with warfare and violence that there can be no doubt that these things are part and parcel of the '6th' pillar of the Islamic faith. Maybe the best way to describe jihad is the most violent and direct expression of Islamic doctrine and the confirmation of it: pure hate, pure evil, knowing no bounds of morality, honour, or anything like them.

Figh, I wish had the sources that you are looking for. What I had hoped to see was what Shia authorities, ie Shia Islam's counterparts to the Sunni schools of thought listed above, had to say about what Jihad means. There is no doubt, of course, but to have it encapsulated as Mr. Spencer did above would be most instructional.

What I was hoping for is to be able to prevent this question of differing canonicities from being used to deflect speaking the truth about Islam in any conversations I may have. Not that I have any difficulty believing that jihad is obligatory on all muslims, not just Sunni. We've seen that kind of taqqaya (sp?) here before from muslim contributors, and Mr. Spencer, et al, have ably knocked these so- called 'arguments' down.

DSH

DSH and Fiqh al-Matter, you are right that it is more difficult to find Shi'ite Hadith on-line than it is Sunni collections.

From my experience, I don't believe that is just because Sunnis make up the majority of Muslims in the world—there also doesn't appear to be the same degree of compiling and sorting as you find with canonical collections of Sunni Hadith such as Bukhari and Muslim.

Here's what—from my admittedly limited experience—is one of the main compilations of Shi'ite Hadith:

http://www.al-islam.org/fortyhadith/

Most of these Hadith are rather less gaudy than Sunni Hadiths, and more concerned with bolstering the idea of the importance of the descendants of Muhammed than with anything else.

My guess is that this is because Shi'ites have been an oppressed minority.

But we all know that they behave very much like their vicious Sunni brethren whenever they are in power.

Here's Shia Chat on the question. Some of these links are broken—my guess is that Sunnis regularly shut down these sites when they can. But there are still plenty of links that give you a good idea of what Shi'ites believe.

There are too many individual links to list them all, so I'm just linking to Shia Chat here:

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/38974-shia-hadiths/

Hope this helps.

Ahmed Rehab: cold soul.

Pastor Terry Jones: man with a backbone.

Ahmed Rehab: cold soul.

Pastor Terry Jones: man with a backbone.

CGW, I watched that video a couple of hours ago. I'm no great expert, but my impression is that the writer of the film has based large parts of it on pure invention and speculation, without letting the viewer know that. It seems a very unreliable and deceptive film.

For example, the announcer claims that prior to creating Islam, Muhammad was an organizer of criminal gangs that went out robbing Jews and Christians. I know of no source -- and I'm thinking of anti-Islam or anti-Jihad writers -- who ever made such a claim about Muhammad. To my knowledge, Muhammad did not lead or encourage raids and robberies till long after Islam was born. Such raids had to wait till after Muhammad's move to Medina.

The film seems to mix truth with all kinds of statements that appear to have no basis in any kind of history -- not even in history as seen by someone very critical of Islam. This kind of film arguably just gives the "counter-jihad" movement a reputation as a haven for liars. It should be at least a little hard to find flaws in an Islam-critical work. Flaws shouldn't swing out like big old barn doors and knock you again and again in the head. This film is more like the strawman that Islam-apologists want to attribute to Islam-critics, than it is like a genuine criticism of Muhammad.

Hi Graven,

1) You don’t have “limited experience.” You have been an aggressive studier of these matters for quite some time, and I admire it.

2) I don’t I don’t have time at the moment to read all of what you linked to, but I get most of my books from Islamicbookstore.com, and I always see these ‘forty hadith’ books, and, to tell you the truth, I don’t know what that’s about. Does anyone know what the “forty hadiths” are? Are these kooks referring to the Qudsi hadiths? (Most non-original-source English-language Islam books are pure BS.) I thought there were ‘Four books’ of Shiite hadiths. No?

3) As you know, one of the things that distinguishes Sunnis from Shiites is that whereas Sunnis are 100% monolithic, Shiites are very fragmented. You’ve got Twelver Shiites, Sevener Shiites, Fiver Shiites, etc. And so it would make sense that these pathetic inbred idiots would have a less organized corpus.

But this all underscores the lack of academic (in a Western sense) investigation into this ideology. An ideology that is embraced by one-fifth of the world’s population. This is how dumb our political leadership, news media, and universities are. They know nothing about this subject. No one does . (Save for Robert and a handful of other anti-jihadists.)

There needs to be major research into this idiotic ideology pronto.

Addendum to my 7:30pm comment to CGW above. I suppose it's not impossible -- though it seems unlikely -- that the account given by that film is based on Shia sources that differ with the Sunni account, and since I'm acquainted only with the Sunni account of Muhammad's life, I have perhaps wrongly assumed that the film is being deceptive -- when it may in fact just be based on Shia sources whose contents disagree with the Sunni account and for all I know show Muhammad leading raids prior to the advent of Islam. But I doubt it. Besides, if the film is talking about the Shia Muhammad as distinct from the Sunni one, the film should mention that, or mention the sources used to justify its claims.

I don't think we should "spread the word" on this film. It will harm us more than help us.

Oops, heh, meant to reply to Graven there. Oh well.

Oh, and there should only be one "I don't.." under the second bullet point there. (How did that get by me?)

Traeh,

I don't think we should "spread the word" on this film. It will harm us more than help us.

I would agree with you on this completely. I did watch the video and was stunned by some of the "facts" the narrator/author made.

I would recommend we all just leave this video alone.

Credit Robert Spencer, Jihad Watch writers past and present, and other unwavering voices in compelling unsavory characters like Rehab to have to try to apply cosmetics to the doctrine of Jihad.

Before this site's inception, anyone who may have stumbled upon the topic of Jihad in Islam, was too quickly assuaged by the dishonest rationalization of that preposterously framed "internal individual struggle against ones self in the name of piety and goodness" blather.

Thank you, Robert.

There's a different way of reading the 'jihad as internal struggle' thing.

Think of how a soldier psychs himself up before engaging in physical battle.

I suspect that 'internal struggle' may *really* be about *that*: the process of stifling the voice of conscience, deadening one's inborn human impulses toward empathy, reciprocity, etc., in order to be able to engage in all the horrid deeds that combat jihad requires.

And at a different level, 'internal struggle' may also be taken by us vulgar kuffar as an ironic or sarcastic label for the endless internecine and sectarian strife that racks the Ummah: most notably Sunni vs Shiite, but all the other violence that ensues as a result of the 'I'm more Islamic than you are' dynamic.

'Internal struggle' = 1/ forcing *oneself* to become the conscienceless empathy-free killer that jihad requires one to be and 2/ forcing one's fellow Muslims into ever more perfect conformity with the institutionalised sadism that is Sharia.

Jacques Ellul in his preface on Jihad, written for Bat Yeor's 'The Decline of Eastern Christianity Under Islam', writes, with laconic understatement:

"Since the jihad is not solely an external war, it can break out within the Muslim world itself - and wars among Muslims have been numerous, but always with the same features."

And pursuant to my remarks above, on possible non-benign meanings of 'internal struggle', here is something that a long-ago jihadwatcher called 'mark' posted in this very forum, citing a Muslim writer from 1983.

In the comments to this thread from 2005:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/09/uks-straw-what-clash-of-civilizations.html

..."You shall begin to live once you have killed yourself.
"The "you" in you is none other than Satan in disguise.
"Kill him and you will be saved. Muslims are lucky because they can accomplish this self annihilation in accordance with divine rules.
For Islam has an answer to every imagInable question. All
an individual needs to do is to obey the rules with
out posing questions, without seeking variations.
"
-Sheikh Ragheb Harb, "Islam is the Strongest Religion," 1983, p.22...

Posted by: Mark at September 18, 2005 5:59 PM

(Note: 'Mark' cited this very revealing paragraph as part of a much longer post in which he also provided many other Nasty Muslim Statements).

You can put lipstick on a pig, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a pig.

You know I think this tard is gay. Just come out already Rehab. If you're having trouble with internal struggle, try Exlax or Sennokot. And you better stay away from my Born with It lipstick from Maybelline.

The hadith of “We returned from the minor Jihad to the major Jihad” is fabricated. It hasn’t been narrated by any of the scholars of hadith.

Ibn Taymiyah states: The hadith of “We returned from the minor Jihad to the major Jihad” is fabricated and is not narrated by any of the scholars who have knowledge of the words of Rasulullah, his actions and his Jihad against the nonbelievers. In fact Jihad against Kufar is among the greatest of deeds. Indeed it is the greatest voluntary deed a human could do.

Amr bin Absah narrates:
A man said O Messenger of Allah what is Islam?
He said, “Islam is the submission of your heart, and that the Muslims are safe from your tongue and your hands”
He said: “What is the best of Islam?”
The Messenger of Allah said, “Iman (Faith)”
He said what is faith?
The Messenger of Allah replied, “To believe in Allah, His angels, His books, His Messengers, and the resurrection after death”
He said, “What is the best of Iman?”
The Messenger of Allah said, “Hijrah”
He said what is hijrah?
The Messenger of Allah said, “To leave sins behind”
He said, “What is the best of hijrah?”
The Messenger of Allah said, “Jihad” He said what is the best of jihad? The Messenger of Allah said, “the one whose horse is killed and his blood is spilled”

As for Shia,'t Jihad is the sixth pillar of islam

And the film, it is Firasat,s own interpretation. interesting to note that he goes out of his way to make false claims about mohammed, especially portraying Ashia as pregnant.

So CGW, so much for Firasat and the truth

Go away, troll. You've stunk up this site enough already.

Thanks so much for your kind words, Fiqh. I really don't consider myself an expert on Shi'ite Islam, though. There seems to be generally much less information available in English than on Sunni Islam—which is no doubt part of the same trouble you're having.

More:

2) I don’t I don’t have time at the moment to read all of what you linked to, but I get most of my books from Islamicbookstore.com, and I always see these ‘forty hadith’ books, and, to tell you the truth, I don’t know what that’s about. Does anyone know what the “forty hadiths” are?
............................

I'm not certain, Fiqh—it almost seems to be some sort of fetishistic Shi'ite numerology.

For instance, here are "Forty Hadiths on Ramadhan":

http://www.balaghah.net/nahj-htm/eng/id/article/61.htm

Most of those listed are so vestigal, they hardly qualify as Hadiths in the Sunni sense.

The same is true of the "Forty Hadiths on the Importance of Hajj:

http://www.shia-azadari.com/madras/page.asp?catid=52&scatid=524

Here's the ever popular "Forty Hadiths by Imam Khomeini:

http://khatoons.com/books/shia-books/forty-hadiths-by-imam-khomeini-hardcover.html

The above is just a link to buy the book.

More:

Are these kooks referring to the Qudsi hadiths?
............................

My understanding of the Qudsi Hadith is that these are considered to be direct quotes of "the Prophet", rather than either second-hand quotes of "Allah", or of lesser figures like Abu Bakr or Aisha.

More:

I thought there were ‘Four books’ of Shiite hadiths. No?
............................

I believe so—but this is specifically Twelver Shi'ism.

All these Hadith are attributed to Ali. This is also true of the Nahj al-Balagha, which is generally rejected by Sunnis.

In addition, most Shi'ites of all sects use the Hadith collections by "the three Muhammads" (no joke).

They are: Kitab al-Kafi by Muhammad ibn Ya'qub al-Kulayni al-Razi (329 AH), Man la yahduruhu al-Faqih by Muhammad ibn Babuya and Al-Tahdhib and Al-Istibsar both by Shaykh Muhammad Tusi.

I'm not sure if these are all available in English translation. Really, I need to do more study here myself.

Gravenimage

perhaps it might be worth looking up two of the books by ex-Muslim Daniel Shayesteh: 'Exodus from Darkness' (about how he came to leave Islam and become a Christian) and 'Islam: the House I Left Behind Me'.

He was born and raised in Iran, and a practising Muslim.

I think that in those books - perhaps especially the second - he may refer to specifically Shiite sources, perhaps even to sources that haven't been translated.

A further thought: there may be Iranian Shiite material translated into *French*, that hasn't been translated into *English*.

Thanks Graven, that’s actually quite helpful and gives me some good threads to try to unwind.

I found this particularly helpful:

it almost seems to be some sort of fetishistic Shi'ite numerology.

That would make sense. I mean, when we start talking about this bizarre numerology stuff practiced by some Muslims, we’re really getting off the grid. In other words, this doesn’t have much to do with the global jihad and what we need to do about it. But I do find it interesting as trivia nonetheless.

Does anyone know how they arrived at the number ‘40’? I know that in Arabic, letters also have a numeric value (kind of like Roman Numerals). Is it tied to that? If anyone knows, chime in.


Ok, nevermind. There’s actually a lot of info about this on the internet. Note to self: always search before posting.

Fiqh, glad I could be of some help.

Hope you are doing well.

Dumbledore's Army wrote:

...perhaps it might be worth looking up two of the books by ex-Muslim Daniel Shayesteh: 'Exodus from Darkness' (about how he came to leave Islam and become a Christian) and 'Islam: the House I Left Behind Me'...
.........................

Thanks, DDA. His work sounds well worth seeking out in general—whether or not it specifically casts light on Shi'ite texts. I've made a note of it.

I'm always inspired by the intelligence and bravery of Muslim apostates.

Again for those who are not aware, I posted this in the CAIR warner that Robert Spencer wrote, and I'll post it here for those who do not know.

Ahmed Rehab has an agenda to promote an Islam that doesn't exist, he is the commenter called 'chameleon' at Loon Watch. There he shows his true colours because he thinks he is anonymous. As CAIR activist and Rahm Emanuel ally, he can't accuse Jews of genes being the guiding factor of who enters Israel, like he does there. He claims jews are race based on genes, and that's who they choose to admit to Israel. This is absolute bullshit. See this link and the comments by ‘chameleon’ here:

http://www.loonwatch.com/2012/12/new-yorkers-counter-terry-jones-hate-message-by-singing-the-beatles-all-you-need-is-love/

Loon Watch has been promoting My Jihad, Ahmed Rehab's site, and he posts there as the poster called 'Chameleon'. He is a rabid Jew hater though he pretends that it is Zionism he abhors. Of course, you can't separate Zionism from Judaism. They deny Zionism and want Israel gone, just like they destroy Christianity in the Middle East, and want Christianity gone.

Islamist Muslims like Salafis and Sheikh Yusuf Qardawi follwers hate Israel because it shows the Quran is false since they claim Israel is Islamic territory because Allah cursed Jews and Christians so they are no longer the ‘chosen’.

But secular Arabs and Muslims embrace nazi memes like Jews are Khazars, and related lies like Zionism is based on genes. These are lies too. Israel has never gene tested Jews to admit them to Israel. Jewish religion determines who is eligible to enter Israel. In fact the Israel authorities won't give Israeli citizenship to a Jew who converts to Christianity or to a convert to Judaism who is reform or conservative. They only accept Orthodox conversions, so the genetically Jewish reform and conservative jews won't be admitted to Zion but a non Jewish gene carrying non Jew who converts will be admitted, thus rendering that lie untrue.

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