Hatred and Violence in the Qur'an Awareness Month: "Travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those who rejected Truth"

bamiyan.jpgOne of the Buddhas of Bamiyan, and the niche where it used to be


Why do some Muslims hate pre-Islamic art with such frenzied intensity that they would destroy it, despite its historical and archaeological value? Why did the Taliban blow up the Buddhas of Bamiyan, and why do some Islamic supremacists in Egypt today want to do the same thing to the Sphinx and the Pyramids?

It isn't just because they are artifacts of a religion that Islam rejects as false and idolatrous, although that is a large part of it. It is also because the Qur'an says that the ruins are a sign of Allah's punishment of those who rejected his truth:

Many were the Ways of Life that have passed away before you: travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those who rejected Truth. (Qur'an 3:137)

This is one of the foundations of the Islamic idea that pre-Islamic civilizations, and non-Islamic civilizations, are all jahiliyya – the society of unbelievers, which is worthless. Obviously this cuts against the idea of archaeological preservation. V. S. Naipaul encountered this attitude in his travels through Muslim countries. For many Muslims, he observed in Among the Believers, “The time before Islam is a time of blackness: that is part of Muslim theology. History has to serve theology.” Naipaul recounted that some Pakistani Muslims, far from valuing the nation’s renowned archaeological site at Mohenjo Daro, saw its ruins as a teaching opportunity for Islam, recommending that Qur’an 3:137 be posted there as a teaching tool.

Their hatred for their own heritage and past was a point of pride for them, inculcated by the Qur'an.

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the Allah god (unknowable; as imagined), supposedly merciful and benificent, is selfish and acquisitive ... even greedy

it cannot share glory with any. the Allah god wants ALL for itself.

it has not praises enough for constant cruelty

it is impotent. the exhortations and threats made to slaves of its expressions as found in the Koran, to accomplish its great amass, produces impoverishment, pain, no happiness

it relishes fear from all. it is the one of folly

no wonder it desires erradication of any who think (who have thought) differently than its expressions as gatherd (some lost, some destroyed)

It's going to be harder to destroy the pyramids than they think...Right now it is a big pile of huge rocks in a certain shape...The most Mahoundians can do is change the shape a little, and they will still have a big pile of rocks...

Their hatred of their own heritage and past was a point of pride for them ...

Sounds a bit like the mind-set of contemporary American "liberals."

Are there any atheists among the readership here?

I've had to endure religion and religionists my whole life, beginning in my boyhood when I was conscripted into a Methodist Sunday school. I didn't believe what they were saying, and I clearly understood that is what they wanted of me. I thought they were persistent tricksters of uncertain motive. It wasn't until my end with them, when I was expunged from the membership, that I realized that they were incurious dupes, maybe victims of wishful thinking, hoping paradise was real and that worshippers would escape death.

If you don't think self-deception is a moral transgression against our species, please closely examine the ideology conveniently depicted within this site. Ignore the partisan rants and blame assessment by the simplified minds that rail against their straw man of choice: The Left. Key in upon the cost of belief, the price of presumptive ignorance.

We, humankind, can either act like we deserve biological survival or that survival will be denied us. Spiritual intervention to save us from ourselves will not happen.

I am. but from where you start saying: If you do not think self..... to the end of your post, I am not understanding it. would you please elaborate a little.
Thank you
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@RS,
i can understand most of the reasons put forward by you for the destruction of non-muslim holy sites/structures. what i could not, is this;

'With the end of the annual Hajj pilgrimage, a new round of demolitions have started in the holy cities of Mecca and Medina, on the pretext of expansion of the sacred shrines, but in reality to build huge western style hotels and shopping malls for fleecing pilgrims of more and more money. The Wahhabi regime, which came to power with British help in the late 1920s and early 1930s, and is now a client of the US, in addition to having secret ties with the Zionists, is notorious for its blasphemous demolition of sacred sites. For instance, in 1925 it sacrilegiously destroyed the holy Jannat al-Baqie Cemetery including the blessed mausoleum where four of the Prophet’s 12 Infallible Successors, repose in peace – that is, Imam Hasan Mojtaba, Imam Zain al-Abedin, Imam Mohammad Baqer and Imam Ja’far Sadeq (peace upon them). The Wahhabis next desecrated and destroyed the sacred Jannat al-Mu'alla Cemetery in Mecca where repose in peace, the Prophet's beloved wife Omm al-Momenin (Mother of True Believers), Hazrat Khadija (peace upon her), the Prophet's uncle and guardian, Hazrat Abu Taleb and the Prophet's grandfather and ancestors (peace upon them). Now according to reports, the Wahhabis have started destroying the house where the Prophet was born and the house where he lived for 25 long years of marital bliss with his wife, Hazrat Khadija (SA). The Bani Hashem locality in Mecca has also been destroyed. In Medina, the Wahhabis are destroying the mosques built by Imam Ali Ibn Abi Taleb (AS)'.

more at

http://english.irib.ir/radioislam/programs/articles/item/84926-saudi-zionist-plot-to-destroy-cultural-heritage-of-muslims

Hi Miriam, I'll try to simplify the text.

If you don't think tricking yourself is a moral 'sin' against our species, please check out the ideology you find on this site. Don't pay any attention to one-sided arguments and simple people blaming others who make false arguments: The Left. Think more about the cost of ignorance, which is a result of believing something wrong.

We humans can either act like we deserve to survive or we won't survive at all. Nothing will save us from ourselves, not even something spiritual.

That's the best I can do! :)


This is particularly tragic because that is a very poor interpretation of the Qur'an. There are other verses where it states that a messenger has been sent to every people; and it regularly validates the works of Biblical prophets, as well as the unnamed ones of other regions.

Are there any atheists among the readership here?

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Several. Most of them are not low-church atheists like yourself, and don't regard smearing believers as of much use.

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I've had to endure religion and religionists my whole life,

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And most people who have passed through current education establishments, have had to endure atheists such as yourself... Very spiteful when anyone disagrees with them.

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If you don't think self-deception is a moral transgression against our species, please closely examine the ideology conveniently depicted within this site. Ignore the partisan rants and blame assessment by the simplified minds that rail against their straw man of choice: The Left. Key in upon the cost of belief, the price of presumptive ignorance.

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A sadly large percentage of the faithful I have met, tend to take their brains of out gear... very low church. On the other hand, practically ALL (but NOT all) atheists are guilty of doing the same. Very low church.... like you.

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We, humankind, can either act like we deserve biological survival or that survival will be denied us. Spiritual intervention to save us from ourselves will not happen.

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Come one, come all, come worship at the church of jake-a-runi....

You are no better than, and are actually considerably worse, than those you attack. By the way, the 'a-runi' label?? I have never heard anyone over the age of seven, use that childish phrase. It suits you.


Since a considerable number of the people who frequent this site are koran-literate (now THERE'S an oxymoron!!!), efforts to try to con us, such as your post, are a complete waste of time.

How on earth was my post a con? I was saying that the people who commit these acts are grossly misinterpreting the Qur'an. Are you saying the information I provided is false or deliberately misleading?

what is the difference between moslems blowing up shrines etc, or some american atheist bellyacking about a CRISTIAN CROSS way out in the mountains that he is trying to force remove, or some "offended" fool complaining about a 60 year old Christmas celebration in Pacific Pallisades that one silly judge puts the "blow up" on?

(i really hope this does NOT post twice. so embarrassed when that happens.)

what is the difference between moslems blowing up shrines etc, or some american atheist bellyacking about a CRISTIAN CROSS way out in the mountains that he is trying to force remove, or some "offended" fool complaining about a 60 year old Christmas celebration in Pacific Pallisades that one silly judge puts the "blow up" on?

(i really hope this does NOT post twice. so embarrassed when that happens.)

The 'information' you provided, about Islam's alleged respect for 'prophets' of other faiths, was indeed false and misleading.

Because what Islam means by 'Ibrahim' and 'Musa' and 'Isa', for example, is NOT what the *Bible* means.

What Muslims 'respect' is *only* their own special Islamic version of these figures.

They have nothing but contempt for the Jesus who is known to Christians through the *Christian* scriptures.

Muslims hold that Jewish and Christian scriptures are different from Muslim scriptures because Jewish and Christian scriptures - which Muslims think were originally identical with Muslim texts - were deliberately *altered* by Jews and Christians to take the form that they have in the TaNaKh and the Christian Bible.

This is, in fact, absolutely nonsensical and no serious scholar of manuscripts and ancient history believes it for one second.

Mark Durie shows that the Muslim "Isa" has nothing important in common with the Jesus whom Christians know and worship and who appears in the Christian texts.

http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/durie/islamic_jesus.html


‘Isa, the Muslim Jesus
By Dr Mark Durie


http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/219405/which-one-god/bat-yeor


Muslims don't respect the Jesus of Christians; they *only* respect their own specially-concocted/ drastically-rewritten Islamic 'Isa', whom Christians find unrecognisable.

(And the same goes for the specially rewritten Muslim versions of figures such as Abraham, Joseph and Moses; not to mention that the Hebrew scripture says plainly that Abraham offered Isaac, whereas the Muslims **rewrite the story** to replace Isaac with Ishmael; a blatant rewrite of the original text, that is not justified by *anything* one finds *anywhere* prior to the rise of Islam.)

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