Muslim leader in Australia: "Reestablishing the Islamic state is eventually going to be a military matter"

"The answer is, as the Prophet said, to fight the infidels until the religion belongs to Allah." He said it. He was quoting Qur'an 8:39. What "moderate" Muslim leader in the U.S. will go to Australia to explain to him how he is misunderstanding Islam? "Australian Islamist Musa Cerantonio: We Must Fight the Infidels by Physical Warfare Until the Caliphate Is Restored," from MEMRI, November 30:

Following are excerpts from a lecture by Australian Islamist Musa Cerantonio, which was posted on the Internet on November 30, 2012:

Musa Cerantonio: Reestablishing the Islamic state is eventually going to be a military matter, and it is a matter that concerns a large part of the Islamic nation. So how do we go about doing this?

[…]

Why is it that they are attacking our lands? It is because they want to stop the people from ruling by the Book of Allah. You find that Al-Shabab in Somalia may Allah grant them victory, stood up and said: No more tribalism. No more socialism. We want Islam. So the Americans bombed their lands.

The same thing in Afghanistan. The Taliban, may Allah grant them victory – they are the heroes of the Islamic nation these days… These are men. They are the men of the Islamic nation today – the Taliban, may Allah grant them victory. You don’t find anyone like them on the face of this earth. Why are the Americans so determined to defeat them, when they have nothing? They have nothing. It is to stop them from ruling by the Book of Allah.

[…]

The advent of Imam Mahdi and the return of the Caliphate is going to be a time of great warfare and tribulation. Every single prophet, from Adam until Muhammad, warned their nation about this time. The greatest strife is going to be at the time that the Antichrist appears on the earth. This is when Imam Mahdi comes. This is going to be when the Caliphate is going to be established. There are going to be caliphs who are going to exist before him, then he will also rule over the Muslims, and Jesus will come. This strife is going to be massive. These are, no doubt, times that are coming upon us. We have to be prepared for this. We have to see what the reality is – that we are going to be fought.

The answer to Palestine is not by holding hands with the Infidels. It’s not by pleading to the U.N. to accept Palestine as a nation. The answer is, as the Prophet said, to fight the infidels until the religion belongs to Allah. The primary goal or strength that we are going to have is in physical warfare. For me and you today, this is not our utmost concern, being in Australia, but no doubt, as a nation, this is what we have to focus on. This is what we have to focus on.

Now we have to know our religion, be prepared for these times, educate ourselves, and prepare, as Allah says: “Prepare against them all you can from strength.” Every strength – unity is strength, knowledge is strength, and steel is strength. “Prepare what you can against them.” This is what we have to do in this nation.

[…]

This isn’t going to come cheap. It’s not going to come easy. It is going to come with our effort, our life, our sweat, and our blood. I ask Allah to grant victory to all of those mujahideen who fight for His cause, to uphold the banner of “There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is His Messenger.”

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Australian Islamist(?) Musa Cerantonio: "We Must Fight the Infidels by Physical Warfare Until the Caliphate Is Restored"

A devout Muslim!

"And fight them until there is no more fitnah and
the religion is ALL for Allah"

Al Anfaal: 39

fitnah i.e. ...[al-Baqarah 2:193]

“And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism, i.e. worshipping others besides Allaah [like Trinity of Christianity], ...

with their camels and swords?
M

Just more evidence that Islam does terrible things to the mind (e.g., creating paranoia and illusions of grandeur) as well as depriving a human being of at least part of their humanity.

Islam is awful. It's just about the most awful thing that has ever happened to mankind. Damn sad.

"The Taliban, may Allah grant them victory – they are the heroes of the Islamic nation these days… "

And the "heroes" are...celebrating!!!

http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2011/05/fly-over-talibans-nest.html

He is Australian? He wants to fight the unbelievers? No shortage of unbelievers in Australia. He is welcome to come to my house. I have dogs (Mohammed hated dogs) and I have a mighty right hook.

'Musa Cerantonio'?

Another Dangerous Convert for my collection.

Just looked him up on google.

He's a piece of work, and no mistake.

I don't know what his Italo-Australian momma and poppa think of his conversion to Islam, but I'd hazard a guess it's not printable.

I'd say deport him, but given that he was born here to non-Muslim parents, that's not really possible; in the future, Exile For The Term of Your Natural Life will probably have to be dusted off and reinstated as a punishment for home-born seditionists and inciters-to-violence like this creep.

Right now, let's just hope that, since he speaks with such enthusiasm of Somalia, he will deport himself, at his own expense, off to some currently-hot theatre of Jihad *within* the dar al Islam. I'd rather he chose Somalia rather than Syria, as in Syria there are many Christians whom this cowardly thug would probably target rather than taking on Assad's army.


Relevant to this occasion.


CONVERTS ARE REQUIRED TO BECOME TRAITORS TO THEIR SOCIETY AND POLITY OF ORIGIN.

EXCERPT FROM A BOOK BY AN AMERICAN CONVERT TO ISLAM.

As shared with us here at jihadwatch by one 'Kamala' in 2009.

Here is the copy of Kamala's posted comment (you won't find it in the archives, it was made during a period when we went to 'Intensedebate' for Comments, and it was a disaster; when we returned to Typepad, all comments made during the Intensedebate era did not 'roll over' along with the articles that had prompted them).


'Jeff Lang is an American Muslim convert. Unlike most Muslims we hear about around here, he's very honest and I believe truthfully working toward a real transformation of Islam into a peaceful ideology. He is accomplishing this in part by steadily analyzing many of the "authentic" hadith and demonstrating that they cannot be true.

'But as Robert has pointed out many times, one can only reform what one admits has a problem, and Lang readily does, in his 1997 book "Even Angels Ask."

'What does Lang have to say about the impact of Islamic jurisprudence?

QUOTE "A minority of Muslims ... believes that we must remain cognizant of the historical context of Muhammad's actions and sayings and that if we are to apply his example correctly, we must be alert to the many differences that exist between his time and ours...

"The main assumption behind the stricter approach [taken by the majority of Muslims - dda] is that the best and most efficient way to derive moral and spiritual benefit from Muhammad's life example is by imitating him as closely as possible." UNQUOTE (p. 104)

'Further:

"Almost all Muslim religious leaders ... uphold the classical dar al Islam/dar al harb concept ...

"**This poses a very difficult personal dilemma for many converts, because it seems to them that to become a Muslim, they are required to become enemies of their own countries** {my emphasis - dda}. (p. 119) UNQUOTE

'And Lang writes of his own experience attending a Muslim lecture at an American mosque in the early 1980s:

QUOTE "The second lecture was given by Hisham, a very bright medical student who had been studying in America for almost two years. I liked and respected Hisham very much...

"Hisham spoke that night about a Muslim's duties and responsibilities...

"His speech was very moving and had been running about an hour when he closed it with the following unexpected and stern remark.

"Finally, we must never forget--and this is extremely important--that as Muslims, we are obligated to desire, and when possible to participate in, the overthrow of any non-Islamic government--anywhere in the world--in order to replace it by an Islamic one."

"Hisham!" I [Lang] interrupted. "Are you implying that Muslim American citizens are to commit themselves to the destruction of the U.S. government?--

"That they are to be a fifth column in America--a secret revolutionary group seeking to overthrow the government?

"Do you mean that when an American converts to Islam he must commit himself to political treason?!"

"I [Jeff Lang] thought that by presenting Hisham with a very extreme scenario, it would force him to soften or qualify his statement.

" He looked down at the floor as he pondered my question momentarily. Then he looked at me with an expression that reminded me of a doctor about to break the news to his patient that his tumor is malignant.

"Yes," he said. "Yes, that's true." (p. 117). UNQUOTE.

Kamala's post ended at that.

In other words: Musa Cerantonio (formerly an Australian citizen of Italian ancestry) having become a Muslim, is now formally renegade and a traitor to - and, indeed, sworn *enemy* of - the Australian non-Muslim polity. His current Australian citizenship and passport are to him merely a temporary and tactical convenience.

He is not my fellow citizen any more.

He is a member of the biggest and oldest and ugliest Gang (and human sacrifice cult) on earth: the Ummah, or Mohammedan Mob.

He is my enemy.

Allah, Qur'an 47:35 "So do not weaken and call for peace while you are superior …"

61:9 “…that He (Muhammad) may make it conqueror of ALL religion however much idolaters may be averse”

2:216 "Prescribed for you is fighting, though it be hateful to you"

Bukhari Book 8, No. 387 "Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.'"


http://schnellmann.org/powerful-nasheed-islam-will-remain-forever.html

First time comment from a lurker -

Well done for exposing our local Jihadist from the Northern Suburbs of Melbourne! One thing I like about Musa is that his views are all out-there. Yes, a very friendly guy and very sincere convert from Catholicism to Sunni Islam...

Mind you, he got completely rolled in a public debate not too long ago on the topic of whether the Qur'an is the Word of God (which of course it clearly isn't).

Recently about 1200 Jihadist sympathizers got together in Melbourne, listened to a free 3hr lecture on the Islamic military conquest of North Africa/Spain, and then stated that Islam is not spread by the sword. What deception, hypocrisy, and cognitive dissonance!

There was a convert who called himself Musa who I used to see around in Footscray, a suburb with many Muslims of different nationalities. But even beside them, he looked a buffoon with his head-to-toe Muslim attire, Palestinian scarf and beard. I wonder if this is him?

Of course, they all sound the same when they're raving. I'm reading about the Mahdi of Sudan; there are many of his letters reproduced in the book. It's all just Koranic cliches with hefty doses of dire warnings. Quite a bit of sarcasm, though: maybe that was his "personality" coming through.

My second go at a comment (first didn't "take):

I used to see a convert to Islam aound in Footscray, a suburb with mant Muslims of different nationalities. But even then he stood out, looking the buffoon with his beard, full Islamic attire and Palestinian scarf. And I too saw him lose a debate. Doesn't seem to put him off though.

They all sound the same, don't they? Just Koranic cliches, one after the other.

I'm reading a book about the Mahdi of Sudan and it contains many of his letters. Just the same stuff, on and on, lifted from the Koran and the odd hadith. Not unlike our Musa, except for quite a bit of sarcasm: perhaps the Mahdi's personality coming through. Also, the Prophet Mohammed used to speak directly to the Mahdi; it used to happen quite a lot...young Musa is not on such an otherworldly plane...

The Islamic paradise the Mahdi brought about was a disappointment, however. Somehow, in all the excitement, the men forgot how to sow, reap and store crops. Whoops...

Sorry about that.
But is it my fault?

Incidentally, Musa has a Facebook site that has this particular video, along with many other posts of black flags waving, AK47s etc etc. He has 5842 'likes'. He's a popular one, which is a worry... I hope the AFP are onto this guy.

https://www.facebook.com/Cerantonio.Musa

Ive got to put my two cents worth in and say these MEMRI videos really really suck. what's with the little godamned window? this is no criticizm on the good work and quality of everything else. at one time they had a volume issue that was a pain in the ass that they finally addressed. I really hate to seem like a complainer, truly, but its like with You Tube and other venues it's like people are saying Internet users aren't worth the effort when it come to providing quality work. I see so much half-assed stuff it just pisses me off.

This dude is in so much trouble, he never once said peace be upon him, whoa next video of this guy will be his head rolling down the floor.
sounded like it was just the camera guy (coughing) and a young childs voice in the back ground.

You wrote - "Musa has a Facebook site that has this particular video, along with many other posts of black flags waving, AK47s etc etc. He has 5842 'likes'. He's a popular one, which is a worry... I hope the AFP are onto this guy."

And so do I also hope that the AFP are keeping an eye on him.

And ASIO.

And Victoria Police.

And the Melbourne Metropolitan Police.

I hope they're *all* watching him.

And I hope that his non-Muslim relatives are keeping a wary and suspicious eye on him, too, if so be (hoping to turn them Muslim) he has remained in contact with them.

dda this is the third time I'm trying to post a reply to you. each was cut out by internet explorer. try one more time !

dda I didn't realize this guy had a following. I pray too that all the agency's you mentioned keeps an eye on him his followers.

Keep safe !!!!!!

ok, I made it to preview let's roll the dice. the only part I didn't put in was Merry Christmas and Happy New Year !!!!!

OK I see it posted. I swear I had all what's written and it kept kicking me out.If it would of happen one time I'd say oh,but three times in a row !!!! I'm not paranoid ;I truly beleive our post through internet explorer are being watched for certain key words.
has this happen too anyone else ?

John asked:

"I truly beleive our post through internet explorer are being watched for certain key words. Has this happened to anyone else?"
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John, I would say that it is a very safe bet that much, if not all of our words are being "watched" on this site.

But hey! That's the beauty of free-speech, isn't it? If we're watched closely, it must mean that we're over the target, no?
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A man can only write the truth, as he sees it...or what good is he?

The thing for us all to remember at all times is that we're not just writing for each other (that is, for the educated 'regulars' who converse here, swapping ideas and sharing experience, trying to 'add value' to the posted articles and to keep each other from getting too 'down' or frustrated.

There are hundreds, possibly *thousands* of people reading over our shoulders all the time: those who lurk but never post. And not only at the time of writing but, potentially, at any time within the next two, three, four, five years, however long this website manages to stay up.

Postings by people who wrote here in 2003 or 2004 can still be read, by persons who stumble in via google and the right search terms.

Plenty who read here, I have heard it said, are from places like Pakistan: which means there are *Muslims* who lurk. Let's hope that the no-holds-barred critique they encounter here may function, for some of them at least, those who haven't been entirely soul-eaten by allah, as a form of 'shock treatment', for their ultimate benefit...shocking them free from Islam. As for the hardened jihadists, the sharia assassins; let's not say anything that will give them cause to feel emboldened. Aim to rattle them...let them know that the free world is *not* going to roll over for them quite as easily as they want.

Then, among the many non-Muslims who read, there are those who begin with almost total ignorance of the subject of Islam, sharia, jihad.

That's why there are some classic articles and Quotable Quotes that I keep on referring to, over and over; and why Traeh keeps on reproducing key passages from the Quran and the Hadiths, whenever applicable.

There are still lots and lots of intelligent people out there who just *do not know* this stuff, and need to know it, and are just starting out on their journey of self-education.

They're not necessarily blinded by PCMC, they *just don't know*. Then something catches their attention, they type a search term into google and...click! they're here at jihadwatch! Part of the reason for all of us trying to maintain a basic level of civility, while also trying to keep this forum *interesting* and even entertaining (you're good at that, David), is to not scare casual visitors back out before they've had a chance to learn something.

The aim is for that continual stream of *uninformed* or only partially informed visitors to *become* informed; even if they only visit briefly, let's make sure they encounter things that will stick in their minds like burrs, together with sources/ references they can check.

We won't make much of a dent in the real Useful Idiots, the ones already dhimmified; but then again, we might, you never know. Think of Eric Allen Bell.

And then, among the probable regular lurkers here, there *will* be the journalists, the politicians (or their staffers, checking where the boss's name and speech/es are being discussed), and..the spooks. (Hi, ASIO! Hi, AFP! HI, MI5!

And given the dumbing-down of the education that even the spooks have been getting, it may be that regularly visiting this site will be good for the *spooks* as well.

I *want* my Aussie police and ASIO and AFP (Australian Federal Police) to know aaall about jihad; but I also want them to know all about taqiyya and kitman and tawriyya, the various forms of Islamic deception, and hudna, and Treaty of Hudaybiyya, and 'war is deceit'. I don't know how much they're learning in their official training, so I want them to hear us discussing those things, on point and rationally, right here, over and over and over, every time it's relevant to a news item.

The more they come here and read, the better.

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