#MyJihad in Pakistan: Jihadis murder five anti-polio health workers

The problem is that a large chunk of the Ummah is determined to make like a homicide-bomber murder-'martyr', on a truly staggering scale.

Like, national, regional, *global*.

See here, for example:

http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/45292
Monday, 17 December 2012
Iran Pursues Development of Deadly Bio-Toxins

Thanatos, cubed.

From the POV of the truly fanatical Mohammedans, it doesn't matter if, in the course of 'purifying' the world of everything not-Islam (some 6 billion non-Muslims and all our works and days) most or all Mohammedans get killed as well, for if they do, then they can *all* be viewed as voluntary or involuntary shaheeds.

The *only* way for any Mohammedan to be perfectly sure of getting to 'paradise' is by slaying and being slain in the cause of allah. A scenario involving global unloosing of mass death - killing all or most non-Muslims along with all or most of the Muslims - could be seen as *the* way of ensuring that the maximum number of Muslims qualify for 'paradise' (combine that with the belief that any shaheed who gets offed in the process of offing a non-Muslim, not only gets his free pass to paradise but is able to provide similar passes for a whole bunch of his relations, and you've got...an incentive for suicide-murder on the planetary scale).

DDA wrote in reply:

"From the POV of the truly fanatical Mohammedans, it doesn't matter if, in the course of 'purifying' the world of everything not-Islam (some 6 billion non-Muslims and all our works and days) most or all Mohammedans get killed as well, for if they do, then they can *all* be viewed as voluntary or involuntary shaheeds."
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With respect, my dear, all of the above has to do with "belief", not biology. All humans have a natural urge to survive. The urge to die in order to "survive in heaven" may seem like a great threat on a local, regional or world level, but that flies in the face of the imperatives of evolution.

Those who do not want to die for a belief will eventually win out, because you can't kill all unbelievers. It is simply impossible, because it would require simultaneous, exactly timed, multiple nukes to accomplish what you suggest.

The imperative for survival will overcome.

DDA wrote in reply:

"From the POV of the truly fanatical Mohammedans, it doesn't matter if, in the course of 'purifying' the world of everything not-Islam (some 6 billion non-Muslims and all our works and days) most or all Mohammedans get killed as well, for if they do, then they can *all* be viewed as voluntary or involuntary shaheeds."
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With respect, my dear, all of the above has to do with "belief", not biology. All humans have a natural urge to survive. The urge to die in order to "survive in heaven" may seem like a great threat on a local, regional or world level, but that flies in the face of the imperatives of evolution.

Those who do not want to die for a belief will eventually win out, because you can't kill all unbelievers. It is simply impossible, because it would require simultaneous, exactly timed, multiple nukes to accomplish what you suggest.

The imperative for survival will overcome.

"Those who do not want to die for a belief will eventually win out, because you can't kill all unbelievers. It is simply impossible, because it would require simultaneous, exactly timed, multiple nukes to accomplish what you suggest."

David Dowse is probably correct about the ultimate failure of such an attempt (or multiple attempts) by Muslims.

But surely, that doesn't mean we should just do nothing to prevent all the thousands, or hundreds of thousands, or millions of murders the unsuccessful Muslims will be able to perpetrate -- even if they fail in their ultimate goal?

The problem with mass-murderous Mohammedans is not whether they will "win" or not; but what misery and mayhem they will be able to wreak even in losing. We can minimize such horrors, if we get our shit together. We will impair our ability to do that, if we indulge in distracting irrelevancies.

David Dowse wrote, replying to Dumbledore's Army:

With respect, my dear, all of the above has to do with "belief", not biology. All humans have a natural urge to survive.
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David, I believe you are correct in the long view.

But in the not-so-short view, Islam has utterly ruined places like Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia, and Pakistan—and has badly crippled many others, including large tracts of the Mahgreb, the Levant, sub-Sahara Africa, and south east Asia.

A fifth of the world's people have had their lives stunted—or worse—by this vicious creed.

Recall—even given the terrible ignorance and inbreeding, Pakistanis have the same essential urge to survive as do Infidels.

But, unfortunately, belief *can* go a long way toward squelching or at least twisting this essential urge—and it has been able to do the same with other basic human urges such as love and the desire to protect one's children.

And this grotesque system of belief is not like, say, Nazism, which has survived for a few scant decades, and for just over ten years as a truly lethal force.

Instead, Islam has been perverting human nature for *almost 1400 years*.

In the long run, I *am* an optimist. But I'm not going to rely on just human biology, which has proven quite malleable under the wrong circumstances.

Instead, I believe we have to counter a vile belief system with our own civilized philosophy.

As always, David, I look forward to reading your posts, and hope you are almost ready for Navidad.

Polio is a communicable disease that will spread among those who are NOT vaccinated.That has been the pattern in Nigeria where the disease is spreading among ignorant Muslims and not the non-Muslims who are vaccinated.Nigerian Muslims also carried the disease with them on the Hajj spreading it to more Muslims. So to stop the spread of the disease among non-Muslims you continue with vaccinations.If the disease is becoming a problem in China you stop it by vaccinating the population. You can also bar people with communicable diseases from entering a country.I suspect as Polio becomes more and more of a Muslim problem you will see Muslims looking to be vaccinated.If not then Allah can save them.

Very true, PJG. However, that wouldn't be the gargantuan problem it is, were there not also millions of Westerners who hate their own West.

So the last 2000 years of Christian mission and ministry all over the world were, from your point of view, a complete waste of time, and indeed, dangerous and stupid, and it were better that none of it had ever been done...perhaps St Paul should never even have bothered going to Rome?

Or do you merely believe that Christian missionaries - with the concomitant Christian drive to heal the sick, care for widows and orphans, etc, which has manifested everywhere that Christians have gone, and which is the deep matrix of the kinds of world-scale public health campaigns that you mention and even of the science that made them possible (see Vishal Mangawadi's 'The Book that Made Your World', for example) - should never, once the tribes of southern/ western/ northwestern Europe were converted, have bothered to go anywhere else? (But what then how do you interpret our Lord's command to 'teach **all** nations'? Did he really mean, 'teach the white tribes only'?).

Gladys Aylward for example - do you think she would have been better advised to have turned her back and left all those Chinese orphans by the side of the road to perish, let Nature take its course? Should she have refused to become the official Inspector of Feet?

Do you think that Mary Slessor should have been prevented from going to Africa, where among other things, she rescued sets of twins that had been exposed to die on the riverbank?

And, indeed, should she and all other Christians, between the sixteenth and the twentieth centuries, have left well alone, and never gone to China at all in the first place? Or India. Or Africa. Or the Pacific. Or Latin America. Or the Torres Strait, and Aboriginal Australia.. Or, yes, the Middle East.