No honor among thieves: Iran whines about Saudi cleric approving temporary marriage with Syrian women, despite Shia approval for temporary marriage

UPDATE: As is not surprising given that its source was PressTV, this story has now been widely reported to be an Iranian propaganda fabrication: the Saudi cleric denies having said these things. The material about temporary marriage remains accurate, to the detriment of innumerable women in Iran and elsewhere.

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Shi'ites justify temporary marriage, mutah, by their reading of Qur'an 4:24:

And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that ye seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery. And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done). Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Wise.

They see in this marriage as something contracted by means of payment ("give them their portions") for a specified time by mutual agreement.

But when a Sunni Muslim cleric calls for the practice in Syria, it becomes an egregious crime, since the Syrian jihadist rebels are fighting against the Iranian-backed Assad regime. Maybe the Iranians want all the Syrian temporary wives for themselves.

"Militants can marry Syrian women: Wahhabi cleric in Saudi Arabia," from PressTV, December 31 (thanks to EZ):

A hard-line Wahhabi cleric in Saudi Arabia has recently issued a special religious decree that permits the militants in Syria to engage in short-term marriages with Syrian women.

Sheikh Mohammed al-Arifi said that the marriages between the foreign-backed militants and Syrian women will satisfy the militants’ sexual desires and boost their determination in killing Syrians.

He added that the marriages, dubbed by him as “intercourse marriages,” can be with Syrian females as young as 14 years old.

He also promised “paradise” for those who marry the militants.

Arifi has issued similar decrees in the past in support of the violence in Syria.

He has also been organizing a fundraiser for the militant groups fighting Syrian government forces.

Syria has been experiencing unrest since March 2011. Many people, including large numbers of security forces, have been killed in the turmoil.

The Syrian government says the chaos is being orchestrated from outside the country as there are reports that a very large number of the militants are foreign nationals.

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Islam and sanctimony go hand in hand with Muslim.

PGuud

Islam: where freedom ends and slavery begins.

He added that the marriages, dubbed by him as “intercourse marriages,” can be with Syrian females as young as 14 years old.

I'm sure there will be a lot of 14 year old children volunteering to help with the war effort...

"He also promised “paradise” for those who marry the militants." -

These people are as sick as a very sick dog. Just reading this crap makes me wanna vom..

How can any human being adhere to this sick religion and its culture is beyond my comprehension?

How can any human being adhere to this sick religion and its culture is beyond my comprehension?

That's why we don't want it over here, no matter where 'over here' is...

there is a huge lack of education in muslim countries and I mean huge and a of course a total absence of free speech. In Iran temporary marriages are called Sighe.....

believe it or not it is a legally/religious approved form of prostitution and it is for sex only and nothing else. a lot of those poor women engage in this to simply support themselves/kids/family. They have no other outlet to support with themselves.
M

The Halal Fornication in Islam:
"Yes, we had been benefiting ourselves by this temporary marriage during the lifetime of theHoly (sic) Prophet (may peace be upon him) and during the tinie (sic) of Abi! Bakr and 'Umar."
(Sahih Muslim, 8, 3248)

The Sanctity of Marriage in Christianity:
"But from the beginning of creation, God made them male and female. For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one."
(Mark, 10:6)

http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/12/perfect-man-of-islam.html

Very typical of muslim behavior. Calling others as criminals but not for themselves if they do the same action. They are following the sunnah of their prophet.

"it is a legally/religious approved form of prostitution and it is for sex only and nothing else." -

MR what do you mean "for sex only"? Who takes care of the bi-product kids when each one has a different temporal father?

this is not designed for men to have kids though it could happen. this is designed solely for the pleasure having sex only(men only). Prostitutes go to extreme to make sure they do not get pregnant and this is the case here as well.
M

I`m muslim.

I never took part in this kind of conversation.

I want to share something with you.

Mr. Spencer, will you block me?

Doesn't Iran also allow "temporary marriages" between prison guards and female virgin prisoners facing execution? The logic being, virgins may get into paradise despite their crimes, so raping them before executing them ensures they don't.

hypocrisy,thy name is islam.happy new year to you robert.keep up the good fight.there are
legions behind you.


"I`m muslim.

I never took part in this kind of conversation.

I want to share something with you.

Mr. Spencer, will you block me?"
______________________________

Ummm...I'm reading what you posted, and Spencer hasn't blocked you yet, so fire away!

Don't let Free Speech stop you!

""
I`m muslim.

I never took part in this kind of conversation.

I want to share something with you.

Mr. Spencer, will you block me?
------------------""

Let's read about your opinion about the vile Muslims, what do you think about it and why do you think they are doing the sort of stuff they regularly do?

Even more interesting, which part of the Quran do you like and which ones you do not. Lets read about that.

Duh swami
Blueraven
Miriam rove
Salah
Apram
David dowse


Thank you.

I have two questions.

1. Does any of you speak arabic (I know Robert Spencer does not)?

2. If I want to know what Robert Spencer says, should I go to "leftist" media?

I hope you will answer these two simple questions.

Of course, I Robert does not block me.

Robert, why did you block me?

My apologies, I am having problems with my old machine.

I hope someone will answer my question.

A Mohammedan, above, trots out a very old canard, the claim that unless someone speaks Arabic (but *which* Arabic? Arabic as in North Africa? Arabic as in Egypt? Arabic as in West Africa - Mauritania, etc? Arabic of Yemen? Arab of the Levant? modern 'Arabic' exists in many dialects, some of them mutually unintelligible - or does he mean that unless and until a person is completely competent in the Arabic of the Quran, so-called 'classical' Arabic, that person cannot have any sort of reasonable opinion about the nature and content of Muslim scripture - though all the major texts exist in very carefully annotated scholarly translations, many of these habitually used both by born-Muslims of non-Arab ethnicity who don't speak Arabic *either*, and by converts of non-Arab ethnicity? - or about Muslim behaviour.

It was perfectly possible to have a true and accurate perception that Nazi Germany, and Nazism, were a menace to the world, and to fight against the Nazis to defeat them, without *ever* having read Mein Kampf in the original German *or* in translation; *without* knowing German; without having been to Germany and without knowing personally any German person.

Many intelligent people who *did* know German read Mein Kampf; some of them produced competent translations; quite a few people *did* read those translations and on that basis, especially after also observing the congruence between Hitler's behaviour and that of his subordinates and of Nazi Germany as a whole, concluded that Nazism was evil and had to be fought against and defeated.

The same applies to Soviet Russia and to Mao's China. Most of those who adjudged these regimes, and the ideologies animating them, to be dangerous, evil, aggressive and to be manfully resisted and publicly criticised and denounced, did not necessarily speak Russian or Chinese; they had to rely upon translations of the relevant material, made by those who *did* (both apologists for Bolshevism and Maoism, and by critics, including defectors), as well as upon observing the aggressive and antihuman behaviour of the adherents of those ideologies.

And a large number of ordinary people, not knowing these ideologies in detail nor having necessarily read their major 'source documents' or manifestoes, opposed them simply because they *had* heard of and understood one or two key ideas, saw the evil in those ideas, and saw the match between those doctrines or ideas, and the evil behaviour of the adherents.

The same applies to the ideology or belief-system known as Islam.

I don't speak Arabic, nor do I know the 'classical' Arabic in which the Koran is written. But I have read translations - by Muslims and non-Muslims - which are careful and scholarly; and I have the use of my commonsense and have applied it to what I see of the historic track record of Muslims, and what Muslims are doing in the here and now.

Therefore, I despise Islam as a truly repulsive blend of a nihilistic death cult / war cult/ human sacrifice cult and an organised crime 'family'/gang/ extortion racket, and I oppose and denounce it accordingly.

"Does any of you speak arabic"

I do, why?

عن انس قال رأيت رسول الله ( صلى الله عليه و سلم ) يفرج بين رجلي الحسن ويقبل ذكره

*MY* TRANSLATION:

Narrated Anas: I saw the messenger of Allah (pbuh) putting Hasan's legs apart and kissing his male (member).

What do you think? Do you have a better translation?

Islamic sources here:
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.ca/2012/03/grandpa-muhammad.html

Do you need evidence that Robert Spencer is not telling you the truth concerning this?

Should I remind you that you omitted my second question?

Why don`t you ask Al-Arifi, if you want to know what Al-Arifi says?

If you want to know what Robert Spencer says, do yo ask me?

Al-Arifi`s reaction:


http://tinyurl.com/aoohuga


I hope you see that Robert Spencer is lying to you (yet again).

Robert did not lie, this article was published on Press TV.
I've read Arifi's denial, he accuses Bashar of publishing this "lie".
Whether he is telling the truth or not, I don't know, and, frankly, I don't care. But, his denial means one thing, and one thing only: he is, or pretend to be, more decent than Muhammad and whoever wrote Quran 4:24.
Don't you agree?
كل عام و أنتم بخير

"Robert did not lie, this article was published on Press TV.
I've read Arifi's denial, he accuses Bashar of publishing this "lie".
Whether he is telling the truth or not, I don't know,".


Just because the article was published on some media, Robert Spencer did not lie???

If someone is spreading lies, and you facilitate the spreading of it, does that mean you do not lie?

The problem is, Robert Spencer keeps "publishing" similar articles.

Why a "scholar" of Islam did not verify the authenticity of the article?

Is this how scholars act?

Would Robert Spencer also publish this from "PressTV":


http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/12/18/278706/israeli-squads-tied-to-newtown-carnage/

"I wonder if Spencer would also take them just as seriously as a source in that instance? Probably not. Promoting that ridiculous antisemitic conspiracy theory wouldn't help him promote Islamophobia. However, at least in this instance, he seems eager to believe them when they make claims that he can use to demonize Muslims. But I guess they suddenly become trust worthy in his eyes when they say things that support his agenda? Yet another reason not to trust "counter Jihad" activists like Spencer."

WIll Robert Spencer also appologise as normal people do?

See this:

http://www.alternet.org/world/exhibit-how-easily-islamophobic-meme-can-spread-wildfire-across-internet

"January 2, 2013

Editor's note: On January 2, AlterNet was one of several outlets that published what turned out to be an article based on a false report. We would like to apologize to our readers for the error."

I assume Robbert Spencer will just remove his article...as many times before...

As is not surprising given that its source was PressTV, ..."


Wooooow.
Now, it`s their fault?!
Not yours.
Why did you use it as a source then?

Why did not you ask Al-Arifi if you wanted to know what Al-Arifi says?

Oh, wait, you do not speak arabic.

Greetings from Kosovo

I will be watching you guys.

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