Pakistani: Sunni jihadists murder Shi'ite in hospital

Video thanks to Golem, who writes: "Shia Muslims have been viciously persecuted in Pakistan for decades...Here is a recent article describing this situation." Note that it is from an Iranian Shi'ite source; still, it gives much illuminating information.

Golem adds about the video above: "Here is a brutal example of this situation, a Shia Muslim who survived a prior attack, being gunned down in the hospital."

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Whatever you do, please don't call them "savages."

Black gangs in the U.S. have been known to do the same. They've done it so much, it was part of a plot arc on the popular show ER back in the 90s.

islam teaches muslims to hate and murder everyone--even their own.

Islam: sadistic thuggery, institutionalised and sacralised.

(One might add, by the by, that the word 'thug' is from Thuggee, a human sacrifice-cult-cum-organised-crime-gang that used to operate in India; I have sometimes wondered how much Thuggee may have owed to the influence of Islam, just as one can wonder how much the malign spiritual and cultural influence of Islam may have had to do with the rise of the Mafia in southern Italy, or how much Hitler in creating Nazism was influenced by his attentive and approving reading of at least two books written by an Indian Muslim fomenter of jihad. And the word 'amok' from 'to run amok' comes into English from bitter experience of a heavily Islamised society, Malaysia. Sudden Jihad Syndrome seems to happen not only where a Muslim colony has established itself amidst non-Muslims, but also *within* Islamised societies).

Muslims are only supposed to behave violently towards non-Muslims and not towards each other, but the trouble is, violence breeds violence so Muslims will find an excuse to be violent towards each other, often by using some form of scapegoating.
Mohammed made it easy for them to persecute each other by saying that any Muslim who doesn't follow the rules is not a true Muslim. Sunnis see Shia as being heretics and therefore not true Muslims. This is how they justify their hostility. Likewise, any Muslim who has a grievance against his neighbour can claim that his neighbour is a blasphemer or a shirker and in his own mind this will justify any animosity.
This is how the Muslim world operates. Muslims are exposed to bullying and intimidation from an early age and unfortunately they are addicted to it!

And in a hospital no less where someone is at their weakest and defenseless ...

Hi DDA

The Thugee were (are) Kali worshipers. Not muzlamic at all.

nabi ZK (pbum)

I think DDA's point was that the Thugs might have been influenced by Islam, not that they were Islamic. So one pertinent question is: how old is the practice of Thuggee? Did it pre-date Islam in India?
According to Wiki (perhaps not the best source) Thuggee is first mentioned in the records in the mid-14th c., which is well after the Islamic conquest of much of India. So it could well have been influenced by Islam.

Point is that Muslims regard Muslims of other sects as infidels no different from Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs and others. They don't look @ them as fellow Muslims. Hence the behavior seen above.

This just has to happen on a worldwide scale, so that all of them can wipe out each other, hopefully w/o the infidel world needing to bat an eyelid.

Actually, no. A book that came out about the Thugees a few years ago pointed out that it was not a Kali centric cult, and that actually, 1/3 of them were Muslims.

Looks like the thuggee practice started after the moguls invaded India and reduced many Hindus to poverity through theft and heavy taxations. perhaps some of these Kali worshippers got the idea of robbing caravans from the muslims, from mohammed. So they operated by joining up with travelers and caravans and when they least expect it, they would strangle and rob them.

This form of thuggery also attracted muslims who found it a way to gain even more riches by killing and robbing the infidals.
thankfully it was all ended by the British detective work and prosecution of the sect in the 1800's.

The Wahhabis of Saudi pay Pakistanis and Indonesian Sunnis to kill non-Sunnis, including believers of other religions. The deed is no different than that of the Kharijites in the ancient feud between Sunnis and Shiites. These Wahhabis prefer to be called Salafis. Wahhabi = pure, and salafis = ancient. So Salafis = Kharijites.

LemonLime wrote:

Black gangs in the U.S. have been known to do the same. They've done it so much, it was part of a plot arc on the popular show ER back in the 90s.
.................

Yet another example, LemonLime, that to find anything in the West analogous to standard Muslim behavior, you have to look at criminal behavior that is prosecuted in the courts and despised and abhorred by the general population.

”[Islam] is essentially an obstructive, intolerant system. It has
consecrated despotism; it has consecrated polygamy; it has consecrated
slavery. It has declared war against every other creed; it has claimed
to be at least dominant in every land. When it ceases to have an enemy
to contend against, it sinks into sluggish stupidity and into a
barbarism far viler. It must have an enemy; if cut off from conflict
with the infidel, it finds its substitute in sectarian hatred of brother
Moslems…”


----Edward Augustus Freeman (1823-1892) British historian, Regius
Professor of Modern History at Oxford, non-resident professor at Cornell University.

@ LemonLime

Of course, the black gangsters who shot their enemies dead in hospitals didn't think they were pleasing Allah by doing so and that such an action would guarantee a place in paradise with 72 virgins.

That fundamental difference blows apart the apparent similarity you appear to present!

That's interesting.

Thank you.

Obviously Pakistan needs gun control...The Chinese, instead of demanding America disarm, should talk to their neighbors...

The Thuggees were descended from Muslim tribes which came into India from the north.
"Phansigars": "noose-operators".
It appears they might have "co-opted" Kali; the "slaves of Allah" became "servants of Kali". It was a kind of protection racket; "join us and you are safe". The loot was seen as Kali's "gift" and the killings were done "by Kali" through the Thugs. (cf Allah as killer, no need for guilt.)
Thuggee combined elements of Islam and Hinduism...the men lining up for pre-murder prayers, the goat sacrifice, the punishment for apostasy, the code language so like Islamic code-speak, seem pretty Islamic to me.
Some people believe Thuggee might have been a Hindu reaction to poverty and marginalisation as a result of Muslim invasion. I don't think so; there was too much "Islam" in it, and theft was not as important as the murder ritual. From what I read (some was fiction, but still...) the Muslim element was too strong, and there seemed to be manipulation of the Hindu Thugs by the Muslims, as we see here today sometimes in gangs.
I was fascinated by the film of John Masters' book "The Deceivers" made by the Muslim Ismael Merchant. He managed to persuade English dhimmis to distort the story such that it became anti-British, anti-Christian and maligning of Hinduism as well; for example the Englishman who broke the Thugs' society was portrayed as arrogantly saying "My God is stronger than yours" to a Muslim upon whom he pushes a cross, whereas in the book the Muslim ASKS for the cross, saying "Your God is stronger than mine", and offers to help destroy Thuggee with the help of the cross. And so on...relentless in its distortions (which no reviewer noticed!)

You are spot on. All the Thugs in Sleeman's factual accounts and Meadows Taylor's semi-fictional one, are Muslims, who killed their victims as a sacrifice to Kali (also known as Bhowani), a Hindu goddess. They believed that these brutal sacrifices to Kali would ensure prosperity and also protect them. This must have come easy to the Muslims, used as they were to killing on behalf of Allah. The advantage of killing on behalf of Kali was that anyone who did not belong to the fraternity of Thugs was fair game. The Thugee cult demanded and ensured constant blood sacrifices of victims, and got it unbelievably and easily. Just like Islam.

Excellent post on the Islamic roots of the Thugee cult, PJG.

Why thanks, GI: and I'm about to have my knowledge of Thuggee enhanced greatly, I'm sure, as I just received my copy of "Flashman and the Great Game" in which the famous ex-Rugby rotter encounters the Thugs (among every other notable Indians of the period). I'm dying to find out how! Does he join them, uncover them, outwit them, fight them, strangle them or, in true Flashy style, run away from them?
Or a mixture of all of these!!??

"like a rabid dog". Churchill

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