Sharia amputations in Mali: "This is in the Koran. That’s why we do it."

MaliThief.jpgMoctar Touré, recipient of Sharia justice


While Muslim spokesmen in the West do their best to convince us that the Qur'an doesn't mean what it plainly says, the Islamic supremacists in Mali have no interest in such elaborate games of deception.

"[As for] the thief, the male and the female, amputate their hands in recompense for what they committed as a deterrent [punishment] from Allah. And Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise." -- Qur'an 5:38

"Islamists’ Harsh Justice Is on the Rise in North Mali," by Adam Nossiter for the New York Times, December 27 (thanks to Joseph):

BAMAKO, Mali — Moctar Touré was strapped to a chair, blindfolded, his right hand bound tight to the armrest with a rubber tube. A doctor came and administered a shot. Then Mr. Touré’s own brother wielded a knife, the kind used to slaughter sheep, and methodically carried out the sentence.

Souleymane Traoré had his right hand cut off by Mr. Touré’s brother, a police chief in the Islamist-held north.

“I myself cut off my brother’s hand,” said Aliou Touré, a police chief in the Islamist-held north of this divided nation. “We had no choice but to practice the justice of God.”...

After the United Nations Security Council authorized a military campaign to retake the region last week, Islamists in Gao, Mr. Touré’s town, cut the hands off two more people accused of being thieves the very next day, a leading local official said, describing it as a brazen response to the United Nations resolution. Then the Islamists, undeterred by the international threats against them, warned reporters that eight others “will soon share the same fate.”

This harsh application of Shariah law, with people accused of being thieves sometimes having their feet amputated as well, has occurred at least 14 times since the Islamist takeover last spring, not including the recent vow of more to come, according to Human Rights Watch and independent observers.

But those are just the known cases, and dozens of other residents have been publicly flogged with camel-hair whips or tree branches for offenses like smoking, or even for playing music on the radio. Several were whipped in Gao on Monday for smoking in public, an official said, while others said that anything other than Koranic verses were proscribed as cellphone ringtones. A jaunty tune is punishable by flogging.

At least one case of the most severe punishment — stoning to death — was carried out in the town of Aguelhok in July against a couple accused of having children out of wedlock.

Trials are often rudimentary. A dozen or so jihadi judges sitting in a circle on floor mats pronounce judgment, according to former Malian officials in the north. Hearings, judgment and sentence are usually carried out rapidly, on the same day....

Moctar Touré, 25, and Souleymane Traoré, 25, both spoke haltingly and stared into the distance, remembering life before the moments that turned their worlds upside down and made them, as they felt, useless. They gently cradled the rounded stumps that now serve as arms, wondering what would come next.

The two young men had been truck drivers before Gao was overrun last spring. Both were accused of stealing guns; both said they merely acted out of patriotic feeling for the now-divided Malian state, with the intention of helping it regain the north.

In September, Mr. Traoré said, he was summoned from his jail cell after three months of a brutal prison term in which he was often fed nothing. Acquaintances had denounced him to the Islamist police; he was stealing the extremists’ weapons at night, he said, and burying them in the sand by the Niger River.

As ten other prisoners watched, he was ordered to sit in a chair, and his arms were tightly bound to it. With a razor, one of his jailers traced a circle on his forearm. “It pains me to even think about it,” he said, looking down, cradling his head in his remaining hand.

Mr. Touré’s brother, Aliou, the police chief, sawed off his hand. It took three minutes. Mr. Traoré said he passed out.

“I said nothing. I let them do it,” he said.

Moctar Touré had his hand amputated several weeks later. He said it took 30 minutes, though he fainted in the process, awakening in the hospital bed where the Islamists had placed him afterward.

Mr. Touré said his brother had insisted that the sentence be carried out.

“They asked my own brother three times if that was the sentence,” Mr. Touré said. “He’s the commissioner of police in Gao, and he wants to die a martyr,” Mr. Touré said quietly. “He joined up with the Islamists when they came to Gao.”

Aliou Touré, reached by telephone in the Sahara, said the decision was a simple one.

“He stole nine times,” he said of his brother. “He’s my own brother. God told us to do it. God created my brother. God created me. You must read the Koran to see that what I say is true. This is in the Koran. That’s why we do it.”

Moctar Touré had a different story. The Islamists had pressed him into joining their militia, he said, but the training was brutal and Mr. Touré quit. One day they saw him carrying some guns, and they accused him of wanting to subvert the new order. He was jailed.

Sweat streamed down Mr. Touré’s forehead as he recalled the terrible memories, sitting on a bench at a busy bus station here, 600 miles from Gao.

The Islamists had called out five prisoners that morning; four were to be witnesses. They took them all to an unused customs post at the edge of Gao, and Mr. Touré was ordered to wash himself. The Islamists told him what his sentence was to be.

“I was helpless,” he said. “I was completely tied up.”

Now, Mr. Touré spends his days hanging out at the bus station near a cousin’s house. Mr. Traoré hopes to learn a new trade, given that “I can’t be a driver anymore,” he said....

Mr. Oumarou said the Islamists had been busy lately writing “Allahu akbar,” or “God is great,” in Arabic on the former Malian administrative buildings in Gao....

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"'He stole nine times,' he said of his brother. 'He’s my own brother. God told us to do it. God created my brother. God created me. You must read the Koran to see that what I say is true. This is in the Koran. That’s why we do it.'"

Like he said, you must "read the Koran" ...

a manual for murder and other such horrors.


"And (as for) the man who steals and the woman who steals, cut off their hands." Quran 5:38

As opposed to:

"'Stretch out your hand.' He stretched it out, and his hand was restored." Mark 3:5

http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/05/islamic-amputations.html

“I myself cut off my brother’s hand,” said Aliou Touré, a police chief in the Islamist-held north of this divided nation. “We had no choice but to practice the justice of God.”...

These people have sold their souls, and humanity, for a book written by a pervert, or several perverts...The fact that they don't see anything wrong with this, shows how far down the evolutionary ladder they are...

At least they're honest savages, unlike those savages in the West, like CAIR savages and their ilk in Europe and elsewhere who practice taqiyya.

Moctar Touré, recipient of Islam.

The Eighth Amendment to the US Constitution is far ahead of the Koran. So much is. In fact, one would have to work hard to be "behind" the Koran. It can be done but only with much effort.

at least they are saying it themselves.
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According to muslims this is probably another jewish lie to defame the Religion of Peace to anger muslims to cut more hands and heads as dictated by their hateful GOD.

And Obama says "the future does not belong to who insult Islam". I still can't belive that we Americans are not in front of the Whitehouse demanding impeachment of the biggest traitor of the USA, yes him Obama.

The comments on the article are illuminating. "Bobby," a Muslim from Indiana, writes:

The idea that these people have that they are correctly carrying out Shari'ah law is amazing to me. They have no jurists, they have no proper court system, and there is no caliph in the fist place, meaning that all Shari'ah forms of punishment are to be disbanded.

This is why I find the actions of other so-called Muslims to be the mist [sic] challenging aspect to my faith.

Note that Bobby does not deny that the Qur'an calls for amputation. He does not deny that Sharia calls for amputation. Nor does he even express disdain for amputation as a punishment. No, the only thing he finds "amazing" is that such punishments are being implemented prematurely.

The Muslim Community Association, which claims to be "one of the largest Muslim communities in the US," promotes a book that is especially clear on the topic of amputation:

But promulgating legislative systems that go against the shari'ah of the Creator of the heavens and the earth, and referring to them for judgement, constitutes kufr or disbelief in the Creator of the heavens and the earth, such as claiming that giving preference to males over females in matters of inheritance is not fair, and that they should be given equal shares; or claiming that plurality of marriage is oppression, or that divorce is unfair to women, or that stoning and amputation of hands, etc., are bestial acts which cannot be justifiably done to anyone, and so on.

See http://revuse.wetpaint.com/page/Silicon+Valley+Sharia

"After the United Nations Security Council authorized a military campaign to retake the region last week, Islamists in Gao, Mr. Touré’s town, cut the hands off two more people accused of being thieves the very next day, a leading local official said, describing it as a brazen response to the United Nations resolution."

I strongly object to to Western powers becoming involved in the affairs of regions like this.

In the first place, it often turns out that one Islamist group is replaced with another Islamist group equally bad or worse.

Even worse, by becoming engaged in the affairs of the Muslim countries, we create a group of so-called allies, who we have to support financially and militarily, and what is worse, allow them into Western countries when the war starts going badly.

I don't think we ought to be engaged with the Muslim societies. Keep them out of our countries, and let them commit their barbarities on each other, without our approval or interference.

Sharia amputations in Mali: "This is in the Koran. That’s why we do it."
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Pious Muslims need never take any moral responsibility. If it's in the Qur'an, it cannot be questioned.

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While Muslim spokesmen in the West do their best to convince us that the Qur'an doesn't mean what it plainly says, the Islamic supremacists in Mali have no interest in such elaborate games of deception.
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And why is that? Because *they are in control in Mali*. If—God forbid—they ever wind up in control here, it will be just the same.

As vile as Taqiyya is, pious Muslims practice it as a back-handed acknowledgment that they are not yet in power, and have to whitewash Islam.

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...Then Mr. Touré’s own brother wielded a knife, the kind used to slaughter sheep, and methodically carried out the sentence.
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*His own brother*. "Let no compassion stay your hand" is right....

Here's an appalling Hadith:

"Thereupon Mas'ud leapt upon Sunayna, one of the Jewish merchants with whom his family had social and commercial relations and killed him. The Muslim's brother complained, saying, 'Why did you kill him? You have much fat in you belly from his charity.' Mas'ud answered, 'By Allah, had Muhammad ordered me to murder you, my brother, I would have cut off your head.' Wherein the brother said, 'Any religion that can bring you to this is indeed wonderful!'"
—Tabari VII:97
—Ishaq:369

The murderous antisemitism is horrifying, of course—but also look at the brother who is *impressed* that his Muslim sibling would murder him without a second thought is Muhammed ordered it.

And note, also, the use of a knife used to slaughter sheep. I've long believed that this pious throat-cutting serves as a training ground for barbarism against humans, as well.

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“I myself cut off my brother’s hand,” said Aliou Touré, a police chief in the Islamist-held north of this divided nation. “We had no choice but to practice the justice of God.”...
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And a bloody "justice" it is...

More:

Then the Islamists, undeterred by the international threats against them, warned reporters that eight others “will soon share the same fate.”
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Of course they will. Islam's blood lust is never satisfied...

More:

But those are just the known cases, and dozens of other residents have been publicly flogged with camel-hair whips or tree branches for offenses like smoking, or even for playing music on the radio...
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And victims of rape are considered "adulterers" and may be stoned. This is almost certainly coming in Mali, as well.

More:

At least one case of the most severe punishment — stoning to death — was carried out in the town of Aguelhok in July against a couple accused of having children out of wedlock.
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And this wasn't "adultery", either. This was a committed couple who were not married. And now their children are orphans. God, I hate Islam.

More:

Trials are often rudimentary. A dozen or so jihadi judges sitting in a circle on floor mats pronounce judgment, according to former Malian officials in the north. Hearings, judgment and sentence are usually carried out rapidly, on the same day....
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This implies that, somehow, Mali isn't properly administering Islamic law—but don't suppose that "justice" under Shari'ah *ever* looks much different from this.

It is always arbitrary and brutal. The only difference is that Shari'ah nations with a vague gloss of organization—like Iran—also add lengthy prison sentences and elaborate, weeks- and months-long torture to the punishments.

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Moctar Touré, 25, and Souleymane Traoré, 25, both spoke haltingly and stared into the distance, remembering life before the moments that turned their worlds upside down and made them, as they felt, useless.
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"As they felt"? This isn't about self-esteem for the handicapped. Not only are they genuinely much more limited in what work they can do now, bu they bear the mark and stigma of "thief" for as long as they live.

In addition, its not as though barbaric Mali has ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) safeguards...

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The two young men had been truck drivers before Gao was overrun last spring. Both were accused of stealing guns; both said they merely acted out of patriotic feeling for the now-divided Malian state, with the intention of helping it regain the north.
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In other words, what this second man was really mutilated for was *standing against the implementation of Shari'ah*. He's probably "lucky" he wasn't killed as an "apostate"...

what body part gets removed for pedophilia? ...okay now you're talkin!

'If Allah causes all this suffering he can't be good, and if he is powerless to stop it, he can't be God...Buddha...

gravenimage: "Pious Muslims need never take any moral responsibility. If it's in the Qur'an, it cannot be questioned."

Kamala: "Note that Bobby (posting/responding at the NYT) does not deny that the Qur'an calls for amputation. He does not deny that Sharia calls for amputation. Nor does he even express disdain for amputation as a punishment. No, the only thing he finds "amazing" is that such punishments are being implemented prematurely."

IMO, one of the greatest failures of American "journalists" is their failure to ask Jasser or Awad or Hooper or most any Muslim in America (after pointing out the spate of recent amputations and citing--copy in hand--Qur'an 5:38) where on the planet the amputation of a thief's hands is morally acceptable to them, personally.

Straight forward, simple questions based not on specious, arguable ahadith, but Qur'an alone.

Though on opposite ends of the spectrum, how would Jasser or Awad respond?

How would all of those Dearborn Muslims from the now (thankfully) defunct "All American Muslim" program respond?

As no "journalist" will likely ever interview "Bobby", it doesn't look like we'll ever know.

Forgive my ignorance but shouldn't western troops be employed in African states rather than Iraq and Afganistan where success is about as likely as Vietnam.

We Brits at least should be supporting a former colony - Nigeria- and pehaps others under islamist assualt. Just saying.

Good point, PRCS. We need to regularly pin down Muslims on what exactly they believe.

Whenever this is done, the results are always appalling—and we find that that supposed "tiny minority of extremists" is almost always a solid majority of Muslims who support the most barbaric tenets of Jihad and Shari'ah.

Yep.

My personal copy of the Qur'an (a hefty, eight pound monster (The Message of THE QUR'AN) came from CAIR.

It makes no bones about the reasons for such amputations; explaining them in detail.

IMO, I don't believe that Awad, in particular, as CAIR's HMFIC, would be able to deny that such amputations are "divinely" mandated by the very Qur'an that CAIR sends out, or that as a "devout" Muslim, he would be able to claim moral opposition to any of Allah's dictates, or that he could make the claim-try as he might--,with 5:38 as the backdrop, that the shariah's "laws" are either benign or compatible with the U.S. Constitution.

If only an astute journalist would ask him.

Happy New Year to you.

It'll be crazy up here tomorrow night.

Bob

https://www.google.com/accounts/o8/id?id=AItOawmNtYz0p7lOKxs0LNW2ydB9EFlVYcxptiE wrote:

Forgive my ignorance but shouldn't western troops be employed in African states rather than Iraq and Afganistan where success is about as likely as Vietnam.
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With all due respect, I'm not sure why you believe that the West would have any more influence in the Sahel than in south Asia—the same Islam which is ruining Iraq and Afghanistan is currently devastating Mali.

I don't believe we'd be any more successful there—in fact, we would probably wind up facing a lot of the same free-lance Jihadists that we've faced half a world away.

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We Brits at least should be supporting a former colony - Nigeria- and pehaps others under islamist assualt. Just saying.
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Iraq and the southern part of Afghanistan are also former British colonies—my English grandfather served in what was known as Mesopotamia at the time.

At this point, many former colonies are already lost or largely lost to Islam.

Mali was once part of French Sudan, but I doubt that would lead them to welcome Western aid against the "Islamists"—even should we offer it. Of late, we have been as likely to foolishly *support* Jihadists as to oppose them, as in Libya.

Mali—as a whole, not just the Shari'ah north—is 90% Muslim.

The country's motto—disturbing but hardly surprising for a nation that is 10% non-Muslim—is:

"Un peuple, un but, une foi" (French)
"One people, one goal, one faith"

And now they are following that faith straight to hell...

Look again at the photograph. Notice which hand is chopped off. The right hand -- the hand that Muslims do everything "clean" with -- including eating. The left hand in Islam is the "unclean" hand which cannot be used for "clean" activities. Aside from the barbarity of amputation, the choice of the right hand adds social penalties.

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