Syrian rebels: Christians can only live in post-Assad Syria if they pay the jizya

“Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” — Qur’an 9:29

Muslim spokesmen in the West routinely claim that this verse has no applicability in the modern world. They’re lying.

“Syria: Rebel Prisoners On Their Religious War,” by Tim Marshall for Sky News, December 8 (thanks to Alan of England):

Interviewing people who, under different circumstances, might kill you is a strange experience.

To the soundtrack of multiple rocket launchers and small arms fire, I met six men who the Syrian authorities told us were jihadist rebel fighters captured by the army.

We were in a Ministry of Interior prison near Damascus in an area now close to the front lines.

The men, four Syrian, an Iraqi, and a Turk, said they had indeed been in the jihadist movement fighting President Assad’s forces, but now renounced the armed struggle even though they continued to espouse Salafist ideology. All are awaiting court appearances.

Jamil Us Turk, Ahmed al Rabido, Hamid Hassan al Attar, Bahar al Bashah, Ali Hussein and Mahmoud al Ahab said they were happy to be interviewed and had not been badly treated….

Mahmoud al Ahab, who described himself as a Palestinian Syrian, told me he was in the al Nusra Front which he said was an al Qaeda group. He had sworn an oath of allegiance to al Nursa but now felt this was a mistake.

Ahmed al Rabido, a 48-year-old Syrian, said he was a religious leader, a Mufti, in the Free Syrian Army.

“I joined because I wanted to demolish the secular state… I don’t believe in this anymore because the country is being ruined,” he said.

Bahar al Basah, 35, another Palestinian Syrian, told me he was influenced by the writings of Abu Qatada, the radical cleric currently under house arrest in the UK.

The men only became animated when I showed a little knowledge of Salafist ideology and brought up the works of Islamists such as the Egyptian Sayyid Qutb.

This led to a question about the future of Syria’s minorities such as the Christians. Ahmed, Basah, and Hamid Hassan all agreed – Christians could only live there if they either converted, or paid the ‘Jizyah’ – a special tax levied on non-Muslims in previous centuries in the Middle East. If not said Bahar, they could be killed.

When asked why, the answer was, to them, quite simple – because the Prophet Mohammed said so. I was then invited to become a Muslim….

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  1. says

    In the Sky News article the editor says-

    This was a rare first-hand glimpse into the jihadi mindset.

    Such comment on the part of editor shows how removed the MSM is from what is going on in the world. There are probably a hundred websites on the Internet that have detailed the jihadi mindset. Some of these sites have been up for over 10 years AND they [correctly] explained the jihadi mindset back then!

    So NO… this was no ‘rare first-hand glimpse’ into the jihadi mindset! And people who visit sites of worth know the jihadi mindset for years.

  2. says

    The West’s political class (fresh from interventionist fiascos in Libya and Egypt) seems to be hell-bent on intervening in Syria on the side of the largely Islamic Sunni ‘rebels,’ with little concern for the anti-West ideological beliefs of such groups.

  3. says

    Syrian rebels: Christians can only live in post-Assad Syria if they pay the jizya

    “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” — Qur’an 9:29
    ………………………

    That’s right”this institutionalized oppression is straight out of the Qur’an. In other words, these Jihadists plan to turn Syria into a full Shari’ah state.

    Does anyone here remember Muslim troll “Horse”, who used to post here a year or two ago? Besides nattering on about how the semi-assimilated Chinese Hui were somehow the “real” Muslims in the world, one of his favorite subjects was what a paradise Syria was for Christians.

    For one thing, this has *never* been true. But under Assad, their position was no worse than that of harrased second-class citizens.

    But if Assad falls, their position is poised to become *much, much worse*, as this pious Jihadist’s pronouncement shows.

    More:

    Muslim spokesmen in the West routinely claim that this verse has no applicability in the modern world. They’re lying.
    ………………………

    Yes, they are. Wherever Islam has reasserted itself, we hear talk about re-imposing the Jizya. Sometimes this comes in the form of “free-lance” Muslim thugs extorting “Protection money” from Christians. But increasingly”as here”it takes the form of actual, state-imposed Jizya.

    More:

    Interviewing people who, under different circumstances, might kill you is a strange experience.
    ………………………

    True”but any Infidel who interviews pious Muslims has had that experience, whether they realize it or not.

    More:

    Ahmed al Rabido, a 48-year-old Syrian, said he was a religious leader, a Mufti, in the Free Syrian Army.

    “I joined because I wanted to demolish the secular state…”
    ………………………

    Gee”how could a Mufti so misunderstand the tenets of his own faith? sarc/off Of course, part of that “demolishing of the secular state” includes the imposition of Jizya.

    More:

    The men only became animated when I showed a little knowledge of Salafist ideology and brought up the works of Islamists such as the Egyptian Sayyid Qutb.
    ………………………

    Sayyid Qutb makes it clear in his 1961 handbook “Milestones” that the first duty of Muslims is to establish a Shari’ah state”including imposing Jizya on any Infidels who will not become Muslims.

    More:

    This led to a question about the future of Syria’s minorities such as the Christians. Ahmed, Basah, and Hamid Hassan all agreed – Christians could only live there if they either converted, or paid the ‘Jizyah’ – a special tax levied on non-Muslims in previous centuries in the Middle East. If not said Bahar, they could be killed.
    ………………………

    Well, that’s right: Infidels’ three choices under Islam are to convert to Islam, pay the Jizya with “willing submission”, or be slaughtered.

    More:

    When asked why, the answer was, to them, quite simple – because the Prophet Mohammed said so. I was then invited to become a Muslim….
    ………………………

    Of course. And if Tim Marshall had demurred, and refused to pay Jizya himself, he would have been murdered on the spot.

    The only thing that prevented this was that Assad is still, for the present, in power in Syria.

    And this is how they behave when they are in prison, and attempting to impress those around them that they have “reformed”. What would they be like if they were in power?

    Actually, I think we know that. In that case, Mr. Marshall may not have gotten out alive.

  4. says

    In an Islamic state infidels always have to pay jaziya. Somebody has to work for the lazy bastards. That’s why they’ll always need dhimmis. It’s as simple as that.

  5. says

    What’s even worse than they discriminatory and humiliating jizya tax itself is where the revenues go: Islamic law mandates that jizya revenues go to the bayt al-mal, the caliphate’s treasury, from which come the salaries that pay the armies of Islam.

    Unlike zakat, they don’t even pretend that jizya goes to “help the poor.”

  6. says

    Gravenimage

    you quoted the reporter – ‘ Interviewing people who, under different circumstances, might kill you is a strange experience.’

    and commented

    “True”but any Infidel who interviews pious Muslims has had that experience, whether they realize it or not.”

    Yup.

    Remember the Israeli Jewish reporter and author, Aaron Klein, and his book ‘Schmoozing With Terrorists’??

    He had much the same sort of experience as our Mr Tim Marshall. Indeed, if Tim hasn’t read Mr Klein’s book, he ought to.

    http://www.jpost.com/Magazine/Books/Article.aspx?id=94216

    “A Jewish journalist interviews terrorists [that is, sharia-pushing Mohammedthugs – dda] throughout the Middle East. The result is surprising…

    “Once Islam dominates America, anyone living inside must abide by our rules. There is no choice. You don’t like it? Too bad. Go somewhere else and go to hell.”

    ‘Gems such as this abound in American journalist Aaron Klein’s book, which details his many one-on-one interviews with wanted terrorists.

    ‘They brag. They threaten.

    ‘They explain that their goal isn’t so much to kill Jews (though they aren’t shy about declaring that “the Jews are corrupting humanity on earth… they should be removed”) as it is to please Allah by sacrificing their lives to further the spread of Islam.

    ‘And they do go on about what a world under Islam will be like.

    ‘Britney Spears and Madonna? Beheaded.

    ‘Music? Forbidden.

    ‘Islamic dress? Mandatory for everyone…

    ‘…How refreshing to hear terrorists debunking with their own words such mealy-mouthed Western canards as “ignorance and poverty make them do it,” “they act only out of desperation” or “they are merely defending themselves against occupation.”

    ‘ Klein provides many examples of these people’s shaky grasp of such basic concepts as truth, fairness and innocence, and of how a belief system that deems thinking itself a sin can come to dominate its adherents so thoroughly that there really is no possibility of reasoning with many of them…’

    The reviewer says, of the spectacle of Orthodox Jewish Klein bearding the jihadists in their dens:

    ‘It’s like watching a mouse interviewing a series of snakes.”

    ‘And perhaps that very novelty explains why Klein is still alive, and why so often his subjects dropped many of the polished lies and half truths they usually feed the media.

    ‘Klein notes that “a lot of the Palestinian [sic: local Arab Muslim – dda] leaders I met were somewhat fascinated at the prospect of meeting a Jewish reporter. For many, I was the first Jew they’d ever knowingly interacted with.”

    And for more on Klein, see another Jerusalem Post article, ‘One on One: Out of the Mouths of Bombers’.

    http://www.jpost.com/Features/Article.aspx?id=107900

    Blum: ‘What makes terrorists tick?

    Klein: ‘That’s a good question. A lot of people think that terrorism is about pieces of territory – that Hizbullah just wants to get the Shaba Farms back, for example.

    ‘Others think that Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the whole rest of the alphabet of Palestinian terrorists simply want to destroy Israel or that al-Qaida wants America out of the Middle East.

    ‘But one thing that has really been driven home to me in all my talks with terrorists – which is the thesis of all of my work – is that they are looking to serve Allah by spreading Islam around the world. That’s what makes them tick…’.

    (In other words, as John Roy Carlson saw way back in 1947-48, it’s all about ‘Islam, Islam, Uber Alles’., the intoxicating dream of Total World Domination.)
    More
    (Klein again)

    ‘And I always find that terrorists are very proud of their goals and ideology, unlike the [western – dda] media that report on them.

    ‘Talk to any terrorist and he’ll be very open about his aim to destroy Israel as a stepping stone to achieving his ultimate goal of spreading Islam across the world…”.