"The Americans had convinced themselves that they could trust their Afghan colleagues"

That trust comes from fundamental erroneous views about the nature of Islam, its teachings, its relationship to "Islamism," and a great deal more. But no one is addressing that, or is likely to do so. "AP IMPACT: An insider attack: Trust cost 2 lives," by Robert Burns for the Associated Press, December 4 (thanks to Anne Crockett):

WASHINGTON (AP) — It was a sneak attack, but not by the enemy they feared.

U.S. Army Capts. Joshua Lawrence and Drew Russell were inside a small command post on an Afghan army base, wrapping up a long day of coordinating the safe arrival of nearly 100 Afghan religious and tribal leaders for a peace conference at a nearby palace.

Darkness had fallen.

Some of their fellow soldiers had retired for the evening. Two stood guard.

All seemed well.

But as several soldiers sprawled on nearby cots, playing cards, the calm collapsed catastrophically at 9:27 p.m.

An exploding grenade shattered the stillness, followed in seconds by bursts of gunfire. Before any of the Americans could raise a hand to defend themselves, Lawrence was dead from a bullet to the head, and Russell was dying, shot three times in the back.

They were not killed by the Taliban, as the U.S.-led military coalition indicated the day after the Oct. 8, 2011, assault. Lawrence, 29, of Nashville, Tenn., and Russell, 25, of Scotts, Mich., were killed in what U.S. investigators later called a "calculated and coordinated" attack by Afghan soldiers entrusted to work alongside their U.S. partners.

This is the first published account of the attack and is based on internal Army records and interviews in the U.S. and Afghanistan.

For Russell's family, the anguish is still fresh. His father, Jim, said the loss was even harder to accept after learning from the Army's investigation report early this year that it was a supposed ally, not the Taliban, who killed his son.

"It wasn't like a battle, you know. He pretty much got ambushed," he said, pausing at length to settle his emotions. "That makes it difficult."

On that moonlit Saturday evening, Russell was the designated "battle captain," or duty officer, in the command center. Lawrence worked beside him as a plans officer. Both were members of the 4th Infantry Division's 2nd "Warhorse" Brigade. They deployed to Afghanistan in June 2011. Lawrence had married just one week before leaving; the honeymoon was to wait until he returned home.

The Associated Press learned details of the attack from formerly secret Army investigation records obtained through the Freedom of Information Act. The Army removed substantial portions of the documents to protect what it called properly classified information as well as the identities of most people involved. The AP established some identities on its own.

The investigation — a standard process in a war zone — found that security at the U.S.-Afghan command post was so relaxed that guards were not told to check anyone entering. Potential Afghan thievery, not treachery, was judged the chief threat. Thus the killers had unfettered access and moved about without arousing suspicion.

Only 10 designated Afghan security personnel were supposed to be in the compound, but U.S. guards were given no access roster. Unknown numbers "freely entered and exited the compound unchecked," an Army investigator found.

The Americans had been told to treat the Afghans as if they were mingling in Iron Horse Park, a recreation area on their home base, Fort Carson, Colo., according to a staff sergeant who was present but whose name is blacked out on his sworn statement to investigators.

The Americans had convinced themselves, 10 years into a war whose successful outcome depended on empowering local security forces, that they could trust their Afghan colleagues. That was a deadly miscalculation in this instance and dozens more in the months that followed as growing numbers of Afghan troops turned their guns on their coalition partners.

As the attacks mounted this year, U.S. officials in Kabul and Washington insisted these were "isolated incidents." They routinely withheld details and, until pressed by the AP, did not publicly disclose attacks in which coalition troops were wounded but not killed.

At least 63 coalition troops — mostly Americans — have been killed, by the AP's count, and more than 85 wounded in at least 46 insider attacks so far this year. That's an average of nearly one attack a week. In 2011, 21 insider attacks killed 35.

The attack that killed Lawrence and Russell in the southern city of Kandahar was the 17th of 2011. Breaking it down in detail shows how easily it can be done....

LeVan told investigators that the day after the attack he and other soldiers encountered an Afghan soldier who "gave us a vibe that he wished we were killed."

There is much more. Read it all.

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One of the wounded lives in my community...He returned home last month in a wheel chair...Shot five times by a 'friend'...He's twenty years old...He got a hero's welcome by several hundred people in the park...

Oh dear. What happened to the navigation links "Prev", "Home" and "Next" that were at the end of the blog posts and before the comments?

In order to go to the next post, now I have to go back to the main page and click on the next post's comments in order to follow the discussion.

Am I missing something? Thanks, gang.

Same problem here. And what's with having to sign in every day?

So for, on and off, for ten years this ambushing has been a problem. And yes, most of the time there haven't been attacks but that doesn't mean that another one won't happen again.

Somewhere, somehow, someone has a flat learning curve about who is a true friend and who is a frenemy. I'm not talking about the people on the ground. I'm saying that the people above, far removed from the day to day reality of our service men and women.

Before giving away too much trust people should understand that there is a doctrine of Islam which is called Taqiya. Which is the use of deception, which is looked on as a good thing as long as it is done for the good of Islam. So a Muslim who is also a jihadist, even a stealth jihadist may be very disingenus to a non-Muslim and still be a good follower of Islam. This is viewed by other Muslims as the right thing do as long as it's for Islam. In other words, They really know how to dissimulate.

Check out:

"Watch the Sami Zaarari-David Wood Debate “Is Islam a Threat to Society?”"

http://www.antisharia.com/2012/12/05/watch-the-sami-zaarari-david-wood-debate-is-islam-a-threat-to-society/

AND ALSO

"The Literary Masterpiece “The Man who Calculated”,about a Christian Girl and an Ex-Muslim"

http://www.antisharia.com/2012/07/09/the-literary-masterpiece-the-man-who-calculatedabout-a-christian-girl-and-an-ex-muslim/

"This is viewed by other Muslims as the right thing do as long as it's for Islam."

Reminds me of another "right-thing-to-do-as-long-as-it's-for-Islam"!!!

http://crossmuslims.blogspot.ca/2012/07/wide-anus-for-allah-anus-large-pour.html

Not OT.

Was listening to radio commentary viz the guy who pushed the other guy onto the train tracks and it was said that, if someone starts to be belligerent at a train station, just stand there and take the abuse, lest one be shoved onto the tracks and... perish.

My reaction, predictably, is this: nobody is required to stand anywhere on this freakin' planet and let someone push them around.

In the case of these Afghan assholes, and I mean the millions of them, not just the shooters, we need to push them first and hard until they figure out that if they so much as raise their voice to the US, we will crush them to dust and piss on their graves.

Doo-dah, doo-dah...

"Potential Afghan thievery, not treachery, was judged the chief threat."

Must have been a Muslim judge...

Ladies and gentlemen

do please click on the link and read the original story: because it has Comments.

More than 3000 comments.

And although the taqiyya artists and the dhimmis and the clueless are out there in force, there are a *lot* of people who are on exactly the same page as us.

Go have a read and add some of your own.

I think I see the shift beginning, just beginning: toward a healthy Infidel American scepticism toward *any* smiling, plausible, gesturing, taqiyya-spouting Mohammedan, no matter how pretty she looks in her hijab and no matter how spuriously impressive he may look in his white robe or his nice three-piece suit.

Pursuant to my posting above.

A sample from the Comments to this AP article.

One 'Al Jolson' remarks, succinctly, "Muslim = trust? Not me."

Joe Public is starting to catch on.

And here's another American Infidel, in that same Comments stream to the AP article, who has done his homework, and can put 2 and 2 together to make 4.

MARIO M "Never trust a muslim, never turn your back to them, never invite them to your house, never expect that they will be your friend. It is in their book the unholy quram [sic]".

His spelling of Quran is out (probably a typo), but he gets 10 out of 10 for having grasped Islam 101.

Another one from out of that flurry of 3000+ Comments to that AP article.

Commenter 'JDP' wrote:

"I have a friend that was in Iraq for two tours.

" He said you could not trust any of the native guys at all. He said you never wanted to go on patrol with any of them because they would invariably lag behind and then you would be looking over your shoulder constantly wondering what was going on.

"He lost three men in his command. All were under dubious circumstances.

"Afghanistan is of no strategic value. It is a country stuck in the 13th century. We need to get out."

The soldiers who survive Afghanistan - and I'll *bet*, the soldiers who survived combat tour in Iraq and Somalia - are the soldiers who figured out rule #1, which is also rule # 2: 'Never Trust A Muslim' (and Never Turn Your Back On A Muslim).

And they are talking to their friends, when they get home - to people like JDP, who are prepared to believe them, and draw the logical conclusion.

The tide is turning, alright.

With painful, painful slowness.

But it *is* turning, despite all the fools and tools and the naively idealistic.

and yet another who has put 2 and 2 together.

One 'P' observed: "And this surprises anyone because??? Seriously, there is NO peace with Islam. There will NEVER be peace with Islam. Islam COMMANDS that everyone who refuses Islam be humiliated and killed."

I will note, moreover, that when I last looked, this comment by 'P' had got 13 'likes' and only 2 'dislikes'.

Yet more commonsense from the Comments over at AP.

'Chuck' said:

" I spent 7 years in the Middle East, 5 in Saudi Arabai, 2 in Kuwait, and 6 weeks in Israel. The ONLY FRIENDS we have in that part of the world are the Israelis.

"Get a English translation of the Koran and you will find that it green lights Muslims to lie to infidels, that's us, but not to fellow rag heads.

BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW AND CUT ALL, I SAY ALL FOREIGN AID!"

and someone else is seeing the *big* picture:

'John' said - And WHAT are we going to do about the Muslims living 'peacefully' side-by-side with us here in the States???

To which one 'Deee' naively replied - "They're Americans"

and then 'John' shot back at her:

"@Deee. Don't fool yourself at your own peril. They're Muslims, and that's it. Just ask them."


Conclusion: it may sometimes seem, to those inclined to be pessimistic, that nothing much has changed over the 9 years that Mr Spencer has been working away here at jihadwatch, alongside others less well known with other websites and forums, and the years that many here have spent in talkbacks, conversations, letters to the editor, you-name-it.

But I think that it *is* starting to have an effect.

There is no question whatever that the Afghan "Partners in Peace" could be trusted, just like in the past.

To work out what has changed, if any -

just read a copy of the book:


A Journal the disasters in Affghanistan 1841-2

By Lady (Florentia Wynch) Sale

It is apparently in the public domain and freely downloadable from http://books.google.com/

at:
http://books.google.com/books?id=tVX5HAAACAAJ&dq=A+Journal+of+the+disasters+in+Afghanistan&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_322UMrqLMmQhQfov4HADA&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAw

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