"This ridiculous haggling over [Fort Hood jihad mass murderer's] beard is part of the general policy of the U.S. government not to offend Muslims"

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More on the latest manifestation of the dhimmitude that has overtaken the military at the highest levels. "Why Fort Hood shooter still awaits trial 3 years later," by Jack Minor for WorldNetDaily, December 25:

A new judge in the case of Nidal Hasan, who’s accused of screaming “Allahu Akbar” and gunning down fellow soldiers at Fort Hood, has decided to ignore an Army regulation.

Col. Tara Anderson, replacing Col. Gregory Gross as judge, said that although the Army requires Hasan to be clean-shaven, she would not challenge Hasan’s decision to disobey the regulation.

“I’m not going to hold that against you,” Anderson told Hasan.

The beard is just one of many instances in the case in which the military has relinquished authority.

Hasan, a major and Army psychiatrist at Fort Hood, is accused of walking into the Soldier Readiness Center of the base Nov. 5, 2009, and opening fire on his fellow soldiers. Thirteen died and nearly 30 more were injured.

The attack stopped after Hasan himself was shot and paralyzed.

A survivor reported Hasan shouted “Allahu Akbar,” or “Allah is greatest,” a phrase commonly uttered by jihadists prior to carrying out an attack. The Fort Hood attack was the worst shooting on an American military base.

Hasan had been on federal officials’ radar screen for at least six months prior to the shooting over postings he made on the Internet. He likened a suicide bomber who kills women and children to a soldier who throws himself on a grenade to give his life in a “noble cause.”

Intelligence officials also intercepted at least 18 emails between Hasan and the radical American-born cleric Anwar al-Awlaki. Hasan told al-Awlaki in one of the emails, “I can’t wait to join you” in paradise. He also asked al-Awlaki whether it was appropriate to kill innocents in a suicide attack, when jihad was acceptable and how to transfer funds without attracting government notice....

In July, the wrinkle over Hasan’s beard developed. During his time in the Army he was clean shaven. However, now that he was in jail for allegedly killing his fellow soldiers, Hasan claimed he has the right to wear a beard, in direct contradiction of Army regulations which require a soldier to be clean shaven unless there is a medical reason.

Hasan told Gross, the judge then hearing the case: “Your honor, in the name of almighty Allah, I am a Muslim. I believe that my religion requires me to wear a beard.”

Gross ruled that despite his claim, Hasan did not have a religious right to wear a beard and must shave it off. However, he would not enforce his ruling until after Hasan had exhausted all of his appeals.

Earlier this month, an Army appeals court took the unusual step of removing Gross from the case. The U.S Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces announced in its ruling it was removing Gross because he showed an appearance of bias in his treatment of Hasan.

However, the court refused to rule on the merits of Hasan’s claim, stating that if the new judge found it to be an issue, Hasan could start the appeals process all over again, which could delay the trial for months, or even years.

“Should the next military judge find it necessary to address (Hasan’s) beard, such issues should be addressed and litigated anew,” the judges wrote in their ruling.

On Dec. 18, Osborn once again affirmed that Hasan was violating Army regulations by sporting his beard. However, she has also indicated Hasan will not be facing any consequences for violating military regulations.

At the hearing, Osborn asked Hasan if he understood that by wearing the beard he was in violation of Army grooming standards. Hasan responded, “Yes.”

“I’m not going to hold that against you, but some people on the panel may have issues,” she said....

“If he were not a Muslim and murdered 13 people in cold blood he would long since have been tried and convicted by now,” said Robert Spencer, founder of Jihad Watch. “This ridiculous haggling over his beard is part of the general policy of the United States government not to offend Muslims and accommodate them in every way possible.”

Spencer went on to say the Army’s deference to Hasan on the beard issue is particularly appalling because it was his own piety that led him to kill his fellow soldiers.

“This accommodation is particularly unconscionable because Hasan said he has to have the beard because of his Muslim faith. But he also by his own account murdered 13 people because of his Muslim faith,” Spencer noted. “Because of this why should we be giving him any accommodation because of his faith? This would be like making sure a Nazi guard at a concentration camp in prison was later supplied with a copy of Mein Kampf along with a swastika emblem.”

Some have questioned why Hasan had no problems being clean shaven before the shooting and why it only became an issue recently. Spencer explained the reason is Hasan wants to make himself a martyr in the eyes of the Muslim world.

“The martyr goes into paradise in the condition in which they die. A beard is a sign of a Muslim’s piety, and if he doesn’t have it, it is a serious mark against him,” Spencer explained. “He will consider himself to be an Islamic martyr if he is executed for his crimes or even if he dies in prison for his crimes. This is why he has attempted to plead guilty on several occasions.”

Under military law, an individual is not allowed to plead guilty in any case involving the death penalty.

The American court system has increasingly been granting deference to Muslims during legal proceedings....

While rising in the presence of judges has been a centuries-old tradition, an appeals court laid aside the tradition in deference to a Muslim woman charged with funding a Somali terrorist organization.

Amina Farah Ali refused to rise during multiple court appearances despite being warned by Minnesota Judge Michael Davis that she was required to do so. Ali said that because Muhammed told his followers they did not need to stand in his presence, she did not need to honor the judge by standing. Davis subsequently issued her contempt citations.

But an appeals court overturned the citations, stating that requiring Ali to rise in the presence of the judge “substantially burdens the free exercise of religion” for her.

Spencer says the appeals court ruling is actually a ruling against the authority of judges over Muslims in the American legal system.

“Muslims such as Ali don’t stand for the judge because they don’t accept the validity of American law. By allowing it, the court is undercutting its own authority and giving credibility to the proposition that they really don’t have jurisdiction in the very case they are trying.”

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“Muslims such as Ali don’t stand for the judge because they don’t accept the validity of American law. By allowing it, the court is undercutting its own authority and giving credibility to the proposition that they really don’t have jurisdiction in the very case they are trying.”

Doesn't that equates to Sharia over American Law for the Muslims? I don't see it in any other way.

There is one advantage if this case drags on a while, the attorneys are making a case full of bucks. Most of it is probably Islamic money that is getting wasted on this SOB who is guilty as sin.

The media, the Obama regime and the judiciary are complicit in this.

They don't want this trial and they want to drag it into infinity. The same with the Gimo apes; none of them is being tried, and none of them will be tried under an Obama administration.

As for Muslims not standing for the judge because they don’t accept the validity of American law, that's hogwash.

They can easily be made to comply, heavy fines or removal from the courtroom, or even jail for not complying with the law of the land.

This is monkey business. It shows that there is no political will at all to flush this Islamic excrement down the toilet.

"they strain the gnat and swallow the camel". ~BIBLE

who does he think he is? OJ?

They should slice off his beard and neck while they are about it.

They should slice off his beard and neck while they are about it.

It'll be years before he is convicted, and centures before justice is carried out with his execution. If ever. Reason being...Precisly what Sheik yer'mami mentioned above. Berry O. just won't let it happen under "his watch". I can just hear him. What a puke.

It has been stated before, but I will state it again; islam is a political ideology that wears religion as a beard. Until it is recognized as a political ideology rather than a religion, we will NEVER be able to properly deal with it!

Does anyone know whether it is, generally speaking, compulsory for a Muslim male to have a beard? I know that it is the Sunna of Muhammad to have a beard, but does that make it optional or is it compulsory? I am aware that being clean shaven is allowed whenever a Muslim is attempting to appear more Western in order to advance a hidden Islamic agenda that would benefit Islam.

Hasan told Gross, the judge then hearing the case: “Your honor, in the name of almighty Allah, I am a Muslim. I believe that my religion requires me to wear a beard.” So, does Islam "require" Hasan to wear a beard or not?

"A beard is a sign of a Muslim’s piety, and if he doesn’t have it, it is a serious mark against him,” Spencer explained. Robert, would you please clarify this, or any knowledgeable readers like to clarify this point? Is a beard compulsory or not?

Is a beard compulsory or not?
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U.S. citizen Nidal Hasan willingly joined the U.S. Army. He was not conscripted or forced. We now know why.

The question is this: Does the U.S. military and its courts have the power to enforce the laws by which Major Hasan agreed to be bound? Whether his religion demands a beard is irrelevent.

While many judges here are not worth rising before (most notably this sad example of the female sex), Muslims and any others who refuse to stand should be tried in absentia.

"But he also by his own account murdered 13 people because of his Muslim faith,” Spencer noted.
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With respect, Robert, we need to get the facts exactly correct.

14 people died that day - not 13 - one of the female victims was pregnant at the time.

Thank you for your response, but while I agree with everything you said, you did not answer my central question, "is a beard compulsory or not?"

When I hear this I imagine a christian or jew or atheist killing 13 people in Saudi Arabia and refusing to take off his cross or some other wear by court order (if there would be a court) for religious reasons. You can't imagine that right? What is wrong with America? Why are we loosing the fight against Islam when we have no reason to loose. I can't find words to express my disgust with Obama and his liberals.

I couldn't agree more! If you really want to get disgusted, check out this excellent documentary about Obama and the Progressives in America which chronicles their agenda for the rest of us!

"Agenda: Grinding America Down"
http://vimeo.com/52009124

Or you can go to the following website and view the trailer and other items associated with the movie.
http://agendadocumentary.com/

I couldn't agree more! If you really want to get disgusted, check out this excellent documentary about Obama and the Progressives in America which chronicles their agenda for the rest of us!

"Agenda: Grinding America Down"
http://vimeo.com/52009124

Or you can go to the following website and view the trailer and other items associated with the movie.
http://agendadocumentary.com/

Is a beard compulsory or not for Muslims, you ask.

The so-called prophet had a beard, he had a 9 year old wife, he ordered the murder of critics, he said that apostates should be murdered, too -- so, if a Muslim alive today does any or all of these things, he is imitating the 'prophet'(the act of imitation is called Sunna) and this is believed to be a good thing.

It's a bit like the Christmas game 'Simon Says', but add explosives, kalashnikivs, racist hatred of the Jews and hatred of women.

yes you are right and Hassan knows this too and he is laughing at the stupidity of this judge.

@hellbat, Wow, that "Agenda,The Grinding of America" video you linked is troubling yet there is a sliver of hope. I just wrote about 2,000 words and deleted, too messy. Apologies to others because this might be a seemingly off topic post but isn't.

Major Pain/Hassan won't get much more than the Monty Python Comfy Chair because Obama has shown his true colors. Doesn't matter much anymore where he was born or what he has said because everything he says are lies, tearing down the consi8tution, families, military through ROE's and homosexuality, his ideology on the EPA and taxing CO2 etc, and rules and regs that are so nonsensical or evil he only needs one name and one name only,"The Usurper of Good."

Hassan should be killed period. Every day he lives proves Obama will do nothing but show all our enemies he's not just in charge but demands subservience and worse. He's evil so we must pray; nothing else can work unless the followers of the constitution really begin to fight back.

I could go on and on, but need to stop the diatribe because i cannot hit all the points zinging off the inside of the old cranium, with love/oheve,ck the infidel

Buraq wrote, in reply and in part:

"...racist hatred of the Jews..."

With much respect, it's not "racist" hatred of the Jews - it's sacrilized, institutionalized Jew-hatred, and that is because Judaism is not a race any more than Islam is a race.

By the by...hope you had a nice Xmas, and I wish you a Happy New Year, and I want you to wish me a "Happy Birthday!" on the 30th of this month, okee dokee? LOL :)

Hellbat44 wrote:

Does anyone know whether it is, generally speaking, compulsory for a Muslim male to have a beard? I know that it is the Sunna of Muhammad to have a beard, but does that make it optional or is it compulsory?
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Hellbat, there are several Hadiths enjoining Muslims to wear beards:

Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said, "Cut the moustaches short and leave the beard (as it is)."
—Bukhari 7:781

Narrated AbuHurayrah: The Messenger of Allah said: Trim closely the moustache, and grow beard, and thus act against the fire-worshippers.
—Muslim

Here's one warning against men who don't wear beards, who are to be considered false Muslims:

Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri: The Prophet said, "There will emerge from the East some people who will recite the Qur'an but it will not exceed their throats and who will go out of (renounce) the religion (Islam) as an arrow passes through the game, and they will never come back to it unless the arrow, comes back to the middle of the bow (by itself) (i.e., impossible)." The people asked, "What will their signs be?" He said, "Their sign will be the habit of shaving (of their beards)."
—Bukhari 9:651

And then, of course, there is emulating the "Perfect man"—the "Prophet" Muhammed—who is pretty much universally acknowledged to have worn a beard.

Several major schools of Islamic law—Hanafi, Maliki, Hanbali and Shafi—stipulate Muslim men growing a beard.

Muslims in general, including Muslim "scholars", are in disagreement as to whether this conclusively means that it is obligatory for a Muslim to grow a beard.

Of course, that doesn't mean that many Jihadists won't kill for it, any way.

Here's an article from the BBC that might shed some light on the subject:

"Are beards obligatory for devout Muslim men?"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10369726

The bigger reason is why the hell should we care? You cannot wear a beard in today's military, and anyone joining knows that.

And this doesn't just apply to Muslims—no Amish man could wear a beard, either, nor could a Hassidic Jew wear sidelocks.

My husband is bearded—his is neatly trimmed, like Robert Spencer's or Mark Steyn's, not some ragged Muslim monstrosity—but he knows he would have to shave were he to join the military.

I wear my hair waist-length—if I were to join the service, I'm well aware I'd have to cut my hair regulation-length.

Hasan didn't wear a beard when he was on active duty.

This is just another case of Muslims trying to impose Islamic norms on Infidel institutions—in this case, the military and the courts.

They should either forcibly shave him or eject him from the courtroom, and let him watch his own trial from closed-circuit television.

I really don't care which approach they take, but he should not be allowed to present himself in that courtroom with *any* breach of army protocol.

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