U.S. says Pakistan's spy service has immunity from prosecution for Mumbai jihad mass murders

Immunity or no immunity, free people will never forget Mumbai. And sooner or later, this administration is going to pay a heavy price.

http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/06/never-forget-mumbai.html

Two questions:

1. How did the USA slide into a moral abyss?

2. Why did we elect a ill-equipped radical who only knows how to dig us deeper into the moral abyss?

Can I assume this is a suit for tort damages? Are the powers of discovery of a US court intended to pry open secrets kept by the intelligence service of a sovereign polity?

Sympathy for the victims not withstanding, why is a US courtroom a valid venue for a suit of malfeasance allegedly committed by a sovereign state on the other side of the planet?

You see, those Mumbai terror attacks were carried out by extremist terrorists, as opposed to the more moderate ones that we must deal with.
Pakistan is a lot like Dante's Inferno in that there are various levels, or circles, of Hell. In the inner circle we have Al Qaeda, where Osama Bin Laden resides. Next is the bad Taliban, as opposed to the less bad Taliban which may yet prove useful in Afghanistan.
The circles continue until you get to mundane things like the Red Mosque.
The ISI is effectively Satan, as the overall manager of it all.
When we give aid to Pakistan, we are giving the Devil His due.

The spy chief is a CIA operative.

The PakSpooks launch a jihad op that leaves 166 people dead and several Jews viciously, sexually butchered -- and Barry Hussein says they "enjoy" immunity.

Some emo punk whacks his mom and the kids she was devoting time to (thus depriving him of said attention) -- and Barry Hussein whips up hysteria against American gun owners.

"One way or another, this darkness got to give."

-- The Grateful Dead

Dear Jihad Wath

This is disappointing but not surprising. Once again; when faced with a choice of supporting a USA ally and a democracy or that of an Islamic jihad-supporting cesspool of a nation... the Obama administration once again chooses the jihad supporting cesspool

Pakistan has been chosen over India.

India, as part of the British empire was allied with the West during WWI & WWII. Yes, I know Pakistan was not yet a separate nation yet... but the muslim factions and Islamic regions in India were among those the most resistant to helping the British during these wars. We all know what those regions in India eventually became.

Since independence, India has continued being plurastic and tolerant of different faiths- Hindu, Muslim, Sihk, Jainist, Buddhist, Christian, etc. There is still a population of Indian Jews (5,000 +) in the area of Kochin. The Indian Jews have existed in India for thousands of years.

Now compare Pakistan who in the years since independence from India- has waged war against the Pakistani Hindus, Christians and other groups to the point where those populations are on the verge of totally vanishing.

India is democracy with a vibrant and growing economy and Western allied perspective. India is any ally to the USA. Freedoms and pluralism is the norm in India. In Pakistan? The rise in sharia induced strangulation of personal liberties- hindu children are kidnapped and forced into child marriages, buddhist temples destroyed, disabled Christian children are "set-up" to be blasphemers against Islam and then face a possible death penalty... Pakistan is a cesspool.

Pakistan who knowingly protected Osama Bin-Laden, murderer of thousands of Americans. Pakistan who tortures and imprisons their own citizen who helped America find Bin-Laden. Pakistan who is a nuclear power and has their missiles pointing at one billion Indians and then India has their own weapon system pointed at that inbred cesspool nation.

This is what America officially supports- Pakistan.

India has given America immigrants who have under the American dream became shop owners, businessmen, scientific professionals, entertainers and elected politicians. Whether its the current Republican Governor of Louisiana (Jindal)or the late Columbia astronaut Kalpana Chawla... they are part of our melting pot.

Pakistani Islamadoodles have done what for us? Worse yet- look at the pedophile sex rings and rape gangs that Pakistanis have established in the British Isles... horrific.

When the Columbia disaster happened... muslims the world over celebrated in the streets. Among the brave people who perished in that spacecraft was Ilan Ramon- the first Israeli astronaut. The muslim population centers rejoiced in the street at the death of this Israeli Jew (this brave astronaunt, IDF pilot, son, husband and father).

The muslims also danced and chanted something else other than their glee over the dead Israeli. Kalpana Chawla- was an Indian of Hindu background living in America. Both India and the USA claimed this very smart and pretty woman- a NASA astronaut no less.

Muslims in Pakistan revelled in the death of Miss Chawla just as they did about her fellow astronaut Ramon. Subhuman monsters the Pakistanis.

The attack in Mumbai is just one of thousands and thousands of attacks that India has faced from Islamadoodles over the millenia.

Who does the administration of Barack Obama support? Who do they side with? The Obama administration supports Islamic Pakistan over India in this horrific act of slaughter.

I recently had a relative return from an extended trip in India. She was delighted and amazed over this beautiful nation. She met Indians of all sorts of skin colors and relgiious faiths. One group however, wasn't so nice. One group she overheard the tour guides and tour planners mention... to make sure to keep the tour group (Americans, British, Australians and South/Latin Americans)away from as much as possible. Can we guess what group that was?

When my relative finally came back home she spoke to her travel agent about what she overheard. The travel agent admitted that she purposefully arranged for the tourists to avoid as much contact with muslims in India as possible... for the safety of the tour group and her agency's customers. The travel agent admitted to their being "incidences" with foreign tourists who encounter too many muslims.

What sorrow over those poor victims of the Mumbai attacks especially the predatory murders of the rabbi and his family at the Chabad house.

We America, officially sides with Pakistan over India. May India forgive us.

Arjay, agree with you completely. The fight for good over bad is completely upside down. I have been hoping for years for a turnaround in the juhad to occur but, unfortunately, it appears the opposite is happening.

French President Francois Hollande has acknowledged the “unjust” and “brutal” nature of France’s occupation of Algeria for 132 years, but stopped short of apologizing for the past as many Algerians have demanded.

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Youssef

Sanjay,

This is a real longshot, but any chance you are the Sanjay I know from Tunica?

Jake

Accusing whites for everything people hate is very stupid. I don't have to be white to say it. To jump into this stupid conclusion is to prove that one is total isolated from the whites or other race. You have to be total segregated to be that stupid and ignorant.

The ISI backed a lot of terrorists the Taliban, al Qaeda, paki Islamic terrorists. It's a shame that Obama thinks the ISI should get away with impunity. There isn't any justification for that.

A point of law.

Has a national court in India found the ISI or one of it's leaders guilty in the Mumbai Massacre? If not then the NY court ruling of immunity is entirely valid. Under US law you can't prosecute government entities over accusations. You must first have a criminal conviction.

Sorry this is basic Western law, otherwise the US govt. would have to defend itself for every tin foil nutjob lawsuit that is brought before a judge somewhere in the world.

/yes I have no doubt ISI was involved, but proof and criminal convictions before it is a statement of fact.

The US Justice Dept affidavit will be taken into consideration by the Fed Ct, but it will not be determinative on whether long arm personal jurisdiction attaches to the ISI, its chiefs, and others, or separately, whether the individual defendants have immunity based upon the claim the conduct giving rise to liabilty occurred with the scope of their governmental employment.

It's hard to see how personal jurisdiction could attach in a US ct to Pakistani citizens for acts committed entirely in Pakistan. Even if personal jurisdiction was found to exist and a judgment was ultimately awarded to plaintiffs, no Pakistani court is likely to enforce such a judgment.

However, it seems ironic that no US officials (including the POTUS) are being tried in Pakistan court for damages arising from the death of OBL and his family caused by US Navy seals and committed in Pakistan territory. If no such lawsuit has been permitted in Pakistan, it suggests a tradeoff.

Committing acts of treason every day, committing acts of treason in every way...

Rasool Obama is setting records...

Don't blame me, I voted for Roseanne Barr...
Well not really, but I might as well have...
Would Roseanne support our enemies and give them aid and comfort?

A point of law.

Has a national court in India found the ISI or one of it's leaders guilty in the Mumbai Massacre? If not then the NY court ruling of immunity is entirely valid. Under US law you can't prosecute government entities over accusations. You must first have a criminal conviction.

Sorry this is basic Western law, otherwise the US govt. would have to defend itself for every tin foil nutjob lawsuit that is brought before a judge somewhere in the world.

/yes I have no doubt ISI was involved, but proof and criminal convictions before it is a statement of fact.

How funny Sanjay, who is an Indian, would talk about white "supremacism" as if it is a feature inherent in the white race.

Sanjay belongs to civilization and culture which with its cast system is the most racist society in the world. The lighter the Indian the higher the social status he is born to and the less chance he will mix with the darker ones. Marriage between the "white" and "black" Indian practically doesn't exist - and, of course, not because a black Indian would not have it.
I had some American black acquaintances who told me they have never felt more, unfriendliness and aloofness than in India. I myself heard Indians in Europe telling most disgusting jokes about blacks. The Indians and Pakistanis may not love each other, but there is one thing they have in common - their profound contempt, even hate toward anyone with darker skin - ask anyone who lived in Africa some 25 years ago in the time it had very big Indian and Paki population.

Sanjay is engaged in a massive projection here. Maybe he should instead attend to the psychological complexes that lie behind it.

"Polio workers speak out on Pakistan attacks"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20799518

"U.S. says Pakistan's spy service has immunity from prosecution for Mumbai jihad mass murders"

This may sound strange, I think Obama did a deal with the Pakies to prepare for the exit from Afghanstan. Pakies have an upper hand in that part of the World. They are the spy masters of Talibans. If they can keep a tight rein on talibans till our exit we will reduce the number of casualties on both sides. The price we pay is we upset Indians. I don't think Indian care much about their country. If they did, the Mombay Massacre would have never took place as the US Embassy gave them ample of warnings about the possible imminent terrorist attack. Indians did nothing about that - we didn't get any thank you letter from the Indian embassy here.

Who is prejudice Sanjay?

So, Sanjay: You are "compiling evidence" as you ready yourself to "stand up to" white people in a country which many of your people have chosen to live in.

This kind of attitude makes me sure that my misgivings about multiculturalism and letting the world in - and ultimately being minorities in the countries of our ancestors, such as European countries - are valid.

What action are you planning when your evidence is compiled and you are ready to "stand up to" us?

I was talking to an Indian Muslim last night, in a shop. He said Australia is not my country, and we are "all immigrants". I am getting used to this one. Why didn't he choose to live in Pakistan, and tell THEM that Pakistan is "not their country" and everyone there is an immmigrant?

No, it has to be the West.

The man runs a shop. He didn't build the shop, or the road outside, or the public transport system, or the electricity network, or the general freedom and prosperity he insults us by assuming was just all there for us to walk into. My people did. And yet we have to endure daily insults and talk of resentment and revenge by people who CHOOSE and are PERMITTED to live here.

The man hates Jews, by the way. Surprise, surprise.

Sanjay, your comments are needlessly divisive.

(My name is Sanjay too, btw)

Suffice it to say that I think it's the lousy Democrats who are the racists here. They want to rally around their new favorite pet ethnic group, Muslims, at the expense of everybody else, white or non-white. So the pets get all the immunity and privileges, while the rest of us are told to suck it.

The Democrats are selfish turds who are neither loyal to their own countrymen (a number of whom were killed on 26-11), nor loyal to any common principles of ethics or moral decency.

Typical reactions from white people against Sanjay writing truth.

1. "You Indians aka Hindus are worse as you were the first people who brought racism through caste system and untouchability.."

Hindu caste system is neither based on skin color nor race. It is based on paternal lineage from the same race, just as Jews for example have the Cohens and other priestly class.

Caste system is neither based on exploitation as is typical of racism. It is based on purely doing selflessly religious ritual obligations, especially for brAhmins who are strictly required not to even ask for any compensation while doing their duty.

Untouchability is NOT part of Hinduism. Whatever people do may not have necessarily a religious sanction.

However if you take white race history, it is typical that they were known to practice apartheid until 1960s even in USA. It was status quo and is the case until today in USA where blacks live in segregated places in most of major cities. Now blacks visiting India and feeling isolated is no different than Indians visiting US and feeling isolated. I have heard similar complaints from whites in America as well. Cultural differences cause aloofness.

As I see it, in my 10 years of stay in US..white people are in general of majority of them do have racist feelings. I have faced this in job interviews (explicitly and implicitly), in jobs and in strictly friendly or personal relationships, at the least from older generations almost always. Present generation has a mix of 50-50 racists and non-racists. I decided to leave US for good and never return where you cannot be accepted at all.

"This kind of attitude makes me sure that my misgivings about multiculturalism and letting the world in - and ultimately being minorities in the countries of our ancestors, such as European countries - are valid."

So PJG does agree that being minority one loses power and certain privileges, which means the same is being denied of present day minorities in USA. The reality is white people talk about justice and democracy to impose their will on others, but when it comes to themselves losing privileges they forget about the justice part. Thus US has been always supporting terrorism in other countries, like India through proxy as is the case with Pakistan. In 1980s US hardly gave rats ass about Islamic terrorism. Why? since it did not impact them. Infact they supported terrorists openly, despite the fact of knowing they are evil in order to advance their selfish goals. Its clear that white people do not give a fart about justice for others...its only for them...hypocrites..

The objective result of Sanjay's resentment and wild and grandly sweeping generalisations about 'whites' - what does he mean? does he mean *all* persons throughout history, Christian and non-Christian, from a vast swathe of country stretching from Russia to Iceland and from Norway to Sicily, and then more recently in the Americas and Australia - who have ever had lighter coloured hair (though many 'whites', like my own grandmother did, had and have jet-BLACK hair), lighter skin, and (sometimes, though not always, again my grandmother's eyes were black) lighter coloured eyes - as if he thinks they ALL had identical, and presumably uniformly evil and unjust, always and everywhere, beliefs, attitudes, identical behaviours and cultures? really? and they were always and everywhere worse, qua 'whites', than human beings of any other 'colour' or culture, except Muslims from whom they differ in little or nothing - is to Split The Camp.

He is making westerners fearful and suspicious of non-westerners, because of wondering how many other resentful and bitter sanjays may be among them, and he is clearly intending to encourage non-westerners who are thinking of joining the resistance against jihad, to fear and despise 'white' westerners who might be in that same resistance movement, by telling them that 'whites' are inherently - genetically programmed to be that way? - EVIL and NEVER, NEVER, NEVER to be trusted.

Way to go, mate, way to go. Split up the non-Muslim world into warring camps, mutually suspicious and fearful and resentful of each other, each trying to resist jihad on its own...that hasn't worked terribly well for the past 1400 years and I don't see it working in the future, either.

One wonders why he bothers to come here...except, of course, to conduct what objectively one might call 'well poisoning': to tell any and all 'nonwhite' persons who may happen to visit here, that they cannot and must not trust Mr Spencer nor any of the other westerners on this forum...that we are *really*, deep down, all of us, evil wicked racists who hate non-white people and are plotting to do them down.

Incidentally, he got 'Arjay' wrong.

Arjay has declared himself to be of Native American - First Nations - ancestry. 'Red Indian', that is, rather than 'Indian of India'.