Catholic diocese capitulates to Islamic supremacists and Leftist media, cancels Robert Spencer conference appearance

While Christians face escalating persecution from Muslims in Egypt, Nigeria, Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia and elsewhere, the Catholic Church temporizes, ignores the victims, and plays at "dialogue" with Islamic supremacist groups whose announced intent is to "build bridges" with non-Muslims. Such bridges are really just proselytizing mechanisms to convert them to Islam, not an attempt to engage in genuine dialogue: "The chasm between Islam and Jahiliyyah [the society of unbelievers] is great, and a bridge is not to be built across it so that the people on the two sides may mix with each other, but only so that the people of Jahiliyyah may come over to Islam." -- Sayyid Qutb, Milestones, chapter 10.

And so it was that I was scheduled to appear at a Catholic Men's Conference in Worcester, Massachusetts on March 16, until today, when the Roman Catholic Bishop of Worcester, Robert McManus, directed that my appearance be canceled. McManus was under pressure from Islamic supremacist groups who were calling and emailing the diocese demanding that he cancel my appearance. I've been informed that they were asked to call the diocese and demand the cancellation by a Boston Globe reporter named Lisa J. Wangsness, who contacted me this morning and appears to have instigated the entire controversy.

This isn't about me. Robert Spencer will eventually go away, whatever happens. Do Bishop Robert McManus and Lisa J. Wangsness, and the Roman Catholic Church and the mainstream media in general, think that when I go away, their troubles will be over? Do they think that if they make nice with Islamic supremacist groups in the U.S. that Christians will not be persecuted in Muslim countries, and that persecution will not escalate? Do they think that when all the writers and activists who are smeared as "Islamophobes" are finally silenced that a new era of peace and harmony will dawn between the West and the Muslim world?

Such an era will not dawn. When we are silenced, the troubles of the enlightened kuffar who have placed all their hopes in "dialogue" will just be beginning. But when their own turn comes, as it inevitably will, there will be no one left to speak up for them.

Here is my exchange with Lisa Wangsness of the Boston Globe:

1. Wangsness to Spencer:

Message: Hi Mr. Spencer, I am a reporter for the Boston Globe, and I am working on a story about your upcoming speech at the Diocese of Worcester's Catholic Men's Conference. I wanted to ask you about what you plan to talk about and about some of your critics' assessments of your views, which some characterize as hate speech or anti-Muslim bigotry.
This story is for tomorrow's paper, so if there is any way you could
call me back at your earliest convenience I would very much appreciate
it.

Thanks,
Lisa Wangsness 617 543 1272
LWangsness@globe.com

2. Spencer to Wangsness:

There is nothing hateful or bigoted about what I say. My work is in defense of the freedom of speech, the freedom of conscience, and the equality of rights of all people before the law. Islamic supremacist groups like the Hamas-linked Council on American-Islamic Relations make spurious charges of hate speech and anti-Muslim bigotry against anyone and everyone who dares to stand up against the human rights abuses and violence that are justified with reference to Islamic law by those who perpetrate them. It is a cynical tactic designed to fool people and intimidate them away from resisting jihad and Islamic supremacism.
If you have any further questions, I can be reached at this email address.

RS

3. Wangsness to Spencer:

Thanks very much.
Several of those I've spoken with say you lack the credentials to speak with any authority on Islam -- you are not a Muslim, you hold no degrees in Islamic studies and you are not an Arabic speaker. Could you please respond to this?

Thanks again,
Lisa

4. Spencer to Wangsness:

Everything I have written in twelve books on Islam is documented from Muslim sources. No one needs take my word for anything -- they can check it out themselves. What I say about Islam is not unusual or eccentric -- numerous scholars who have the credentials that those you have spoken with require, and many ex-Muslims, have made the same observations about Islamic doctrine that I have. Karen Armstrong and I have both written two books about Muhammad. She is not a Muslim, holds no degrees in Islamic studies and is not an Arabic speaker. Yet they have no problem with her books and would probably recommend them. What is the difference? She paints a warmly positive view of Muhammad whereas I quote the material from the Muslim sources showing him acting violently, counseling warfare against non-Muslims, having his foes murdered, etc. This is material that those you have spoken with would rather not be known. The fact that they demand what they claim are validating credentials from me but do not demand the same from Armstrong indicates that their criticism is not with the accuracy of my work, but is motivated by another agenda. And the fact that they make these spurious arguments about credentials shows that they cannot dispute the accuracy of my work, and so have to make ad hominem attacks instead.

5. Wangsness to Spencer:

Thanks very much.
I wanted to also ask whether it is accurate that you are a member of [redacted] and that you live in [redacted]?

And can you say something about the subject you'll be speaking about in Worcester -- that is, what are your basic views on Islam's view of Christianity?

6. Spencer to Wangsness:

Because of the many death threats I receive from the coreligionists of those with whom you are speaking, I make no public statements about my personal life or place of residence. (Have they spoken out against such violent intimidation?)
I will be elucidating Islam's view of Christianity based on the statements of the Qur'an and Hadith, particularly the Qur'an verses 2:62-65, 5:17, 5:51, 5:72, 5:112-116, 9:29-31, and 61:6.

Also, Lisa, this discussion has centered solely around "bigotry" and credentials. Have you asked those with whom you are speaking about the innocent victims of jihad attacks around the world today? Have you asked them if there is any critic of jihad whom they DON'T find "bigoted" and "lacking in credentials," and if so, why they target ALL of us with these same smears? Have you asked them if there is any criticism of jihad terror and Islamic supremacism that they find acceptable? Have you asked them who among them speaks out against the slaughter of non-Muslims by jihadists in Egypt, Pakistan, Nigeria, Thailand? Have you asked them who among them speaks out against Sharia's institutionalized oppression of women and non-Muslims? Have you asked them who among them speaks out for the apostates from Islam who live under a perpetual death sentence for the crime of exercising their freedom of conscience?

Or is your questioning proceeding solely according to their agenda?

And finally, have you asked the victims of jihad what they think about my work and the work of those with whom you are speaking?

Thanks for your time.

7. Wangsness to Spencer:

Thanks. I think it is fair to say that the ADL and others have quite strenuously condemned violence perpetrated by radical Islamists....

8. Spencer to Wangsness:

The ADL has unwisely ventured into Leftist advocacy politics, spending more time combating friends of Israel on the right rather than enemies of Israel on the left. Its record in this is nothing short of shameful.

Then, almost four hours later:

9. Wangsness to Spencer:

Hi Mr. Spencer, the Diocese tells me they have disinvited you from the conference because of concerns about how your appearance could affect Islamic-Catholic relations locally and nationally. I wanted to see whether you had a response to this development? Thanks very much, Lisa

10. Spencer to Wangsness:

They haven't had the courtesy to tell me. If it does turn out to be true, it is new evidence of the cowardice of Roman Catholic officials in confronting the reality of Muslim persecution of Christians and their inability to grasp the importance basing genuine dialogue between religions on truth, however unpleasant, rather than on wishful thinking and comforting fictions.

11. Wangsness to Spencer:

Ok, thanks....

After speaking to sources who told me that Wangsness asked people to call the diocese and ask that my appearance be canceled, I wrote her this:

12. Spencer to Wangsness:

I'm hearing you were behind this, getting people to call the diocese. How interesting. How does that square with your supposed commitment to objective journalism?

13. Wangsness to Spencer:

I reached out to people to solicit comment on your appearance, but if people called the diocese, they did so on their own. I did not and would not tell anyone to call anyone.

14. Spencer to Wangsness:

That's not what I was told.

And another:

Lisa, please be so kind as to answer these questions for the piece I am writing on this:
1. Whom did you contact in order to get information about me?
2. Whom did you direct to call the Bishop's office?
3. On what basis do you consider their information reliable?
4. At what point do you consider it appropriate for a reporter to cross the line from reporting the news to trying to influence events?
5. Have you ever read the Quran or studied Islam?

Thanks -- I look forward to receiving your answers.

15. Wangsness to Spencer:

I am on deadline at the moment and have referred this to my editors.

16. Spencer to Wangsness:

No problem. If you could just send a complete list of those whom you solicited for comment and asked to call the bishop, I'd be obliged.
I will be most interested to see your piece, particularly in how you describe the organizations I expect you contacted.

17. Wangsness to Spencer:

You can contact my editor, Steve Smith, at stsmith@globe.com or 617 929 3100.

18. Spencer to Steve Smith:

Hi Steve. I am doing a piece on recent events surrounding a talk I was scheduled to give in Massachusetts in March, and particularly on media bias and advocacy for causes and groups masquerading as objective journalism.
In connection with that I am asking for your comment on reports I have received that Lisa J. Wangsness directed people to call the Diocese of Worcester and ask them to have my appearance canceled.

Also, I'd much appreciate it if you or she could answer the following questions that I sent to her earlier (the "you" in them is, of course, Lisa J. Wangsness):

1. Whom did you contact in order to get information about me?
2. Whom did you direct to call the Bishop's office?
3. On what basis do you consider their information reliable?
4. At what point do you consider it appropriate for a reporter to cross the line from reporting the news to trying to influence events?
5. Have you ever read the Quran or studied Islam?

Many thanks and regards
Robert Spencer

No answer from Smith.

Meanwhile, one of the conference organizers sent me a letter that an Islamic supremacist leader in Worcester sent to the Roman Catholic diocese of Worcester:

From: A C DR ASMAL [mailto:acasmal@msn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 2:31 PM

To: david michael; riaz khan; nabeel khudairi; sulieman mohammed; naim assil; naseemakhan@yahoo.com

Cc: Vito nicastro; ray helmick; Jerome maryon; Yusufi vali; Wangsness, Lisa J; diane kessler

Subject: A MATTER OF GRAVE CONCERN

Importance: High

Father David Michael, 1/30/2013
Archdiocese of Boston.

Dear David,

Please see the note from Yusufi Vali who is the current Executive Director of the ISBCC
He has received a note from the Globe that arch-Islamophobe Robert Spencer who masquerades as a Catholic has been invited to talk on Islam at the invitation of the Worcester Archdiocese.

Mr Spencer has a very deep rooted Islamophobia and argues by selective quoting of sacred passages taken totally out of context , and exploits any and every opportunity he gets to link the lunatic act of a Muslim in any part of the world as a direct consequence of Islam.

He is not an academician, nor does he have a modicum of understanding of Islam.

We in the Boston community who have enjoyed such a warm tradition of mutual respect with all our Christian friends both in the Acrhdiocese of Boston and at the Massachusetts Council of Churches are appalled that a person with such reprehensible credentials should be invited to speak to the Catholics in Worcester.

This is an appeal to you through his Eminence Cardinal O'Malley to exercise whatever influence you can to expose Mr Spencer for the hatemonger he is and get his invitation rescinded.

Thank you for your efforts

Abdul Cader Asmal MD
Co-chair of Communications
Islamic Council of New England.

ps I am copying Dr Vito Nicastro, Fr Ray Helmick, and Jerome Maryon Esq all comitted Catholic friends of the Muslim community,as well as Rev Laura Everett at MCC and Rev Dianne Kessler former EX Director of MCC
and Ms Lisa Wangsness at the Boston Globe

I was given no chance to respond to this tissue of libel. The diocese never contacted me. Instead, Raymond Delisle, Spokesman for the Diocese of Worcester, gave this statement to Lisa Wangsness:

Lisa,
Here is a statement from me for your story.

Although the intention of the conference organizers was to have a presenter on Islam from a Catholic’s perspective, we are asking Robert Spencer to not come to the Worcester Catholic Men’s Conference given that his presence is being seen as harmful to Catholic–Islamic relations both locally and nationally.

Raymond Delisle, Spokesman for the Diocese of Worcester

The rapidity and one-sidedness of the diocese's reaction was inexcusable -- I was tried, convicted and executed without evidence, without investigation, and without a moment's thought.

Tell them what you think. Please write to Lisa Wangsness and Steve Smith at the Globe, politely and firmly, deploring her collusion with Islamic supremacist libels and her exhorting people to contact the diocese. Tell them that this is deplorable behavior even by the standards of contemporary journalism, and that Lisa Wangsness should be reprimanded and fired.

And please also contact Raymond Delisle and Bishop McManus, asking that they not capitulate to Islamic supremacist lies, and reinstate my appearance, or at very least give me a fair hearing in a face-to-face meeting (for which I will travel from California or wherever I am when he can meet me to Massachusetts at my own expense to attend).

Lisa Wangsness: LWangsness@globe.com
Steve Smith: stsmith@globe.com

Raymond Delisle: rdelisle@worcesterdiocese.org
Bishop Robert McManus: rmcmanus@worcesterdiocese.org
Diocese of Worcester: 508-791-7171

UPDATE: I received this from Steve Smith of the Globe. It contradicts what I was told by informed sources about Wangsness's activities:

Good evening, Mr. Spencer.
Lisa Wangsness, the Globe’s religion reporter, sought comment on your scheduled appearance from the Diocese of Worcester, local Muslim organizations, and other groups. As you know, she also reached out to you for comment. She was gathering facts and comments for a story on your appearance. She did not direct anyone she interviewed to make calls or send e-mails urging cancellation of your appearance. It is our policy not to discuss work before publication.

Stephen Smith
City editor
Boston Globe

SECOND UPDATE: Jihad Watch reader Charles notes:

Abdul Cader Asmal is a backer of Tarek Mehanna, identified as his “friend and ally” in this article: http://sjlendman.blogspot.com/2011/12/tarek-mehanna-victimized-by-racist.html Other statements of support for Mehanna by Asmal: http://www.boston.com/news/education/higher/articles/2009/03/08/muslim_community_rallies_behind_sudbury_man_charged_by_the_fbi/?page=full
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Remco Kimber | January 30, 2013 8:41 PM | Reply

The various actors in this incident can assess their respective behaviors according to their own lights. It is however with the diosese officials (clerical and lay), weak-willed beyond understanding, with whom I have my greatest objection. Perhaps the following is familiar to them.

"3And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow; 4And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up: 5Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth: 6And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away. 7And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them: 8But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold. 9Who hath ears to hear, let him hear."

As to Robert Spencer, I have no hesitation in stating and knowing that he resides well within Verse 8.

To all involved, the advice of Verse 9 - Who hath ears to hear, let him hear - offers wise counsel.

Deniseja9 | January 30, 2013 8:48 PM | Reply

I am appalled as it appears to be the case that the reporter instigated this. I am emailing her and her supervisor right now.

boakai ngombu | January 30, 2013 8:57 PM | Reply

Mr Spencer has a very deep rooted Islamophobia and argues by selective quoting of sacred passages taken totally out of context , and exploits any and every opportunity he gets to link the lunatic act of a Muslim in any part of the world as a direct consequence of Islam.

Mr. Spencer has a very deep rooted Islamophobia... HOORAY

and argues by selective quoting of sacred passages ... which illustrate the utter DEPRAVITY of the Koran and its lask of moral authority

to link the lunatic act of a Muslim in any part of the world ... who acts with suprising consistancy with all his brothers of the mosque in other parts of the world ... as the brothers look to each other for enforce their personal concept of rightness according to SHARIA

keep up the good work, Robert, the association of the Dragon with the Beast needs be also exposed.

Veritas | January 30, 2013 9:04 PM | Reply

It is obvious that the Catholic Church is not interested in the truth getting heard about Islam. Why the protection of this hateful religion? Could it be that the Catholic Church has a soft spot when it comes to Islam? I am beginning to think so, but not because the Catholic Church is swayed by any Leftist dogma as Robert seems to think, rather I think it is quite the opposite, both Islam and Roman Catholicism are kindred Fascist belief systems at their core. That is why they will always stick together.

wildjew | January 30, 2013 9:10 PM | Reply

7. Wangsness to Spencer:

Thanks. I think it is fair to say that the ADL and others have quite strenuously condemned violence perpetrated by radical Islamists....

8. Spencer to Wangsness:

The ADL has unwisely ventured into Leftist advocacy politics, spending more time combating friends of Israel on the right rather than enemies of Israel on the left. Its record in this is nothing short of shameful.

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I am only part way through this piece. I commend Spencer for standing firm. A day or so back I looked up ADL and its position on Pamela Geller, SIOA, etc.

http://www.adl.org/civil-rights/discrimination/c/stop-islamization-of-america.html

Abraham Foxman's behavior on this issue has indeed been shameful. Like Alan Dershowitz and former NY mayor Ed Koch, Foxman knows Barack Obama has treated Israel and Israel's prime minister abysmally. Nevertheless, these three American Jewish leaders have stood by and defended Obama; supported his re-election. Abe Foxman condemns a fellow Jew who is standing for freedom and human dignity against savagery. As a Jew, I am embarrassed by Abraham Foxman and the ADL.

Steve Klein

Dsinc | January 30, 2013 9:20 PM | Reply

Cowards. As Churchill said, feeding the crocodile in the hope of being eaten last.

wildjew | January 30, 2013 9:26 PM | Reply

12. Spencer to Wangsness:

I'm hearing you were behind this, getting people to call the diocese. How interesting. How does that square with your supposed commitment to objective journalism?
13. Wangsness to Spencer:

I reached out to people to solicit comment on your appearance, but if people called the diocese, they did so on their own. I did not and would not tell anyone to call anyone.

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What a shame. I wonder where Pope Benedict XVI would come down on this.

Larry S | January 30, 2013 9:48 PM | Reply

The complaint that Robert's words should not be heard because "he hold[s] no degrees in Islamic studies and [he is] not an Arabic speaker." rang a bell to me.

In Nonie Dawish's book, "Now They Call Me Infidel" she related how in 2007 she spoke at Brown University (after Brown's Hillel group had reneged on its invitation).

Of course, her opponents could not claim she did not know Arabic or, having lived in Egypt for 30 years, lacked an understanding of the culture. As Nonie possessed only an undergraduate degree, she relates in the Preface of the book,

they "insinuated that I lacked the academic credentials to hold the opinions I do." Nonie replied, "my opinions are based on my experience as a human being who had lived for thirty years in the Middle East"

I surmise that not dealing the issues that a critic raises, but merely assailing the critic's reputation, is par for the course among Muslims. That corresponds rather well with my own on-line experience.

Kinana of Khaybar | January 30, 2013 9:51 PM | Reply

"Wangsness to Spencer:

Thanks very much.

I wanted to also ask whether it is accurate that you are a member of [redacted] and that you live in [redacted]?"

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It's reasonable to assume that Wangsness is asking about Robert's location because she wants to publish that information in an article. She is, after all, a journalist, or is at least attempting to play one. It is also highly unlikely that Wangsness does not know why Robert's location information is kept private--unless perhaps she's been living in cave for the past several years.

It is a plausible hypothesis that not only does Wangsness want to disrupt Robert's work, but that she is knowingly and intentionally attempting to expose him to greater danger, as indicated by her attempt to publish his address.

Larry S | January 30, 2013 9:53 PM | Reply

The complaint that Robert's words should not be heard because "he hold[s] no degrees in Islamic studies and [he is] not an Arabic speaker." rang a bell to me.

In Nonie Dawish's book, "Now They Call Me Infidel" she related how in 2007 she spoke at Brown University (after Brown's Hillel group had reneged on its invitation).

I surmise that responding to a critic by assailing the critic's credentials or character is standard fare among Muslims. That sense corresponds well with my own on-line experience.

darmanad | January 30, 2013 10:02 PM | Reply

Doesn't catholic doctrine teach there is a heaven and hell and that one's commission of a cardinal sin without repentance condemns one to eternal damnation in hell? Fuck that. Fuck the catholic doctrine and those who preach that inhumane shit.

The diocese and Bishop McmANUS is being politically correct but has its head up its anus. It conduct in caving into Muslim pressure is a stunningly bad comment on the intelligence and ethics of the diocese. But what can you expect of a group that believes premarital sex will cause one to rot in hell forever.

p.s.How many little boys will the members of this diocese rape today? Nice going McMANUS (watch out for eternal damnation).

gerard | January 30, 2013 10:03 PM | Reply

"But when their own turn comes, as it inevitably will, there will be no left to speak up for them."
I suspect Robert is alluding to:
"First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me"
Pastor Martin Niemoller

Kinana of Khaybar | January 30, 2013 10:15 PM | Reply

"Wangsness to Spencer:

Thanks very much.

Several of those I've spoken with say you lack the credentials to speak with any authority on Islam -- you are not a Muslim, you hold no degrees in Islamic studies and you are not an Arabic speaker. Could you please respond to this?"
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It's so unfortunate that journalists are so uneducated these days. I'm talking about education, not credentials. This Wangsness character apparently thinks that being a Muslim is a "credential" that lends credibility to one's comments on Islam. From a proper investigative journalistic perspective, while being a Muslim might provide some subjective anecdotal perspective, the greater concern is that a Muslim will tend to be biased in favor of Islam. To suggest that one has to be a Muslim to comment on Islam is rather like suggesting one has to be an enthusiastic salesperson working for Joe's Used Cars to be able to provide reliable and objective information about any of Joe's used cars.

Journalists are supposed to seek critical or contrary perspectives; but Wangsness is attempting to blow the critical perspectives out of the water in the interests of publishing what amounts to Islamic da'wa and Islamic supremacist talking points.

Wellington | January 30, 2013 10:20 PM | Reply

I expect the Boston Globe to have no guts or wisdom, but when the Catholic Church acts gutlessly and stupidly this is a much bigger deal because the Catholic Church needs to be a moral beacon in a world that is often amoral or immoral. The Catholic Church without morality on its side is a shadow of itself, as here. Might as well not exist.

I don't give a damn about the Boston Globe, rag publication that it is, but I do care about the Catholic Church. Eveyone of sense, regardless of religious belief, should. No one who cherishes what is right should be indifferent to the Catholic Church being right.

Kinana of Khaybar replied to comment from Kinana of Khaybar | January 30, 2013 10:25 PM | Reply

p.s. and yes, I did note that Wangsness used the standard "some say x" routine in presenting her own view that being a Muslim constitutes a credential. It's a standard tactic used by biased journalists who want to selectively use the information they've selectively gathered in order to pastiche in their own views, then innocently ask "How do you respond to those people who say x?"

gerard replied to comment from Veritas | January 30, 2013 10:27 PM | Reply

The Catholic hierarchy have no love for Islam. They are afraid.

Kinana of Khaybar replied to comment from gerard | January 30, 2013 10:28 PM | Reply

They may be, some of them may be, but then they should be honest and say they are afraid, if that's the case. As it is, they look like they have lots of love for Islam.

Wellington replied to comment from darmanad | January 30, 2013 10:30 PM | Reply

Rants against the Catholic Church, such as yours, serves no good purpose. You can criticize the Church when it errs, as I have, without manifesting zealous antipathy towards it as you have.

gerard replied to comment from Wellington | January 30, 2013 10:41 PM | Reply

Wellington, they are afraid. Not only, or even necessarily, for themselves but for all Catholics.
Remember after Regensberg, there were priests and nuns killed and churches burned. Benedict xvi has to live with the knowledge that his words were followed by killings. Not easy to live with.
If the bishops speak out it will not be their necks first on the block.

gerard replied to comment from Wellington | January 30, 2013 10:44 PM | Reply

Well done Wellington!

gerard replied to comment from Kinana of Khaybar | January 30, 2013 10:48 PM | Reply

Thanks Kinana. Remember though, it won't be the bishops who will be targeted when Mo does what Mo does...

smooth lee | January 30, 2013 11:01 PM | Reply

Email sent to Wangsness: It appears to have been blocked, she's probably been bombarded with so many criticisms of her complicity in Robert's scheduled talk, that she just can't handle it any longer. Follows is what I sent to her:

Subject: Fool

Ms. Wangsness, you’re that, if not actually stupid or retarded. You’re certainly not a real journalist. That requires logical thinking and a rational cognizance. Leftist fascists are afflicted with an acute lack of both, it’s a malignant malady. You are of that feather, little bird. May I suggest finding a more suitable job, something in the area of janitorial or garbage removal.

Regarding: You’re dhimmi complicity (oh, add to the above: you’re a liar and coward) in the cancellation of Robert Spencer’s scheduled appearance at the Catholic Men’s Conference in Worcester, Massachusetts in March. He IS NOT an uninformed or a hate-filled bigot. He is a scholar of the highest order, objective and meticuluously detailed, unlike the witless, shallow minds you seem to want to protect. He sees the writing on the wall all too clearly about islam. You must be wearing a niqab, that would explain your blindness.

Wake up, Ms. Wangsness. Start to REALLY educate yourself on this issue. Before it’s too late.

gerard | January 30, 2013 11:04 PM | Reply

Is it necessary to say something about this "qualifications" objection?
I'm not sure that there is anyone on the planet more knowledgeable on Islam than Robert Spencer.
Clearly though, his critics won't accept this because he does not buy their line.
They might argue that he does not have a degree from an islamic center.
Well, Mark Gabriel was a professor of Islamic History at Al Azhar in Cairo.
He started to ask questions about Islam.
He was arrested and tortured.
The only "qualifications" muslim "scholars" accept are those of people who agree with them.

RCCA | January 30, 2013 11:18 PM | Reply

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

Wednesday, December 21, 2011

STATE BOARD OF MEDICINE TAKES DISCIPLINARY ACTION

WAKEFIELD: At its meeting today the state Board of Registration in Medicine took disciplinary action against the medical licenses of Loren J. Borud, M.D. and Abdul Cader Asmal, M.D.

In both cases the Board accepted the resignations of the medical licenses of Dr. Borud and Dr. Asmal.

Resignation is a disciplinary action that permanently removes a physician from practice.

Dr. Borud is a 1990 graduate of Harvard Medical School. He is board certified in Plastic Surgery and Surgery, and has been licensed in Massachusetts since 2000.

Dr. Asmal is a 1963 graduate of the University of London Faculty of Medicine. He is board certified in Internal Medicine and has been licensed in Massachusetts since 1981.

The Massachusetts Board of Registration in Medicine licenses more than 40,000 physicians, osteopaths and acupuncturists. The Board was created in 1894 to protect the public health and safety by setting standards for the practice of medicine and ensuring that doctors who practice in the Commonwealth are appropriately qualified and competent. The Board investigates complaints, holds hearings and determines sanctions. More information is available at www.mass.gov/massmedboard.

He's not someone I would trust for advice.
Furthermore, even a cursory search on Islamic authorities leads one to conclude there is no single ultimate authority in Islam and there has been continual conflict since the death of Mohammed.

Even Qaradawi's authority is disputed as he gives contradictory interpretations to different audiences. See:http://www.newrepublic.com/book/review/formidable-foer#

See: Determining Islamic Authority in North America
Conference on “Islam in America, 2003” Harvard Divinity School, March 8, 2003 Asma Barlas http://www.asmabarlas.com/TALKS/IslamicAuthority.pdf

See: Muslim Televangelism and the Construction of Religious Authority: The Case of Zakir Naik
by Shehnaz H. http://www.academia.edu/2235933/Muslim_Televangelism_and_the_Construction_of_Religious_Authority_The_Case_of_Zakir_Naik

salah | January 30, 2013 11:39 PM | Reply

Dear friends at Jihad Watch, I've been following this blog for many years and I am an fluent arabic speaker.
EVERY single word RS has written about Islam in this blog, as well as in his books, is 100% true.
The following PPS was made by me, through completely personal and independant research, and guess what? you'll find it identical to RS's claims about Islam and the founder of Islam.
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.ca/2010/12/perfect-man-of-islam.html

traeh | January 30, 2013 11:53 PM | Reply

If Robert Spencer can get some kind of evidence from his sources in this matter -- or maybe their sworn affidavits giving an account of exactly what Wangsness did to get people to call the diocese contra Spencer's appearance -- such evidence could make this a big deal - both for Spencer and the Boston Globe.

traeh | January 31, 2013 12:47 AM | Reply

RCCA pointed out above that Abdul Cader Asmal, evidently the same Muslim doctor who sent the diocese an anti-Spencer letter quoted above by Spencer -- Abdul Cader Asmal was forced to resign his medical license through some kind of disciplinary action. Is that who the diocese listens to? A doctor who was booted from his practice?

An article in the Boston Globe -- I had to buy a subscription just now to get access to it -- is all I've been able to find so far on Asmal's resignation, and unfortunately the article doesn't explain why he was forced out. Here's the article:

Dr. Loren J. Borud, a plastic surgeon, and Dr. Abdul Cader Asmal, an internist, resigned their medical licenses today, said the Massachusetts Board of Registration in Medicine. Resignation is a disciplinary action.
The board had previously suspended Borud’s license after he allegedly performed two operations at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in June 2008 while impaired and appeared to fall asleep during a patient’s liposuction.

One of the patients, Michael K. Hicks of Quincy, eventually sued Borud, saying he suffered pain and complications after liposuction surgery and repair of a scar on his chest.

Borud had been in treatment for alcohol or drug abuse since at least 2002. He is a 1990 graduate of Harvard Medical School and has been licensed in Massachusetts since 2000.

Board spokesman Russell Aims said he could not provide any further information on why Asmal resigned his license. Asmal is a 1963 graduate of the University of London Faculty of Medicine. He is board certified in internal medicine and has been licensed in Massachusetts since 1981.

Livingengine | January 31, 2013 12:58 AM | Reply

How the ISBCC turned from a place of worship to a symbol of controversy
http://thephoenix.com/Boston/News/72383-Timeline-of-events/?rel=inf

http://sheikyermami.com/2008/11/20/the-bizarre-story-behind-the-construction-of-bostons-most-controversial-building/

traeh replied to comment from traeh | January 31, 2013 1:03 AM | Reply

The Boston Globe article I quoted is from December 21, 2011.

traeh | January 31, 2013 1:07 AM | Reply

Ok, I didn't have to subscribe. I found a link so anyone can see the original Globe article I quoted above.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/massachusetts/2011/12/21/two-doctors-are-disciplined-and-resign-their-medical-licenses/g5e0QTRKbDqmNDyRk6fgQK/story.html

Yoni | January 31, 2013 3:25 AM | Reply

@ wildjew
There is a huge different between being a Jewish leader and leader in Judaism. Alan Dershowitz and former NY mayor Ed Koch, Foxman those are simply put leaders of the weakminded people and do not represent Judaism...in fact far from it.
Dont ever be ashamed of being who you are especially when you are on the rightous path.
My 2cents

No Fear | January 31, 2013 3:41 AM | Reply

In an attempt to get a balanced nuanced view of Islam I have read Spencer's books and I have read texts that muslims suggest to me as "beneficial" for my understanding of Islam. Well, the more texts I read the more I dislike Islam. Even texts suggested to me by muslims cause me to dislike Islam more and more. Islam grows in the shadow of the vile character of it's "prophet" Mohammed. I simply do NOT like criminal extortionists such as Mohammed and I will NOT SUBMIT to anything that comes from such a thug.

Champ ♥ | January 31, 2013 3:58 AM | Reply

Wake up Wangsness!! You're a whimp a coward and an enemy of the Truth! Wow some "journalist" you are and I wouldn't read your material if you PAID me to. Hey you might consider politics instead.

SaleemSmith | January 31, 2013 4:19 AM | Reply

"The chasm between Islam and Jahiliyyah [the society of unbelievers] is great, and a bridge is not to be built across it so that the people on the two sides may mix with each other, but only so that the people of Jahiliyyah may come over to Islam." -- Sayyid Qutb

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Speaking as an ex-Muslim I can confirm that the quote above effectively sums up the Muslim perspective/agenda on "interfaith dialogue." The Muslims are there to win non-Muslims over to Islam and/or advance the growth and influence of Islam, period. This is essentially da'wah, Islamic proselytization. And it is not so much a dialogue as it is a monologue. The Muslims are simply trying to convince you of the truth of Islam. Islam, most notably the Qur'an, which Muslims must believe to be perfect, tells them explicitly that Christianity's core message is not only false, but blasphemous to "Allah" and Islamic beliefs.

Although I myself am not a Christian, I would strongly suggest, that if nothing else, Christians and familiarize themselves with what Verse 5 of the Qur'an says about their faith. In sum, it completely delegitimizes it.

Verse 5 of the Qur'an is filled with much of the usual sweet and sour contradictory Islamic gobbledegook. Below is a sample of the sour. Islam is terribly flawed, fundamentally untrue religion.

We ex-Muslims living with Islam's formal and informal death penalty for apostasy know that the cruel cult of Mohammedanism is in fact a fraud.

Qur'an, Verse 5

5:3
This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour unto you, and have chosen for you as religion al-Islam. Whoso is forced by hunger, not by will, to sin: (for him) lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

5:10
And they who disbelieve and deny Our revelations, such are rightful owners of hell.

5:12
Allah made a covenant of old with the Children of Israel and We raised among them twelve chieftains, and Allah said: Lo! I am with you. If ye establish worship and pay the poor-due, and believe in My messengers and support them, and lend unto Allah a kindly loan, surely I shall remit your sins, and surely I shall bring you into Gardens underneath which rivers flow. Whoso among you disbelieveth after this will go astray from a plain road.

5:13
And because of their breaking their covenant, We have cursed them and made hard their hearts. They change words from their context and forget a part of that whereof they were admonished. Thou wilt not cease to discover treachery from all save a few of them. But bear with them and pardon them. Lo! Allah loveth the kindly.

5:14
And with those who say: "Lo! we are Christians," We made a covenant, but they forgot a part of that whereof they were admonished. Therefor We have stirred up enmity and hatred among them till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will inform them of their handiwork.

5:17
They indeed have disbelieved who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. Say: Who then can do aught against Allah, if He had willed to destroy the Messiah son of Mary, and his mother and everyone on earth ? Allah's is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them. He createth what He will. And Allah is Able to do all things.

5:18
The Jews and Christians say: We are sons of Allah and His loved ones. Say: Why then doth He chastise you for your sins ? Nay, ye are but mortals of His creating. He forgiveth whom He will, and chastiseth whom He will. Allah's is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, and unto Him is the journeying.

5:19
O People of the Scripture! Now hath Our messenger come unto you to make things plain unto you after an interval (of cessation) of the messengers, lest ye should say: There came not unto us a messenger of cheer nor any warner. Now hath a messenger of cheer and a warner come unto you. Allah is Able to do all things.

5:36
As for those who disbelieve, lo! if all that is in the earth were theirs, and as much again therewith, to ransom them from the doom on the Day of Resurrection, it would not be accepted from them. Theirs will be a painful doom.

5:51
O ye who believe (Muslims)! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.

5:57
O Ye who believe (Muslims)! Choose not for guardians such of those who received the Scripture before you, and of the disbelievers, as make a jest and sport of your religion. But keep your duty to Allah if ye are true believers.

5:59
Say: O People of the Scripture! Do ye blame us for aught else than that we believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed aforetime, and because most of you are evil-livers ?

5:72
They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah (himself) said: O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evil-doers there will be no helpers.

5:73
They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the third of three; when there is no God save the One God. If they desist not from so saying a painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve.

Stephanie | January 31, 2013 4:26 AM | Reply

"... Mr Spencer has a very deep rooted Islamophobia"

Islamophobia? (i.e. baseless fear of Islam)
Islamorealism!

Allah, Q. 5:38 "(thieves) AMPUTATE thier HANDS"
vs. German Constitution Article 2, Paragraph 2 "Everybody has the right to life
AND PHYSICAL INTEGRITY"

http://schnellmann.org/islamophobia.html

SaleemSmith | January 31, 2013 4:28 AM | Reply

Islam is no “religion of peace.” Islam is primarily a religion of “injustice, intolerance, hatred, and violence.” The fact is, if we non-Muslims were to say about Muslims what the Qur'an says about us, we would be arrested for hate speech. The Qur'an largely preaches discrimination, death, and imposition of its dogma on everyone. Certainly some Muslims will be offended by such statements, but frankly, so what? Judaism and Christianity, the world’s two other major monotheistic religions, have had to face the harshest of scrutiny and criticism for several hundred years which continues to this day. Islam must not be granted any special privileges or be exempt from such treatment – the implications are of tremendous importance.

Here is a recent statement from a group of Bangladeshi apostates living in the UK explaining the reasons why they have abandoned Islam:

"One who claims to be a messenger of God is expected to live a saintly life. He must not be given to lust, he must not be a sexual pervert, and he must not be a rapist, a highway robber, a war criminal, a mass murderer or an assassin. One who claims to be a messenger of God must have a superior character. He must stand above the vices of the people of his time. Yet Muhammad’s life is that of a gangster godfather. He raided merchant caravans, looted innocent people, massacred entire male populations and enslaved the women and children. He raped the women captured in war after killing their husbands and told his followers that it is okay to have sex with their captives (Qur'an 33:50). He assassinated those who criticized him and executed them when he came to power and became de facto despot of Arabia. Muhammad was bereft of human compassion. He was an obsessed man with his dreams of grandiosity and could not forgive those who stood in his way...

The statement continues,

Muhammad was a narcissist, like Hitler, Saddam or Stalin. He was astute and knew how to manipulate people, but his emotional intelligence was less evolved than that of a 6-year-old child. He simply could not feel the pain of others. He brutally massacred thousands of innocent people and pillaged their wealth. His ambitions were big and as a narcissist he honestly believed he is entitled to do as he pleased and commit all sorts of crimes and his evil deeds are justified."

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Political Islam has Islam further mapped out:

At least 75% of the Sira (biographies of Muhammad and quotes attributed to him) is about jihad.

The largest part of the Islamic texts (the Qur'an, hadith and sira) relate to the treatment of unbelievers, kafirs. Approximately 67% of the Qur'an written in Mecca is about the unbelievers, or politics. Of the Qur'an of Medina, 51% is devoted to the unbelievers.

Mohammed preached his religion for 13 years and garnered only 150 followers. But when he turned to politics and war, in 10 years time he became the first ruler of Arabia by averaging an event of violence every 7 weeks for 9 years. His success did not come as a religious leader, but as a political leader.

Political Islam asks: What is the real jihad? The jihad of inner spiritual struggle, or the jihad of war?

Statistical analysis of the Bukhari hadith (considered by Muslims to be the most authentic of the hadith collections) show that Muhammad repeatedly speaks of jihad. In Bukhari, 97% of the jihad references are about war, and 3% are about the inner struggle. So the statistical answer is that jihad is 97% war and 3% inner struggle.

There are 146 references to Hell in the Qur'an. Only 6% of those in Hell are there for moral failings — murder, theft, etc. The other 94% of the reasons for being in Hell are for the intellectual sin of disagreeing with Mohammed, a political crime.

http://www.politicalislam.com/store/category/primary-doctrine-books/

Champ ♥ | January 31, 2013 4:36 AM | Reply

"darmanad" is getting desperate--again. Truthophobes usually are.

And he might appear less foolish if he sat in the corner wearing a dunce cap.

Rezali Mehil replied to comment from Champ ♥ | January 31, 2013 4:39 AM | Reply

Hello Champ,

I don't understand you and others here ....first I hear you saying that protection of freedom and the right to choose *is* America.

Next you villify Wangsness for choosing to do just that - you have to make your mind up.

The man wanted talk about Christianity (God only knows why) and feels that he does not want to go off topic...Robert Spencer we all know would not have been able to help himself.

He is not on expert on catholism so the decision was made. Deal with it.

Tommo | January 31, 2013 5:06 AM | Reply

The email/letter from Dr Asmal did it for Robert. There is no way kuffar 'David' could go ahead with the engagement after Asmal mentioned that he was appealing through his superior 'His Eminence Cardinal O'Malley.

Asmal's comments about Robert regarding his personal and professional details are indeed defamatory and should be countered. Asmal's own qualifications could well be bogus. Many Muslim credentials are. Incidentally, how do you 'masquerade' as a Catholic? Either you sre one or you're not.

Go for it Robert.

Champ ♥ replied to comment from Rezali Mehil | January 31, 2013 5:09 AM | Reply

Want to know what an ugly troll looks like? Then go stand in front of a mirror.

Deal with that.

fightback | January 31, 2013 5:14 AM | Reply

Oh, so she obviously doesn't mind if her location is advertised?
Great, can someone get it for me?

Champ ♥ | January 31, 2013 5:19 AM | Reply

Folks ...

"rezali mehil" is a mohammedan troll and a lost cause serving an evil cause: islam

Kepha | January 31, 2013 5:51 AM | Reply

I am not and have never been a Roman Catholic. As an unabashed follower of the Swiss-Rhenish-Puritan Reformation, I may be glad that Rome has preserved the Scriptures and confesses the Holy Trinity, but I do not see the Roman Church as the grand repository of truth, wisdom, holiness, and righteousness--and certainly don't see it as the touchstone of what it is to be Christian.
Like every institutional church in history (as far back as the Israelites wandering in Sinai),it every so often needs a good taking-to-the-woodshed by its Lord.

@Wellington: Re your reply to darmanad, I've long been of the mind that if the sexual liberationists truly believed in the justice and propriety of their cause, they would've stood by the "pedophile" priests as brothers who were just initiating the young into "something beautiful". Then again, as no friend of sexual liberation, I have no qualms about telling either the sodomite priests or telling the whole LGBT movement to either repent or go to Hell.

Back to the problems Spencer had with the Diocese of Worcester:

This is a clear case of how Leftist self- destructiveness (exemplified by the newspaper office), Islamic predation, and the deeply ingrained bureaucratic timidity of too many Western institutions dance a merry ring-around-the-rosey to destroy Western civilization. It may also reflect how the RC Church is more concerned about how it appears to its cultured despisers and its barbaric ones (guess which ones are which) than about how its fellow confessors of Christ are treated.

Come to think of it, the current furor islamicus has exposed how too much of the West has simply become too refined and too "sensitive". This refinement I trace back to the attempt of Anabaptists and Quakers to be more holy than God himself, a trend aided and abetted by post-Puritan New Englanders whose peculiar sensitivities have apparently infected their erstwhile Papal despisers.

Steffen Larsen | January 31, 2013 6:05 AM | Reply

"Rezali" is back! Oh goody, a new series of claims and observations. Should be fun!

Rezali, your Facebook page is down. What happened to it?

dumbledoresarmy replied to comment from Champ ♥ | January 31, 2013 6:06 AM | Reply

Champ

let's you and I agree together...and pray for the salvation of the soul of the person calling himself, or herself, 'rezali mehil'.

Perhaps Kepha would like to join us in so doing.

Our Lord did, after all, coolly and calmly send out his disciples to heal the sick, raise the dead, and cast out demons, in the course of proclaiming the Kingdom of God.

duh_swami | January 31, 2013 6:10 AM | Reply

A Mahoundian was whispering in Lisa's ear...Was it Gabriel? When Gabriel said Robert has no credentials, did she ask Gabriel to show 'her' credentials or any authorization to speak for Islam? Did she ask Gabriel what Islamic university she graduated from? Clearly she accepted Gabriel's skewed opinion of Spencer as a basis for her own...This is not journalism, but a form of demon possession...The church guys involved should break out their books on exorcism...They and Lisa have been possessed by the malevolent shade of Allah...

dumbledoresarmy | January 31, 2013 6:14 AM | Reply

Re that nonsensical line from Dr Asmal about Mr Spencer 'masquerading as a Catholic'.

I would bet my bottom dollar that Mr Spencer could, if required, produce - for the better information of the Roman Catholic Bishop of Worcester, Robert McManus - his baptism certificate (and photographs of his baptism) plus his Confirmation and First Communion documents (with photos of those joyful occasions), as well as his marriage in the Church (with signed certificate), the baptisms of his children, and a statement from whoever is currently his parish priest, indicating that he is a regular communicant at such-and-such a church.

"Masquerading as a Catholic".

ROFLMAO.

duh_swami | January 31, 2013 6:33 AM | Reply

Lisa...If you support Islam, you support Allah...If you support Allah, you support his words which appear in the Quran...If you support the Quran, you should at least read it to see if what you are reading is worth your support...You do not need to be an Islamic expert to understand verses like 5:33, or 24:2...
Credentials and degree's do not always an expert make...Tesla did not graduate from a school of science...Edison did not graduate from a school on light bulbs...Who ever invented the wheel did not have a formal wheel education...Lincoln never took a political science class...Rasool Obama did not graduate from skeet shooting school...
The examples of people with no formal education, or any degree's making profound and positive impacts on society and the planet, is long...No formal degree or education is required to be right...

Buraq replied to comment from Rezali Mehil | January 31, 2013 6:34 AM | Reply

It's that brainless bint, Rezali again! Lissen Mayhem, no one here is fooled by your 'right to choose' argument.

Why not?

Making a choice according to the dictates of the CAIR crooks is a zero-value choice. And in any case, CAIR's desire to install Sharia would end choice for everyone.

Islam's dictatorship would rule with all its inherent evils.

You're a clown, Mayhem!

wildjew replied to comment from gerard | January 31, 2013 6:35 AM | Reply

gerard, you wrote: "Wellington, they are afraid. Not only, or even necessarily, for themselves but for all Catholics.

"Remember after Regensberg, there were priests and nuns killed and churches burned...."

Spencer wrote: "While Christians face escalating persecution from Muslims in Egypt, Nigeria, Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia and elsewhere, the Catholic Church temporizes, ignores the victims, and plays at "dialogue" with Islamic supremacist groups whose announced intent is to "build bridges" with non-Muslims..."

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Is it in you mind that had Spencer not been
dis-invited to this Catholic Men's Conference in Worcester, Massachusetts on March 16, priests and nuns would be killed and churches burned?

Sam | January 31, 2013 6:40 AM | Reply

Well we can not speak what we think about Islam, we can not own arms to protect ourselves, some of our administration members including our (not mine) president are muslims, we have a young generation of Americans who think that we are the cause of all the problems in the world, we have a totally corrupt media, our military is full of liberal generals who want to "hug" the enemy. If this is not a CIVIL WAR, or at least the very beginning, what is it? God help America!

duh_swami replied to comment from Buraq | January 31, 2013 6:46 AM | Reply

Islam's dictatorship would rule with all its inherent evils.

Ten to one, Razali knows this and gives it 110% of his support...

duh_swami replied to comment from Sam | January 31, 2013 6:51 AM | Reply

Al Sharpton was right when he said 'Resist we much'...This applies to tyrannical government as well as Islam...which in the end is the same thing...

TS | January 31, 2013 8:15 AM | Reply

Here's a couple of news articles this morning on this sad state of affairs:

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/01/catholics_pull_invitation_islam_critic

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=16953&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CatholicWorldNewsFeatureStories+%28Catholic+World+News+%28on+CatholicCulture.org%29%29

TS | January 31, 2013 8:23 AM | Reply

In the Catholic Culture article it is stated by the Muslim spokesman that "someone may have been blindsided by Spencer" and it ws very "reassuring" that this wouldnt happen now.

Lol, yeah, someone may have been blindsided by someone telling the truth from Islamic sources, no less, and expecting answers on Islamic supremacism and terrorism. Ugh. Useful idiots, indeed. As Christians are slaughtered day in and day out.

TS | January 31, 2013 8:34 AM | Reply

And what is up with her asking where you live?!?! That should have sent off warning bells like mad. This apparent wolf in sheep's clothing not only wants to silence you, Robert, it seems she wants you DEAD.

Trapped in CA | January 31, 2013 8:46 AM | Reply

This is why I'm not a practicing Catholic anymore. Ithis also illustrates why people don't trust the media anymore. Just sent Ms Wangsness email telling her how reprehensible she is.

duh_swami | January 31, 2013 9:56 AM | Reply

The real skinny...Allah blindsided both the Catholics involved and also the news(?) paper, this Lisa woman and that Smith guy...Allah is playing them like a puppeteer...Barnum said it', 'there is a sucker born every minute'...Kuffar who support Allah, are suckers...

darmanad replied to comment from Kepha | January 31, 2013 10:49 AM | Reply

Wrote Kepha:
@Wellington: Re your reply to darmanad, I've long been of the mind that if the sexual liberationists truly believed in the justice and propriety of their cause, they would've stood by the "pedophile" priests as brothers who were just initiating the young into "something beautiful".

You are kidding, right? That sounds like something a nutty pedophile priest might say while testifying in his own defernse for statutory rape.

Back to what matters here...The whole crowd of catholic actors, e.g. cardinal, archdiocese and diocese bishops are all detestable for both (a) participatng in the propagation of a cruel and inhumane belief system and (b)for conspiring to keep their parishoners in the dark about Islam by kowtowing to Muslims who strive to suppress the abhorrent nonsense known as Islam.

Veritas replied to comment from gerard | January 31, 2013 11:22 AM | Reply

I do not believe that the RC Church is afraid of Islam, they are kindred spirits. I can tell you for a fact that they are prime movers into bringing Muslims into the West and have special 'agencies' set up for that. It is funny how the Church has supposedly got influenced by 'Leftist' and Liberals to keep Robert Spencer out of the conference when it is a known fact that the Catholic Church is ultra-Conservative and to the Right of Attila the Hun, in fact there was never a fascist that they did not approve of, even the ones who dropped dissidents and labor organizers from planes to their deaths and organized death squads in South America.

And why should the Church or the West for that matter be afraid of Islam? What does Islam have to threaten them with, the Koran? They depend for most things, essential things, on the West, for their food, medicine and technology and everything else in between. It is the West who is propping them up. In Victorian times, when Western leaders still had a modicum of pride in their heritage and values, they would have long removed the seeds that make Islam grow and it would have receded back into the desert backwater that it came from. No, the Church and our Western leaders are definitely not afraid of Islam, they just see that there is a lot for them to gain if this retrograde cult was to be made supreme in all our lands - that would be the end of any opposition, free thought and would result in a docile and obedient population cowering for their lives, while the few Elite lord it over them in splendor. Sounds like a good deal if you are on top - Islam would be a very effective tool to eradicate any opposition, in effect removing Democracy in one fell sweep.

Veritas replied to comment from smooth lee | January 31, 2013 12:07 PM | Reply

Of course she is not a 'real journalist', she is just a Talking Head, spouting out whatever the dominant establishment want the masses to believe.

gerard replied to comment from wildjew | January 31, 2013 1:01 PM | Reply

wildjew your question raises an interesting point. Would there be serious consequences if Robert was allowed to speak? I would think probably not since Robert has spoken in similar venues without churches being burned. What I actually had in mind was the bishops. If they openly criticised Islam, this would be used as an opportunity for Islamic violence.

gerard replied to comment from Veritas | January 31, 2013 1:17 PM | Reply

RC Church and Islam are not kindred spirits. Have you read the Regensberg address?
Europe was saved twice: Vienna and Poitiers by Catholic armies. Also at Lepanto by a Catholic naval fleet. Indeed, historically it is only the Catholic Church that has ever resisted Islam. Catholics drove Islam out of Spain after 800 yrs occupation. The reason why Islam is making headway today in the West is precisely because of the decline of the Catholic faith and its Judaeo-Christian heritage in Europe and elsewhere. The "Reformation" did immense harm to the Christian Faith in europe (divide and conquer) and paved the way for Secularism, Feminism, Marxism and similar "isms" that have opened the doors to Islam. Quite literally through immigration.

gerard | January 31, 2013 1:20 PM | Reply

Veritas replied to comment from gerard | January 31, 2013 2:15 PM | Reply

And the reason that in the past Islam and the Catholic Church were at odds is because they wanted the same thing - control of the lives and lands that came under their control. Even in barbarity, they matched each other eye to eye. And even then, the Catholic Church did not always favour Christians over Muslims - the Patriarch of Constantinople had asked Rome's help in repelling the Muslim armies and the Pope refused many times to give assistance to a fellow Christian, preferring instead to see Byzantium to fall into the hands of the Muslims rather than remain in the hands of the non-Catholic Christians that did not recognise the supremacy of the Bishop of Rome. And even in the Spanish Reconquista, the main target of the Church was not the Muslims but the Jews, who were give a choice of converting or leaving Spanish territories and for decades the Inquisition kept a strick eye on 'converts' to catch them secretly practicing Judaism. There was no equivalent treatment for the Muslims but after all, it was the Jews who were the 'Christ-killers'.

In modern time, things have gotten more insipid not because of the Reformation or Humanist and liberal ideologies but because the Church has aligned itself more openly with the forces of evil and supports any retrograde system that will bring it back into its former pristine glory of dictating men's lives under corporal and spiritual penalties. In which case, Islam is the partner of choice.

One would do well to separate the rhetoric coming out of the Vatican and the actual actions taken by the Church - in which case you will see that it actually does not see any conflicts with Islamic core teachings, why it was nary a few centuries ago it was doing the same thing as Sharia proposes, including death for apostasy (heretics). Do not be fooled in to thinking that the Church is actually concerned about the few Catholics that are caught in the cross fires, these are merely collateral damage in the onslaught of religion against human rights and progress.

When I asked point blank a Jesuit priest acquaintance of mine who was involved in helping bring Muslims into the country, why the Church was doing this, he skirted the issue, and when I intimated that perhaps the plan is for the eventual converesion of the Pope to Islam, making the Vatican the head of Islam (right now Islam does not have a central controlling body) he was not shocked with this assertion but calmly told me, 'Do you think so?" (said not with incredulity but as one stating a fact). I was expecting him to challenge my supposition but instead I got an almost tacit confirmation.

To get a better picture of what the Roman Church is all about, I would recommend reading the book by the ex-Jesuit priest, Peter Da Rosa, "The Vicars of Christ".

Champ ♥ replied to comment from dumbledoresarmy | January 31, 2013 2:26 PM | Reply

Hi, DDA ...

Yes, you are right, and Jesus also came to seek and save the *lost*:

"For the Son of Man came to seek and to save what was lost." -- Luke 19:10

Before Jesus can save someone they must acknowledge that they are lost, first and foremost.

Of course, I pray that everyone would be saved; and as far as praying for rezali you got it, but he needs to see that he's lost, a lost cause, before he'll ever see his need for Christ. I'm not going to tell this clown that he's ok, when he isn't. Whether or not he comes to this knowledge of the Truth is between he and the one true God.

Take care, my friend.

Veritas replied to comment from gerard | January 31, 2013 2:33 PM | Reply

On a different note, how exactly did Marxism open the doors to Muslim immigration into the West? The last time I checked, most of the leaders in the Western world like Reagan, Thatcher, Bush, Blair, Sarkosy, Merkel, Berlusconi etc. and going back the last 60 years or so when Muslim immigration and multiculturalism were impossed were for the most part Conservatives and right-leaning.

That they blamed the "Left' for many things there can be no doubt, like the infamous Gladio Affair in Italy and the bombing of the Bologna train station, all blamed on Marxist terrorists were actually the work of the ultra-rightist P2 lodge that included as members the topmost members of the Right-wing establishment that was in power.

Guy Macher | January 31, 2013 3:14 PM | Reply

I wrote the Bishop asking him to reconsider. And, I wrote to Ms Wangsness scolding her for supporting the oppressors of freedom. I sent both links to the Koran.

exsgtbrown | January 31, 2013 5:16 PM | Reply

It appears Lisa Wangsness opposes the truth about Islam....somewhere there must be some Islam in her life...

Truth is Un-Islamic...

gerard | January 31, 2013 5:49 PM | Reply

Marxism is atheistic. Atheism in all its forms has tolerated Islam. Atheists regard Islam as just another religion and play down its political dimension. Jamie Glazov in "United in Hate" has well described the alliance between the Left and Islam. Each regards the other as a "useful idiot".

margaritha | January 31, 2013 5:51 PM | Reply

What else can you expect from Catholics,who are spineless sissies.We all read with shame about Late Pope John Paul,who grabed a Koran that speaks directly against the Catholic faith and started kissing it passionatly when he went on a tour to Iraq. Does it not reduce the Son of God to a mere slave prophet? Does it not lied about the Holy Trinity as father, son and Mary? Did not the Popes of the past demand its burning? The answer to all these questions is YES, and yet what the Holy Father did was more complicated than what the anti-Catholic and/or sedevacantist spin-doctors might say about it.

It was a blasphemous act, showing his “hatred” of God and his apostate defection from the true faith.

John a. Camardo Jr replied to comment from wildjew | January 31, 2013 6:06 PM | Reply

wildjew, I agree with you.I read the full version and wondered if I was on an MB web site. The statement at the top ADL letter said it all Stopping Hate - What ???????
They don't even reconize TRUTH when the proof is all over the media. What they see or hear, what the Christians are are showing the world that they are being killed for not being a devil worshipping cult. The ADL has fallen further than the UN, and thats falling pretty friggin far.

I stand with David Horowitz, Pamela Geller, and Robert Spencer,and so many other truth loving free people. I SUPPORT ISRAEL !!!!!!!

gravenimage replied to comment from Rezali Mehil | February 1, 2013 12:39 AM | Reply

The appalling Rezali Mehil wrote:

He is not on expert on catholism so the decision was made. Deal with it.
........................

What a moron. Apparently Rezali Mehil doesn't understand that Robert Spencer *is* Catholic.

And he was going to continue to expose the barbarism of Rezali Mehil's own savage creed—something that neither her coreligionists nor dhimmi tools can abide.

And she understands *nothing* about freedom of speech. But then, since she is a pious Muslim, this should come as no surprise.

Kinana of Khaybar replied to comment from gerard | February 1, 2013 2:24 AM | Reply

"Thanks Kinana. Remember though, it won't be the bishops who will be targeted when Mo does what Mo does..."

If they act like obedient dhimmis, or are complicit with Islam, then like anyone else they'll be left alone (in theory...of course they'll always be at the mercy of the whims of Muslim mobs in an Islamic country). Whether they are attacked by Muslims depends on their known, public words and deeds. Their higher profile probably puts them at higher risk than the average Joe.

itruthman | February 1, 2013 4:48 AM | Reply

Well done mr spencer.

You(Mr Spencer)are taking on two extremes at the same time, embarrassing and exposing both of them. At least islamists have an excuse for their behavior, they are only doing what their god allah (muhummad) commands that they do, but the reason the islam defenders would throw themselves under the bus to protect an ideology that runs contrary to what the islam defenders claim to be defending and at their own expense, will always remain something for a trained Psychologist to explain.

The letter sent by muslims to the catholic boss man was a typical, even classic example of common islamic self victim hood garbage.

To me it sounded like they were scared. Not scared of any attacks against their persons, but completely terrorfied because they know the reality of what islam does teach in its most authentic books,the reality that spencer has the ability, wisdom and determination to be able to spell out these islamic realities to an unsuspecting western audience, and the reality that most unsuspecting westerners would be truly disgusted with the facts about islam from islam's most authentic authorizes/sources.

"Mr Spencer has a very deep rooted Islamophobia"

There is nothing "irrational" about wanting to keep free lands free, in fact turning a blind eye to the reality of islam is "irrational", and foolish.

"and argues by selective quoting of sacred passages taken totally out of context"

Yawns!!!!.

I was once accused of "taking out of context quotes from the koran from zionist websites", so i asked the accuser 'what is the correct context?', they admited that they actually had "no idea" what the correct context is. So here is someone who themselves admits that they have no idea of any context, yet they are certain I have used it out of context. (obviously i very well know the context of any argument i make about koran, islam, muhummad)

The quote from the muslims about "taking things out of context" is nothing more than 'identity projection'. As we all know, for 100% certainty, that the only people who take the koran out of context and misrepresent it are muslims, fact!

"and exploits any and every opportunity he gets to link the lunatic act of a Muslim in any part of the world as a direct consequence of Islam."

False!

If the lunatic if following koran and sunnah, that would make the islamic prophet the lunatic, and this is the point, this is what unsuspecting westerners have yet to realize about the islamic reality.

"We in the Boston community who have enjoyed such a warm tradition of mutual respect with all our Christian friends"

Well, if this is true, it would mean that either:

A)the muslims who wrote the letter are totally ignorant about islam and need Robert spencer to educate them.

B) The muslims who wrote the letter cannot be muslims by definition because sura 5.51 forbids any muslim keeping any christian as a friend. Keeping a christian as a friend makes the muslim an apostate according to allah!:

O ye who believe! TAKE NOT THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS AS FRIENDS. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk. 5:51 Pickthall

Tafsir Ibn kathir
The Prohibition of Taking the Jews, Christians and Enemies of Islam as Friends http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=767&Itemid=60

or C)The islamists know that they are forbidden from having christians as friends and are just deceiving the unsuspecting kuffar:

Sura 3.28; “[by taking the hypocrites and disbelievers as friends] (hath no connection with Allah) save yourselves from them, (taking (as it were) security) saving yourselves from them by speaking in a friendly way towards them with, while your hearts dislikes this.” Tafsir of Ibn abbas. Altafsir.com

Thank you Robert for your outstanding works.

May the True God continually guide you.

Peace!

Champ ♥ replied to comment from itruthman | February 1, 2013 4:41 PM | Reply

Great comment, itruthman ...hear, hear!

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