"#MyJihad Islamophobes...are blind in hate and frustration. Yes they should be killed"

Acts17 wrote:

Ha! Ha! Ha! I just had an exchange with this guy a few days ago. He was responding to the video of Robert and me critiquing the MyJihad campaign. He said that when we claim Islam promotes violence, we must be taking things out of context! I sent him a video showing him what the Qur'an says IN CONTEXT. I guess he paid attention to the video and concluded that Islam calls for the brutal execution of Islam's enemies!
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Grimly hilarious, David! It might be Taqiyya, or it might just be that fine Islamic cognitive dissonance, where pious Muslims can chide you for "falsely" considering Islam violent while at the same time threatening to kill you in the name of Allah...

As you know, the Quran is not assembled in historical context...I think that is deliberate because if the Quran has historical context, it is not for all time, becomes just a history book, and not a very good one...The war verses may have occurred during an event, but they are not restricted to that event, they are 'president's, to be used whenever Mahoundians are attacked, threatened, or just feeling frisky...

Which God are you referring to?

Learning Koran wrote:

My dear brothers. I'm here to answer you.
I'm not an extremist or apoplectic. I'm not a violence supporter and I'm not here to please any person but to explain my views.
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You're not a "violence supporter", but you believe that anyone who questions your vicious creed *should be killed*. Do you not see the irony here? And the frightening thing is that you are not an "extremist"—many of your homicidal coreligionists think just the same way, and are not afraid to act on it.

If we dare to point out that Islam is violent, you will kill us.

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Why are you so much judgemental about islam and those who try to "defend" islam. Nobody is perfect. Anybody can become angry if he is provoked.
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Christians, Jews, people of other faiths and atheists don't regularly threaten to kill those who question their beliefs. Yet Muslims do this all the time, and all on the principles of Islam itself. Under Islam, neither Muslims nor Infidels may question the tenets of Islam.

Salman Rushdie was threatened with death, and several of his colleagues were murdered. Theo van Gogh was cut down in the street by one of your murderous fellow Muslims. Artists and cartoonists live under death threat. There have been plots to murder the Danish MoToon cartoonists—cartoonist Kurt Westergaard was attacked by an ax-wielding Jihadist. There was an international plot to murder "MoDoggies" artist Lars Vilks.

And no Muslim can leave Islam, lest he be threatened with death.

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You are against islam because you think that islamic teachings are against humanity. But where is your humanity my brothers.
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Humanity is naming evil when you see it, and standing up against its depredations.

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Why do you think abusing someone in public is right according to morals. Do you have any source of morality.
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Criticizing a creed that condones and even sacralizes murder, slavery, pedophilia, slavery, and rape is supremely moral.

Why do *you* believe it is moral to threaten to murder your critics?

Muslims abuse their victims all the time, calling Jews "apes and pigs" and consider Infidels in general to be the same as feces—unclean. What you really mean is that no one should be less than servilely "respectful" of the horror of Islam.

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If you want to criticise islam then you can do it scholarly. You can put the views of well known historians and philosophers. You can quote religious sources with well accepted interpreters.
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Actually, those are just the terms on which Robert Spencer criticizes Islam—and yet, that has not spared him from regularly receiving the most horrific death threats from members of the "Religions of Peace" on a regular basis.

And your belief that you can impose Islamic norms on the civilized West is grotesque—our freedom of speech is *not* subject to dhimmitude. We are not your victims—not yet.

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I accept that there is much violence in the name of jihad. Much is based on selfish politics of extremist muslims and I believe that these jihadist are not fighting for true values of islam and I do not support them with any excuse.
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Really? And yet, you believe that critics of Islam should *be killed*. That is the very essence of violent Jihad, and entirely in line with the appalling "values" of Islam.

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I'm an ordinary muslim.
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I'm sure that this is true, and that homicidal Muslims such as yourself are very much the norm. God help us.

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...Your little brother...
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Well, this is true—as long as most of us have little brothers who want to kill us...

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But I am struggling most of the time on my facebook against these jihadists. Many times they call me zionist or anti muslim but I'm fighting against them continuously.
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Really? Were you "fighting against jihadists": when you threatened to murder "Islamophobes"?

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Sometime I target atheists and I defend christianity judaism and other religion against the arguments of atheists.
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What a straw man argument. Atheists are not threatening to oppress and murder Jews and Christians—pious Muslims are.

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As for as islamophobs or those who believe islam as evil are concerned, I have not much experience to talk with them. May be I'm not as much knowledgeable to talk about everything but I can assure that muslims are not on the track. Even so called moderate muslims in my community are ignorant of true islamic values of islam.
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Like the value of murdering "Islamophobes"? It would be terrible if some Muslims were ignorant of such true Islamic values...

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But I know we all are not perfect but I believe that if there is God and if He cares to guide us then there is certainly His true message and we can see or recognize that message only if we have pure heart and good intentions.
I'm sorry that I've used harsh words but please understand that abusing prophet muhammad is more hurtful to us than any other thing. we can give our life but we can't hear his abuse because in our heart he lives as a symbol of love and humanity.
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You consider a warlord, assassin, pedophile, caravan raider, slave-trader, rapist and pedophile a "symbol of love and humanity"? As a pious Muslim, of course you do.

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Please please don't abuse the beloved prophet muhammad. Pbuh
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And if we don't accept your vile "Prophet" you will kill us. All with a "pure heart" and "good intentions", of course. **Ugh**.

Here's my drawing of the appalling Muhammed, raping poor little nine-year-old Aisha on her "wedding night":

http://s478.beta.photobucket.com/user/gravenimageartist/media/AishasWedding-1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0#/user/gravenimageartist/media/AishasWedding-1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0&_suid=135918607632808917551400352302

Learning Koran wrote:

The Prophet’s Letters to Christians
Salaam and Greetings of Peace:
Letter to the Monks of St.
Catherine Monastery...
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Nice try. This is a famous forgery, created by the monks themselves in the hopes that Muslims would stop attacking and oppressing them.

Presenting this does *nothing* to make your case that Islam is anything but utterly vile.

Learning Koran,

I oppose Islam and consider it on the balance to be a force of great evil in the world today because, well, because of many reasons, too many to list. Here is one example out of about a gazillion: Your religion applied in accordance with its original and most authoritative texts and allowed to be implemented unopposed would crush the spirit of love and freedom that is part of human nature and expressed in forms such as this linked song (and many others) which would be banned in a strict Islamic society--both the expression itself and the woman's public performance...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_JdKJQPS9I

Because of this example, and a gazillion more like it, I say to hell with your "religion" and the trojan camel it rode in on.

Alternatively, put that in your hookah pipe and smoke it.

Luckily, you have an excuse for your ignorance of Islam - that is, you're learning the Koran.

Well, once you've learned it, try writing the same nonsense you have served up today without a sense of the ridiculous.

We here at JW were not born yesterday! You're a clown!

"You are so much laughable. Ok ok enjoy your irrational freedom."

Enjoying a song that honours something or someone other than your Allah is "irrational freedom"? You think the song and the woman's public performance of it should be illegal in a proper Islamic society, right?

Learning Koran,

What were you saying about the British and the Israelis? I've never heard this before. Please explain.

Learning Koran wrote:

Oho waging a war with most wicked manner and expecting that uuu (sic) should be forgiven for that.
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Notice that "Learning Koran" considers strong criticism of evil "waging a war", but clearly feels there is nothing violent about slavery, rape, oppression, and murdering your critics. This is the Muslim point of view in a nutshell.

And daring to speak out against the evils of Islam is "wicked", while those evils themselves are not. Notice that he does not even attempt to defend slavery, rape, pedophilia, and murder—and why would he? Since the are in the beloved Koran that he is leaning, he considers the permissibility of these horrors by Muslims "self evident".

Also note that he considers any criticism of Islam "unforgivable"—and we all know what that means in the context of Islam. We are all fair game for killing.

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Hahaha I have never seen such foolish and irrational argument. You are childish. Pity on you.
You are so much laughable. Ok ok enjoy your irrational freedom. It's like striking your head on a tree and crying that it's hurting.
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Under Islam, freedom *is* considered "irrational". Of course, Infidels are oppressed and humiliated, but even Muslims themselves consider themselves "slaves of Allah" and know that their fellow Muslims might turn on them at any moment, so the only "safety" is in unquestioningly following the strictures of Islam, no matter what damage their barbarism does to one's own humanity.

Also—note the last sentence: I believe this is a reference to Muslim violence in response to human freedom. He is claiming that if Muslims wage violent Jihad and kill us, that it is our own fault for daring to exercise our "irrational" freedoms.

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If you are so much concerned about humanity and killing any person of any crime then why are you silent on usa british and israeli imperialism and bloodbath.
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Note that he regards murdering the critics of Islam as killing a person for a "crime"—in other words, that criticizing Islam carries the death penalty. And why not? The loathsome "Prophet" had his critics assassinated, including and elderly lady and a nursing mother. *Ugh*.

And then the usual—that the 'real terrorism' is perpetrated not by violent Muslims, but by the civilized Americans, British, and Israelis who they dare to resist Jihad, no matter how restrained the manner. Instead, we should roll over for Muslim supremacy like the good little dhimmis we are, and our Muslim overlords *might* allow us to live.

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May be you are paid for talking irrational thing about islam. And abusing it would make a hero in the eyes of israeli government.
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Laughably predictable. The idea that no one could *possibly* have an issue with Islamic murder, slavery, oppression of women and minorities, and the crushing of love and freedom of expression—ergo they must be *paid* for their words. I'm sure we all wish someone were reimbursing us for the hours spent defending against the depredations of Islam, but it isn't so.

Also predictable: it's all the fault of the Joooooooooos. Who but the "perfidious" Israeli government could resist such a charmer as "Koran Learner" and his threats to kill us "Islamophobes"? I'm sure if we weren't all tools of Mossad that we would have all converted to Islam by now...sarc/off

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But you are childish because you are expecting forgiveness without feeling guilt.
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This last, of course, is another threat. This means that we are fair game for *murder*.

Has it occurred to "Koran Learner" that we don't believe we should feel "guilt" over exposing the evil of Islam? Of course not. And if we don't feel guilt, we should at least have the "decency" to feel fear. That's what Islam is all about.

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In this way you are exact similar to wahhabi salafi lunatics who think similarly. Shoot
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Also very, very common—the positing that daring to point out the violence of Islam is morally equivalent to waging violence in the name of Islam.

And what is that last? Is "shoot" an expression of frustration, or an indication of what he would like to do to all the posters who challenged his vile vaporings?

Learning Koran wrote:

Robert Spencer: "uff Islam is intolerant islam is intolerant islam is intolerant." ( he is tolerating? lol)
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Odd—this doesn't sound like the erudite Robert Spencer. I suppose this is not to be taken as a direct quote.

Wise people have long recognized the evil of tolerating the intolerant:

“But that's always a certain way to recognise a facist: when he's more powerful he kills everything that's different from him, he uses only brute force while law breaks like glass under his boots. And then, when he loses and when he's weak, he invokes the law and tolerance of differences. All of a sudden, he knows by heart every single human rights convention he broke so many times before.”
― Andrej Nikolaidis

“Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice.”
― Ayaan Hirsi Ali

And once again, Learning Koran continues his false moral equivalence, implying that peaceful Anti-Jihadists who point out how violent Islam is are—somehow—just the same as those committing violence in the name of Islam.

Odd, too, that "Koran Learner" posits that "Wahabbis" threatening others are anything but mainstream, when he himself on this very thread has threatened to murder those who dare to criticize Islam.

Nicely done gravenimage,

"Learning Koran," as his more recent posts indicate, has been reduced to a sputtering, nervously twitching, giggling pile of jelly on the floor. It is obvious to all onlookers that he has been humiliated because he cannot hold his own against you in a debate, and the concomitant fact that you as a non-Muslim western woman are vastly more intelligent and capable than he, as this thread vividly illustrates.

I suspect that he is thick-skinned enough regrading internet comments not to be ticked off too much by my playful wisecracks directed at him in previous comments ("hookah pipe" etc.), but he seems to have taken a nasty turn in response to the songstress and song I posted...

...Muhammad also had a problem with songs and songstresses...

I think he's trying to say RS is intolerant for for claiming intolerant islam is intolerant. Lol.

As Thomas Mann stated, "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil."

Kinana of Khaybar wrote:

Nicely done gravenimage,

"Learning Koran," as his more recent posts indicate, has been reduced to a sputtering, nervously twitching, giggling pile of jelly on the floor. It is obvious to all onlookers that he has been humiliated because he cannot hold his own against you in a debate, and the concomitant fact that you as a non-Muslim western woman are vastly more intelligent and capable than he, as this thread vividly illustrates.
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Thank you for your kind words, Kinana.

But my main aim was not to demolish his "arguments"—such as they are—but to point out his ugly irrationality to any well-meaning readers here who might otherwise be swayed by his bs.

Getting him to "drop his mask" was not difficult, since he had already exposed his viciousness in the Tweet, above.

And the fact is, as I noted, that pious Muslims don't expect to have to win debates. Rather, they intend to bully and terrify anyone who disagrees with them. When they are weak, they will also lie and obfuscate the horrors of Islam. And then, they can always threaten to attack or kill anyone who is too steadfast in countering their viciousness.

Really, we've seen all of these tactics here from "Learning Koran", save for his actually carrying out attacks—and he might well have moved on to that if this had been a face-to-face debate rather than an on-line forum.

In other words, Muslims can't debate—and like all Fascists, they don't believe they should have to.

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And we have this, again from "Learning Koran":

"Sometime I target atheists and I defend christianity judaism and other religion against the arguments of atheists."

Needless to say, he's not winning me (an atheist) over with that. But what is it? Leans more toward at-feet, i.e., attempting, or mock-attempting, to ingratiate himself with what he perceives to be a Christian majority in the audience.
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I believe you are right—this is generally "at your feet". He is trying to imply that Christians and Jews should ally with Muslims against atheists. And some few Jews and Christians have actually been fool enough to take this to heart.

But this is ludicrous—atheists are not threatening Jews and Christians, even if they don't share their beliefs. Whereas Islam is a threat to Jews, Christians, and atheists—and Hindus, and Buddhists, and animists, and Wiccans, and Scientologists, and New Age Spiritualists, and agnostics—on and on—and even "other sect" Muslims.

In practice, Muslims are no more decent to "People of the Book" than any other "filthy Infidels"—in fact, they especially target Jews.

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...but he seems to have taken a nasty turn in response to the songstress and song I posted...

...Muhammad also had a problem with songs and songstresses...
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I had meant to thank you for posting that link, Kinana. I've always loved Fleetwood Mac's music.

A beautiful, confident, talented woman singing about song, love, and the solace of those things—of course any pious Muslim would hate it with a passion.

And wherever pious Muslims gain ascendancy, these things are crushed. Most recently in northern Mali, which until recently was known for its huge music festival.

Now, instead, it is known for kidnappings, bloody amputations and stonings.

I hope you are enjoying the new year so far, Kinana—vile Jihdists like "Learning Koran" notwithstanding.

DJM wrote:

I think he's trying to say RS is intolerant for for claiming intolerant islam is intolerant. Lol.

As Thomas Mann stated, "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil."
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Right you are, DJM. And thank you for posting that quote by Thomas Mann—in fact, I had three quotes in mind about the tolerance of intolerance, and the Thomas Mann quote was the one that I couldn't quite think of!

Good stuff from yourself, Kinana of Khaybar, and Buraq.

"I hope you are enjoying the new year so far, Kinana—vile Jihdists like "Learning Koran" notwithstanding."

Thanks Graven, it's going pretty good so far. All the best to you, Buraq, DJM, and whoever else may be reading this thread at this point.

BTW, I played up the "humiliation" aspect in regards to your easy trouncing of "Learning Koran" a bit there to poke him in the ribs a bit, so to speak, because Islamic supremacists are usually viewing these exchanges as hinging on humiliation/pride and defeat/victory and so forth, rather than as opportunities to genuinely learn something and truly debate the issues.

"Learning Koran" wrote:

Neither you can destroy islam nor you can destroy the muslim ummah. Work hard my dear mischievous brothers. I know how the expert of debates twist everything towards the exactly opposite meanings of whatever is said.
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You'd think that using reason were some sort of "trick"—no doubt you see it that way. But I would like you to explain—just in simple, plain English—how Islam is *not* about oppression, slavery, brutality, and the crushing of freedoms.

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you are hateful and you are exact copy of satan.
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How is standing against horrors such as the systematic abuse of under-aged girls as young as nine 'satanic'? How is standing against enslavement 'satanic'? How is stancing agsint the stoning of rape victims 'satanic'?

Islam condones and even sacralizes all of these and more. You are a person who condones all of these horrors, it seems—certainly, you have not said a word against them. *That* sounds satanic to me.

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You can see your real image in the mirror. poor robert spencer is wasting his life for defaming islam but look in the history. You will see him as successful as abu jahal.
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What rot. Robert Spencer is merely peacefully pointing out the aggression of Islam.

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Again I request you. Be united seek all political and military support from america israel etc and declare war against all muslims and declare war against islam.
Lets see your strength.. Come on !
It's open challenge!
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What idiocy. We just want to live free of Shari'ah and safe from violent Jihad. I have absolutely no problems with Muslims as long as they are not threatening to kill me, as you are.

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I have sympathy with innocent non muslims but for islamophobes there is only one thing.... Hahaha
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And so, "Learning Koran" ends as he began—threatening to murder anyone who dares to point out the violence of Islam. At least he's consistent.

Learning Koran,

First of all, let me say that you come across as a coward who hides behind a keyboard making threats. It is completely foolish to come on here and challenge people to show their strength etc. If you want to fight people physically, it makes no sense to come on to a blog and start making a lot of ineffectual and meaningless threats. The more you huff and puff and strut, the more you look like a fool and the less people will even seriously consider anything you have to say.

You are immature and think the entire discussion is some kind of battle--that is, when you are not trying to trick us into thinking you are peaceful and non-violent. I must say I'm not surprised though; I've seen plenty of Muslims over the years switch between jihad mode and da'wa outreach mode in very short time frame, as in minutes and seconds.

Who do you think you're fooling here? We've seen this all before, ad nauseam. The more you write here, the more you damage the image of Islam and Muslims. If you want to know why so many non-Muslims around the world have a negative feeling about Islam, take a look in the mirror. Take a look at the crap you wrote on the twitter and in this thread. Then take a look at what's reported here from mainstream news sources on a daily basis.

Are you still learning the Quran? From what you've presented here you show no sign of having any knowledge of it, beyond its basic themes of hostility and animosity toward the kuffar, i.e., those who know of Islam but do not accept it. I learned it a long time ago, and have re-read it multiple times, and have studied it, and various supportive and relevant texts (Hadith, Sira, tafsirs, etc.) in detail. So feel free to ask me anything you like, and I would be glad to help you learn more about the Quran and its supportive texts. Unlike your opinion, my opinion of Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran is based on approximately 8 years of research in my spare time.

So feel free to discuss anything about it with me, as long as you are ready to hear a critical/opposing view.

Earlier you wrote:

"If you want to criticise islam then you can do it scholarly. You can put the views of well known historians and philosophers. You can quote religious sources with well accepted interpreters."

But you consider all criticism of Islam and Muhammad, scholarly and non-scholarly, to be Islamophobia and therefore in your mind worthy of the death penalty. In other words, you don't sincerely or consistently believe what you said above, as evidenced by your numerous threats, and so forth.

You don't engage in scholarly discussion of Islam, and you don't accept scholarly discussion of Islam, unless it is pure pious flattery. Genuine scholarship seeks the truth, regardless of whether what we find in our investigation is to our liking. You apparently consider all criticism of Muhammad to be an evil criminal act worthy of the death penalty. You think that legitimate criticism of Muhammad is "abuse." No it isn't. It's abuse to let his many problems, his many moral failings, and evils, to go uncriticized. And it's evil to follow his example of murder, rape, slavery, and plunder.

You are attempting to dictate what is and what is not acceptable discussion of a religious/political/military figure (Muhammad). But whether one is a scholar or not, everyone has free expression, in terms of being able to disagree publicly with religious, political, and other kinds of ideas. You, and all Muslims, enjoy the freedom to criticize other people's religions and politics. You can freely criticize religions other than Islam. No one has denied you the right to do that. But you want to deny others the right to criticize your religious-political system. Just admit it to yourself: You have a double standard.

I wrote: "But whether one is a scholar or not, everyone has free expression, in terms of being able to disagree publicly with religious, political, and other kinds of ideas."

That is, everyone should have such a right.

Learning Koran says:

"poor robert spencer is wasting his life for defaming islam but look in the history. You will see him as successful as abu jahal."

Threat noted. But history? There is no credible objective historical evidence that the character "Abu Jahl" (Amr ibn Hisham) ever existed. That's not history; it's mythology, or legend, at best. What Learning K says there is another indirect death threat against Spencer, because L K knows that Spencer knows what is said to have happened to Abu Jahl in the Islamic texts (he was killed, by beheading).

When I refer to Muhammad, Allah, etc., what I mean is "the character in Islamic legends known as ___________ ," but as you can imagine it's tedious to add that in every usage. Anyways, I don't believe in the veracity of the Islamic texts, so it's reasonable to assume that when I'm talking about these characters, I regard them as probably largely legendary or mythological entities. It's like referring to Merlin the magician, or some such figure. At the same time, I do recognize that Muslims have made the mistake of taking such texts as the Quran, and the portions of the Hadith that are viewed as genuine, etc., as authoritative.

I say this, because I would not want any Muslims such as Learning K to think that discussing these characters implies that I endorse their historical veracity.

Learning Koran,

"Hahaha. Islamophobs don't exist."

I think you need to get your story straight. Should they be killed, or do they not exist?

"We will destroy terrorism and the wahhabi theology that propagates it."

Sure, what a relief. You will get rid of those darn Wahhabis and replace them with "moderate" thugs like you right?

"We will destroy every blasphemous person of any religion."

Any religion? So you are going to "destroy" Muslims who quote the Quran when it blasphemes other religions? You are going to self-destruct, perhaps.

Listen, Learning Koran, it's past your bed time. Have some milk and cookies, brush your teeth, and get to bed like your mother tells you.

Nighty night.

"It's duty to remove the unclean."

Unclean, as in people of weak or corrupted faith...people who say "...if there is a God..."? Begin the cleaning on yourself then, you kafir-agnostic!

"Learning Koran" wrote:

Hahaha. Islamophobs don't exist. They are only obsessions. They neither have a history nor a future.
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Actually, Western Infidels understood the threat of Jihad for centuries, and fought back against the depredations of Islam many times, as at the Battle of Tours, the Battle of Lepanto, and the Gates of Vienna.

It is only in the past couple of hundred years, after a period of (comparative) quiescence brought about by Western efforts, that so many Westerners came to forget or downplay the terrible threat of Islam.

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The campaign like MyJihad is probably last best attempt from true muslims to save the islamic values.
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Well, this is *hilarious*. The #MyJihad campaign is one of Taqiyya, which is meant to present Islam as a faith concerned with getting the kids to school on time and staying in shape despite a hectic schedule, rather than actually presenting the appalling tenets of this vile creed.

But then, "Learning Koran" has clearly been unclear on its purpose from the beginning, or else he wouldn't have let those impolitic death threats slip.

And the "last best attempt from true muslims to save the islamic values" is, of course, the waging of violent Jihad.

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But I'm not related to this campaign. I'm related to something that is coming in near future inshaAllah.
We will destroy terrorism and the wahhabi theology that propagates it.
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How, exactly, do you differ from the Wahhabis? You want to impose Islam and prevent anyone from criticizing it at point of death. Those are Wahhabi values—because Wahhabi values are solid Islamic values.

And how can you say you want to "destroy terrorism", when you are threatening to murder anyone who dares to disagree with you? This is the very essence of terrorism.

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We will destroy every blasphemous person of any religion.
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Jews and Christians are not calling for the destruction of "blasphemous" persons. Neither are Hindus, Buddhists, or Wiccans. Only Islam does this.

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We will destroy all robert spencers ladens hitlers and rushdies.
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Notice his grouping two peaceful critics of Islam—Robert Spencer and Salman Rushdie—with mass murderers like bin Laden and Adolf Hitler.

Also well worth noting: pious Muslim adore bin Laden, and consider 9/11 the "gold standard" of Jihad terror, against which all other atrocities done in the name of Islam are measured. When the United States took out bin Laden, his vile coreligionists vowed revenge.

And the genocidal Hitler is one of the very few Infidels whom many Muslim admire.

Here's one story:

"Hitler honored in upscale mall in modern, moderate Turkey"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/01/hitler-honored-in-upscale-mall-in-modern-moderate-turkey.html

The Mufti of Jerusalem was an an ally of Hitler at the time, and Mein Kampf remains a huge best seller in the Muslim world to this day.

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Whenever I say that terrorist or islamophobes should be killed like criminals as they are dangerous then I mean only to kill them by the ruling authority islamic or secular.
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What he means, of course, is that critics of Islam will be murdered under Shari'ah. No secular authority is going to do that kind of dirty work for him.

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Actually you want mischief everywhere. You will start targeting any religion if you will see it's adherents are becoming practising or orthodox. There is much militant atheism becoming popular that is targeting every religion.
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Ridiculous. There are orthodox Jews and Christians who present absolutely no threat to any of their fellow creatures. "Orthodoxy" is only an issue if it calls for the oppression and murder of those who are not orthodox, as Islam does.

And his implication that all "Islamophobes" are 'religion-hating atheists' is absurd. Many posters here at Jihad Watch—including several who have replied on this thread—are religious people. Robert Spencer himself is a practicing Melkite Catholic.

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You don't want peace. You want abuse, conflict and consider it as fun.
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What utter rot. Most of us would rather be doing something else, but consider it a moral imperitive to stand against the evils of Islamic supremacism.

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Even if we don't apply islamic law then too you are worthy of punishment
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Under what law—besides the horror of brutal Shari'ah—is it a punishable offense to criticize the horrors of Islam? (This is, of course, a rhetorical question)

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It's duty to remove the unclean. And as your comment indicates that you are confessing that you are unclean and that is why quran may be targeting you. Thanks for reminding me correct term for you.
THE UNCLEAN.
GREAT DESCRIPTION!
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Now "Learning Koran" is in full on Islamic mode, ranting in all caps and calling for the liquidation of the "unclean".

Absolutely horrifying, but hardly a surprise.

Listen, Jihadwatch documents the actions and beliefs of Islamic supremacists. You're helping us do that.

Carl Ernst's ideological patrons include, by his choice, the Iranian regime:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/01/why-are-american-professors-accepting-awards-from-irans-thug-in-chief.html

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/12/well-done-good-and-faithful-servant-unc-academic-propagandist-receives-award-from-irans-thug-in-chie.html

I wonder if "Doctor" Ernst, when he visited his Islamic supremacist anti-Semitic bosses and pals in the Iranian regime, got to witness any executions of homosexuals, adulterers, peaceful dissidents, apostates, "blasphemers," and so on? Perhaps Ernst, in his love of all things Islamic, got a temporary "marriage" to a nine-year old girl while he was there? After all, it would be Islamophobic to object to such a practice, right Ernst? Everyone knows, as Ernst argues ad nauseam in his book that is purportedly on Muhammad, the real evil criminals are the West and the United States.

No wonder then, that "Learning Koran" cites his beloved Carl Ernst.

Indeed.

So you see, "Learning Koran", your little piece of venom by prof Ernst is well known to Mr Spencer and JW in general. There is nothing new to it, and the contents are the usual from those who prefer we ignore the tenets of Islam.

"Learning Koran" wrote:

The frustration of robert spencer would not help him.
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Actually, you are the one who seems frustrated. You can do nothing to really defend the appalling barbarism of your creed, so you resort to bullying and threats. *Ugh*.

Learning Koran,

You are boring. Drop Islam, learn about something interesting and real, get out and meet some new people, then things might improve for you.

"Learning Koran" wrote:

Ok frustrated people I'm leaving you. keep enjoying your irrational hate mongering. I know where you stand and what is your "worth".
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"Leaving"—if only he were! Oh, he may—finally, as this story fell into the archives several days ago—be leaving off ranting on this thread, but he and his ilk will *not* be leaving us alone. He and his vicious coreligionists will continue to threaten us for daring to tell the truth about the savagery of his creed.

And this is what he regards as "hate mongering"—speaking out against systematic oppression, slavery, barbarism, and summary murder.

And that last reference about our "worth" is not meant philosophically as it would be by a rational Westerner—instead, it means that pious Muslims consider "Islamophobes" such as ourselves worthless, and so fair game for slaughter.

But I am *glad* that Muslim supremacists like "Learning Koran" knows where we stand, and that where we stand is firmly against the very horrors he seeks to impose.

It is well and good that he knows we will not be rolling over for Islam, and intend to stand strong!

Gravenimage

I just came back into the archives just now.

The thread made, shall we say, interesting reading.

Rather like watching a team of adepts engaged in an exorcism. Not in the sense of actually getting rid of The Islam that sits inside 'LK's skull, eating his brains; but in forcing a clear manifestation of it, in all its snarling ugliness.

Kinana

I have been doing other things so missed this lengthy exchange while it was happening.

I don't know whether you'll come back and read this in future, but if you do, I simply must say, you did a fantastic job in this thread, in which you did most of the 'heavy lifting', with a bit of help from Gravenimage and Steffen Larsen.

It was a pleasure to watch you at work.

Dumbledore's Army wrote:

The thread made, shall we say, interesting reading.

Rather like watching a team of adepts engaged in an exorcism. Not in the sense of actually getting rid of The Islam that sits inside 'LK's skull, eating his brains; but in forcing a clear manifestation of it, in all its snarling ugliness.
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Yes, Dumbledore's Army—absolutely a textbook case of a vicious Islamic apologist in the West. Starting with death threats; moving on to the vaguest and most unspecific Taqiyya, which he clearly expected hopeful Infidels to gratefully swallow whole, without question; then a swift return to Muslim supremacism and more threats when challenged.

And I very much agree with your assessment of Kinana of Khaybar's fine work here.