Robert Spencer: Hillary Lets the Jihadist Cat Out of the Bag

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Now she tells us. My article in FrontPage this morning focuses on a largely overlooked aspect of Clinton's testimony yesterday:

After four years of pretending there is no jihad against the free world, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton blurted out the truth during her testimony on the Benghazi jihad massacre Wednesday: “We now face a spreading jihadist threat,” she said, adding: “We have to recognize this is a global movement.”

We do? Yet the Obama administration has for years steadfastly and repeatedly denied both that there was a jihadist threat at all and that it was a global movement. So far has the Obama administration been from acknowledging that there was a jihad threat that less than two months into Obama’s first term, on March 16, 2009, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano noted proudly that in her first testimony to Congress, “I did not use the word ‘terrorism,’ I referred to ‘man-caused’ disasters. That is perhaps only a nuance, but it demonstrates that we want to move away from the politics of fear toward a policy of being prepared for all risks that can occur.”

Even “terrorism,” absent a modifier, was a politically correct euphemism for jihad violence that demonstrated an unwillingness to examine the beliefs of the jihadists, for to have done so would have led straight into Islam. Those who described those dedicated to destroying the United States simply as “terrorists” generally did not want to admit that Islam had anything to do with that war. George W. Bush had started this ball rolling when he proclaimed Islam a “religion of peace” shortly after 9/11; however, Bush officials could and did explore the Islamic texts and teachings that illuminated jihadist motives and goals. Under Obama, it became official U.S. policy not to do so.

On May 13, 2010, Attorney General Eric Holder testified before the House Judiciary Committee, where he was questioned repeatedly by Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX) about whether the Fort Hood jihad mass murders, the attempted jihad car bombing in Times Square, and the Christmas underwear jihad bomber over Detroit could be attributed to “radical Islam.” Holder repeatedly refused to agree to this, going only so far as to say: “There are a variety of reasons why people do these things. Some of them are potentially religious.”

Noted Smith: “I don’t know why the administration has such difficulty acknowledging the obvious, which is that radical Islam might have incited these individuals. If you can’t name the enemy, then you’re going to have a hard time trying to respond to them.”

Indeed. Nonetheless, Obama’s nominee for CIA director, John Brennan, who is the current Deputy National Security Advisor for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism, echoed Holder’s reluctance to say that Islam had anything to do with jihad terrorism on May 26, 2010, during a speech at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. He declared: “Nor do we describe our enemies as jihadists or Islamists because jihad is a holy struggle, a legitimate tenet of Islam meaning to purify oneself or one’s community.” Brennan has repeated this many times, and has defined the enemy not as a global movement, but as a “small fringe of fanatics” consisting of al-Qaeda and “its terrorist affiliates.”

It was no surprise, then, that Brennan readily agreed in October 2011 to demands from Islamic supremacist groups with links to the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas, including the Council on American-Islamic Relations and the Islamic Society of North America, to purge all training materials for law enforcement and intelligence agents of all mention of Islam or jihad. Dwight C. Holton, former U.S. Attorney for the District of Oregon, emphasized that training materials for the FBI would be purged of everything politically incorrect: “I want to be perfectly clear about this: training materials that portray Islam as a religion of violence or with a tendency towards violence are wrong, they are offensive, and they are contrary to everything that this president, this attorney general and Department of Justice stands for. They will not be tolerated.”

In December 2011, when Rep. Dan Lungren (R-CA) asked Paul Stockton, assistant defense secretary for homeland defense, whether “we are at war with violent Islamist extremism,” Stockton did his best to dodge the question and finally answered: “I don’t believe it’s helpful to frame our adversary as Islamic with any set of qualifiers that we might add, because we are not at war with Islam.”

This created numerous absurd situations, since Islamic jihadists so often spoke of Islam and jihad in explaining and justifying their actions, but the Obama administration plowed ahead anyway. Most notoriously, it characterized the November 2009 Fort Hood jihad massacre, when Major Nidal Hasan, a self-described “soldier of Allah” who had given numerous indications of his jihadist proclivities and was shouting “Allahu akbar” as he murdered thirteen Americans, not as Islamic jihad or even terrorism, but as “workplace violence.”

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I noticed she said the 'J' word also...These people live in an dream world of twisted reality and denial...They go along with the insane Obama doctrine of 'protect the image of Islam, at all, or any cost'...Even the people who seem to know about jihad use qualifiers like 'radical', or 'extremists', trying hard to not implicate Islam itself...All these fools are accomplishing is getting more Americans murdered at home and abroad...These are the most treasonous gangsters ever in power in the US, led by the chief treason maker...Rasool Obama...Benedict Arnold has serious competition......

MUGGED BY JIHADIST REALITY

To sum up Robert's article: The Moslem Outreach, al Qaida is decimated, see no evil in Islam administration has been mugged by the reality that global anti-American jihad is alive and well and growing like a cancer.

... (Clinton) “We now face a spreading jihadist threat,” she said, adding: “We have to recognize this is a global movement.”

vs.

(image video) "#MyJihad Ad Campaign Now on Chicago Buses"
'jihad' - as personal struggle, not 'holy war.'

http://schnellmann.org/myjihad-ad-campaign.html

(video) "Benghazi-gate" with Glenn Beck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD8fplnHgQE


1:20 Min Hillary Clinton stands there with Obama, as the dead bodies returns from Lybia, 14 Sep 2012, and blamed the youtube video "... we see rage & violence over an awful video"

"Islamist" seems to be the latest media word to describe the mohammedan terrorists.

I think they intended it as a portmanteau word derived from 'islamic extremist', with the implication that these were the proverbial 'tiny minority of extremists'. But of course adding 'ist' to the end of an English noun produces a word that means a believer or follower.

For example, Gaullist means a follower or supporter of Charles de Gaulle. anarchist means a supporter of anarchy, a socialist is an advocate of socialism.

So islamist is simply a synonym for mohammedan - or muhammadan, muhammedan, muslim, moslem, saracen, moor, musselman, etc.

So for once the media are using the correct word!

Although Hillary Clinton may have momentary let the jihadist cat out of the bag, does this signal that the Obama administration will begin speaking the words Islam and jihad terrorism in the same sentence? Not a chance.

I wish we had a crystal ball. It would be useful to see how much more 'Islam related damage' that Obama and company will continue to inflict on the free world over the next 3 1/2 plus years.

When the Muslim Brother-backed Morsi travels to the US shortly, you can bet that he'll be treated like royalty.....a sad State of affairs indeed.....

We ex-Muslims living with Islam's formal and informal death penalty for apostasy find it very disturbing that the Obama administration and other Western Nations are so clueless and/or tight lipped about the monumental danger posed by Islamic theology/ideology.

Here is a recent statement from a group of Bangladeshi apostates living in the UK explaining the reasons why they have abandoned Islam:

"One who claims to be a messenger of God is expected to live a saintly life. He must not be given to lust, he must not be a sexual pervert, and he must not be a rapist, a highway robber, a war criminal, a mass murderer or an assassin. One who claims to be a messenger of God must have a superior character. He must stand above the vices of the people of his time. Yet Muhammad’s life is that of a gangster godfather. He raided merchant caravans, looted innocent people, massacred entire male populations and enslaved the women and children. He raped the women captured in war after killing their husbands and told his followers that it is okay to have sex with their captives (Qur'an 33:50). He assassinated those who criticized him and executed them when he came to power and became de facto despot of Arabia. Muhammad was bereft of human compassion. He was an obsessed man with his dreams of grandiosity and could not forgive those who stood in his way...

The statement continues,

Muhammad was a narcissist, like Hitler, Saddam or Stalin. He was astute and knew how to manipulate people, but his emotional intelligence was less evolved than that of a 6-year-old child. He simply could not feel the pain of others. He brutally massacred thousands of innocent people and pillaged their wealth. His ambitions were big and as a narcissist he honestly believed he is entitled to do as he pleased and commit all sorts of crimes and his evil deeds are justified."

Meant to say - Muslim BrotherHOOD-backed Morsi

Most of those Senators were a disgrace, gushing over her like school boys with a crush...Why not just throw rose petals and sing, 'Here she comes, Miss America'...And we expect tough demanding questions out of them? She says she's responsible but is taking steps to make sure it never happens again...Maybe immediate resignation would be a good first step...

Yes, Saleem--nothing to take note of here; Hillary meant the exact opposite of what she declared; clarifying obfuscations are sure to follow, lest Ikhwanist sensitivities be ruffled.

'Who is an Islamist?' Ibrahim Hooper (CAIR) "Unfortunately, the term 'Islamist' has become shorthand for "Muslims we don't like." …

Oooops . . .she let a biggie slip and confirmed it with the lame attempt to foist blame on the right for lack of funding.

The rest of her 'testimony' was par for the Clinton deception course.

Yesterday, Rand Paul suggested he would have fired Hillary for her incompetence. That is not the first time Hillary would have been fired. . .Watergate-era Judiciary chief of staff: Hillary Clinton fired for lies, unethical behavior"

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The now-retired general counsel and chief of staff of the House Judiciary Committee, who supervised Hillary when she worked on the Watergate investigation, says Hillary’s history of lies and unethical behavior goes back farther – and goes much deeper – than anyone realizes.

Jerry Zeifman, a lifelong Democrat, supervised the work of 27-year-old Hillary Rodham on the committee. Hillary got a job working on the investigation at the behest of her former law professor, Burke Marshall, who was also Sen. Ted Kennedy’s chief counsel in the Chappaquiddick affair. When the investigation was over, Zeifman fired Hillary from the committee staff and refused to give her a letter of recommendation – one of only three people who earned that dubious distinction in Zeifman’s 17-year career.

Why?

“Because she was a liar,” Zeifman said in an interview last week. “She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality.”

How could a 27-year-old House staff member do all that? She couldn’t do it by herself, but Zeifman said she was one of several individuals – including Marshall, special counsel John Doar and senior associate special counsel (and future Clinton White House Counsel) Bernard Nussbaum – who engaged in a seemingly implausible scheme to deny Richard Nixon the right to counsel during the investigation. [copy/paste from FreeRepublic comment #5]


SANAA | Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:34pm EST
(Reuters) - At least six suspected al Qaeda members were killed in a U.S. drone strike in northern Yemen on Wednesday, local sources said, in an escalating campaign in which at least 20 Islamist militants have died this week.

The United States never comments on strikes by its pilotless aircraft, which it has used to track down militants in Yemen for years. The Yemeni government tolerates such strikes but usually does not comment on the U.S. role in specific incidents.

Washington has scaled up action against al Qaeda in Yemen, where the group exploited widespread anti-government unrest in 2011 to seize swathes of territory in the southern part of the country, before being driven out in a U.S.-backed offensive in June last year.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/23/us-yemen-qaeda-idUSBRE90M1H520130123

so what exactly are you saying here or better yet what is your point?
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After four years of pretending there is no jihad against the free world, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton blurted out the truth during her testimony on the Benghazi jihad massacre Wednesday: “We now face a spreading jihadist threat,” she said, adding: “We have to recognize this is a global movement.”
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Wow—and yet, just a few weeks ago, the Obama administration was vaporing that "Al Qaida"—as close as they have come to acknowledging *any* sort of Jihad threat—it is on the brink of being eradicated entirely.

Never mind that terrorist Shari'ah state they're setting up in northern Mali—let alone all the Jihad being waged all over the world, both by Al Qaida and their hydra-headed fellow Jihaists.

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Even “terrorism,” absent a modifier, was a politically correct euphemism for jihad violence that demonstrated an unwillingness to examine the beliefs of the jihadists, for to have done so would have led straight into Islam. Those who described those dedicated to destroying the United States simply as “terrorists” generally did not want to admit that Islam had anything to do with that war. George W. Bush had started this ball rolling when he proclaimed Islam a “religion of peace” shortly after 9/11...
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Yes. But, as noted, even calling violent Jihad "terrorism" was too close to the truth for Obama and his administration.

We have, in fact, been moving *backward* in acknowledging the Jihad threat on an official level.

So—what about these words from Madam Clinton?

An aside—I have long decided that if we as a society finally faced the Jihad threat, that I would steadfastly take the high road—that is, that I would be glad of the outcome, and not bitter about the path and the demonizing of Anti-Jihadists that we took to get there.

I am enough of a student of history to know that this *always* happens—abolitionists who had been working for the end of slavery for decades were slighted and pushed aside during the Civil War, and those who early understood the rising threat of the Axis were derided as "premature Anti-Fascists".

And yet, what does it matter? The important thing is facing the threat.

So my big concern here is not how long Clinton took to get the least little clue—although, goodness knows, it is hard not to focus on this—but that this will be no more than a blip, a little noticed and soon forgotten "gaffe" on the part of the outgoing Secretary of State.

Instead, I hope this snowballs, even if Hillary gets all the credit. I hope her words are not forgotten, weak and late as they are.

I hope this is the beginning of an "official" wake-up. I pray that it is so.

Yes, the West's political elite dangerously misunderstands the global threat
from Islam, via jihad and sharia, in such ways as these:-

1.) it censors open discussion of the history and tenets of Islam;

2.) it defers to Muslims, notably to Muslim Brotherhood supporters, for a 'politically correct' line on Islam;

3.) it persists in using misleading, euphemistic language about Islam
(in an increasingly contradictory way);

4.) it still encourages mass immigration from Islamic countries.

"Noted Smith: “I don’t know why the administration has such difficulty acknowledging the obvious, which is that radical Islam might have incited these individuals. If you can’t name the enemy, then you’re going to have a hard time trying to respond to them.”"

And it does appear that Representative Smith, like so many of our elected "representatives" is unable to name the enemy; for there is no such thing as "radical" Islam.

A slip of the tongue will occur now and again, as with the perennially mendacious Hillary this week when she used the term "jihadist," but the elites in this country are still very much into game-playing (and denial) and so the Great Pretend Game (GPG) will continue for some time to come whereby the enemy of America and all the West, i.e., Islam, is treated as something benign and misunderstood. Doing so, of course, is idiotic but man often plays the role of idiot.

I don't think it was a slip of the tongue. More likely calculated political posturing; a temporary maneuver to make the public think that the Obama administration and Hillary are tough and no-nonsense regarding the ever-expanding Islamic terrorist threat. I should add that some people do use the term jihadists, without necessarily accepting the the premise that these jihadists (Islamic terrorists) are acting in a way that is true to Islamic texts and teachings.

I do not believe for one second that Hillary and the Obama administration have abandoned Islam as a "great religion," peaceful religion, since all faiths are good and people of faith have our "greatest respect" and so forth.

Has anyone else noticed Hillary's *interesting* choice of a green suit? ...and she wore that same color green during her recent meeting with Morsi. Why is she wearing that particular color green, to appease the muslim savages? Maybe, or maybe not--I don't know for sure, but it is their signature color. I just think it's an interesting color choice, under the circumstances; and she's showing really poor taste, both literally and figuratively. I mean not only is that color gross to begin with, but what it represents is even more appalling: islam!

Hillary ...what an evil tool! 😈

“We now face a spreading jihadist threat,” she said, adding: “We have to recognize this is a global movement.”

Well, hello, Hilary, thanks for noticing.
But keep those jihadists rolling into the country, and keep paying for their weapons...

Well, what a relief to get a snippet of truth out of HRC after her lifetime of lies, cries, alibis, and suddenly reappearing office supplies (boxes of Whitewater records).

I often disagree with der ol professor, Juan Cole, but this time I think he makes a much more persuasive argument about what happened in Benghazi and the aftermath than anything I have read at Jwatch. I urge you to read it and see if you don't agree.

Top Ten Republican Myths on Benghazi that Justify Hillary Clinton’s Anger
http://www.juancole.com/2013/01/republican-benghazi-clintons.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+juancole%2Fymbn+%28Informed+Comment%29&utm_content=Yahoo%21+Mail

My point is that there is lots of evidence that contradicts those that believe the Obama admin is soft on Islamic terrorists. Brennan, here criticized for being soft on Islamic extremism, is the principle proponent of the drone program killing jihadis (and sometimes innocent bystanders) as well as the program of enhanced interrogation aka torture. These events don't often get a lot of MSM press.

"I often disagree with der ol professor, Juan Cole"

Yeah, sure.

Anyways, unless the reader assumes Cole is omniscient and presents everything accurately, I wouldn't put too much stock in that piece. He doesn't provide any sources to back up what he's saying. But, being omniscient, and assuming his readers take everything he says at face value, I don't suppose he has to bother with pesky things like references, does he?

okay, correction, he does provide a few refs, one of them to his own blog, but most of it is just his say-so/ spin.

I agree with all the points you mentioned except I think that your first sentence would make more sense if it were to read, "West's political elite willfully misunderstand the global threat from Islam," etc.

Unlike many, I refuse to believe that our political elites are idiots.

So you believe that *all* persons holding office in *all* parts of the west are actively *evil*? They're all in on some enormous plot?

Me, I prefer to remember the old maxim - never attribute to malice what can be sufficiently explained by stupidity.

Hillary Clinton appears to be, and to have been for many years (including prior to any known contact with Muslims) a bad person, and such are always courted by Muslims when they are setting about to destroy a target group.

I am also quite prepared to believe that there are actual traitors, whether individuals or in groups, who have been bribed, or threatened, or blackmailed, or seduced into consciously carrying water for the Jihad; but I doubt that every single person in office in every single parliament in every western country (or beyond the west) is a signed up member or puppet of some vast mysterious conspiracy. That's tinfoil hat territory.

You *have* to remember that one of the chief ways that the Ummah in its various local manifestations has spread historically is not only by open violence, but by infiltration and subversion - **deception**. The smiles with the knife under the cloak. Think of the story of how Mohammed and his gang managed to inveigle their way into Yathrib/ Medina, in the first place; the Medinans took pity on the poor persecuted fellows and gave them sanctuary.... Baaaad move.

Our politicians are merely people: some evil, some good, some not very strongly either, and most not particularly smart and, these days, mostly very badly educated.

And that is why the Scriptures enjoin those of us who are Christians to *pray* for those who govern us; and it doesn't say that we are only to pray for those whom we agree with, or those whom we think are *good* people.

Pray for the souls of our elected representatives, and those who are contemplating running for office - locally (sheriff, mayor) as well as at other, higher levels. Pray for their awakening to the reality of what Islam is and intends. Pray for their protection and deliverance from the malign influence of Islam, however that may be affecting them - through their being confused and ignorant, or through simple fear (threats; blackmail), or through their being deceived by practised Muslim lies and glib sob stories, or through bribery, or even - in the case of a few - *conversion*. Pray for the granting of wisdom and courage. Pray that your particular senator and congressperson may be spiritually illuminated and physically protected. And if you have reason to believe someone is a traitor, consciously serving the jihad, pray not merely for exposure, and removal from office, but for the person's repentance and deliverance.

What is it about this mendacious, petulant, arrogant hag that so endears her to the American public? She has been blatantly busted in so many falsehoods I can't count them all and yet she is never held accountable! She can't even smile with sincerity; her eyes aren't in sync with her mouth. She is a bitter, evil woman and yet she is at the top of the 'most admired women in America' list.

She is an unremarkable woman with tenacious ambitions and few qualifications who would be a complete unknown if not for her husband, and she tolerated his womanizing and indiscretions because she needed him to advance her brazen agenda. She remained married to Clinton in name only and became the Queen of Suffering Wives, which apparently endowed her with the wisdom, character, and integrity to be president. America has certainly lowered its standards.

'Islamist' has become shorthand for "Muslims we don't like."

I don't like any of them; they have all been poisoned at the same well. Kuffar has become shorthand for the two-thirds of humanity muslims don't like. I don't like being referred to as 'filth' simply because I reject the evil ideology of islam but I don't get to whine about it on television. Islam is an abomination and muslims believe it; that makes them all suspect.

I tend to agree more with dumbledoresarmy than with Veritas above on the "Elites are evil" issue. However, that doesn't mean we are constrained to think no Western Elite may be evil. I'd say it's reasonable to suppose that, for example, both Clintons are evil; that Obama is evil; that Noam Chomsky is evil; that Ward Churchill is evil (if a professor may be deemed an "Elite"); and so forth.

By "evil" in this context I mean that they hate America and the West, and they believe in destroying its present and traditional structures -- mostly by crook, not by hook -- in favor of some incoherent Leftist utopia they hold dear.

But I'd reiterate that most Western Elites (and there are millions of Westerners who are not by any reasonable stretch an "Elite" yet who believe in PC MC -- not because they are evil, but because they are sincerely confused) are probably not evil in that sense: just too starry-eyed for their -- and our -- own good.

Thanks for taking the time to read the linked Cole article. Which of his factual assertions regarding the Benghazi/Clinton situation do you question? Cole recently spent time in Libya and is probably more familiar with the facts than most.

I don't have a dog in the fight over Hillary Clinton's character in general, although I believe her statement to the effect "what difference does it make who killed our embassy staff, whether it was protesters or guys out for a walk" was impolitic for a Sec of State. I do believe her acknowledgment that there is a global jihadist threat to be a positive development.

I can't understand all the hullabaloo over the initial State Dept error in specifying the cause and perpetrators of the embassy attack. I chalk it up to confusion and ignorance. I don't see the error as evidence of anything sinister like a deliberate attempt to hide the existence of a roguish Islamic terrorist entity that warranting closer attention to embassy requests for beefed up security. I find it hard to comprehend that the State Dept would have a motive to do that especially in light of the obvious certainty that the true facts would ultimately come out. They were all documented. Moreover, embassy staff concerns about a need for additional security are addressed in the Cole piece, to wit, there was a special forces manned cavalry nearby and conditions on the ground did not seem to be fraught with danger.

In my opinion, the attempt to vilify Clinton because of her role in this unfortunate incident is little more than a preemptive attack on Hillary's 2016 Presidential aspirations by Republicans running scared.

p.s. On what basis do you question my statement that I often disagree with Cole? Starting out your reply with an inane comment does little for your credibility.

darmanad wrote:

I often disagree with der ol professor, Juan Cole, but this time I think he makes a much more persuasive argument about what happened in Benghazi and the aftermath than anything I have read at Jwatch. I urge you to read it and see if you don't agree.

Top Ten Republican Myths on Benghazi that Justify Hillary Clinton’s Anger
http://www.juancole.com/2013/01/republican-benghazi-clintons.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+juancole%2Fymbn+%28Informed+Comment%29&utm_content=Yahoo%21+Mail
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Well, I read the linked article. The main thesis seems to be that most people in Benghazi are "moderates" with no links to Al Qaida or any other "Islamists", and that most of them really like and are grateful to Americans.

This either means that these moderate, peace-lovin' Muslims completely lost their minds and forgot how much they loved Americans when they heard about the "Innocence of Muslims" film trailer and felt compelled to slaughter our diplomatic staff—or that our diplomatic staff were never injured by these supremely moderate Muslims at all, and are instead playing hooky, and are likely taking a long, fun-filled trip to northern Mali...really, I'm sure Chris Stevens and the other embassy staff will turn up any day now, shamefaced but with great tans...sarc/off

Dumbledore's Army, I agree with you that more of our Jihad enabling politicians are ignorant than are evil—they are, in fact, prey to exactly the same willful cluelessness that much of the ordinary populace suffers from.

Of course, this is much less forgivable in elected officials who have access to more information and are charged with protecting their country than it is in private citizens.

I also agree with LemonLime that there are some few members of the political and other elites who actually *are* evil—but even actual evil is not necessarily incompatible with profound ignorance.

I do believe that there are some in the elite who really are trying to undermine the United States and the rest of the West—but even among these, I believe that those who take the Jihad seriously and realize that they are directly enabling our Jihad enemies and what that means for the West and her people are very, very few...

...which doesn't, of course, make them any the less dangerous.

There are alternatives to the 2 you propose. How about a small extremist group that had no broad popular support attacked the embassy and thereafter were pursued by the Libya law enforcement authorities.

darmanad wrote:

There are alternatives to the 2 you propose. How about a small extremist group that had no broad popular support attacked the embassy and thereafter were pursued by the Libya law enforcement authorities.
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It's the "tiny minority of extremists" argument.

Here's how robustly the "Libyan law enforcement authorities" are pursing the perpetrators:

"Libya: Key Benghazi jihad murder suspect not arrested"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/01/libya-key-benghazi-jihad-murder-suspect-not-arrested.html

"Libya: Investigators fear pursuing Benghazi case for fear of being kidnapped by jihadis"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/01/libya-investigators-fear-pursuing-benghazi-case-for-fear-of-being-kindnapped-by-jihadis.

Your constant claims that Jihad is a minor matter in the Mahgreb is becoming more and more absurd—Jihadists not only murdered our diplomatic staff in at least two separate attacks, but they also set fire to our consulate there and burned it to the ground.

And this is tied in to the terrible hostage-taking and massacre in Algeria, the new Shari'ah government in northern Mali which is now giving the sophisticated French military a run for its money, and the new Shari'ah state of Egypt, which is the largest Arab Muslim nation.

This "tiny minority of extremists" seems to be pretty massive...

Here's more from Benghazi, from another story that I just now saw:

"#MyJihad in Libya: Westerners flee as jihadis threaten new kidnappings and jihad murders"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/01/myjihad-in-libya-westerners-flee-as-jihadis-threaten-new-kidnappings-and-jihad-murders.html#comments

Is that the same "small extremist group that has no broad popular support" and that is being "pursued by the Libya law enforcement authorities"?

Wikipedia has a pretty well documented time line of events surrounding the Benghazi raid and its aftermath. No one questions that the Islamic militia(s) thought to have carried out the raid were run of town by government forces. Militant (underline militant) Islamic entities have no significant popular support and no government backing at all in Libya.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Benghazi_attack

We may disagree on the existence of some sinister coverup of the true nature of the Benghazi raid by the Obama administration, but apart from that I think you misinterpret my remarks above. Nothing I wrote purports to minimize the threat of terrorist atrocities even by a numerically small group of thugs whether it be in Mali, Algeria, Libya or anywhere around the world. It doesn't take a large group to threaten or execute a terrorist act. That is the very nature of terrorism.

Islamic terrorist groups are active in the African continent and it is important for the US and its allies to combat them there if valid grounds exist to do so. Valid grounds consist of an invitation by the local governments, or a failure by the local government to properly protect US interests, or, of course, the outright aiding and abetting of the terrorist groups which attack US interests (as did the Taliban in Afghanistan).

It would be incorrect to say that the governments of Libya, Mali and especially Algeria are soft of militant Islamic entities or have aided any groups that have attacked US interests. On the contrary these governments appear to be combating the terrorists responsible for attacks on US and allied interests. Accordingly, without invitation, the US has no valid basis for intervening in the internal affairs of these Islamic societies.

darmanad wrote:

Wikipedia has a pretty well documented time line of events surrounding the Benghazi raid and its aftermath. No one questions that the Islamic militia(s) thought to have carried out the raid were run of town by government forces. Militant (underline militant) Islamic entities have no significant popular support and no government backing at all in Libya.
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Really? And yet, they are powerful enough that Great Britain, Germany, the Netherlands and Australia have urged their citizens to leave Benghazi due to a "specific, imminent threat to Westerners", including the danger of new kidnappings by Jihadists.

How is that possible if they were just a handful of "extremists" who have been "run out of town" by the ever-vigilant Libyan forces?

I notice that you didn't even address the fact that it has been documented that many of those "tiny group of extremists" have been openly going about Benghazi bragging about their murdering our diplomats, and that there have been no arrests by "Benghazi's finest".

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We may disagree on the existence of some sinister coverup of the true nature of the Benghazi raid by the Obama administration...
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Actually, I never said that there was a "sinister plot". I think this falls more under the rubrick of denial and "CYA". That doesn't mean that this isn't very dangerous, though.

With this denial about both the nature of the "freedom fighters" of Libya and the seriousness of having our *diplomats* slaughtered, there is little to stop the United States, NATO, and the rest of the West from enabling Jihad elsewhere—in places like Syria.

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...but apart from that I think you misinterpret my remarks above. Nothing I wrote purports to minimize the threat of terrorist atrocities even by a numerically small group of thugs whether it be in Mali, Algeria, Libya or anywhere around the world. It doesn't take a large group to threaten or execute a terrorist act. That is the very nature of terrorism.
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Well, sometimes that is true.

But right now, Egypt has voted in Shari'ah law. The opposition groups in Syria have made it clear that they intend to impose an Islamic state once the oust Assad. Northern Mali has imposed Shari'ah as the law of the land, and is amputating the limbs of suspected petty thieves and is stoning "adulterers" to death, and is using their new state as a base from which to launch violent Jihad against the rest of the world, including the terrible assault on the oil facility in Algeria and the murder of all the hostages there.

This sounds like rather more than a "numerically small group of thugs" to me.

The leftist we'll only realize their error when they watch a friend or a family members head being cut off in front of them.Maybe the Freedom center can send the house and the congress the knight of the long knifes. It would be something That could actually read, now of coarse understanding it. all bet's are off.
Hey maybe we should invest in a few electronic billboards and we can post beheadings as they chant to their devil.
If you want to see political stupid ; all you have to do is look at biden.His name will be a stain in history, along with obummer and hilliass and can't forget soros and the rest of the holliwood idiots.
I thank the Lord that I'm not related to that freakin puss bag !!!!!!!!

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