Salon wonders if "jihad" can survive Pamela Geller

Alex Seitz-Wald of Salon is a bit of a dim bulb; on Tuesday he tweeted this:

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He was referring, however, to my piece at Atlas Shrugs (which, incidentally, was about him and his ilk: "The Monstrous Moral Inversion of the 'Islamophobia' Industry"), which was not an interview at all, but a column. When someone on his side gently pointed this out, the intrepid journalist Seitz-Wald responded: "I'll admit I didn't even bother reading enough to determine if it was an interview or a column."

In light of his confessed carelessness and obvious dim-bulb status, it is no surprise that he would fall for a war-is-deceit sharpie like Hamas-linked CAIR's Ahmed Rehab, even if Rehab's deception skills are decidedly second-tier. Salon is an indefatigable exponent of the Leftist/Islamic supremacist alliance, and so even if they had sent a more intelligent writer than Alex Seitz-Wald to do this story, Rehab wouldn't have had to work very hard.

And ask Pamela Geller for comment in a story about ads she originated? Or me, who was involved in the process? Of course not! Salon has all the politically correct opinions; it doesn't have to be fair and balanced!

"Can 'jihad' survive Pam Geller?," by Alex Seitz-Wald in Salon, January 9:

So you want to rebrand a word. It’s hard to think of a more difficult rebranding project than “jihad.”

Since Sept. 11, the term has become synonymous with terrorism and villainy — but now a group of Muslims is trying to reclaim the word from the extremists, and redefine “jihad” to mean something normal and peaceful and good. They realize this won’t be easy.

Which group of Muslims? Alex Seitz-Wald doesn't tell you until much later in the article that it's the Hamas-linked Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), which the Justice Department named an unindicted co-conspirator in a Hamas terror funding case. Nor does he mention, and may not know, that CAIR operatives have repeatedly refused to denounce Hamas and Hizballah as terrorist groups. He says nothing about, and may not know, the fact that several former CAIR officials have been convicted of various crimes related to jihad terror. Nor does he mention, and may not know, that CAIR’s cofounder and longtime Board chairman (Omar Ahmad), as well as its chief spokesman (Ibrahim Hooper), have made Islamic supremacist statements, or that its California chapter distributed posters telling Muslims not to talk to the FBI.

Would such a group have an interest in obfuscating the meaning of jihad so as to foster the complacency of Americans? Alex Seitz-Wald doesn't investigate this question.

The campaign hinges on the idea that “jihad” has two commonly accepted usages. One is the violent, physical struggle most of us are familiar with. The other, which many Muslims and Islamic scholars consider the more correct definition, refers to the inner struggle to do good and follow God’s teaching; Muslims strive to attain this every day. This is the “proper meaning” being promoted by My Jihad, a public education campaign recently launched on billboards and on buses in Chicago.

"More correct" is a marvelously weaselly phrase. Is the idea that jihad is violent struggle correct or not? Apparently even the war-is-deceit propagandists who saw in Seitz-Wald the easy mark that he is couldn't bring themselves to tell him that violent jihad wasn't correct in Islam; they could only go so far as to tell him that the interior spiritual struggle was "more correct." Seitz-Wald doesn't notice the incoherence: to say that 2 + 2 = 4 is not "more correct" than to say that 2 + 2 = 5; it is correct and the latter is incorrect.

But in Islamic law, jihad as spiritual struggle is not the correct or "proper meaning," while violent jihad is incorrect; both are accepted understandings of the concept. A manual of Islamic law certified by the highest authority in Sunni Islam, Cairo’s Al-Azhar University, as conforming “to the practice and faith of the orthodox Sunni community” explained: “Jihad means to war against non-Muslims, and is etymologically derived from the word mujahada signifying warfare to establish the religion. And it is the lesser jihad. As for the greater jihad, it is spiritual warfare against the lower self (nafs).” After thus acknowledging the spiritual, “greater jihad,” the manual never mentions it again, but goes on for many paragraphs about the “lesser jihad,” that “war against non-Muslims,” giving rules for the taking of prisoners, the legal status of captive women, the subjugation of the infidels, and more.

This legal manual stipulates that Muslims must make war “upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians…until they become Muslim or pay the non-Muslim poll tax.” It specifies that the warfare against non-Muslims must continue until “the final descent of Jesus.” After that, “nothing but Islam will be accepted from them.”

“The campaign is about reclaiming Islam, and not just ‘jihad,’ from both Muslim and non-Muslim extremists,” said Ahmed Rehab, the leader of the effort, in an interview. “Whether it’s the bin Ladens and the al-Qaidas of the Muslim world, or the Pam Gellers and Frank Gaffneys of the non-Muslim world, ironically — even though they come from the two opposite ends of the spectrum — they agree exactly on the same definition of ‘jihad’ and on the same worldview of Islam versus the rest of the world.”

Note that Rehab follows common and tired Islamic supremacist talking points in tarring as "extremists" both Islamic jihadis and those who resist them. He is trying to imply, with Alex Seitz-Wald's willing help, that those who resist jihad are just as lethal, just as dangerous, as those who commit it. The goal, of course, is to intimidate people into thinking there's something wrong with resisting jihad. To equate Pamela Geller, a political activist working to defend free speech, the freedom of conscience, and equality of rights for all, with Osama bin Laden, the mastermind of the murders of 3,000 people, is a monstrous smear. It sails right by dim Alex, who probably thought it was incisive if he thought about it at all.

Rehab is also trying to hoodwink non-Muslims into thinking that the view of jihad espoused by bin Laden and al-Qaeda is "extremist," as if the mainstream understanding of jihad is the bicycling-through-the-meadows type he is pushing. And we, of course, are greasy Islamophobes who are, in our hate, endorsing the view of the "extremists." He doesn't tell the ever-credulous and starry-eyed Seitz-Wald, although he surely knows, that warfare against and subjugation of unbelievers is the mainstream Muslim understanding of jihad, as I detailed here.

In fact, the ads were directly inspired by Geller, the anti-Muslim blogger and activist, who has plastered her own billboards on subways and buses in New York. They label Muslims as “savages” and incite viewers to “defeat Jihad.”

"Anti-Muslim" equals in favor of legal equality, the freedom to change one's religion or have none at all, and the freedom of speech as our fundamental bulwark against tyranny. The appellation says more about Alex Seitz-Wald than it does about Pamela Geller, and is designed to imply that she is motivated simply by race hate, even though Islam is not a race, and not by any legitimate concern for the principles that are threatened by Sharia.

The quoted ad only suggests that "all Muslims are savages" if all Muslims support the bloody jihad against Israeli civilians like the Fogel family, murdered in their beds by Islamic jihadists whose deed was then celebrated in Gaza. I expect that Ahmed Rehab does support that jihad, but for him and other Islamic supremacist writers in the U.S. to suggest that all Muslims do is more than a little..."Islamophobic." Doesn't the Vast Majority of Peaceful Muslims reject jihad violence, as we are constantly told?

“Everybody was talking about the ‘savage’ part, but to me, that’s just sort of an insult — she thinks I’m a savage,

If the shoe fits, Ahmed.

I think she’s an idiot, we’re even,” he said. “But the problem for me was the use of the word ‘jihad.’ When no one seemed to care about that, I realized that we have a problem.”

Indeed. One that cosmetics won't conceal.

In billboards on buses and subways, smiling Muslims and non-Muslims share universal human aspirations, personalized by the individual “jihads” of the non-actor volunteers who share their struggles. In this context, a jihad is no more threatening than a New Year’s resolution. “My jihad is to stay fit despite my busy schedule,” one woman with a headscarf and a barbell says. Others deal with raising children, doing well at work, and making friendships with different kinds of people. To Rehab, jihad means that when you are “confronted with two choices, you make the right choice and not the easy one.”

Ads have already gone up on buses in Chicago and San Francisco, and will soon go up in 10 other major American cities and a handful of international ones, including London, Sydney and Melbourne. There’s a website, Facebook page and Twitter hashtag where people can share their own personal jihads.

On Monday, Egyptian activists working with the group even unfurled a giant banner in front of the main church in Cairo wishing a Merry Christmas (Coptic Christians celebrate the holiday on Jan. 7) in contravention of hard-line Islamic proclamations that Christmas should not be recognized.

That may not sound so scary, but the opposition has been predictably vitriolic. The group’s Twitter and Facebook pages have received hateful messages from hard-line Islamists. Geller, predictably, is exercised.

She has written at least a dozen posts using the campaign’s #myjihad hashtag, which currently represent about two out of every three posts on the front page of her influential anti-Muslim blog. Geller also seems determined to play a game of bait and switch to sabatoge [sic] the rival campaign. She registered the domain name MyJihad.us (the real URL ends in .org) and is even trying to run copycat ads that are clearly designed to be confused with Rehab’s.

In her ads, the peaceful Muslim is replaced with pictures of Osama bin Laden and the burning twin towers. She trying to get approval from the Chicago Transit Authority for the ads to appear on city buses, but they may be rejected for infringing on My Jihad’s copyright to the template.

Funny how Seitz-Wald never raised that possibility, and neither did anyone else, when MPAC parodied one of our earlier pro-freedom ads. In any case, parody is not forbidden by copyright, and Seitz-Wald doesn't tell you, and probably doesn't know, that the only thing that is parody about our ads is the design; the quotes featured in our ads are all real usages of the term jihad by Muslims, or related to such usages. Rehab's ads, by contrast, feature people using the term "jihad" in ways that have nothing to do with how the term has been traditionally understood in Islamic theology and law.

One would think that My Jihad is exactly the kind of moderate Muslim voice that Geller — who claims to be so threatened by Muslim “extremists” — would want to promote. But in reality, “the extremists on both sides need each other for validation. And we’re a threat to both,” Rehab said.

"Moderates" who support Hamas and dissemble about jihad's meaning as enunciated by mainstream Muslim authorities throughout history. I myself am skeptical as to whether Seitz-Wald is really dealing with a "moderate Muslim voice" here, but no skeptical thought ever crosses the smooth contours of his brain.

Rehab is the executive director of the Chicago chapter of the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR),

Now he tells us. But with no mention of the group's links to Hamas or jihad terror, of course.

but he’s doing this on his own time and with separate funds to keep it a grass-roots effort.

Probably because the national office of Hamas-linked CAIR found his campaign too risible to support.

What started as a Facebook group less than a month ago has grown into a sophisticated public relations campaign that has already raised $20,000 and recruited dozens of volunteers, most of whom are “soccer moms” who don’t want their kids to feel intimidated at school because of their religion, Rehab said. “These are the army of My Jihad,” he quipped.

But can the popular conception of “jihad” really be changed with some ads and a hashtag?

“I would look at this conflict as I would any other product: We have an image problem,” said Arash Afshar, an Iranian-American marketing consultant who is not involved with the campaign. “This is exactly what Muslims should be doing … The way to combat an image problem is not to simply sit back and hope it goes away. You develop a branding strategy and motivate your already existing fan-base.”

If Afshar and Rehab really want to change the image of "jihad," they don't need to attack Pamela Geller; they need to convince the Muslims who believe it has to do with violence to change their views. That they're not making any effort to do that is telling.

Seitz-Wald concludes his article with a long and incoherent disquisition on how hard it will be for Rehab to change the meaning of "jihad." It is incoherent because Seitz-Wald repeatedly asserts that the idea that jihad involves violence is wrong, improper, a "hijacking" of the term, but it never occurs to him to wonder why, if this understanding is indeed so illegitimate, it is so entrenched. Or if it did occur to him, he banished the thought quickly, before the thought police could possibly get wind of his ideological deviation. He's a proper company man, and in this ridiculous hit piece he did a proper company job -- no real depth of thought or genuine analysis is needed for Salon. As long as the article portrays Pamela Geller and the counter-jihad effort as evil, evil, evil, that's good enough for the enlightened Leftist hatemongers and enemies of freedom that make up Salon's core audience.

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Does a bear Seitz in the Wald?

Since Sept. 11, the term ["jihad"] has become synonymous with terrorism and villainy.
Sept 11? The synonym has been applicable since 623 AD when Mo' started raiding the Quraish caravans.

so time for THANKSGIVING again.

THANK GOD

He gave Pamela Geller a pretty face,good health,
a strong sound mind, an excellent memory, a quick wit, the ability to speak and write, the energy to keep doing it, and very importantly, the thick hide of an elephant.

WARNING: do not "touch the apple of God's eye". ~expression quote from the BIBLE

ROBERT! we THANK GOD for YOU too of course!

Actually I'm encouraged. So many Muslims are deceitful about their religion's doctrines, and so many dhimmi apologists for Islam are clearly useful idiots, that no way long term mendacity and stupidity will win out. Truth and freedom will, though it ain't gonna' be pretty at times until then.

Damn Islam. Damn Muslim liars. Damn useful idiots running interference for Islam. This is enough "damns" for now.

From Mosqueteers to marketeers, shapeshifting like jinn.

Seitz-Wald will not learn anything about Islam or jihad from twitter, Facebook or Ahmed Rehab, the cosmetics dealer.

Need some more brown lipstick, Alex?

"'We have an image problem,' said Arash Afshar, an Iranian-American marketing consultant who is not involved with the campaign."

An image problem? Lol! ...you can say that again!

But really your "image problem" dates back about 1400 years ago, so you can't exactly remake bperverted-prophet muhammad, now can you? Yea that evil man has a real BAAAD image problem. Sorry but you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

a group of Muslims is trying to reclaim the word from the extremists, and redefine “jihad” to mean something normal and peaceful and good. They realize this won’t be easy.

Haha...that's right it wont be easy to redefine jihad as something other than it is...

Why do you suppose inner spiritual struggle fails to produce the desired results? It does not calm the savage beast...It does not appear to produce purity in the struggler...Inner spiritual struggle jihad has no definition, and any methods are unknown...If prayer and good deeds were enough there would be no need for a struggle...Look at Reza and Rehab...In spite of all their inner spiritual struggle, they are not calm, they are always agitated...Always complaining, always whining...Is that the desired result of inner struggle for Allah? I tried to help them by suggesting kegel therapy, but I guess they didn't get the word...

My jihad is to resist the imposition of Sharia on non-muslims.

ji·had

jiˈhäd/Noun

1.(among Muslims) A war or struggle against unbelievers.

2.The spiritual struggle within oneself against sin.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The definition for "jihad" allows a muslim to "war against unbelievers"; always has and it always will, so there's no escaping it.

Nice try, though ...having us think that some muslims simply "misunderstand" what jihad means. No they don't, liar.



"And ask Pamela Geller for comment in a story about ads she originated? Or me, who was involved in the process? Of course not! Salon has all the politically correct opinions; it doesn't have to be fair and balanced!"

Not only do Politically Correct Multi-Culturalists (such as reporters for Salon -- not to mention writers and talking heads representing the vast majority of news and opinion media throughout the West) exempt themselves from the obligation (and responsibility) to be fair and balanced with regard to Islamocritical figures -- they go further and exempt themselves from the obligation to process pretty much any external data at all.

For, you see, PC MCs don't need external data about Islamocriticism: the PC MC template already supplies all the data they need, and they can't imagine there could possibly be any new data (let alone any data at all) that would disabuse them of their pre-judgement (= prejudice) -- their prefabricated premises and foregone conclusions.

P.S.: The PC MC Paradigm is a marvelous thing: It does your thinking for you! No need to worry or exert yourself with unnecessary thought (let alone what would be asking far too much -- a bit of reflection and research).

Which is why, incidentally, we still desperately need an A.I.M. (an Anti-Islam Manual) -- not so we too can become unthinking parrots like the PC MCs, but so that we may have an arsenal more capable of outwitting and outdancing the diversely complex obfuscation tactics of the PC MCs whenever they defend various aspects of Islam and Muslims; and when they go on the offensive against Islamocriticism. The useful function of an A.I.M. would be, in effect, to unleash a few million ordinary people who also happen to be critics of Islam -- armed with a comprehensive manual of talking and rebutting points: deputized with usefully organized information.

I say this from years of frustrated experience, where I've been unable, in myriad ways, to fend off Islamopologists (not to mention the minions of semi-passively lazy people we have all around us in the West who allow their vaguely PC reflexes to do their thinking for them whenever the direly exigent issue of the problem of Islam comes up). Not all of us have the nimbly encyclopedic talents of Robert Spencer; indeed, very, very -- exceedingly -- few do. Wouldn't it be nice if a few million Ordinary People could become better equipped in this War of Ideas which is really a Civil War of Ideas, direly in need of persuading our pleasantly Islamo-ignorant fellow Westerners?

Ato Global Warming (now walked- back to "Climate Change"). He had a good term there, but for the wrong issue. The real inconvenient truth in the West is ISLAM. Polite society, including politicians, journalists, clergy, etc, doesn't want to touch it and those few who do (like Spencer) are vilified.

I wonder how many Jews in Europe found the concept of mechanized death, Nazi-style, incomprehensible and marched to the pits and death-chambers still thinking, "This can't be possible, this can't be true!" It took the bloodiest war in history to eradicate that "inconvenient truth." (and we got an additional lseeson on what accrues from appeasement) Yet, here we are, just over a half-century on, and we're in denial again. Is it fear? Laziness? Ignorance? Greed? Likely all of the above, but I think none of these is a sufficent excuse for what amounts to traitorous beahvior. The whole situation is a mind-boggler.

The longer we go as we're going now, the harder it'll be when the crap hits the fan. And, as long as we continue to import muslims by the thousands--and coddle them to boot--we're getting set up for l few years ago, AlGore (famed "inventor of the internet") coined the term, "An Inconvenient Truth," referring ots of bad stuff in the blades. And THAT truth will be even less convenient than the one being dodged today...


The spiritual struggle within oneself against sin.

That's the big bugaboo...Just exactly what is 'sin' to a Mahoundian? I bet it is not your definition of 'sin', but something quite different...It's not sinful to kill kuffar, apostates, and wayward children, it is not sinful to amputate limbs and crucify those warring with Allah, it is not sinful to lash people, women mostly in public, or to stone them...It was not sinful for terrorists to murder the Fogal family in Israel...So just what is this SIN they are struggling so hard aganst?...My semi educated guess is that inner spiritual struggle jihad does not really exist...Like the weather, they talk about it but no one does anything about it...

P.P.S.:

(I was recently reminded of a great phrase I haven't used, or read, or even thought of in many years, when I heard Spencer use it twice on that recent Glazov radio interview: "expatiate upon".)

I wish to expatiate upon one sentence in my postscript above:

The useful function of an A.I.M. would be, in effect, to unleash a few million ordinary people who also happen to be critics of Islam -- armed with a comprehensive manual of talking and rebutting points: deputized with usefully organized information.

Of course, innumerable ordinary people are, and have been for years now, arming themselves autodidactically, in their earnest effort to scramble around taking a crash course rudely and horribly made necessary, of course, by the planes Muslims crashed into the Twin Towers. I also have observed, however, from years of experience, as I have with great interest witnessed and heard and read their various efforts in various venues online and offline that -- again, in myriad ways -- most of them, with good intentions and often lots of determination and dedication (bless their hearts), seem more often than not to be stumbling and fumbling along, groping and flailing in a situation where the data they need to deploy most effectively is scattered all over the place in ill-organized ways, often far-flung, or chopped into various pieces in various places, often maddeningly overlapping with unhelpful redundancy, plagued with insufficient source citations forcing the autodidactic researcher to Google for hours amid the Blogospheric Echo Chamber and rarely find an adequate reference for their pains and trouble -- not to mention the problem of Too Much Information for any given topic or the hundreds of important subtopics with which this dreadful issue of Islam teems and bristles, like a veritable jungle.

Hitler was a tough enemy because he was well mechanized...Just think what Mahound could have accomplished with one tank...along with fuel and ammo...had Mahound been mechanized we might all be speaking Arabic...

What the hell happened to my post? Hope this fixes it?

A few years ago, AlGore (famed "inventer of the internet") coined
the term, "An inconvenient Truth," referring to Global Warming (now walked-back to "Climate Change"). He had a good term there, but for the wrong issue. The real inconvenient truth in the West is ISLAM. Polite society, including politicians, journalists, clergy, etc, doesn't want to touch it and those few who do (like Spencer) are vilified.

I wonder how many Jews in Europe found the concept of mechanized death, Nazi-style, incomprehensible and marched to the pits and death-chambers still thinking, "This can't be possible, this can't be true!" It took the bloodiest war in history to eradicate that "inconvenient truth." (and we got an additional lseeson on what accrues from appeasement) Yet, here we are, just over a half-century on, and we're in denial again. Is it fear? Laziness? Ignorance? Greed? Likely all of the above, but I think none of these is a sufficent excuse for what amounts to traitorous beahvior. The whole situation is a mind-boggler.

The longer we go as we're going now, the harder it'll be when the crap hits the fan. And, as long as we continue to import muslims by the thousands--and coddle them to boot--we're getting set up for lots of bad stuff in the blades. And THAT truth will be even less convenient than the one being dodged today...

Islam against Pamela Geller...Islam is out numbered, and should ask Pakistan for reinforcements...

Very good post, George; I'm glad to see someone "get" some of the more vital and essential focal points of the broader, and rather complicated, problem we all face.

Let's not call it 'GENOCIDE'...

Adolf Eichmann: "...let's call it 'deportation'."

Stalin: "...let's call it 'internal exile'."

Mao: "...let's call it 're-education'."

Mo: "...let's call it 'jihad'."

"I bet it is not your definition of 'sin', but something quite different."

Good point, Duh_Swami ...

Yea certain sins are mentioned in the 10 commandments: lying, steeling, murder and adultery. And most of us already know that these things are wrong, yet muslims do them on a regular basis and without regret; as if it's their rite of passage, or something. So I'm with you, I don't know what they consider to be sinful. Also, they seem to enjoy doing what's wrong. Very strange, indeed.

Jihad is deceit.

George, I meant to add, however, that I did detect one problem with your post; and it came at the end where it seemed to express that head-scratching bafflement I see often among people in the Counter-Jihad (at least the ones who remain baffled and haven't concluded that only the Dastardly Leftist Elites are the answer to your questions), wondering why our fellow Westerners remain myopic. (And in your seeming flailing for some answer, I notice you more or less reach for the Fitzgeraldian Esdrujula Explanation.)

It really shouldn't baffle us, however; though it certainly is a strange phenomenon nonetheless: it's the ascendancy of PC MC to mainstream dominance, through a cultural process reflecting a paradigm shift in worldview, so to speak; a kind of sea change in social attitudes -- a worldview with substantive and copious roots in our Western history.

And, most important to keep in mind, I think, this paradigm shift (or, less grandly, this new fashion of thought) has been derived from good virtues in our tradition. The strangeness of it all is the paradox of what could be described as "excess health" (the word "hectic" sort of used to mean that -- like a "hectic fever" of too much blood rushing through one).

More specifically, as I have articulated many times before here and on my blog, the West's own virtues of --

1) self-criticism

2) interest in & curiosity about the Other

3) universalism (believing everyone is "human" and part of the same "family of man", and thus a movement away from tribalistic tendencies -- a movement the West has achieved far more than any other culture on earth and in history)

4) consequent on #3, a transcendent ethics whereby ethics are applied not only to one's own "in-group" but also to all "out-groups" (i.e., the Others) -- this being not a static virtue forever clearly held, but a long process of increasing progress

-- these virtues have increasingly morphed into irrational versions of themselves, so to speak, where we now find ourselves hyper-critical of our own West, and under-critical (to an increasingly insane and reckless degree) of the Other -- the Mother of all Others: the Muslim.

Dear Champ,
Islam is based on dual ethics. Something done to a brother Muslim is 'wrong' (forbidden/haram), but the same thing done to a kafir is 'good' (permitted/halal). Allah's rules are not 'ethical'...they are simply 'commands'. Look up the 'Divine Command Theory' to understand this amoral ideology.

Champ,

"Yea certain sins are mentioned in the 10 commandments: lying, steeling, murder and adultery. And most of us already know that these things are wrong, yet muslims do them on a regular basis and without regret; as if it's their rite of passage, or something. So I'm with you, I don't know what they consider to be sinful. Also, they seem to enjoy doing what's wrong. Very strange, indeed."

It really does seem that the main basic principles of Islam collectively constitute a monumental Anti-Decalogue -- a direct repudiation of the Ten Commandments, Commandment by Commandment. But Islam doesn't do this in a simplex way, like a purely nihilistic barbarian might do; Islam does this in a serpentine and Orwellian way -- ingeniously affecting or pretending to be "pure" and "virtuous" and "pious" while simultaneously and meticulously directing the thoughts, energies and actions of its Muslim followers in exact opposites of the Commandments that for the West traditionally has been (whether freethinking freewheeling Modernists admit it or not) its major framework for virtue and piety.

The most brazen and blatant example of this is probably the First Commandment, whereby a screamingly obvious Pretender to the Divine Throne of the One God commands that, to paraphrase: "Only I shall be worshipped and none other beside me, and kill those who would dare defy this so that I can torture them with Hellfire for eternity!"

Thank you, Mortimer :)

I would suggest there's an additional reason to the PC/MC rot that exists out there and which actually predates PC/MC. It's this: The unwillingness, even the inability, for Western societies at large to come to the conclusion that a major religion can be evil. Your turn, LL.

So true, LemonLime ...

muslims worship allah - who is not God, and thus break the 1st commandment: You shall have no other gods before me.

This intelligent and informative piece is why I read JW. It is squarely within Mr Spencer's area of expertise. It is a convincing rebuttal to the nonsense set for in Seitz-Wald's mindless attempt to apologize for Islamic atrocities committed in the name of the "lesser" jihad and on going human rights abuses inherent to supremacist Islamic ideology.
Here is a cc of my comment in Salon.

THURSDAY, JAN 10, 2013 10:41 PM AST
Today in jihadwatch.org Robert Spencer refutes Seitz-Wald very convincingly point by point. One might even describe Mr Spencer's response as tearing a new asshole for Seitz-Wald.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/01/salon-wonders-if-jihad-can-survive-pamela-geller.html#comments

This should be the end of the debate. Mr. Seitz-Wald has written a superficial and factually erroneous article. It is politically correct, ethically relativist apology for an ideology which is homophobic, misogynistic, denies freedom of speech and conscience and does not afford equal rights under the (sharia) law to all women and non-Muslims.

Shame on Salon editors for allowing this crap to litter its pages.

"This intelligent and informative piece is why I read JW. It is squarely within Mr Spencer's area of expertise".

How generous of you !

It might even be worth sharing with your intelligent and progressive friends, don't you think ?

The comments might be a problem, though.

No intellectual dumpster diving permitted..

From Seitz-Wald's piece - " I would look at this conflict as I would any other product: We have an image problem,” said Arash Afshar, an Iranian-American marketing consultant who is not involved with the campaign. “This is exactly what Muslims should be doing … ".

Not very long ago - I can't give the exact comment, but I remember it vividly - a fellow commenter here at this forum said that Islam could be summed up as "Thuggery + Image Management".

When I read Arash Afshar's nonsense, I was instantly reminded of that commenter's remarks.

At the moment, they're mainly trying to fool us in 'western' countries into thinking that the thuggery isn't happening at all, or that if it is, it has nothing to do with 'real Islam'.

The *other* part of the conditioning process is the campaign to fool us into thinking that the gross Muslim thuggery we see going down in other countries - or sporadically, but more and more often in our own western countries, as the Muslim presence gets bigger and bolder and badder - is the fault of the victims' having done something really bad to Muslims; that the Muslim thuggery meted out upon helpless non-Muslims is, therefore, not thuggery but 'self-defence', that it is good, just and righteous. It's a sleight of mind designed to confuse us into failing to recognise the extent and pervasiveness of unprovoked and relentless Muslim *aggression*.

LemonLime,

Who can create that anti-Islam manual of which you speak?

To be generally anti-Islam would surely be too wide a focus. One can be against something for innumerable reasons.

It would be useful to have a manual that contains debate responses (and references) that demonstrate the ways in which and the extent to which Islam is a violent, expansionist, totalitarian threat to open societies everywhere.

darmanad, nice, concise, well-written response.

Comment above awkwardly worded and imperfectly edited before posting.

For 'the fault of the victims' having done something really bad to Muslims' read 'the result of the victims' having done something really bad to Muslims', or 'the fault of the victims, the result of their having done something really bad to Muslims'.

"a group of Muslims is trying to reclaim the word from the extremists, and redefine “jihad” to mean something normal and peaceful and good"

In the Koran:

004.095 Not equal are those believers who sit at home and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons... those who strive and fight hath He distinguished above those who sit at home by a special reward.

Either Salon is a liar - or the koran is.

Of course, he will say the usual - that those words are being taken out of context. Too bad he isn't able to convince the 'terrorists' of that, nor is he interested in doing so. There is no doubt for me, that he's not interested in convincing his follow DEVOUT muslims who live by those words - because he knows perfectly well what those words are saying. But one thing he has obviously over-looked: No liar ever enters the Kingdom of God.

CAIR's amateurish "My Jihad" campaign, was designed to mask and make trivial, the true meaning of Jihad.

Why should it be a struggle, to befriend a Jew ?

The reference to Koran 4:95 by a commenter above had me checking it out (at the YAQUB website that provides 10 different translations, six by Muslims), and Holy Moly! did I find an astounding irony!

First, I'll quote the verse again:

004.095 Not equal are those believers who sit at home and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons... those who strive and fight hath He distinguished above those who sit at home by a special reward.

The YAQUB site also provides a transliteration of the Arabic in English letters. Slack-jawed and stunned, I stared for a few seconds at the Arabic for the phrase about the passive Muslims who, rather than go off to wage violent jihad, just "sit at home". The Arabic used for those lazy Muslims is "al-Qaidoona" -- plural of "al-Qaida" !!!!!!!!!!!

As we know simplistically, the term al-Qaida is commonly translated as "base". Here, as the plural form it is denoting the Muslims themselves; and it seems to mean something like "those who sit still" as in "in one place" with almost perhaps a "stick in the mud" or the "bump on a log" sense. Some of the translators say "sit still" and only include the "home" in parentheses, because that is implicit in the word.

That the passive non-violently lazy Muslims are described as being "al-Qaidas" -- contrasted with the al-mujahidoona -- must be one of the richest ironies of all time!

The simple fact that idiots like Wald, Rehab and their ilk, are trying to mask is that, jihad is a deceptive word, in that wherever Muslims are in the minority like here in the west, conveniently this twisted "internal struggle" meaning is used, whereas in Muslim majority Islamic countries no deception is required to understand what jihad means. It is exactly the way the koran spells it out for believers, that is it is clearly a war against unbelievers.

Surah 9:29 certainly does not mean some vague "internal sturggle" jihad, on the contrary it is absolute marching orders for a full fledged war against unbelievers, to subjucate and humiliate them.

I wish these ignorant leftists would grow some brains instead of being facilitators and speeding the process of Islamization, and trading our freedoms for dhimmi status.

Ironically the two meanings of jihad could easily contradict each other, so maybe someone should ask people like Rehab,
"If jihad really means an internal sturggle, should Muslims in the west not exercise this internal struggle of conscience to speak out against the persecution of Christians, Jews, Hindus Budhists, and other non-Muslims that Muslims in Islamic nations are involved in?"

Salon wonders if "jihad" can survive Pamela Geller
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Wow! Really? I have the *greatest* respect for the courageous and feisty Ms. Geller, but I'm not sure even she can wipe out 1400 years of Islamic savagery. It's a nice thought, though...

More:

So you want to rebrand a word. It’s hard to think of a more difficult rebranding project than “jihad.”

Since Sept. 11, the term has become synonymous with terrorism and villainy — but now a group of Muslims is trying to reclaim the word from the extremists, and redefine “jihad” to mean something normal and peaceful and good. They realize this won’t be easy.
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No sh*t—given the over 20,000 jihad attacks, all over the world, just since 9/11.

But note—the "#MyJihad" campaign is *not* meant to curtail violent Jihad—it is just meant to confuse threatened Infidels, who will have an even more difficult time facing the Jihad threat if they take this blatent Taqiyya to heart.
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“The campaign is about reclaiming Islam, and not just ‘jihad,’ from both Muslim and non-Muslim extremists,” said Ahmed Rehab, the leader of the effort, in an interview. “Whether it’s the bin Ladens and the al-Qaidas of the Muslim world, or the Pam Gellers and Frank Gaffneys of the non-Muslim world, ironically — even though they come from the two opposite ends of the spectrum — they agree exactly on the same definition of ‘jihad’ and on the same worldview of Islam versus the rest of the world.”
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What *utter crap*—and just what you would expect from the meretricious Ahmed Rehab. Positing waging violent Jihad and peacefully pointing out that pious Muslim wage violent Jihad are *not* morally equivalent.

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Geller also seems determined to play a game of bait and switch to sabatoge [sic] the rival campaign. She registered the domain name MyJihad.us (the real URL ends in .org) and is even trying to run copycat ads that are clearly designed to be confused with Rehab’s.
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More crap. Geller's pieces are an *answer* to CAIR's false ads—they are not meant to be confused with them.
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But can the popular conception of “jihad” really be changed with some ads and a hashtag?

“I would look at this conflict as I would any other product: We have an image problem”...
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Please note: none of these good Muslims indicate that they have a problem with their coreligionists waging violent Jihad—they just realize it can be inconvenient having Infidels *know* that they are waging violent Jihad.

And note further: this only applies to free Infidels who might fight back. In places where Infidels are frightened dhimmis, Muslims are only too happy to have them know all about violent Jihad—as a threat, or, if carried out, as an example.

Duh Swami wrote, replying to Champ:

The spiritual struggle within oneself against sin.

That's the big bugaboo...Just exactly what is 'sin' to a Mahoundian? I bet it is not your definition of 'sin', but something quite different...It's not sinful to kill kuffar, apostates, and wayward children, it is not sinful to amputate limbs and crucify those warring with Allah, it is not sinful to lash people, women mostly in public, or to stone them...
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*Very* important point, Swami.

In fact, the Qur'an and the Hadiths are full of warnings to Muslims not to shirk the waging of violent Jihad, not to show compassion to their victims, not to treat their non-Muslim neighbors or family members in a decent manner, not to show love to their wives and children—in other words, all too often that Muslim struggle against "sin" is actually a struggle to violate their better nature, and conform to the brutal strictures of Jihad and Shari'ah.

It seems like our society is always going off the deep end, from one extreme to another. After the invention of the automobile, drunk drivers killed and maimed innocent victims in violent car crashes with impunity. Then in the 1980's, new laws were passed and drivers were charged with drunk driving if a breathalyzer registered the slightest amount of alcohol because technically, one is considered 'driving under the influence' after consuming one alcoholic beverage. So a one size fits all solution to drunk driving was born along with huge fines, community service, DUI schools, loss of license, probation, and publication of the offense in the local newspaper. This irresponsible, deadly offence that was once all but ignored became virtually a new industry overnight.

Same with violence in schools. If a student defends himself while being attacked by a bully, he is considered as guilty as his attacker and is equally punished because of the 'zero tolerance' policy. If a student brings an aspirin to school, he could be expelled for possession of drugs. There are so many examples of the idiocy that prevails in our society, twisted, overblown manifestations of the 'virtues' you mentioned that have morphed into asinine travesties. The current gun hysteria will result in an attempt to impose Draconian restrictions on guns, a liberal dream come true.

The phenomena of political correctness, multiculturalism, white guilt, and moral/cultural/religious relativism are the most perplexing and maddening. It isn't enough to legislate equal rights for everyone; some are more equal than others because of past inequalities. It isn't enough to be tolerant; you must hate yourself and love the 'other'. It isn't enough to condemn the transgressions of our forbears; we must declare our hatred and contempt for our evil country and its founders and force every generation to pay for their sins, atonement an impossible goal. The majority must concede to dozens of minority groups; they must be 'protected' from evil American racists. Illegal immigrants have every right to be here and we are obligated to provide them with free medical care, food stamps, welfare, and educations.

Yes, I would definitely agree that our 'virtues' have become mutated monsters, unrecognizable and quite insane.

traeh,

To be done right, an AIM would have to be done by a team of individuals, at least some of them experts in various related fields and languages, whose efforts should be funded (unless we were lucky enough to find such a team willing to spend hundreds of hours of their time for no pay; which is rather improbable and should not be expected).

As for the content of the AIM, there would be an ingenious way to flesh it out thematically: simply conduct a somewhat devious R-&-D phase where various individuals, acting as "plants" so to speak, would engage various Islamopologists of different flavors in lengthy debates. The real purpose of these "debates" would not be to really debate, but rather to record the assertions/claims/responses made by the Islamopologists involved. In doing so, I'd wager we will have amassed probably 50% of what we need. (This of course can also be supplemented by simply researching past debates and discussions.)

Needless to say, this method of deriving most of the content has the advantage of getting it from those who, as Spencer has remarked, seem to have their pulse on the general PC MC template out there (the very same template we need to engage and refute) -- so much so that they, as Spencer said, seem to be "reading the same memo".

Once we have amassed this complex, jagged heap of raw material, the next phase would be to organize it by topic and subtopic, and by the primary bifurcation into 1) Claims for How Great Islam Is vs. 2) Defenses Against Criticisms of Islam.

The third phase would be the writing of Counter-Claims for #1, and Refutations of #2. Supplementing this would be Claims for How Bad Islam Is not covered by our Counter-Claims. In tandem with this third phase would be the meticulous and scrupulous tracking down of adequate source citations (ideally supplying primary sources for each point, augmented by at least two secondary sources).

Phase Four would be the editing process, where the organization of all the text is tightened up usefully subdivided categories; setting up a digitally annotated index (a long alphabetical list as comprehensive as possible and cross-referenced, with each word or phrase a link taking the user to the relevant place); and the prose is trimmed of all fat, throwing away any needless introductions and extraneous descriptions and adjectives and anecdotes and scenarios: Mostly "Just the facts, Mo'ammed".

A fifth phase should probably be included -- namely, a review, proofreading and editing process, perhaps integrating a wider discussion from people outside the team, for suggested additions/subtractions.

It should be kept in mind, however, that this AIM would most likely not be something a consumer reads from cover to cover, like a book; but rather would be a source used by the user of the manual in his communication with his audience of one or more people. More often than not the manual user will be picking and choosing bits and pieces here and there, of varying lengths, guided by the index -- and then often leaping from one point to another that may well be not immediately adjacent in the manual. Hence the crucial digital format, where space & place practically no longer matter for a written text (not to mention that one can access needed text at lightning speed -- and for that, of course, besides the Index, the Search function would be indispensible -- and which will be much more flexibly portable, contained in a little phone or small tablet or even streamlined laptop).

Plus, as a digital document, it would be easily revisable, and after it's deployed in the field, those initial uses would be "test runs" that might expose flaws that need correcting and fine-tuning.

Further Reading:

The aim of the A.I.M. should be an A.I.M.

Wellington,

I would suggest there's an additional reason to the PC/MC rot that exists out there and which actually predates PC/MC. It's this: The unwillingness, even the inability, for Western societies at large to come to the conclusion that a major religion can be evil. Your turn, LL.

You're right, this does predate PC MC. More often than not in my readings of writers of the past mentioning Islam, they regard it, and frequently describe it, as a religion. However, the further back in time one goes, the more is this acknowledged religion condemned -- though not uniformly by every critic writing about it, and it's not unusual even in pre-PC MC eras to see writers afflicted with the "well there are good aspects to Islam as well" tic. But one thing history teaches us in this regard is that many people had no problem largely condemning Islam while regarding it as a religion. So I don't think this is an insurmountable problem; just one more difficulty to add to the rest.

Basically, before the races begin, we are debilitated by certain handicaps imposed upon us by our surrounding culture:

1) Islam is regarded as a religion -- indeed, a "world religion" spanning the globe and having a rich inveterate history, and impressively populated by some 1.3 billion adherents.

2) The sheer quantity of adherents and their geographical extent in a global diaspora also inhibits too much criticism that veers toward "generalizing" (or that even smells like it might veer that way).

3) Our generally held and cherished principles of "Don't paint with a broad brush" along with "Innocent until proven guilty" exert much influence.

4) Then considerably augmenting the power of #1-3 is the central principle of PC MC: Reverse Racism. The vast majority of these adherents are perceived to be "ethnic" -- indeed, of various flavors of ethnicity, consituting a veritable tapestry or mosaic of charmingly non-Western colors and patterns of skin and garb and exotic cultures. And this isn't a stretch on the part of PC MCs: it's not like they have to twist reality into some strange counter-factual fantasy: 9 times out of 10 when you look at a Muslim or group of Muslims (or a sea of Muslims devoutly praying or hatefully protesting or fanatically fighting), they look ethnic -- and this unremarkably reflects the hsitorical fact that Islam spread its vast imperialism largely throughout what later came to be known as le Tiers Monde (the "Third World"). This is an advantage for the other team, and a handicap for us, because PC MC, which is dominant and mainstream and enjoys all the advantages which sociopolitical mainstream dominance endows, is centrally wired to favor and privilege ethnic minorities -- and because of their violence, this Designated Ethnic Minority of Muslim have elbowed their way to the top of the heap of Ethnic Minorities (since, as the saying goes, "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" -- and this particular wheel is squeaky with a vengeance).

5) Finally, the other central principle of PC MC -- excessive self-criticism of the West -- in its turn gives an added zap of caffeine to #4.

I am a retiree that has gone back to University and am dismayed by the fact that the instructors mix PC MC social engineering with the subjects they teach. I will be taking an introductory course on Islam in the upcoming semester and am ill-prepared to effectively stir-up a hornet's nest because my knowledge is limited by what I have gleaned poking my way around JW for several years. Since no manual exists I will be relying on the expertise of those at the CARM discussion forums through posts throughout the semester. I would rather bumble my way through with what help I can muster than to just sit on my hands and do nothing. I have often wondered what a difference the sharp minds and wits of those that populate this forum were to be unleashed on unsuspecting professors in the Middle Eastern Studies Departments of universities throughout the world. If there are those that are retired and/or have the time and the means, wouldn't it be wonderful if the energy they spent preaching to the choir were directed at those corrupting the minds of impressionable youth. The Lions of Truth could prevent alot of damage bought and paid for by the oil wealth of those that follow the Father of Lies.

One thing Robert Spencer didn't mention about CAIR: The FBI severed ties with them in 2009. And several senators approved of that and wanted the cutoff to be a government-wide policy.

Dear Retiree,

Quoting Islam has a lot of useful direct quotations from core Islamic texts referenced in many cases to a university database. You might find it helpful in stirring things up.

Duh_Swami, you wrote:

"The spiritual struggle within oneself against sin."

I've given your query a little more thought, and realized that I failed to mention the importance of the Holy Spirit at work within the born-again Christian that gives the power to overcome sin.

Before Jesus ascended into heaven He promised to send the comforter, or the holy spirit, to the disciples. This promise extends to all born-again Christians, as well.

And I found this helpful website for anyone interested in learning more, entitled: How can I overcome sin in my Christian life?

http://www.gotquestions.org/victory-over-sin.html


Retiree, you probably already know about this site:

http://www.answeringmuslims.com

David Wood, the brilliant guy who runs that website, is regularly on ABN (a station you can access online) on a show called "Jesus or Muhammad". One can watch many, many back episodes of the show (here) and learn a huge amount about Islam in a pretty entertaining way. You can also learn a huge amount from Robert Spencer's show on ABN. The back episodes of that are here.

Robert,

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Paleologos

Susanp, you bring up another factor about PC MC I hadn't emphasized that may help, at least partially, explain why this "morphing" of virtues has been happening: the utopian impulse, an obsession with perfecting this life beyond its mysterious imperfections: Wouldn't those virtues be even better if we could make them better? -- asks the Leftist and PC MC heedless of any problems that might get in the way.

In a way, this is another virtue taken to excess: generally speaking, it's good to try to be better; but damned if Leftists and PC MCs can't help but go too far in this regard, leading to a neurotic preoccupation with social engineering -- and, as you note, to an OCD tweaking of the other virtues I listed above.

At the heart of the neurosis, however, is a dynamic that defies coherence, and yet it drives almost everything they do. I palpated it in an essay I wrote for my blog on the great 15th century French poet and statesman, Michel de Montaigne, who I realized, from reading his essay on "Cannibalism" (in the Third World), was kind of a "Godfather" of PC MC, when it was still only a twinkle in the Western eye.

As one analyzes Montaigne's essay as he densely articulates a comparison between the savage Other (the "Noble Savage") and the civilized West, it becomes clear that it's not enough to say that "they are no worse than us" -- nor is it even enough to graduate to saying "they are better than us". The only way to wrest the meaning he intends, from the logically and psychologically tortured corner he artfully paints himself into, is to formulate it as a paradox:

"We are worse because we are better!"

And what was a relatively rare opinion in the 15th century, and only slightly more common by the 18th century Enlightenment changes, has now become as dominant and mainstream as the sun on a sunny day and the air we unthinkingly breathe.

I have bookmarked many a site. My approach is to record the lectures and have the Dragon Software transcribe them. Information that I am able to recognize at erroneous representations of my understanding of Islam will be highlighted and key terms will be referenced at the definitions section of In the Name of Allah.org as a starting point. I have a rudimentary understanding of Islam but when it comes to citing chapter and verse I fall short. The Islam Topic section at CARM is one site populated with those versed in the Qur'an and the Ahadith and they seem more than willing to share their knowledge. Tetelestai.

What is called 'sin' manifests itself by temptation...You can measure this temptation by the number of things we put MY in front of...My hubby, My children, My house, My car, My job, My money, MY dog. My, My, My,...The longer the list, the more you have fallen into temptation and sin...If sin is anything, it is temptation...But the prayer says, 'Lead me not into temptation' but deliver me from evil'...Meaning the evil lies in the temptation and then sin...The way to get around that is to dedicate your day to God when you wake up, and then do not say or do anything contrary to that all day...but I'm sure you already do that...

"As for the greater jihad, it is spiritual warfare against the lower self (nafs).”

That's all BS. In all the Islamic scriptures there are only one, say two hadits, which Muslims consider "weak" or forged.

I'll buy the 'forged' and stick with the more than 160 commands to kill, enslave or eradicate unbelievers.

Everything else is hope against hope.

i've learned that "sin" is anything against God's law.

the Decalogue has been mentioned. along with the prohibitions are admonitions (the converse of the individual 10 commandments). as the Law was given to instruct in righteousness, the righteous individual will worship God only, have no idols,will not steal, will not covet ...!.

the righteous ones of the Old Testament, tried but failed to live the Torah completely; they strove to realize the fulfilled Torah and could not. they trusted, instead, in the Promise.

not one human is able to fulfill the Decalogue 100%.

the Anointed - as God/man - did, according to the writers of the New Testament. to achieve righteousness, one must have faith, a gift from God, to believe His self-sacrifice was sufficient to remove guilt for sin.

to the point here, Muslims (poor souls) have a system to follow, which requires at best 51% compliance. there are degrees and gradients to be noted as to whether an act is "good" or "not good". most Muslims (poor souls) don't know the SHAIRA, let alone the Koran (a different logos), and are left with the capriciousness of the Allah god (unknowable; as imagined) to achieve Isalm and Paradise.

it is doubtful that even Muslims (poor souls) cannot comply with SHARIA even half their time.

could it be, that the fervor of the jihadis and the al-Quaidas, is so strong because they, too, have LOST Islam and can't admit it; they can't attain it, either, and can't admit it?

and so everyone down at the mosque (save those affected by other's thoughts)love misery.

"Can 'jihad' survive Pam Geller?"

Interesting question on a number of levels. From a long-term demographic standpoint, jihad--a term which refers to all those actions that are aimed at harming non-Muslims and establishing sharia--will most probably continue long after Pamela, and most of us commenting here at this blog, have passed away. It will continue because Muslims will continue being Muslims, and the essential aspect of being a Muslim is waging as much jihad as is humanly possible in whatever forms possible. There is inner jihad directed at opposing and hating disbelief and disbelievers, and, as a hadith indicates, that is the least of a Muslim's faith. More is favoured, including words and actions directed against disbelief and disbelievers. Those who go out physically striving in the way of Allah are better than those who stay at home, according to the Quran (Q 4:95, 9:20). The true believers in Islam are those who go out and strive with their wealth and their lives in the way of Allah (49:15); those who don't strive aren't real Muslims but are hypocrites who will be punished in hell for failing to engage in at least some form of jihad (e.g., 47:31 and many others).

It has been said that institutions are older than individuals, and the institution of jihad is no exception. As long as enough Muslims treat jihad as the central and most important aspect of Islam, jihad will continue to survive and cause major problems for many decades, and possibly centuries, to come. The question is not whether jihad can survive Pamela Geller in particular, but whether freedom- and equality-loving people in general will in the long run be able to ensure the survival of civilization against the continuing and increasing onslaughts of jihad.

When one looks at the whole PC, Multicultural thing in perspective, one cannot but help realize that the whole thing has been engineered from top to bottom. In this case, it would be pertinent to ask "Qui bono"? The whole project was set in motion close to 50 years ago, with whole countries coming together with the same agenda. And this I might add did not matter who was in power, Conservative or Liberal, they all pushed for the same international plan. Could it be that this set-up really fits in with a globalized and borderless world? Nationalism is being discouraged except when they target military recruitment, otherwise all is tolerated and equal and to ensure compliance, laws, strict laws, were enacted all over the world, the United States included, who morphed from a 'melting pot' to a multicultural society. In a Corporate world were business trumps all other matters, it is easy to see how this type of culture would benefit those who have wealth and power and their Muslim allies, because let us face it, these people at the top are a small and closed community and they do not believe in anything that they profess, be it patriotism, religion (a friend of mine who worked in the Middle East for years told how Sheiks would hold their liquor behind false walls that were opened by remote control), human rights, the golden rule or any of the other conventions that tie the rest of us to a set of rules of behavior. At the very top, all are equal. Their main aim is to hold on to and accumulate more wealth and power at all costs and to see their dynasties traverse the generations.

For all these things to have come about and come about homogeneously and seamlessly all over the Western globe, one has to be naive to think it was all happenstance.

If there is ANY 'spiritual' aspect to jihad, it would only be the struggle to refuse to be a decent, honourable human being, the struggle to destroy what potential worth or value as a human being the jihadi might have. Hardly spiritual or uplifting in any legitimate sense of the words.

Well laid out, LL. I agree with your five points.

Ah, the Dastardly Elites answer. It certainly answers the question; but boy does it violently throw the baby out with the bathwater.

https://me.yahoo.com/a/rkfdIQZwtorb_0JPfUAOHMf11cByqNg-#5b9a6 wrote:

When one looks at the whole PC, Multicultural thing in perspective, one cannot but help realize that the whole thing has been engineered from top to bottom.
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Actually, you find all sort of ordinary people who hold PC/MC idea. Some of these indeed originated with the elites, but certainly not all of them. Also, this wouldn't explain why so many of these ideas have found resonance with the non-elites. I believe LemonLime's positiing that much of PC/MC is a perversion of positive Western values makes more sense.

Of course, many of those distortions did originate with the elites.

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In this case, it would be pertinent to ask "Qui bono"?
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Not entirely—the issue of who benefits can shift over time. Policies that enabled globalism might benefit large corporations in the short run, but creating conditions that might usher in Shari'ah law would hardly do so in the long run.

And the "qui bono" argument has been used in some fairly ridiculous ways over the years, such as suggesting that Robert Spencer is the cause of violent Jihad around the world because it boosts his book sales.

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...these people at the top are a small and closed community and they do not believe in anything that they profess, be it patriotism, religion (a friend of mine who worked in the Middle East for years told how Sheiks would hold their liquor behind false walls that were opened by remote control)...
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I'm not sure I'd read that much into such behavior. Those same Sheikhs who enjoy their booze are quite devout when it comes to enforcing the barbarity of Shari'ah law. Just because they are lax in their personal lives *does not* mean they don't take their vicious creed quite seriously.

Saudi Arabia is not any more liberal a society for the licentiousness of the ruling family.

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For all these things to have come about and come about homogeneously and seamlessly all over the Western globe, one has to be naive to think it was all happenstance.
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That doesn't mean it was entirely a conspiracy, either. Indeed, I believe the larger problem is that so many in the West have taken to heart the foolish aspects of PC/MC—this is not just a matter of ousting some baleful "elites".

And the concept of an unchanging, dynastic "elite" is a questionable one in the free West, in any case. case, where social mobility is so widespread.

Addressed to the "retiree that has gone back to University"

Oh how I wish so many more would do the same. I want to share some facts with you that I know you will need that you may not be aware of. If you are - then please disregard.

Taught in the koran:

047.004 - Beheadings

033.052 - Gang Rape of female 'infidels'

005.033 - Crucifixions

008.067 - Treason (perjury in a non-muslim court is commanded when defending islam)

033.061 - Genocide "without mercy"

005.041 - Racism

Also:

God gave a New Covenant. And in this New Covenant (the New Testament) there is very important fact to remember: There is not one single sentence that exists that teaches humans to be violent with each other. Not one.

The carnal laws are (and there are only five):

Do Not Lie

Do not Steal

Do not Cheat

Do no Murder

Do not Covet

(end of Christian Carnal Commands - There are no more after those)

You need to be prepared because the very first thing to expect after you've made your valid point (and only if there is an audience) - that Islam is evil - is that they'll claim all other religions are just as evil, which in too many cases, when done befora an audience - ends the debate.

The reply is (and it is a truthful reply - and on the internet for all to see for themselves)....there is not one single sentence in the New Testament that exists that teaches humans to be violent with each other. The same can be said of the Koran - and that is also a fact that can be seen by all.

And here is the test of wisdom for the professors: Which society would they rather their own loved ones grow up in: One that teaches all not to lie, not to steal,....etc - OR - one that preaches beheadings and cruxifixions?

May the Real God bless you "retiree that has gone back to University" and may many more follow you and do the same.

God Bless you.

Beth

Addressed to the "retiree that has gone back to University"

Oh how I wish so many more would do the same. I want to share some facts with you that I know you will need that you may not be aware of. If you are - then please disregard.

Taught in the koran:

047.004 - Beheadings

033.052 - Gang Rape of female 'infidels'

005.033 - Crucifixions

008.067 - Treason (perjury in a non-muslim court is commanded when defending islam)

033.061 - Genocide "without mercy"

005.041 - Racism

Also:

God gave a New Covenant. And in this New Covenant (the New Testament) there is very important fact to remember: There is not one single sentence that exists that teaches humans to be violent with each other. Not one.

The carnal laws are (and there are only five):

Do Not Lie

Do not Steal

Do not Cheat

Do no Murder

Do not Covet

(end of Christian Carnal Commands - There are no more after those)

You need to be prepared because the very first thing to expect after you've made your valid point (and only if there is an audience) - that Islam is evil - is that they'll claim all other religions are just as evil, which in too many cases, when done befora an audience - ends the debate.

The reply is (and it is a truthful reply - and on the internet for all to see for themselves)....there is not one single sentence in the New Testament that exists that teaches humans to be violent with each other. The same can be said of the Koran - and that is also a fact that can be seen by all.

And here is the test of wisdom for the professors: Which society would they rather their own loved ones grow up in: One that teaches all not to lie, not to steal,....etc - OR - one that preaches beheadings and cruxifixions?

May the Real God bless you "retiree that has gone back to University" and may many more follow you and do the same.

God Bless you.

Beth

Addressed to the "retiree that has gone back to University"

Oh how I wish so many more would do the same. I want to share some facts with you that I know you will need that you may not be aware of. If you are - then please disregard.

Taught in the koran:

047.004 - Beheadings

033.052 - Gang Rape of female 'infidels'

005.033 - Crucifixions

008.067 - Treason (perjury in a non-muslim court is commanded when defending islam)

033.061 - Genocide "without mercy"

005.041 - Racism

Also:

God gave a New Covenant. And in this New Covenant (the New Testament) there is very important fact to remember: There is not one single sentence that exists that teaches humans to be violent with each other. Not one.

The carnal laws are (and there are only five):

Do Not Lie

Do not Steal

Do not Cheat

Do no Murder

Do not Covet

(end of Christian Carnal Commands - There are no more after those)

You need to be prepared because the very first thing to expect after you've made your valid point (and only if there is an audience) - that Islam is evil - is that they'll claim all other religions are just as evil, which in too many cases, when done befora an audience - ends the debate.

The reply is (and it is a truthful reply - and on the internet for all to see for themselves)....there is not one single sentence in the New Testament that exists that teaches humans to be violent with each other. The same can be said of the Koran - and that is also a fact that can be seen by all.

And here is the test of wisdom for the professors: Which society would they rather their own loved ones grow up in: One that teaches all not to lie, not to steal,....etc - OR - one that preaches beheadings and cruxifixions?

May the Real God bless you "retiree that has gone back to University" and may many more follow you and do the same.

God Bless you.

Beth

Addressed to the "retiree that has gone back to University"

Oh how I wish so many more would do the same. I want to share some facts with you that I know you will need that you may not be aware of. If you are - then please disregard.

Taught in the koran:

047.004 - Beheadings

033.052 - Gang Rape of female 'infidels'

005.033 - Crucifixions

008.067 - Treason (perjury in a non-muslim court is commanded when defending islam)

033.061 - Genocide "without mercy"

005.041 - Racism

Also:

God gave a New Covenant. And in this New Covenant (the New Testament) there is very important fact to remember: There is not one single sentence that exists that teaches humans to be violent with each other. Not one.

The carnal laws are (and there are only five):

Do Not Lie

Do not Steal

Do not Cheat

Do no Murder

Do not Covet

(end of Christian Carnal Commands - There are no more after those)

You need to be prepared because the very first thing to expect after you've made your valid point (and only if there is an audience) - that Islam is evil - is that they'll claim all other religions are just as evil, which in too many cases, when done befora an audience - ends the debate.

The reply is (and it is a truthful reply - and on the internet for all to see for themselves)....there is not one single sentence in the New Testament that exists that teaches humans to be violent with each other. The same can be said of the Koran - and that is also a fact that can be seen by all.

And here is the test of wisdom for the professors: Which society would they rather their own loved ones grow up in: One that teaches all not to lie, not to steal,....etc - OR - one that preaches beheadings and cruxifixions?

May the Real God bless you "retiree that has gone back to University" and may many more follow you and do the same.

God Bless you.

Beth

Sigh. Could you please keep your voluble voluminous repeat posts down to at least 2? Four is crossing the line.

Sorry to bother you with one more slightly off-topic post, regarding the various comments on sin and fighting sin in Christianity.
It was said, faith is a gift of God; this is erroneous. Grace is the gift of God, and every human has faith, to place in God, or not, by his or her own choice. Most humans, as also the Bible observes, place it in themselves or other gods.
As to the matter of fighting sin, please read Romans 7 and know you shouldn't be doing that. You were set free from sin when you came to Christ, so stop occupying yourself with it. See first verse of Romans 8.
Christians walk under only one law and it cover everything. Love God and love thy neighbor. More details are in Galatians 5:22,23, which observes, if you are good, loving, kind, temperate, etc. there is no law anywhere you can violate. If you love your neighbor how shall you harm him, steal from him, be mean to him just because?
All you need is love. Even John Lennon knew that and he was an atheist.

I don't think she intended multiple postings. Other 'regulars' have done multiple postings of late - up to three or four, if I recall correctly - but not so noticeable because of the multiplied comment being short.

The Typepad comments system here, for some of us, has been of late much more tedious, time-consuming and...haywire, than it ever was.

One may press the 'submit' button...and then after a loooong while, as the little wheel spins round, get a timeout message.

Unless one opens another window, and tediously reopens jihadwatch in that window, and goes back to the particular thread, to check whether the post has in fact gone through - which it often has, but sometimes...hasn't - then one may, especially if new here or an infrequent visitor, click back to the 'frame' which contains the thread and the comment box with text in it and impatiently press 'submit' again. And get a timeout, again...

I don't think 'Beth' multiplied her comment out of malice aforethought.

I think she fell into the same trap that has caught quite a few of us.

"One may press the 'submit' button...and then after a loooong while, as the little wheel spins round, get a timeout message."

Well, I'm a pretty dim bulb when it comes to computers, but even I finally figured out that when that happens, you DON'T do ANYthing except get out and come back and check.

And of course make sure you have a copy of what you wrote in case it's not there. But after seeing it there in this kind of situation like 100 different times, I got the message.

As I just had to do!

jitskesez

slightly off topic we are, except some of the discussion above concerns a "moral inversion" that PC journalists like Seitz-Wald, either ignore or don't have knowledge about such.

to be somewhat aligned with the likes of those he supports in the article indicates to me lack of knowledge and care on his part. i hope he and others like him wise up.

i think you overlook the favorite verses of a Reformer who had daily concerns with the movements of the "turks." Martin Luther is that man.

Luther loved Eph. 2: 8-10. In those verses he discovered that Apostle Paul taught that: faith is a gift from God.And he show a rather constant concern for the faith of church members in his letters, including Romans.

the Apostle also wrote of faith as justifying one. Since you recommended verses in Galations, check out Gal. 3:4b, 25,26.

as regards Muslims (poor souls) they have not faith to believe in what justifies. they do not have faith in TRUTH (something PCers and others can't be concerned with for the sake of their ideaology instead of their soul)

the moral inversion has to do with dulling the natural conscience of millions with a new law (SHARIA), as determined to be part of a different instruction from the Allah god (unknowable; as imagined)than all that had preceeded the time Muhammad (lately contrived)supposedly lived. the new law produces a false hope in a salvation that is to be proven false when each Muslim (impoverished souls) dies.

by imitating Muhammad (lier, idolater, thief, adulterer, pedophile)they serve to negate catalogues such as you sight in Gal. 5.

i would submit that one, even you, cannot love God (let alone neighbor) without faith, bestowed, of course, by a Gracious God.

Luther was unhinged: he clearly wrote, without equivocation, that the Pope and the Church he directed was more evil than the "Turks" because, as he so vividly put it, the Turks only kill the body, but the Pope damns the soul.

I'll be damned if I let anyone influence policy based upon such an outrageous promiscuity of the separation of state and church (or as Jesus put it, Caesar and God).

jitskesez

sorry, skipped a number: that's Eph 3: 24b,...

lemonlime

at the time, the Pope set to build a building by selling a worthless piece of paper through fear

and i think today of the several ways people are not led to the Mediator between God and man which the Popes continue to allow. Misleading, when the means to God's grace are so promising.

today, jihadis and al-Qaidas, mean to kill the church (visble) and are encouraging many to be anti Christ. they do this by instituting a new law (SHARIA)which enslaves and certainly leads away from what saves. they also prefer to use bombs, acid, and crulties of all kinds to make their point.

i'm disappointed that the recent Popes are not standing firmly on Peter's confession - given Him by the Father (in heave) - and making the point that the Allah god (unknowable) has no power to save impoverished souls.

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