UK: Jury dismissed in Sharia trial of man accused of ripping up Qur'an -- no retrial planned

A small bit of sanity in a not yet completely Sharia-compliant Britain.

An update on this story. "Jury dismissed in Leicester trial of man accused of ripping up his Koran – no retrial planned," from the National Secular Society, January 9 (thanks to Twostellas):

The trial has collapsed of a Leicester man who was accused of causing "religiously aggravated intentional harassment, alarm or distress by demonstrating hostility based on membership of a particular religious group". Peter James Crawford was said to have torn pages from his own copy of the Koran and thrown the book on the ground shouting "Your religion is a load of b***cks". He did this next to a stall run by the Islamic Information Centre, near the Clock Tower, in Leicester city centre, last May.

Kamran Qayyum, an employee of the IIC, told the court that Mr Crawford "started tearing up pages from a book and they were going on the floor. He wasn't saying anything. The pages covered a lot of ground, they were everywhere. I then noticed Arabic inscriptions and realised it was the Koran. I knelt down and was picking up the papers when he threw the Koran down, just missing me."

Mr Qayyum said: "The Koran is sacred to us and we honour it. We also have a Bible on our stand and we show the Bible the same respect. One of the laws of the Koran is it shouldn't be on the floor, it should be high up and our hands should be clean when it's touched. I was shocked."

Defence advocate Steven Newcombe said: "There are many who oppose Islam. Did you take it he was expressing anti-Islamic views and disrespecting the religion?"

"Yes," said Mr Quyyum, although he agreed that Mr Crawford did not threaten or provoke any violence.

Another stall volunteer, Zahid Hussein, said: "I saw him ripping up the book. I was in shock, disgusted. It's our life, our way of life and we live by that book – it's very sacred."

Mr Crawford claimed, in interview, that he was expressing his disagreement with religion of any kind. He told the police it was his own copy of the Koran he tore up, and he would have done the same with a Bible as he did not understand either holy book and "hated" all religion. "I'm not against the people, just their religion," he said.

James Bide-Thomas, prosecuting, said: "The real issue is whether Crawford was insulting and whether it was a crime that we say he committed. It's tradition in this country of freedom of speech and people are entitled to say what they want, as long as it's not illegal in relation to the law, which prevents people going out to cause harassment, alarm or distress by insulting behaviour, basically upsetting people.

"It's for you to decide whether what he did was insulting or whether it was a legitimate piece of freedom of speech being exercised or if what he did was deliberately calculated to upset the people from the Islamic Information Centre."

So what if he had? Are the people from the Islamic Information Centre legally immune from deliberate calculations to upset them? On what grounds are they accorded this legal protection? Who else has it? If Islamic supremacists deliberately calculate to upset counter-jihadists, would they be hauled to court?

But the eight women and four men on the jury sent a note to the judge saying there was no prospect of them reaching either a unanimous or a majority verdict on which at least 10 of them agreed.

Crawford was released on bail with a condition imposed that he should not to go within half-a-mile of the Clock Tower on Saturday afternoons....

Terry Sanderson, President of the National Secular Society, commented: "The Muslim volunteers put themselves out there in a public place with an idea that should not have special protection from argument or strong disapproval. We would protect the right of the Islamic Society to distribute their propaganda, but, providing it is done non-violently, we should also protect the right of those who dispute it to freely express their disproval [sic]."

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A "Tear Up the Koran Day" would be a good idea for Britain, America or any Western nation. Tearing up books is something I would ordinarily oppose but since it's either Islam or freedom, can't have both, I say tear, baby, tear. Freedom needs it and Islam deserves it.

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DO NOT RIP THEM ...

FLUSH THEM !

YES !

PALEOLOGOS HAS STRUCK !

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w74hfjR4eLc

"It's our life, our way of life and we live by that book – it's very sacred."

Uh.. no it's not.
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2011/04/one-great-american-woman.html

These poor mulsim cry babies must be comforted and protected, lest they become upset that someone may reject nay even despise their "noble beloved" murderous theiving lying pedophile pseudoprophet Muhammed.
I myself would not waste a good Koran by simply ripping it up, rather if the pages are soft enough-use it as toilet paper or blowing one's nose, or wrapping fish guts in before burying it in the compost pile. Such filth as the koran makes good fertilizer fot the garden.

excellent Idea wellington!!! Yes excellent!!!
M

From the article - "Crawford was released on bail with a condition imposed that he should not to go within half-a-mile of the Clock Tower on Saturday afternoons".

Meanwhile the Muslims are going to be proceeding with their weekly da'wa sessions, targeting the gullible among the non-Muslim population: " a stall run by the Islamic Information Centre, near the Clock Tower, in Leicester city centre".

Hmm.

Mr *Crawford* has been forbidden to offer any opposition to this Mohammedan da'wa. But that leaves *others* free to have a go.

Why should not a bunch of Islamosavvy 'kuffars united for humanity' - Christians of all backgrounds, and the National Secular Society, and Hindus and Buddhists and Jews - under the aegis of SIOE, set up another stall alongside, or just opposite, offering alternative information?

I'd suggest a pile of the Barnabas Fund pamphlets about Islam - 'What is Islam?', 'What is Shari'a?' [which includes a couple of pages bluntly explaining the 'five main areas in which sharia is incompatible with human rights'], 'Islam and Truth', 'Islam and Slavery' - and politely offered copies to any non-Muslims who they saw being targeted by the da'wa artists? Additional materials? - free copies, in plain brown paper covers, of disks of Ayaan Hirsi Ali's 'Submission' and Geert Wilders' 'Fitna'.

It would be easy enough to do off and hand out copies of various translations of the notorious 'Pact of Omar' which is the archetype of all the draconian and repressive 'rules for dhimmis' which were imposed upon non-Muslims living within the dar al Islam and which de facto or de jure make their lives a misery today.

To break the 'rules for dhimmis', all Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs and Jews participating would prominently wear the distinctive symbols of their faith (sceptics and atheists could wear black t-shirts with a big question-mark in the centre).

Copies of the sacred books of the various non-Muslim faiths - and copies of books such as Ibn Warraq's 'Why I am Not a Muslim' and 'Leaving Islam', and Ayaan Hirsi Ali's 'Infidel' and 'Nomad' and Wafa Sultan's 'A God Who Hates' and Nonie Darwish's 'Now They Call Me Infidel' could be stacked up on a shelf, handy for passersby to leaf through and have a look at, if they so desire. And Mr Spencer's 'Complete Infidel's Guide to the Koran'. All in the interests of publicly claiming and exercising the right to freedom of speech.

The stallholders would organise to bring along three pet dogs to have visibly in attendance, big ones, preferably black, since Mohammedans think black dogs are Satan.

Have a ghetto blaster and , periodically, play music, not too loud (so as not to run afoul of council noise regs). A nice recording of church bells (since these are forbidden by Islam; the things that Muslims call 'angels' are repelled by church bells, so they believe). The atheists could play that jaunty and irreverent little piece from 'Porgy and Bess' : "It Ain't Necessarily So".

Have a couple of icons - I suggest the Vladimir icon and the 'Three Angels' icon - visible, so as to breach the rule that forbids paintings of living beings; and a nice little replica of Rodin's 'The Thinker'.

Hand out free prosciutto samples, and liqueur chocolates or rum-balls, and as you do, tell people that in Muslim lands dhimmis are forbidden to 'display' wine and pork.

Make the stall lively, interesting, colourful and *fun*..and aim to communicate all the things about Islam that the Muslims *won't* be telling their prospective gulls.

UK: Jury dismissed in Sharia trial of man accused of ripping up Qur'an -- no retrial planned

A small bit of sanity in a not yet completely Sharia-compliant Britain.
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Yes, indeed. Of course, it is madness that this ever came to trial in Britain to begin with.

Ripping up *any* book is not a crime there—unless it someone else's book, in which case it is a minor property crime.

More:

Mr Qayyum said: "The Koran is sacred to us and we honour it. We also have a Bible on our stand and we show the Bible the same respect. One of the laws of the Koran is it shouldn't be on the floor, it should be high up and our hands should be clean when it's touched. I was shocked."
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Firstly, the idea that Muslims treat the Bible with respect is bullsh*t. Bibles are regularly confiscated and destroyed in places like Saudi Arabia.

Secondly, Mr. Qayyum can regard the Qur'an in any way he wants—that doesn't mean that he has any say in what Mr. Crawford—or any Infidel—does with his own copies.

More:

Another stall volunteer, Zahid Hussein, said: "I saw him ripping up the book. I was in shock, disgusted. It's our life, our way of life and we live by that book – it's very sacred."
...............................

So what? Muslims can only impose their "respect" for the vile Qur'an on Infidels in the Muslim world. Britain is not part of Dar-al-Islam *yet*.

More:

Mr Crawford claimed, in interview, that he was expressing his disagreement with religion of any kind. He told the police it was his own copy of the Koran he tore up, and he would have done the same with a Bible as he did not understand either holy book and "hated" all religion...
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And if Mr. Crawford had torn up a Bible in the Leicester city centre, would he have wound up on trial for it? Of course not.

More:

James Bide-Thomas, prosecuting, said: "The real issue is whether Crawford was insulting and whether it was a crime that we say he committed. It's tradition in this country of freedom of speech and people are entitled to say what they want...
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And what do the Muslims of the Liecester Islamic Centre think of freedom of speech?

Here's a very disturbing article from the centre on just that subject:

"Freedom of Speech: a True Islamic View"

http://www.islamiccentre.org/index.php/forums/media/plugins/content/sexybookmarks/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=122:freedom-of-speech-a-true-islamic-view&catid=17:islamic-beliefs&Itemid=42

They consider freedom of speech *un-Isamic*.

More:

Crawford was released on bail with a condition imposed that he should not to go within half-a-mile of the Clock Tower on Saturday afternoons....
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In other words, while—thank goodness!—Mr. Crawford was not convicted, his freedom of speech and freedom of movement is still being restricted, even though what he did was not harassment and represented no threat.

Unrelated to the issue of freedom pof speech, but here's some more ugly stuff from the Islamic Centre—here, an apologia for polygamy:

http://www.islamiccentre.org/index.php/forums/media/plugins/content/sexybookmarks/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=38:who-practices-polygamy-&catid=18:living-islam&Itemid=42

They stress that Muslims need not ask their first wife for her approval when taking another wife.

Sickeningly, they claim that Christians "ruined" the family with the institution of monogamy.

You observed that these fools from the Leicester Islamic Centre "claim that Christians "ruined" the family with the institution of monogamy."

ROFLMAO.

Every country (not just Christian countries, either) that has instituted and encouraged monogamy has benefited therefrom.

Some folks over at a University in Canada did a massive historical study on the subject awhile ago - monogamy vs polygamy (or, more correctly, polygyny) and their conclusions - that for long-term social stability and wellbeing - especially of women and children - monogamy is the gold standard. can be read here.

Summary.

http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/40214

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/9041460/Monogamy-safer-than-polygamy.html

Wednesday, 25 January 2012
From The Philosophical Transactions Of The Royal Society

Monogamy reduces major social problems of polygamist cultures
University of British Columbia | January 25, 2012

Summary: "In cultures that permit men to take multiple wives, the intra-sexual competition that occurs causes greater levels of crime, violence, poverty and gender inequality than in societies that institutionalize and practice monogamous marriage."...

"Considered the most comprehensive study of polygamy and the institution of marriage, the study finds significantly higher levels of rape, kidnapping, murder, assault, robbery and fraud in polygynous cultures.

"According to Henrich and his research team, which included Profs. Robert Boyd (UCLA) and Peter Richerson (UC Davis), these crimes are caused primarily by pools of unmarried men, which result when other men take multiple wives.

“The scarcity of marriageable women in polygamous cultures increases competition among men for the remaining unmarried women,” says Henrich, adding that polygamy was outlawed in 1963 in Nepal, 1955 in India (partially), 1953 in China and 1880 in Japan.

T'he greater competition increases the likelihood men in polygamous communities will resort to criminal behavior to gain resources and women, he says...'.

And by way of contrast:

'Monogamous marriage... results in significant improvements in child welfare, including lower rates of child neglect, abuse, accidental death, homicide and intra-household conflict, the study finds.

"These benefits result from greater levels of parental investment, smaller households and increased direct “blood relatedness” in monogamous family households, says Henrich, who served as an expert witness for British Columbia’s Supreme Court case involving the polygamous community of Bountiful, B.C.'

Here's the abstract:
http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/367/1589/657.abstract

But there *is* a way you can read the whole thing (or was, last time I checked)

Go to this link:
http://www.publicaffairs.ubc.ca/2012/01/23/monogamy-reduces-major-social-problems-of-polygamist-cultures/

When it opens, scroll down to the bottom where it says:

"View the study, 'the puzzle of monogamous marriage, at...".
and click on the link there provided
which will allow you to view the *whole* thing in its original scholarly form, footnotes and all.

Anyone here from Britain who fancies challenging those Leicester Islamic Centre polygyny-pushers could print it off and hand it out - or strip it down to a summary, pamphlet-style - in Leicester Square...

Mr Qayyum said: "The Koran is sacred to us and we honor it. We also have a Bible on our stand and we show the Bible the same respect.”

What utter rubbish. The only reason these fundamuslimists have a Bible in their Islamic Propaganda Centre stand is to misuse it to “prove” to uninformed and gullible people that it is corrupt as per misleading Islamic teachings. They shamelessly and blatantly misquote from it selected passages of how Muhammad was prophesized therein and how violent it is and so on and how superior the Koran is. It has certainly nothing to do with respecting the Bible. Mere taqiyya.

What is also very worrisome is why this incident even went to trial in the first place. What a miscarriage of justice and a blow for free speech this farce of a trial was. It is solely intended to intimidate all skeptics and all criticism of the cult of Islam, its Koran and its prophet Note that the trial did not exonerate Peter Crawford completely but merely withdrew charges when the hung-jury was unable to reach a unanimous verdict. There is no guarantee that such sham trials will not recur in dhimmified Britain.

I am a sensitive, self-pitying, weak-minded cry-baby. I suffer deep distress and grave offence whenever anyone mentions that the Emperor Constantine was the final compiler of the New Testament, which he edited to his personal taste in the year 325. I find this point of view profoundly disturbing, the more so when expressed by a person who is unwilling to discuss the historical evidence.

I would like to be shielded from this offensive point of view. If I go to Leicester, will I find special protection from the free speech of these people? Will the law punish them for upsetting me with their lies?

No Torah held sacred?

Shafee

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