UK Muslim leader: If West pays Muslims, terrorism will cease

“I know the people who are the victims of the drone attacks. They are very, very poor. They need education. If you give them money for education they become your friend. If you kill them they will become your enemy.”

This is so ridiculous. The U.S. has showered billions on Pakistan for education, and built the schools. Sajjad is saying that if the U.S. stops fighting back against the jihad and pays the jizya with willing submission (cf. Qur’an 9:29), then all will be well.

“Birmingham terror cell: a forlorn fight against extremism in the Balti Triangle,” by Jonathan Brown and Paul Peachey in the Independent, February 21 (thanks to David):

Birmingham’s bustling inner city suburbs of Sparkbrook and Sparkhill found itself on the front line of Britain’s war on terror even before the hijacked airliners smashed into the Twin Towers 12 years ago.

Police raided the “bomb factory” home of former waiter Moinul Abedin in January 2001 smashing what has since been described as the UK”s first home grown al-Qa”ida plot.

Since then the security forces have made repeated visits to the city”s celebrated Balti Triangle and its Pakistani, Kashmiri and Bangladeshi neighbourhoods to mounting alarm from community leaders. Each raid, with its hurtling convoys of police vehicles, screaming sirens and taped-off streets, brings a new sense of shock and dismay.

According to research by the Henry Jackson Society, more convicted British Islamic terrorists have come from Birmingham than anywhere else outside London. Others including five Britons convicted of plotting bomb attacks in Yemen in 1999 and the so-called Tipton Taliban also have links to the city.

In 2010 when the local community reacted angrily to the revelation that police had installed vehicle recognition surveillance cameras to track suspected terrorist activity in the Muslim areas off the busy Stratford Road corridor, the police justified their actions by pointing out that there had been 11 terrorist-related convictions in Sparkbrook and nearby Washwood Heath in the previous three years.

These included Parviz Khan from Alum Rock who was jailed for 14 years for plotting to kidnap and behead a British soldier.

The later conviction for publishing extremist texts of Ahmed Faraz, who operated the local Maktabah bookshop and whose customers included the July 7 bomb plot leader Mohammed Sidique Khan, further stoked official interest in the area — even after many of his charges were quashed by the Court of Appeal.

Terrorism experts now point that despite more than 15 convictions since 2001 nearly all have now returned to their communities after serving half of their relatively short sentences. But local people believe the ideas that underpin violent extremism do not come from within but outside.

Muhammad Suleman, 60, a former welder and community elder, believes young men, isolated from their families, frustrated by a lack of prospects and angered at Western military intervention in the Muslim world come under the influence of militant propaganda which contradicts the teachings of Islam. “A lot of young people don’t go to mosque. They learn on the internet. It is information you can’t hide and they make their own mind up,” he says

“Young people have no experience of life. They are emotional and get upset and may take the law into their own hands,” he adds. “Those who are criminals should be punished but don’t criminalise the whole community. You give the lead to all the racists and people who are anti-muslim,” he warns

At the UK Islamic Mission mosque on Stratford Road — one of 16 places of worship within the surrounding streets- more than 400 people cram into Friday prayers each week including the family of Ahmed Faraz. The Imam, Muhammad Sajjad, originally from North West Pakistan, said the mosques do their best to combat extremism. “Terrorists have no religion – a terrorist is a terrorist,” he says.

However, he is also aware his message competes against the background of international events.

“I know the people who are the victims of the drone attacks. They are very, very poor. They need education. If you give them money for education they become your friend. If you kill them they will become your enemy,” he says.

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  1. says

    They can’t become your enemy is you kill them all. Simple math.

    Let’s see, what is that refrain from al-Qaeda? Ah yes, you prefer life, we prefer death. Here’ a variation of that enlightened Muslim assessment of life and death, to wit, free people (this would, of course, exclude Muslims, who even if living in a free country are still not free because they are bound by the metaphorical chains Islam wraps them in), prefer killing non-free people who would make free people non-free.

  2. says

    “….mounting alarm from community leaders. Each raid, with its hurtling convoys of police vehicles, screaming sirens and taped-off streets, brings a new sense of shock and dismay.”

    Um, yes: it must be traumatic for the surrounding areas always to live in fear and insecurity.

  3. says

    Wait, did I read this correctly?

    “Pay muslims, or the terrorism will continue”

    Isnt that called…..no wait let me think… oh yeah EXTORTION?

    So let me get this correct:

    Burn American flag – OK

    Burn Bible (or other religious text) – Fine

    Demand money and threaten more violence if non payment – Politically nice advice

    Burn the Quran – you are charged with a hate crime and jailed.

    4 more years of this???

  4. says

    UK Muslim leader: If West pays Muslims, terrorism will cease
    ……………………………….

    This is both utter crap…and true.

    If this meretricious creep is implying that Muslims only wage violent Jihad because they are poverty-stricken little waifs, this is obviously false. Was the attempted Panty Bomber”the son of a wealthy and respected Nigerian banker”poor? Of course not. Was bin Laden’the son of a family made rich from lucrative construction contracts”poor? Ridiculous.

    Also, this is an insult”a common one, though”to every genuinely impoverished Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, animist, and atheist who is *not* waging violent Jihad against us”which is to say *all of them*.

    And waging Jihad is rarely free. If you someone can afford a Kalashnikov or a suicide vest then he can probably afford to plant some crops or buy some goods to resell. And”let’s see”how many school books can you purchase for the price of a rocket launcher?

    But there is an aspect of this that *is* accurate. What this “Muslim Leader” wants is for the West to pay tribute”Jizya”to Muslims. Under Shari’ah, Muslims will refrain from waging violent Jihad if Infidels submit to Muslims and become servile dhimmis”and pay them vast, crippling amounts of protection money.

    His goal right now is likely two-fold”to throw Infidels off as to the ideological cause of Jihad, and extort money from Infidels to fund the Ummah”and, incidentally, *more violent Jihad*.

    More:

    “I know the people who are the victims of the drone attacks. They are very, very poor. They need education. If you give them money for education they become your friend. If you kill them they will become your enemy.”
    ……………………………….

    Was Anwart Al-Awlaki”who had grown up in America, with all its advantages”poor and ill educated? Absolutely not.

    And that last is *grimly hilarious*. If you kill Jihad terrorists they will not “become your enemy””being, y’know, dead and all.

    Also, they would not have been targeted in the first place unless they were *already* our enemies.

    In addition, the idea that if we only pay for their education they will be our friends is grotesque, with the spectacle of the Taliban blowing up schools in Afghanistan and Pakistan that we have built and funded.

    More:

    “Birmingham terror cell: a forlorn fight against extremism in the Balti Triangle”
    ……………………………….

    When I fist read this, I thought the “Balti Triangle” was probably in someplace like Pakistan”not *Birmingham, England*. My mother was born in Birmingham, long before anyone could ever have imagined it would be a center for the waging of violent Islamic Jihad.

    More:

    Others including five Britons convicted of plotting bomb attacks in Yemen in 1999 and the so-called Tipton Taliban also have links to the city.
    ……………………………….

    “Five Britons””Allistair? Nigel? Colin? Of course not. What do you want to bet that these “five Britons” had names like Mohammed and Ahmed?

    More:

    Terrorism experts now point that despite more than 15 convictions since 2001 nearly all have now returned to their communities after serving half of their relatively short sentences. But local people believe the ideas that underpin violent extremism do not come from within but outside.

    Muhammad Suleman, 60, a former welder and community elder, believes young men, isolated from their families, frustrated by a lack of prospects and angered at Western military intervention in the Muslim world come under the influence of militant propaganda which contradicts the teachings of Islam. “A lot of young people don’t go to mosque. They learn on the internet. It is information you can’t hide and they make their own mind up,” he says
    ……………………………….

    What crap. You don’t find many low-income Infidel kids learning about terrorism “on the internet” and deciding to wage violent Jihad. This is Islam through and through.

    More:

    At the UK Islamic Mission mosque on Stratford Road – one of 16 places of worship within the surrounding streets- more than 400 people cram into Friday prayers each week including the family of Ahmed Faraz. The Imam, Muhammad Sajjad, originally from North West Pakistan, said the mosques do their best to combat extremism. “Terrorists have no religion – a terrorist is a terrorist,” he says.
    ……………………………….

    Any savvy Infidel should have a few questions for this not-so-good Imam. Who does this Imam consider a terrorist? What is really taught at that Mosque? Have any Infidels attended Kutbahs there to see, or are they just taking this Muslim’s word that Jihad and hatred of non-Muslims is not being preached at this Mosque? I’d imagine the latter. Silly dhimmis…

  5. says

    What bull! Paying jizzya is endless until there are no more kafirs!

    All Moslems are terrorists, but only a tiny minority are PRACTICING terrorists…the rest of ‘peaceful’ Moslems are merely awaiting to be approached by the Caliph to go on jihad.

    This happened in 1915 when the Turks murdere 3 million Christian subjects of the Turkish empire…the murders were carried out by ORDINARY CIVILIAN Turks who were delighted to get rid of the kafirs and loot their property.

    And no! Education won’t take the JIHAD out of Moslems. Many jihadists have university degrees and many have been MEDICAL DOCTORS!

    Governments need to fight Islam ideologically.

  6. says

    Had it not been for this small traffic incident, events would have turned out very differently. Christmas Day would have brought bombings and slaughter to Aden on a huge scale. Several of the places where western Christians would gather for their festivities were targeted: the Anglican church, a restaurant popular with foreigners, and the Moevenpick hotel. The British consulate, a UN office and a hotel used by American forces helping to clear land-mines were also allegedly on the list.

    But the plot – if that’s what it was – failed. The Daewoo car, allegedly with Malik Nasser Harhara from Birmingham at the wheel, sped on for a few minutes until it collided with another vehicle near a petrol station and its occupants ran off. Police arrived and opened the car boot, where they say they found explosives and guns. Shortly after that five Britons were arrested, along with an Algerian who had arrived from Britain with a false French passport.

    The Britons allegedly went to Yemen at the behest of Abu Hamza, where they made contact with Abu al-Hassan. Four days after the Britons were arrested, Abu al-Hassan and his supporters kidnapped 16 mainly British tourists in Abyan, in the hope of exchanging his hostages for the arrested men.

    Abu Hamza admits discussing the kidnapping with Abu al-Hassan by satellite phone, barely an hour after it took place. He has confirmed that Abu al-Hassan intended to exchange his tourist hostages for the arrested men.

    One of the arrested Britons, 17-year-old Mustapha Kamil, was Abu Hamza’s son. In court, he has admitted membership of an armed group.

    Another of the arrested Britons, Muhsin Ghailan, Abu Hamza’s stepson.

  7. says

    mohammedans are diabolical thugs and islam is a racketeering organization, and why this evil is allowed to continue I will never understand.

  8. says

    Muhammad Suleman, 60, a former welder and community elder, believes young men, isolated from their families, frustrated by a lack of prospects and angered at Western military intervention in the Muslim world come under the influence of militant propaganda which contradicts the teachings of Islam. “A lot of young people don’t go to mosque.

    This is the real bone of contention. We are invading Islamic countries and scattering the forces of Islam as a continuous policy since 9/11. Non-stop. This hurts the Islamic world right down to its inner psyche. Good.

    Slowly but surely we are moving to a proper war. The path was laid down after 9/11, and has continued regardless of the leaders in the West, including the president of the USA.

    The outcome of the war will settle it.

  9. says

    If the west pays Muslims they will hate them if they don’t pay them they will also hate them. The hatred which Muslims are taught to have for the West is so great no amount of money or kind works can change that I suggest the West use the money to support their own citizens living here and let the Muslim world languish in the poverty and ignorance it so seems to enjoy we should not be supporting them until they renounce Islam once and for all.

  10. says

    Education was really effective in preventing the airport bombing in Scotland. \sarc off

    Did they actually teach the Hippocratic Oath to those jihadi medical students?

  11. says

    Right, that was my first idea, too. If you kill them they can’t become your enemies, it’s as simple as that. But I’m afraid you can’t kill them all. It’s like the Taliban in Afghanistan, they keep recruiting new people. This is something I can only explain by human stupidity and Muslim fanaticism.

    Anyway they want us to pay jaziyya. When they’re in our countries it’s called dole (unemployment benefits) in English, I’m sure there’s a corresponding term in American as well. When they’re in their own countries they claim we’ve got to pay for their education or whatever.

    This is from Mark Durie, The Third Choice: Islam, Dhimmitude and Freedom:

    According to Ibn Taymiyya, as part of the fay (tribute), the jaziya was a restitution of an ‘inheritance’, of which the Muslim ‘was deprived’ because it had been unlawfully held by infidels. Through victory in warfare Allah has ‘restored’ these resources to benefit the Muslim community and thus the service of Allah.

    Please relax, have a beer and let this sink in, it’s needs to be digested. We’ve got to pay or vanish.

  12. says

    Epistemology wrote, quoting Mark Durie:

    According to Ibn Taymiyya, as part of the fay (tribute), the jaziya was a restitution of an ‘inheritance’, of which the Muslim ‘was deprived’ because it had been unlawfully held by infidels. Through victory in warfare Allah has ‘restored’ these resources to benefit the Muslim community and thus the service of Allah.
    ……………………………

    Very, very important point, Epistemology.

    When pious Muslims steal from Infidels, whether through “street Jihad”, piracy, ransom, “foreign aid” (tribute), welfare, Jizya, or any other means, they believe that they are taking back what is theirs.

    Pious Muslims have *no* philosophical conception of how wealth is formed”by hard work and innovation.

    Instead, they believe that all the world is Allah’s, so everything actually belongs to Muslims.

    If any Infidels have any wealth”from the glittering World Trade Center in New York City to the humblest falafel cart in Cairo, it is because they have’somehow”appropriated wealth due to Muslims.

    Muhammed famously disdained productive labour–he believed that any house with farming tools was ‘cursed’.

    He believed that the proper way for Muslims to live was off the hard work of despised Infidels–as slaves, dhimmis, and foreigners offering “tribute”. *Ugh*.

  13. says

    Of course, let there be no doubt. This monstrosity cannot be quelled by simply kowtowing and submitting. A RAVENOUS BEAST IS NEVER SATISFIED AND A GHOUL IS NEVER PEACEFUL, KIND AND LOVING!!!!! Islam is no more and no less that a highly elaborative system of “WHO CAN TELL THE MOST CONVINCING LIES IN ORDER TO STEAL, KILL AND DESTROY FROM ALL ‘DHIMMIS AND INFIDELS’?”….

    ISLAM IS NOT ABOUT ‘GETTING ALONG’ WITH THE INFIDEL AND ‘LOVING THY NEIGHBOR’–IT’S ABOUT SUBMISSION AND OSTRACISM AND INTIMIDATION AND MURDER AND LIES!!!!!