UK: Woman scarred for life when niqab-wearing attacker throws acid in her face

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The police will never find the assailant, of course. Everyone who wears a niqab looks exactly the same as everyone else wearing a niqab. But when debate rages in France and elsewhere over whether it is “racist” to ban the niqab and burqa, this story demonstrates that to do so is a simple matter of public safety.

Also, while the motive for this attack isn’t known, many victims of acid attacks in Pakistan have been targeted for wearing Western dress, i.e., dressing “immodestly,” and are thus subjected to this cruel Sharia enforcement. In Kashmir, Muslims threatened to throw acid in the faces of women who didn’t wear the veil and used cellphones. Naomi Oni was doing both. If this was not a case of Sharia enforcement by means of terror, such cases are sure to come to Britain and other Western countries eventually.

This attack should lead to a serious public discussion of Sharia and its enforcement, and how much of it we can and should realistically accept in free societies. But it won’t, because such a discussion would be “Islamophobic.”

“Victoria’s Secret worker scarred for life when niqab-wearing attacker threw acid in her face as she walked home from shop,” by Chris Brooke in the Daily Mail, February 1 (thanks to all who sent this in):

A young woman suffered horrific facial burns after a woman wearing a Muslim veil threw acid in her face.

Naomi Oni, 20, was walking home after finishing work at lingerie shop Victoria’s Secret when the woman, wearing a niqab — which reveals only the eyes — appeared and launched the apparently random attack.

It is not known whether the attack was motivated by the victim’s work for the store.

Initially, doctors feared the shop assistant had been blinded. But after a month’s treatment in a specialist burns unit, Miss Oni has recovered sight in her left eye and partial vision in her right.

Miss Oni has only recently been discharged from hospital but has decided to speak out to help police catch her attacker.

She said: “˜I look in the mirror and it just isn’t me. I’ll never look the same again.

“˜I”ve always been outgoing and confident — used to getting attention for the way I dress or my hair — but now I don’t want anyone looking at me.

“˜I don’t want people to see me in public. I don’t want to get the Tube or the bus. If I have to go to the hospital I take a taxi.

“˜I don’t know if I’ll ever be able to go back to my job.

“˜I was planning to go to college in September to study media and fashion, but I don’t even know if I’ll be able to do that.”

On December 30, Miss Oni took the bus home to Dagenham, East London after finishing a late shift at Victoria’s Secret in the Westfield shopping centre in nearby Stratford.

It was around 12.40am, and she was just five minutes from the council flat she shares with her disabled mother, when she saw the woman and felt a “˜splash” on her face. She said: “˜It burned and I screamed out.

“˜I started running and screaming, holding my face, all the way home. I didn’t look back. I was hysterical. Luckily my godmother, who is a pharmacist, was at home with my mum and she helped me and kept dipping my face in water and trying to calm me down until the police and ambulance got there.”

Miss Oni has no idea why anyone would attack her.

She faces months, if not years, of skin grafts and further plastic surgery and even then is likely to be left with severe facial scarring.

Miss Oni is the sole carer for her 52-year-old mother. They are too afraid to go back to their flat and are currently sleeping on a friend’s sofa-bed.

A Scotland Yard spokesman said acid attacks were “˜extremely rare” and that detectives were keeping an “˜open mind”.

They are going to get less and less rare.

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  1. says

    We ex-Muslims know that the cruel cult of Mohammedanism is a despicable fraud.

    >>>>>

    Should Women Respect Muhammad and His Islam?

    Muslims love to claim that Islam has granted women equal rights. Sadly, this is not true. The Qur’an states several times that women are to be granted less rights then those enjoyed by men.

    This article will examine the status of women and their rights according to Islam, as well as some of the many disgusting things that Muhammad said regarding women.

    The inherent oppression and degradation of women in Islam is abhorrent. For every good thing Muhammad’s Islam says about women, one can easily find a passage referring to women in the most unkindly of lights. Such is the reality of the fundamentally contradictory religion of Islam. One minute Islam is the perfect religion of peace and justice – the next it commands Muslims to maim, murder and subjugate others. Muslim women should learn the truth about Islam, and fast, if they truly care about their daughters and the future of women in general.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    In controversial verse 4:34 of the Qur’an, men are told to beat their disobedient wives after first warning them and then sending them to sleep in separate beds. This horrendous verse approves of and even sanctions, domestic abuse. As we shall see momentarily, Islamic theology also permits slavery and rape. No person of sound mind and good heart could believe that this is the wish of god. Islam is nothing more than the cult of a long dead, selfish little mad man named Muhammad ibn Abdullah.

    Qur’an, 4:34

    Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme.

    Here is an examination of how other translators render this controversial passage:

    Pickthall: “and scourge them”
    Yusuf Ali: “(And last) beat them (lightly)”
    Al-Hilali/Khan: “(and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful)”
    Shakir: “and beat them”
    Sher Ali: “and chastise them”
    Khalifa: “then you may (as a last alternative) beat them”
    Arberry: “and beat them”
    Rodwell: “and scourge them”
    Sale: “and chastise them”
    Asad: “then beat them”

    Hadith, Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Number 2142:

    Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab:
    The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife.

    The Qur’an permits men to marry up to four wives, and have sex with slave girls if they want to do so:

    004:003 “If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice”

    According to Muhammad and his Islam, a woman’s testimony is worth half that of a man’s:

    002:282 “Get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her”

    The Qur’an compares women to a field (tilth) that a man is free to use when, and as he chooses:

    002.223
    Your wives are a tilth for you, so go into your tilth when you like, and do good beforehand for yourselves, and be careful (of your duty) to Allah, and know that you will meet Him, and give good news to the believers.

    The Qur’an allows men to marry pre-pubescent girls, stipulating that Islamic divorce procedures shall apply to those who have not yet menstruated.

    065.004
    YUSUFALI: Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy.

    PICKTHAL: And for such of your women as despair of menstruation, if ye doubt, their period (of waiting) shall be three months, along with those who have it not. And for those with child, their period shall be till they bring forth their burden. And whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah, He maketh his course easy for him.

    SHAKIR: And (as for) those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, if you have a doubt, their prescribed time shall be three months, and of those too who have not had their courses; and (as for) the pregnant women, their prescribed time is that they lay down their burden; and whoever is careful of (his duty to) Allah He will make easy for him his affair.

    Hadith, Sahil Bukhari, Vol. 1, Book 6, No. 301:

    Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
    Once Allah’s Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o ‘Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, “O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women).” They asked, “Why is it so, O Allah’s Apostle ?” He replied, “You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you.” The women asked, “O Allah’s Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?” He said, “Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?” They replied in the affirmative. He said, “This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn’t it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?” The women replied in the affirmative. He said, “This is the deficiency in her religion.”

    Muhammad was a deranged con man who has betrayed women. Muhammad has betrayed all of mankind, in fact. Here is some more of what Muhammad said and did:

    Hadith, Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 460:

    Narrated Abu Huraira:
    Allah’s Apostle said, “If a husband calls his wife to his bed (i.e. to have sexual relation) and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning.”

    Hadith, Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3371:

    Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa’id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa’id, did you hear Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-‘azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi’l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing ‘azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah’s Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah’s Mes- senger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.

    “By him in Whose Hand lies my life, a woman can not carry out the right of her Lord, till she carries out the right of her husband. And if he asks her to surrender herself [to him for sexual intercourse] she should not refuse him even if she is on a camel’s saddle.” — Ibn Majah 1854

  2. says

    A Scotland Yard spokesman said acid attacks were “extremely rare’ and that detectives were keeping an “open mind’.

    An open mind about what?

  3. says

    This is the beauty of islam or rather it’s ugliness. Is Lisa wanganesse aware of this?
    how come this is a rare occurance among Buddhists, Hindus, Christians and other civilized religions? how come we see this mostly with the savage religion of Islam?

  4. says

    And if they ever catch the attacker, he will probably get off easy due to cultural adjustment issues. A British judge recently excused a Muslim man who raped a 13 year old for that reason. Meanwhile, they jail the heroic Tommy Robinson of the EDL over a technicality.
    The Islamic Republic of England is on its way.

  5. says

    Yes expect this to occur much more often and expect stores like Victoria’s Secret to be firebombed because muslims consider them to be haram.

    Islam is basically the inversion of Freedom. Everything we love they despise and vice versa. We like order and civility, they prefer violence and chaos. We love freedom, they love slavery, we believe in individual rights, they believe groups should dominate and so on.

    Since this poor woman was a functionary of spreading ‘immodesty’ and encouraging ‘promiscuity’, they felt she was a legitimate target. We’re all targets of muslims, just a matter of time before some other poor unsuspecting individual is splattered with acid again.

    I’ve said it before I’ll say it again, keeping muslims in you country comes at a high price.

  6. says

    Different virsons of this heinous and cruel act have been repeated many times because of the belief of some people in Islam. In spite of this reality much of the propaqanda of Islam make the claim that “Islam respect women.” Anyone who is willing to see the real truth is able to see. That such a claim is false claim and that among the many evils of this death cult is that Islam is a religion of misogyny.

  7. says

    Hey Scotland Yard,

    Interrogate all niqab-wearing ladies in vicinity and maybe you’ll find this democracy loving being…

    Eh, sure if you like to do so…

  8. says

    Great post, Saleem Smith …

    and like others have stated Ban the burqa!

    Oh, this picture is so hard to look, poor thing.

    Will the evil islamic madness never end? …it must!

  9. says

    where is that place that put out the new law: “women are FREE to dress as they choose, however, EVERY PROSTITUTE is required to wear the burga.”

    the next morning there was not a burqa to been seen.

    “Miss Oni is the sole carer for her 52-year-old mother.” fine child.

  10. says

    An unspeakable act. And this poor woman still has the pretty form of her facial features, despite the acid. A lot of Islam’s acid attack victims were even more unfortunate. Some jihadwatchers will perhaps recall the case of another very pretty woman who became the victim of an acid attack, but her face was deformed as a result. Some years later, she committed suicide. This acid throwing business is hell on earth. I hope someone informs on the cruel person who did this.

  11. says

    The BBC was running this poor woman’s story a few minutes ago. . Nary a mention of the niquab angle.
    And sadly, it was folllowed by a story about a company, foodproducer 3663 that is being lambasted for having pork products in food labelled ‘halal’ that was dished-up to muslim cons in UK prisons.

  12. says

    I observe that gunung semeru, above, besides being very vulgarly insulting toward Gravenimage, whom he has in another thread accused of being a liar, seems very anxious to play down *any* suggestion at all that this attack might have been carried out by a Muslim.

    Yes, non-Muslims carry out acid attacks; though it is not, I think, very common in *western* countries.

    However: this woman was an unislamically dressed woman out alone at night in a *heavily-Islamised* area of London. I think it more probable, under those circumstances, that a Muslim did it, than that a non-Muslim did it.

    One may note, by the by, that the fact that the attacker – whether male or female, Muslim or non-Muslim – wore the Slave Mask of Islam, is a very good argument for imposing a burqa and niqab ban.

    Because whether gunung semeru likes it or not, if there are a lot of Muslim females – or Muslim males in disguise – running around in the burqa, or in the niqab, which enables them to keep their faces off CCTV (very handy, that, if you want to commit a crime; and the most ‘devout’ cover their hands with gloves, as well; *also* very convenient if one wants to commit a crime, because of not leaving fingerprints) then non-Muslim criminals are going to see an opportunity, *as well*. So you will have both Muslims *and* non-Muslims wearing the Muslim female coverall in order to hide from the CCTV cameras and from the eyes of their victims and any possible witnesses.

    I wonder whether gunung semeru would agree with the imposition and strict enforcement – on grounds of public safety and greater ease of law enforcement – of a ban on the public wearing of all forms of the Muslim female face-covering, aka the Muslim female Slave Mask?

    I wonder whether gunung semeru would agree with the imposition of a ban on all further immigration of Muslims into Britain or into any other non-Muslim land, on the grounds that although non-Muslims as well as Muslims do commit occasional acid attacks, *Muslims* have a record of *all sorts of violent and islamically-motivated attacks*, attacks explicitly claimed to be in the interests of imposing and enforcing sharia standards of dress, on unislamically-dressed women, not only within the islamosphere but outside it? No non-Muslim woman should be asked to run the risk of becoming the victim of one of allah’s self-appointed Enforcers – whether on the beach or on the street or anywhere else.

    Personally motivated attacks carried out by, say, disgruntled abusive exes is one thing; attacks by the Sharia Assassins is quite another. We can protect against the latter by…ending Muslim immigration, and getting to work on finding ways of encouraging Muslims to *leave* the lands of the non-Muslims; and by cracking down like a ton of bricks, in the meantime, on all Muslim attempts to enforce the sharia by bullying, threats and physical violence.

    Here is a story from Geraldine Brooks’ book on Islam and women, ‘Nine Parts of Desire’, which describes the way in which Muslim males set about forcing non-Muslim women to conform to sharia norms of dress:

    In Chapter 8, ‘the getting of wisdom’, Brooks describes a visit she paid to the Islamic University of Gaza (she had to don a jalabiya to do so, her scarf and loose-fitting long-sleeved ankle-length dress were not considered Islamically-compliant enough).
    She is in the women’s cafeteria, talking to her guide/ minder:
    Geraldine observes that ‘driving from the huge military roadblock that divides the Gaza Strip from Israel, I hadn’t seen a single unveiled woman’.
    “There is no coercion”, said Majida. I gazed down at my dowdy serge sack. “Of course, we can impose it here, inside the university. But outside we don’t impose it.

    “The relationship is with God [sic: allah – dda] and each woman can decide for herself.

    Suure she has a choice: she can choose to be pelted with mud, dung, rocks, perhaps acid, maybe even bashed up, raped or murdered by Mohammedan males punishing her for her disobedience to sharia; or she can wear the Slave Rag – dda].

    “I sipped my Coke and said nothing.
    “I had been in the emergency room of a Gaza hospital when a young Palestinian [sic – Arab Chrisitan- dda] nurse came in, shaking, her uniform covered with brown stains.
    “‘It was the boys in the market”, she said. (That is: the Arab Muslim boys – dda). “They told me to cover my head. I told them I was Christian, but they said it didn’t matter. They said, ‘The Virgin Mary covered her head, so why not you?’ (Muslims like to use this BS ‘argument’ when trying to make Christian women wear Muslim-style coverup – dda).

    “They threw rotten fruit at me, **and told me next time it would be acid** {my emphasis – dda}”.

  13. says

    Gunung semeru’s articles about the sale of sexy lingerie in Muslim countries merely exposes the hypocrisy and doublethink of Islam.

    On the one hand, sharia enforcers in Islamised areas of Britain have defaced lingerie ads, and harassed unislamically-dressed women. On Australia’s Gold Coast, Muslim males have been known to threaten non-Muslim women who were in swimsuits, ordering them to cover up.

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/opinion/the-conrtroversial-ban-the-burka-debate-reaches-australian-shores/story-e6frereo-1225887202686

    “A retired newspaper editor tells me Muslim men patrol Gold Coast beaches demanding women in bikinis cover up.”

    (Though if you click on the link and read the rest of the article you will discover that some Aussies are un-dhimmi enough to be challenging the wearers of the Slave Rag, right back at ’em).

    Australian journalist Paul Sheehan describes the experience of a female friend in Sydney when her home suburb got Islamoformed:

    http://www.smh.com.au/news/paul-sheehan/ideals-become-casualties-of-war/2006/08/13/1155407666922.html

    “A friend of mine, Jenny D, used to live in Lakemba (now one of Sydney’s most heavily Islamised suburbs – dda).

    **She began receiving insults from people in the street, usually Muslim women wearing headscarves, and sometimes Muslim men. If she wore a short skirt, she could expect abuse or comment.** {my emphasis – dda}. She left Lakemba.”

    Just as Ms Oni, in the story under discussion, is going to leave Dagenham – heavily-Islamised Dagenham.

    And in Iraq the sharia-pushers have been known to *murder* women who were caught wearing makeup.

    On the other hand, we all know that rich Mohammedan males on the spree in London and Paris and elsewhere freely avail themselves of high-class local call girls.

    And when Geraldine Brooks went to interview some Hezbollah wives in a posh hotel in Lebanon, she found them lounging about en deshabille in diaphanous lingerie…with bodies ‘as hairless as barbie dolls’.

    The fact that, behind closed doors, some Muslim women wear sexy lingerie does *not* prove that a Muslim – male or female – would not attack a free non-Muslim woman who worked in a Victoria’s Secret store. Not in the least. And for all we know, some of the behijabbed Mohammedan Gang Molls who hissed and spat and swore at Paul Sheehan’s unislamically-dressed female friend when they saw her in what they regarded as ‘their’ territory – *her* home no longer – might have been wearing frilly knickers.

  14. says

    Further observation.

    gunung semeru claims that because one part of the Quran ‘speaks out against mutilation’ this means that a pious Muslim would not carry out acid attacks (since they scar/ alter the body).

    ???

    Doesn’t a heavy flogging, too, damage the body, permanently marking It? Yet the Sharia of Islam – derived from Quran, Sira and Hadith – commands flogging for certain offences.

    Doesn’t the Quran prescribe cutting off of thieves’ hands?

    Doesn’t the Quran prescribe thrashing your wife if you deem her likely to rebel?

    Doesn’t the Quran prescribe beheading, and cutting off of alternate hands and feet, as a punishment for spreading corruption in the earth?

    Mohammedanism doesn’t seem to have any qualms at all about the grossest mutilations of the body when it’s being meted out as *punishment*.

    Dismemberments, disembowelments, cutting out of tongues, cutting off of body parts (such as cutting off of women’s breasts), mutilation of genitals, burning (of the living or of the dead), all these things are very, very common wherever Muslims are carrying out attacks on non-Muslims…or busily torturing and killing *each other*. They cut out the tongues of Copts in order to suppress the Coptic language, back in the day. Just recently, mohammedthugs enforcing pure sharia in Mali told female singers that if they didn’t stop singing, their *tongues* would be cut out.

    Furthermore: all of Islam (copying Judaism) prescribes male circumcision – removal of the foreskin.

    Isn’t *that* ‘changing what allah has made’??

    And: of the four Sunni Muslim schools of Sharia, one teaches that the excision of the clitoris is ‘obligatory’ (just like removing the male foreskin), two other schools regard clitoral excision as desirable though not actually obligatory, and the fourth does not condemn or forbid the practice. Isn’t clitoral excision a bodily mutilation? All those pious Muslims in Egypt, Sudan, Ethiopia **and Indonesia** who perform various degrees of mutilation of the female genitals do not seem to find it in conflict with their Islamic beliefs; and there are plenty of Muslim ‘clerics’, in areas influenced by Shafiite sharia, who have openly and publicly *endorsed* FGM.

    Not to mention, too, that those same Hezbollah wives lounging about in their slinky nighties in a luxury hotel suite in Beirut told Ms Brooks that it was Islamically recommended – sunnah – for women to remove every last skerrick of body hair – armpit hair, pubic hair, every other bit of hair – from every part of their body from the neck down, every twenty days; and that men were encouraged to similarly depilate their entire bodies, neck to toe, every forty days. That’s modifying allah’s creation, too. Why would allah cause people to grow pubic hair and armpit hair – and chest hair, leg hair, back hair and arm hair – and then tell them they have to remove it all, all the time, so as to be as bare as babies..or Barbie dolls?

  15. says

    Two weeks ago, when Muslim patrols first appeared on the streets of London, I wrote the following in a discussion on Telegraph blogs:

    “If white lads behaved like that they would be arrested and locked up on any trumped up charge the police could think of. Nothing will be done about those Muslims, who are effectively above the law in this country. It won’t stop with haranguing either. How long before they start throwing acid in their faces, which is a popular pastime in their culture?
    If the police turn a blind eye to this, which they will as they’re terrified of being seen as insensitive, the mosquitoes (as Vlad Tepes called them) will move up to a more stringent level of enforcement. That’s how Islam has always worked; always pushing at the boundaries to impose itself wherever it can force its way in. I wonder what Cameron will do when they come to his street, which they will one day if they’re not stopped. I suspect he’ll grovel; it’s what he usually does.”

    Note the sentence, “how long before they start throwing acid in their faces, which is a popular pastime in their culture?”

    Prophetic? Hardly, anyone with half a brain could have predicted it, so why didn’t the police? This attack took place in Dagenham, an area that was purposefully flooded with Muslim immigrants by the authorities because the BNP had achieved some success in local elections. The Quisling LibLabCon establishment regard the BNP as racist neo-Nazis, so they would rather have Al Qaeda than the BNP ruling the streets.

    As the attacker was wearing a niqab he/she/it will not be found and this will tell every Muslim who wishes to impose sharia that wearing a niqab makes them unidentifiable and therefore able to do as they please. Muslims will not betray one of their own to the “filthy kuffar”, so the police will not find the culprit.

    The only sensible course of action would be to ban niqabs, but the dhimmi authorities would see that as “islamophobic” and “infringing Muslims’ human rights”. Under European human rights law only criminals and terrorists have rights. The idiotic judges would rule that the right of the attacker to wear a niqab so as to avoid identification overrules the right of the victim not to have acid thrown in her face. I know it’s insane, but common sense does not feature highly among the attributes of human rights lawyers.

  16. says

    You know this would be a great way to deal with the Muslim Sharia street enforcers, throw acid on their face whenever they tell you you’re in a muslim area or ‘cover up you white whore’ or ‘drinking is haram.’

    Actually I think this mafia cult should be dealt in the same way, they send one of us to the hospital, we send one of them to the morgue, like from the movie the Untouchables.

  17. says

    “Nothing is insulting about being called tight as a DA”

    Not insulting? Of course it’s insulting, and vile, too. If he made that crude remark face-to face-to a woman, then certainly she would give him hell for saying such a thing.

  18. says

    DDA wrote

    And then there’s your experience of cleaning college rooms after guests had stayed there over the summer vacation, and finding stashes of porn magazines, and discovering that it was the guests who were Arab Muslims who went in for the *really* nasty stuff.

    You forget to mention the stashes of porn magazines where most probaly produced by non muslims.

    It is the same as many CJM accuse muslims of animal sex, where as according to sharia, it is forbidden and punished with death,

    So google animal sex images, you will find it is produce by non muslims, and is even legal in Denmark

    Now the crux of the matter is you are quite right that data points are mounting up, and the picture of islam is not very nice.

    There are enough truthful facts, without trying to create unreliable facts, such as this article, I really would like to see the monster caught, and punished to the full extent of the law +some.

    If the culprit turns out to be a non muslim, it does not reflect good for the CJM.

    By classiffying every crime that is committed by muslims as jihad is only playing into the hands of the critics of the movement. I should imagine that allah, mohamemmed and islam it the last thing on a muslims mind when he is throwing acid, I can easily imagine that he shares the same evil thoughts as the non-muslim thrower.

    I just wish that those that oppose islam would learn what is purely Jihad activity and what is purely criminal activity.

    I see nobody attempts to answer my query

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/02/uk-woman-scarred-for-life-when-niqab-wearing-attacker-throws-acid-in-her-face.html#comment-929595

    Also if you notice I have quoted what could be the first recorded acid attack in recent history

    In a case that was followed widely, one of her tenants was a Cuban cigar importer named Augustine Dominguez who found his landlord “exceedingly good looking,” in the words of The Glens Falls Morning Star in 1896, which called Columbia Heights “the most fashionable street in Brooklyn.” She evicted him but he stalked her, walking up and down the block until she came out and he threw acid at her ” only her veil and upraised arms protected her face.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/02/realestate/brooklyn-heights-streetscapes-still-in-fashion-a-century-later.html?_r=3&

    More

    And another just recently

    As one of the primary caretakers of Jerome Lynch, 69, Darlene Lynch, 49, was checking on her father in his Brooklyn apartment early Saturday afternoon, when seemingly out of nowhere, the elder Lynch came up behind her and poured acid on her face and down her body, according to Dominique Goodwin, the man’s niece.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2012/09/02/us/new-york-acid-attack/index.html

    Notice that this ghastly crime could be attributed to New York USA,

    To reinforce that, I also recall that gangsters also used acid, we have the case Abraham Telvi a Jewish American mobster and hitman for New York labor racketeer Johnny Dio, known most notably for blinding crusading New York journalist Victor Riesel with acid.

  19. says

    Graven retorts

    And his characterizing horrors such as this acid attack as “crime” is also false and offensive.

    This attack is a very vile crime, it is a vicious premeditated crime intended to kill or maim, no matter the the motive, which today is not known.

    They has been a lot of coverage in the media later that the nijab make a good disguise and is perfect for hiding one identity, some it is logically that someone who to commit such a hideous crime would choose such a garb. We just do not know who the culprit was, wouldn’t it be better to wait and see if it was a muslim. You would look a right bigoted prat if it turns out it was not a muslim.

    ________________________________________________________________

    That was rather a nasty experience you had about your art workout

    Now here is story about one of my favourite artists.

    In the late fifties the great jazz musician Yusef Lateef received a portrait of himself from a painter named Abdul Mati. Lateef was portrayed as almost buried in a pile of exotic flowers, apparently enjoying himself with whatever he was doing. The artist waited for some time for any kind of response – but none came. Finally he decided to call the big man himself and as it turned out Mr. Lateef had liked the painting very much and asked Abdul Mati to come down to the Village Vanguard, where he was performing at the time. And so Mati did.

    – Across the top of the painting I’d written Original Portrait of the Great Yusef Lateef Hand Painted by Abdul Mati. After the gig we were supposed to discuss the future use of the painting as a record cover. So when the concert was over I went over to his table. I addressed him, he looked at me, but continued his discussion with the others at the table. So I addressed him again and introduced myself as the artist who’d sent him the portrait. Once again I was ignored and this time he didn’t even bother to look up…

    – Yusef Lateef doesn’t like white people and obviously he thought that a man called Abdul would be anything but white, Mati says and shrugs his shoulders a little dejectedly.

    Mati Klarwein was born in Hamburg, Germany, in 1932. Two years later, following Hitler’s coming into power, he fled with his parents to Palestine, now Israel.

    Lateef who was an Ahmadiyya Muslim did not know that Abul Matti was Jewish, so in this case we witness racism.

    Your case, yep, a clear case of Jihad.

    Just because muslim commits a crime does not always mean that the crime is motivated by Islam or jihad. Muslims can also be motivated to crime for exactly the same reasons as non muslims

    If islam is the motive for acid attacks, the what is the motive that motivate non muslims to also committed this hideous crime.

    BTW, My first encounter that started to open my eyes to islam, happened while I was driving on my way from Bali to home some where in Java.

    http://www.fica.org/persecution/10Oct96/chronology.html

    The do not mention that 8 brothels where also torched and the women beaten

    I had also been involved with several fights with islamists.

    But that is another story

    I have learnt to hate islam from what I have personally witnessed, also I have learnt that there are a lot of muslims who also detest the islamists, who have no problem of enforcing sharia with violence.

    Accusing a group of a serious crime without out evidence stinks of bigotry in my books

  20. says

    I am glad we have people like you and Robert who like to study the idealogy of this cult, Islam. I have no desire to know more about this Religion of Peace. However, with what I know and with what I see these “peace loving” muslims do, I can call this doctrine of Islam, EVIL. How can a normal person throw acid on the face of a human being and or an animal. This act is nothing but EVIL. And like Robert says we will see this more and more thanks to our ignorance. Time to fight back hard.

  21. says

    Yes I can agree with you 100% that Mohammedanism is a despicable fraud. But where in the koran does it condone acid attacks, or for that matter, mutilation of the body.

    In fact it speaks out against mutilation

    Qur’an 4:119-120

    “(Satan said), ‘I will lead them (mankind) astray and fill them with false hopes. I will command them and they will cut off cattle’s ears. I will command them and they will change Allah’s creation.’ Anyone who takes Satan as his protector in place of Allah has clearly lost everything. He makes promises to them and fills them with false hopes. But what Satan promises them is nothing but delusion.”

    As can be seen, the Satan pledges to make people change what Allah has originally created. The fact that Satan uses the Cattle’s ears as an example does not at all mean his scheming to change Allah’s creation will be limited to this. This is because Satan’s goal is to make people change what Allah originally creates, not the act of cutting off cattle’s ears which is only a means to the objective – he can take other means too. We know this from his statement, “I will command them and they will change Allah’s creation”, where “Allah’s creation” includes all things Allah creates, including brutal attacks against women

  22. says

    they won’t she wore a niqab, unless someone followed the attacked or cameras tracked her back home it’s a lost cause.

    This is why every infidel should have a gun or maybe a vial of acid of their own to get the psycho muslim perps back.

  23. says

    UK: Woman scarred for life when niqab-wearing attacker throws acid in her face
    ………………………..

    My God”this poor young woman. I was wondering how long it would take for this Muslim savagery to reach the civilized world”and now it has.

    More:

    The police will never find the assailant, of course. Everyone who wears a niqab looks exactly the same as everyone else wearing a niqab.
    ………………………..

    Yes. It can’t even be known whether this vicious attacker was a Muslimah enforcer of “morality”, or just a Muslim male dressed as a woman. Certainly, Muslim men have donned Niqabs and Burqas to rob the Kuffar and avoid identification many times.

    More:

    Also, while the motive for this attack isn’t known, many victims of acid attacks in Pakistan have been targeted for wearing Western dress, i.e., dressing “immodestly,” and are thus subjected to this cruel Sharia enforcement. In Kashmir, Muslims threatened to throw acid in the faces of women who didn’t wear the veil and used cellphones. Naomi Oni was doing both.
    ………………………..

    And moreover, she worked at a Victoria’s Secret shop. I *don’t* believe that this fact is an extraneous detail.

    Pious Muslims have railed at the selling of sexy lingerie many times before, and while there are hundreds of thousands of stores selling such items around the world, Victoria’s Secret has become synonymous with stylish underthings just as Starbucks has with upscale coffee drinks.

    More:

    Naomi Oni, 20, was walking home after finishing work at lingerie shop Victoria’s Secret when the woman, wearing a niqab – which reveals only the eyes – appeared and launched the apparently random attack.
    ………………………..

    As I noted, I don’t believe that there was *anything* random about the attack on Ms. Oni”except that it might have been on any attractive, unveiled young woman who dared to work at a shop selling “immodest” garments.

    More:

    “I’ve always been outgoing and confident – used to getting attention for the way I dress or my hair – but now I don’t want anyone looking at me…
    ………………………..

    And this is, of course”besides the terrible pain and possibility of causing blindness or even death”a major point of the whole attack.

    Naomi Oni was a lovely young woman who didn’t immure herself and hide her looks under the same Niqab that her attacker did”and so she had to be both punished and prevented from ever showing that beauty to anyone ever again.

    More:

    “I don’t know if I’ll ever be able to go back to my job.

    “I was planning to go to college in September to study media and fashion, but I don’t even know if I’ll be able to do that.’
    ………………………..

    Her attacker took away her livelihood and, probably, her vision for her future.

    More:

    It was around 12.40am, and she was just five minutes from the council flat she shares with her disabled mother…

    They are too afraid to go back to their flat and are currently sleeping on a friend’s sofa-bed.
    ………………………..

    For American readers, a “council flat” is similar to a housing project.

    I, for one, would like to know how many Muslims live in those same council flats. We cannot know for sure, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Ms. Oni was attacked by one of her Muslim “neighbors” who observed her going about unveiled and found out where she worked.

    The fact that the family is too frightened to return to their home no doubt means they suspect just that.

    That also means that these council flats are being turned into yet another “No Go” area”all at the expense of the British taxpayer.

    More:

    Miss Oni is the sole carer for her 52-year-old mother.
    ………………………..

    In Taliban ruled Afghanistan, women and children *literally starved* when women were banned from leaving the house and working, if there was no working male in the household.

    Think about what we have learned about Ms. Oni so far”from her name, she is likely of sub-saharan African heritage, she comes from a low income home, and has a disabled mum.

    She also worked, cared for her mother, supported the family, and had plans for going to school and starting a career.

    In other words, Ms. Oni sounds like just the sort of person from an immigrant background who is a good British citizen, and was poised to become an even better one.

    Instead, she has been attacked, maimed, and driven out of her home, while those who attacked her are still living there on the British taxpayer’s “dime”.

    Suicidal madness.

    More:

    A Scotland Yard spokesman said acid attacks were “extremely rare’ and that detectives were keeping an “open mind’.
    ………………………..

    Like Duh Swami, I have to ask, “an open mind *about what*”?

    This is very, very strange phrasing”he didn’t say that police were following up all leads, or anything of that sort.

    God help us, I hope Britain never develops an “open mind” about acid attacks, or Muslims will become even more savage than they are now. Just look at horror shows like Pakistan, and you can see what happens to a society that has an “open mind” about such barbarism.

  24. says

    For one bright moment you follow the advice of the police you open your mind with your comment.

    Yes. It can’t even be known whether this vicious attacker was a Muslimah enforcer of “morality”, or just a Muslim male dressed as a woman. Certainly, Muslim men have donned Niqabs and Burqas to rob the Kuffar and avoid identification many times.

    I would like to add that the attacker most probably a male, as who as every heard of a Niquab clad moslemah being allowed out alone, especially at night. Also the attacker need not even be muslim.

    The your mind becomes shut like a Ducks Arse, water tight.

    God help us, I hope Britain never develops an “open mind” about acid attacks, or Muslims will become even more savage than they are now. Just look at horror shows like Pakistan, and you can see what happens to a society that has an “open mind” about such barbarism.

    Acid attacks is nothing new, or committed only by muslims.

    USA

    In a case that was followed widely, one of her tenants was a Cuban cigar importer named Augustine Dominguez who found his landlord “exceedingly good looking,” in the words of The Glens Falls Morning Star in 1896, which called Columbia Heights “the most fashionable street in Brooklyn.” She evicted him but he stalked her, walking up and down the block until she came out and he threw acid at her ” only her veil and upraised arms protected her face.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/02/realestate/brooklyn-heights-streetscapes-still-in-fashion-a-century-later.html?_r=3&

    More

    As one of the primary caretakers of Jerome Lynch, 69, Darlene Lynch, 49, was checking on her father in his Brooklyn apartment early Saturday afternoon, when seemingly out of nowhere, the elder Lynch came up behind her and poured acid on her face and down her body, according to Dominique Goodwin, the man’s niece.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2012/09/02/us/new-york-acid-attack/index.html

    No acid attacks are not localised in Boston. Acid violence is a worldwide phenomenon

    Canada

    A judge will decide Friday whether to grant bail to Nikolas Stefanatos, arrested after Tanya St. Arnauld was doused with hot concrete cleaner following a violent argument the Montreal suburb of Longueuil.

    The 29-year-old hairdresser is being kept in an induced coma after suffering third-degree burns over much of her body following the weekend attack.

    http://www.edmontonsun.com/2012/08/29/brother-of-acid-attack-victim-says-accused-should-not-be-released

    India

    Sikh, Sonali Mukherjee is a woman from Dhanbad, India, whose face was permanently disfigured by an acid attack in 2003 when she was 18.

    In 2003, almost one and half months prior to the incident, three alleged assailants – Tapas Mitra, and his two friends Sanjay Paswan and Bhrahmadev Hajra – told her that she was a Ghamandi (arrogant) person and they would teach her a lesson. Her father later complained to the families of the three men. On 22 April, when she was asleep on the roof of her house, she was attacked with acid and left with a burnt face and other severe injuries. Her sister was also injured in the incident

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonali_Mukherjee

    Cambodia

    Cambodia. Located close to Vietnam, it reported approximately 100 acid attacks over a two year period. More than 95 percent of the country practices Buddhism with less than 2 percent Muslims.

    The face of Sokreun Mean, who was blinded and disfigured by an acid attack

    http://freethoughtblogs.com/taslima/files/2012/07/acid-attack-victim2.jpg

    Survivor of acid attack outside the Cambodian Acid Survivor Center where they work in Phnom Penh, Cambodia. Acid attack is a prevalent, and not illegal, act often committed in moments of marital jealousy or business competition. Acid is readily available and creates horrific and disabling burns if it doesn’t kill the victim.

    http://timmatsui.photoshelter.com/image/I0000cMb_yL581Wc

    Malaysia

    SHE felt as if her whole body was burning and was jolted out of her sleep.

    But when Tan Hui Linn, 18, opened her eyes, she could not see a thing.

    She heard her mother, Madam Cheong Swee Lin, 50, ask, “Why are you doing this?” but had no idea what was going on.

    Later, the schoolgirl found out that her own father had attacked her and her mother with acid while they were fast asleep………Tan Hui Linn, who was in Selangor for treatment, returned home to Penang on 31 Jan – the 100th day of her mum’s death – so that she could pay her respects and celebrate Chinese New Year with her relatives and friends.

    http://news.asiaone.com/News/The%2BNew%2BPaper/Story/A1Story20100209-197648.html

    Japan

    Hibari Misora

    On January 13, 1957, Misora was attacked with hydrochloric acid, and injured in Asakusa International Theater. The criminal was an overly enthusiastic fan of hers. Fortunately, the wound did not remain in her face.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibari_Misora

    Colombia

    A South American Spanish speaking country that recently reported up to 100 acid attacks a year. The country’s population is 95 percent Christian and less than 1 percent Muslim. So would you blame the Christian or the Spanish culture

    Maria Cuervo holds an old photograph of herself at her home in Bogota. Cuervo, 41, was burned with acid on March 8, 2004.

    http://i.usatoday.net/news/gallery/2012/n120307acid_attacks/04acid0307-pg-horizontal.jpg

    Nubia Espitia displays an old photograph of herself.

    http://i.usatoday.net/news/gallery/2012/n120307acid_attacks/02acid0307-pg-horizontal.jpg

    Nepal

    overty at home had forced Akriti Rai, 22, to move to Itahari to work. Santosh Rai, a soldier posted at the nearby Nepal Army barrack, fell in love with her and they got married.

    Six months later, Santosh, his first wife and sister poured acid on Akriti. Local Maoists rescued her and took her to the women’s rehabilitation centre, WOREC, in Biratnagar. The burns on her face had infected, and although she survived, Akriti is scarred for life.

    “My future is finished, but my husband and the others must be punished,” Akriti told a meeting in Biratnagar recently attended by the chief district officer, police chief, lawyers and doctors. The army said it would carry out an internal investigation, but Santosh has been recently discharged and his wife has been jailed pending investigation at the Sunsari District Jail. His sister has been freed on Rs 10,000 bail.

    http://freethoughtblogs.com/taslima/files/2012/07/acid-attack.jpg

    Zambia

    Muslims account for less than 1% of the total population of 11.26 million

    But Thomas suddenly appeared again.
    Fridah continued her story, “This time I gathered some courage and asked him what he wanted from me. I asked him to leave me alone. I also asked why he had not left, but he did not respond, instead he took that bottle wrapped in a black plastic bag and put it to high to his mouth, pretending to drink the stuff.”
    At this point in the interview Fridah went silent. It was a long pin-drop silence as tears begin to flow from the only eye she had left.
    “Suddenly, I felt a cold chill around my right ear down to my shoulder. This is before I realized what it was,” she said holding the tears back. “I thought it was cold water. I even asked him (Thomas), “Imwe finshi mwanjitila efi?” (What is this you’ve thrown at me?).
    “Before I knew it he splashed the rest of the contents on my left side and some of it went into my mouth,” Fridah continued methodically.
    “As you can see, I’ve lost one eye. I have no ear and part of my head will never grow hair. My neck and shoulder is also still being eaten by the acid. All the while Thomas was just looking and smiling at me. He bolted only when I started to scream.”

    http://womennewsnetwork.net/2009/08/19/zambiaacid815/2/

    Belgium

    Her lover did it. Richard Remes threw sulphuric acid on Patricia Lefranc. Her nose and eyelids were melted away, she lost sight in one eye and hearing in one ear, she also lost a finger. She came close to death, as the corrosive substance nearly burned through her heart and lungs.The horrific attack physically and emotionally scarred her for life. What was her crime? She ended her relationship with Richard Remes, a married man.

    http://freethoughtblogs.com/taslima/files/2012/07/images1.jpg

    UK

    Kate Elizabeth “Katie” Piper is a former model and television presenter from Andover, Hampshire in England, UK. Piper had hoped to have a full-time career in the media, but in March 2008 sulphuric acid was thrown in her face.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/assets/images/2009/10/28/091028131834_katie_piper_1.jpg

  25. says

    And moreover, she worked at a Victoria’s Secret shop. I *don’t* believe that this fact is an extraneous detail.

    Pious Muslims have railed at the selling of sexy lingerie many times before, and while there are hundreds of thousands of stores selling such items around the world, Victoria’s Secret has become synonymous with stylish underthings just as Starbucks has with upscale coffee drinks

    You really shows how much you do not know about muslims

    US lingerie brand Victoria’s Secret will open two new stores in the Gulf by August as it looks to capitalise on the region’s growing retail market, the firm’s franchise partner said.

    The glamorous line will launch a new outlet in the Kingdom Centre in Saudi Arabia’s capital Riyadh this weekend, followed by a store in Bahrain City Centre in August.

    Victoria’s Secret, part of US fashion chain Limitedbrands, has seven stores in retail hubs across the Gulf already, including three in Dubai, two in Kuwait and one in Qatar.

    The Doha store was unveiled this week as the first Victoria’s Secret outlet in the state.

    A spokesperson from franchise partner Kuwait-based Alshaya, which operates more than 55 international retail concepts and 750 stores in the region, said the firm had further openings in the pipeline, but declined to specify the locations.

    The company is the third American lingerie brand to announce its debut or expansion in the Middle East this year. Mid-range brand Baci last week said it planned to open 10 stores in the UAE alone by 2016 and may expand across the Gulf, under its partnership with Al Aini’s United Fashion House (UFH).

    In March, Frederick’s of Hollywood Group also announced a multi-year licensing agreement with Abu Dhabi-based Emirates Associated Business Group to operate 10 stores in six countries.

    In an interview with Arabian Business, Manda van Niekerk, general manager for UFH, said the Middle East’s lingerie market was proving increasingly lucrative for retailers.

    “Lingerie is really a good bet in the Middle East, it’s something that works,” she said.

    Statistics from research consultancy Euromonitor valued the regional market in $171m in 2010

    http://www.arabianbusiness.com/victoria-s-secret-opens-new-stores-in-saudi-bahrain-412662.html

    You should also check out womens underwear Syria

    Maid’s costumes, musicial negligee and remote-controlled underpants: You’d be surprised what you can find in a Damascus market. Syrian underwear is now so famous that it is exported throughout the Middle East — and Palestinian women, reportedly, have the wildest taste.

    It’s the “latest thing,” Abdullah Hayek says, holding the garment up. It’s an almost non-existent bra and thong, which consists of strings and a tiny triangle. It’s made, not of fabric, but of sugar fondant, which has been rolled out until it is wafer-thin, held together with elastic cords.

    “This allows the husband to nibble the underwear off of his wife’s body,” explains Hayek. The garment, which costs the equivalent of about €3 ($3.9), is available in a selection of flavors, including pineapple, apple, honey, chocolate and mango. “I probably sell 15 of them a day,” said Hayek.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/damascene-perversion-syria-s-underwear-sellers-peddle-sex-and-seduction-a-619610.html

    By the way, Victoria Secret is open a store here in Indonesia

  26. says

    DDA I observe that gunung semeru, above, besides being very vulgarly insulting toward Gravenimage, whom he has in another thread accused of being a liar.

    Nothing is insulting about being called tight as a DA, and in the other thread I called her a liar, quite a common jest in the area I spent part of my youth, Barking, which is not so far away from Dagenham. DDA fails to point out that Geaven grudgingly admits I was right

    seems very anxious to play down *any* suggestion at all that this attack might have been carried out by a Muslim.

    Yes, non-Muslims carry out acid attacks; though it is not, I think, very common in *western* countries.

    Here DDA is correct, but as I point out in my earlier comment, it is not a confined to muslims.

    However: this woman was an unislamically dressed woman out alone at night in a *heavily-Islamised* area of London. I think it more probable, under those circumstances, that a Muslim did it, than that a non-Muslim did it.

    DDA suggest in another thread, that ONI could be African, in fact she is a Nigerian Christian. Well, Nigerian Christians have been known to throw acid.

    The plight of Franca Ogbu Adima Paul, a female student of Modibbo Adama University of Technology, Yola, is one of the many recent cases of man’s inhumanity to a fellow human being.

    Franca was reading in the early hours of May 5, 2011 at the mechanical engineering block of the institution in preparation for examinations when concentrated acid was spilled on her face. Franca’s offence, according to reports of the university investigation panel on the matter, was that she turned down a request for friendship tendered by Nkire Bright Chibuzo, a final year student. While Franca remains deformed and in severe pains, Bright who was dismissed by the university is yet to be convicted for his crime.

    A female NYSC member, Onyinye Blessing Agu, was attacked with acid by her former boy friend. Onyinye, a self-acclaimed born-again Christian, decided in December 2010 to end the relationship she had with Ifeanyi Collins Ude. Two months later, Ifeanyi travelled from Enugu to Lagos where Onyinye was serving as a Youth Corp member. When Onyinye was seeing Ifeanyi off, the latter brought out a container from the plastic bag he was carrying, poured acid on Onyinye and ran away. The attack left the young Onyinye deformed. In a recent newspaper interview, Onyinye complained bitterly about the way police have been handling the case.

    Victims of acid-bath are attacked by perpetrators of the crime for various malicious reasons. In most cases in Nigeria, it occurs when a young girl or woman rejects a marriage proposal from a man. This explains why women are predominantly victims of this brutal crime of passion, even though incidences outside passion have also been recorded in the country. One such horrendous case involved a father in Nasarawa State who allegedly poured acid on his daughter on suspicious of her being a “witch”.

    http://allafrica.com/stories/201110060699.html

    Also the BBC reports,

    She told BBC London she was making her way home from work when the attack happened at about 00:40 GMT.

    “I got off the bus stop of my house and was about to cross the road, I felt a presence behind me so I decided to look back.

    “I saw what seemed to be a lady wearing what I think is a hijab (sic), which was mostly black.

    “I remember being startled and shocked, thinking ‘I don’t remember her getting off the bus with me, I didn’t hear footsteps behind me’.

    “The person was just staring back at me.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-21305223

    We have no evidence as to who committed this hideous crime so it is far to early to assume it was muslims..or Nigerian Christian..or local skinheads. It is too earlier to say, that is why it is better to keep an open mind.

    The only thing we can draw from this is it is time for the “as you call” slave rag to be banned, and I agree with this 100% it should be banned.

    As for a total stop to immigration, that is a tough call,it would be easier to kick out all clerics and islamist, as these are the one that create the islamic ghetto,s. And no more mosques.

    DDA wrote

    Gunung semeru’s articles about the sale of sexy lingerie in Muslim countries merely exposes the hypocrisy and doublethink of Islam.

    That is why I partly submitted it, If Graven lived among muslims then she would be aware of this hypocrisy, instead of claiming Victoria Secret was a target of islamist wrath, what the islamist get all huffed about is seeing wild slutty women, both in the flesh and in print.

  27. says

    Note the sentence, “how long before they start throwing acid in their faces, which is a popular pastime in their culture?”

    A few things

    # 1 Have you any evidence that it was a muslim that threw the acid.

    # 2 How acid attacks have there been in the UK where muslims have been involved

    # 3 Yep it also seem a popular pastime for Buddhists

    http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/u1x4LQlWT9o/Acid+Violence+Growing+Threat+Cambodia/d0BzWqsdh0N/Sokreun+Mean

    Minds are like parachutes; they work best when open. -Lord Thomas Dewer

  28. says

    Apologist for Islamic brutality Gunung Seeru wrote:

    For one bright moment you follow the advice of the police you open your mind with your comment.

    Yes. It can’t even be known whether this vicious attacker was a Muslimah enforcer of “morality”, or just a Muslim male dressed as a woman. Certainly, Muslim men have donned Niqabs and Burqas to rob the Kuffar and avoid identification many times.

    I would like to add that the attacker most probably a male, as who as every heard of a Niquab clad moslemah being allowed out alone, especially at night. Also the attacker need not even be muslim.
    …………………………..

    Why not “open your mind” even further? It might have been a robot…or a trained animal…or a figment of Ms. Oni’s imagination….why, it could have been anything at all…sarc/off

    More:

    The your mind becomes shut like a Ducks Arse, water tight.
    …………………………..

    Good to see that Gunung Semeru is “keeping it classy”…sarc/off

    More:

    God help us, I hope Britain never develops an “open mind” about acid attacks, or Muslims will become even more savage than they are now. Just look at horror shows like Pakistan, and you can see what happens to a society that has an “open mind” about such barbarism.

    Acid attacks is nothing new, or committed only by muslims.
    …………………………..

    Well, of course this is true.

    But acid attacks are most common in Muslim countries such as Pakistan and Muslim-majority areas of India.

    This, from an article on the documentary “Saving Face”, about a doctor from the UK who makes humanitarian trips to Pakistan to perform reconstructive surgery on acid attack victims:

    “In Pakistan, acid attacks are justified as a method of punishment doled out by husbands who seek to ‘restore their honour’; they do so by disfiguring their wives who, they claim, have brought ‘dishonour’ to the family.”

    Classic violence in the name of Islam.

    http://www.abudhabifilmfestival.ae/en/program/inside-adff/2012/defaced-honour

    Probably the most famous victim of an acid attack was Fakhra Younus, a Pakistani woman who committed suicide after undergoing over thirty reconstructive surgeries. Notably, it was an Infidel nation”Italy”that aided Ms. Younus”not any Muslim country.

    You can see here how many acid attacks are Islamically motivated:

    http://freethoughtblogs.com/taslima/2012/07/14/our-men-throw-acid-in-our-faces-destroy-our-lives-but-we-never-stop-loving-men/

    This Tu Quoque does nothing to change that.

    More:

    And moreover, she worked at a Victoria’s Secret shop. I *don’t* believe that this fact is an extraneous detail.

    Pious Muslims have railed at the selling of sexy lingerie many times before, and while there are hundreds of thousands of stores selling such items around the world, Victoria’s Secret has become synonymous with stylish underthings just as Starbucks has with upscale coffee drinks

    You really shows how much you do not know about muslims

    US lingerie brand Victoria’s Secret will open two new stores in the Gulf…
    …………………………..

    What idiocy”of course I’m familiar with this phenomenon. I’m also familiar with the constant threats from pious Muslims re the existence of such shops.

    It is just a couple of weeks away from Valentine’s Day, and we can expect the obligatory tedious Fatwas and threats against the selling of not just racy underthings, but even cards, roses, and red balloons.

    As Dumbledore’s Army notes, Muslims have a long and ugly history of defacing swimsuit and lingerie ads, and an even longer and uglier history of assaulting unveiled women, which dates to the earliest days of Islam.

    The fact is that Islam is *extremely* schizophrenic about such matters, imposing Purdah on women, and yet envisioning “Paradise” as a tawdry brothel in the sky.

    This results in Muslim men who are both extremely prudish and ready to punish women for any “immodesty”, and who are at the same time both over-sexed and on the alert for any woman that they be able to lawfully assault. Both of these aspects of Islam lead to appalling violence against women.

    More:

    Yes I can agree with you 100% that Mohammedanism is a despicable fraud. But where in the koran does it condone acid attacks, or for that matter, mutilation of the body.

    In fact it speaks out against mutilation
    …………………………..

    Well, this is just grimly hilarious.

    The appalling “Prophet” himself mutilated his victims”he amputated the hands and feet of some camel thieves, and also blinded them.

    Amputating the hands and feet of thieves is canonical Shari’ah, as is stoning. Do you believe that stoning doesn’t mutilates its victims?

    And, as DDA notes, FGM is a horrifying form of mutilation that is absolutely the norm in many parts of Dar-al-Islam. An estimated *95%* of women in Egypt are mutilated.

    That sounds like “changing Allah’s creation” to me.

    More:

    We know this from his statement, “I will command them and they will change Allah’s creation”, where “Allah’s creation” includes all things Allah creates, including brutal attacks against women
    …………………………..

    Well, Islam is absolutely rife with brutal attacks against women”including wife beating, which is explicitly condoned in the Qur’an. Gunung Semeru better get right on convincing Muslims that this is “un-Islamic”. sarc/off

    More:

    DDA I observe that gunung semeru, above, besides being very vulgarly insulting toward Gravenimage, whom he has in another thread accused of being a liar.

    Nothing is insulting about being called tight as a DA, and in the other thread I called her a liar, quite a common jest in the area I spent part of my youth, Barking, which is not so far away from Dagenham. DDA fails to point out that Geaven (sic) grudgingly admits I was right
    …………………………..

    What Gunung Semeru is referring to is his apologia for Muslim Malaysian authorities who have seized, held, and desecrated Christian Bibles. Those same authorities threatened to destroy some of the Bibles, including a state minister who announced that they should be burned. I had believed that some of the Bibles had been destroyed, but could find no specific reference to state destruction. I acknowledged this.

    Gunung Semeru is fine with state religious oppression, theft, desecration, and the threat of property destruction”but sticks at any possible calumny of these upstanding Mohammedans.

    Heaven forefend!

    In fact, that seems to be Gunung Semeru’s main purpose here”whitewashing Islam. His suggestion that this attack was likely carried out by Niqab-wearing “skinheads” just shows how willing he is to grasp at straws in his defense of Islam.

    He claims not to be Muslim, but this sort of consistent Muslim apologia taken to the most implausible extremes is extremely odd in an Infidel.

    I had assumed that he might be so cowed by Islam at home in Indonesia that he felt compelled to defend that vile creed”but now he claims that he spent at least part of his youth in a (heavily Islamized) part of England.

    It appears that he picked up nothing from his time in a Western nation but some “colorful” insults”certainly, he didn’t pick up any civilized Western values.

  29. says

    Gunung Semeru wrote:

    So I think we can agree on one thing here, Taslima Nasreen,s sight is excellent.

    But here you expose yourself to be close minded, Taslima is not blaming muslims, she is blaming the real culprits, Men.
    …………………..

    Just as most acid attacks are by Muslims, most acid attacks are, indeed, carried out by men.

    But not all of them.

    Parents”including females”have attacked their children. Mothers-in-law have attacked their daughters-in-law.

    Here’s one such story:

    “Parents kill teenage daughter in acid attack in Kashmir”

    Mother and father in Pakistan doused 15-year-old In acid after catching her talking to a man, police say.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/9649232/Parents-kill-teenage-daughter-in-acid-attack-in-Kashmir.html

    So”why aren’t you assailing Taslima Nasreen for being “close-minded?

    But there’s a more darkly comic aspect to Gunung Semaru’s choosing Taslima Nasreen’s work to indicate that Islam is not a particular threat.

    And that is that Taslima Nasreen *herself* is a famous victim of violent, supremacist Islam.

    She was brought up on blasphemy charges in her native Bangladesh, and has received hundreds of death threats from pious Muslims.

    After fleeing Bangladesh in 1994, she at one point had to go into hiding in India when she was again threatened by violent Muslims.

    She was finally given refuge by Infidel Sweden, and now holds Swedish citizenship.

    She lived for a time again in India, but has been denied citizenship there due to that country’s large, “restive” Muslim population. She was attacked by a Muslim mob in 2007. Even though she was the victim, Kolkata expelled her.

    The “All India Muslim Personal Board (Jadeed)” has offered 500,000 rupees for her beheading.

    Really, you’re going to have to try harder if you’re going to attempt to whitewash the horror of Islam.

  30. says

    So I think we can agree on one thing here, Taslima Nasreen,s sight is excellent.

    But here you expose yourself to be close minded, Taslima is not blaming muslims, she is blaming the real culprits, Men.

    Just look at the title of her article

    Our men throw acid in our faces, destroy our lives but we never stop loving men. Warning: Violent images

    Men from Buddhist Cambodia

    Men from Christian Ethopia

    Men from Christian Zambia

    Men from Hindu Nepal

    Men from the Sikh community India

    Men from the Hindu community BanglaDesh

  31. says

    “# 1 Have you any evidence that it was a muslim that threw the acid.
    # 2 How acid attacks have there been in the UK where muslims have been involved
    # 3 Yep it also seem a popular pastime for Buddhists”

    1. I think the fact that the attacker was wearing a niqab might be a bit of a clue. I don’t know what it’s like where you live but in Britain only Muslims are in the habit of wearing niqabs. Since the gender of the perpetrator cannot be determined as they were concealed within a black tent I feel the gender neutral pronoun it should be used.

    2. Did I say there had been acid attacks in the UK? If you had read my piece you would have realised that I had predicted that the aggressive patrols accosting people on the street would escalate into acid attacks. That is exactly what has happened here. I will now make another prediction. This will not be the only such attack. There will be others, most likely in London but perhaps elsewhere where there are large Muslim communities. Just as the gang rapes spread, so will these attacks. Acid attacks are common in Pakistan, which is where the largest number of Britain’s Muslims come from.

    3. So acid attacks have also happened in Cambodia. Perhaps they got the idea from the aggressive Muslims in Malaysia and Thailand. Unlike Islam, Buddhism does not tell its followers that all non-Buddhists must be subjugated, enslaved or killed. It does not say they are all sub-human “kuffar”. It does not say that Buddhism must always dominate, and never be dominated. It does not teach that women are mentally deficient, that Jews are apes and pigs, and that homosexuals must be killed. It does not encourage the rape of nine year old girls, or endorse the practise of slavery.

    Are you getting the picture? Buddhism is a peaceful creed that teaches people to find inner harmony and achieve nirvana by doing good works. Islam is a psychotic death cult that aims to conquer the world and drag it into a new Dark Age.

  32. says

    Graven

    So”why aren’t you assailing Taslima Nasreen for being “close-minded?

    Well to quote Graven

    “Taslima Nasreen *herself* is a famous victim of violent, supremacist Islam”

    I know who exactly who Taslima is, and know how badly she has be persecuted by the islamist,s, what is so remarkable about the woman, she can write an article that illustrates that acid attacks are committed by people of all faiths. Even though she has every reason to have a gripe at muslims/islam, she does not mention any faith is to blame. Not a single mention of Buddhism, Christianity Hinduism or islam.

    Yes Taslima has first hand experience of the negative effects of islam, yet she can keep an open mind and write a very balanced article.

    Where as I assume the closest Graven has come to islam is through the articles in this blog and a few other CJM blogs, I also assume, that has never experienced islam first hand.

    What a difference between the to women, Taslima despite suffering because of islam can write an article without blaming any faith, despite she has plenty to gripe about the treatment, and blame islam. Yet Graven with no real experience of muslim/islam refuse to see that acid attacks is not confined to to islam, but committed by evil monster of all faith.

    The only gripe I have with Taslimas article is the image she used for Zambia, it was gruesome, but it was art work, not of a real inncident.

    But there’s a more darkly comic aspect to Gunung Semaru’s choosing Taslima Nasreen’s work to indicate that Islam is not a particular threat.

    There was nothing comic about choosing Taslima,s work. I chose it because I respect her work, also she is very much respected by many. Also I chose her work to illustrate an open mind, compared to a closed mind, yours.

    Also where have I stated that islam is not a threat.

    BTW, you must have left England at a very early age, as to not know that tight as a DA is usually used as a humorous Jest.

    This was one of my father’s set phrases, and he was born in 1913 (in the UK). It’s been around for a while, then.

    This is one of a family of phrases which deliberately pun on multiple meanings of a word, and whilst appearing to refer to tight meaning watertight, I know this phrase as meaning “mean or miserly” – it’s most common usage.

    But it is also currently used, it seems, in the sense of “having your act together”, as in “that band we saw last night was as tight as a duck’s arse”.

    I used it in the context that your mind is closed, “water tight”.

    Well thankfully I did not lose my english sense of humour which you apparently have done.

  33. says

    Gunung Semeru wrote:

    Graven
    …………………

    Why does every apologist for Islamic savagery here insist on calling me “Graven”, as though they were my best pal?

    More:

    Where as I assume the closest Graven has come to islam is through the articles in this blog and a few other CJM blogs, I also assume, that has never experienced islam first hand.
    …………………

    Actually, this is not so. I went to college with Ambassador Chris Stevens”we were at the History Department of the University of California at Berkeley at the same time as undergraduates. He was slaughtered by a Muslim mob in Libya late last year.

    Oakland journalist Chauncey Bailey frequently covered events at the Oakland Library when he wrote for the Oakland Tribune newspaper. I spoke with him several times at library events. He shook my hand and his crew photographed me when I was awarded Oakland volunteer of the year back in the 1990s.

    He was gunned down in 2007 by Your Black Muslim Bakery thugs because of the investigative work he had done on this vile offshoot of the Nation of Islam.

    And then, I was a good acquaintance of Mike Wills, who was a barista at De Bartolo’s Cafe in the Grand Lake District in Oakland. He’d come out onto the patio while taking cigarette breaks and see what new artwork I was working on. I’d often run into him and his girlfriend around the neighborhood.

    His girlfriend often chided him about his smoking habit, and said it would be the death of him. Well, it was”but not in the way anyone would have thought. He went out for cigarettes one night in 2007 and was brutally murdered.

    It wasn’t until some time later that we learned that his killers were the same pious Muslim who would assassinate Chauncey Bailey the following month.

    Really, this is astonishing”the West coast of the United States doesn’t have a large Muslim population compared with many other places in the world”and yet, I personally know three people who were horribly slaughtered by members of the “religion of peace”.

    At the same time, the above is of less direct import than it might seem.

    What Gunung Semeru is positing is a moral canard”the idea that one cannot in good conscience stand against evil unless one has experienced it personally.

    Firstly, this completely ignores the role of empathy in human ethics”the very fact that one can care for people whose experiences may be quite different from one’s own. This is the essence of the Golden Rule.

    Further”and more concretely”in asserting that only the powerless victims of Islam be allowed to speak against it, it would virtually ensure that that victimization *continue* unchecked.

    All the horrors of Islam reported at Jihad Watch are completely factual. There is *no* whitewashing this endless evil.

    More:

    What a difference between the to women, Taslima despite suffering because of islam can write an article without blaming any faith…
    …………………

    Well, this is just bizarre, as though the yardstick of goodness was to “speak no evil” of”well”evil.

    Using that same construct, anyone who spoke out against, say, Hitler and the Nazis would be considered a moral failure compared with someone who refrained from saying anything negative about Fascism.

    But”moreover”this construct is entirely false concerning Taslima Nasrin herself. The idea that she herself has never criticized Islam is just absurd.

    Here’s an article whose entire content bemoans Nasrin’s daring to speak negatively about Islam:

    http://muslimvoices.org/women-in-islam-taslima-nasrin/

    More:

    Also where have I stated that islam is not a threat.
    …………………

    The only times you have weighed in here at Jihad Watch is to whitewash Islam or minimize its threat. That is, in fact, *exactly* what you are attempting to do on this thread.

    More:

    BTW, you must have left England at a very early age, as to not know that tight as a DA is usually used as a humorous Jest.

    This was one of my father’s set phrases, and he was born in 1913 (in the UK). It’s been around for a while, then.

    This is one of a family of phrases which deliberately pun on multiple meanings of a word, and whilst appearing to refer to tight meaning watertight, I know this phrase as meaning “mean or miserly” – it’s most common usage.

    But it is also currently used, it seems, in the sense of “having your act together”, as in “that band we saw last night was as tight as a duck’s arse”.

    I used it in the context that your mind is closed, “water tight”.

    Well thankfully I did not lose my english sense of humour which you apparently have done.
    …………………

    Actually, while my mother is English, I have never lived there myself.

    I’m quite familiar with this phrase, nonetheless.

    But your implication that the essence of Britishness is a crude sense of humor is bizarre, and shows that you understand *nothing* about the core values of the free West.

    No wonder you are a soft apologist for barbarism.

  34. says

    Graven, Just as I assumed, you have only second hand experience of muslims/islam.

    You knew Chris Stevens, many years ago, so your claim to first hand experience of islam is very weak. I assume that most probably you learnt of his death either on this site or the media.

    The same for Chauncey Bailey and Mike Willis, you most likely heard of there deaths through the media.

    There is no debating that the slaughter of Chris Stevens was an act of Jihad.

    The question arises about the murder of Chauncey Bailey and Mike Willis, where they murdered because of Jihad or gangsterism.

    Graven only tells us the where murdered, no details.

    Chauncey Bailey was shot and killed while working on a story about the finances of Your Black Muslim Bakery, involving its pending bankruptcy. After the shooting the Post publisher Paul Cobb revealed on television that, prior to Bailey’s killing, Cobb had withheld from publication a story that Bailey had written earlier, saying only that it was about “things like” what happened to Bailey. He later stated that the police had asked him not to reveal anything about the matter. On August 6, 2007 a former employee of the bakery, Ali Saleem Bey, who is not a relative of the bakery’s owner, but who adopted the Bey name, revealed that he was Bailey’s source for the withheld story, which the Post had decided was not ready for publication. Bailey had asked Bey to give him the story.

    According to Ali Bey, the bakery business had been seized from its rightful heirs in a coup through fraud and forgery, by a ruthless, younger branch of the family, beginning with Antar Bey and culminating with the current chief executive officer,

    Yusuf Bey IV. Ali revealed that in June 2005, John Bey, the former head of the Bey security service, was driven out of town with his family after an attempt on his life in a shooting outside his home. John had tried to expose the fraud behind the coup. In 2005, Antar Bey mortgaged the bakery property, to cover back taxes and other debt, and then defaulted, which led to threat of foreclosure.

    An attorney for the Post also confirmed that Bailey had been working on the story about the “financial status of the organization” and including the possibly criminal “activities of a number of people who were working in the organization”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chauncey_Bailey

    The Murders of Chauncey Bailey and Mike Willis, where murdered because of gangsterism and racism

    The name “Your Black Muslim Bakery” suggests this is a islamic set up, but The phrase Black Muslims may describe any black people who are Muslim, but historically it has been specifically used to refer to African-American Black nationalist organizations that describe themselves as Muslim. Some of these groups are not considered to be Muslim within mainstream Islam.

    Such as the Nation of Islam (NOI) which is more to do with racism, black supremacism and anti-semitism, yep, more like the black mans Klu Klux Klan.

    Graven along with many here cannot tell the difference between crime and jihad, there are many crime committed by muslim that have nothing to do with islam or jihad. Such as the subject of this thread.

    Just because the victim says the monster wore a nijab, every body here assumes the monster was a muslim. The culprit has not been caught, so how do people here know for sure that muslim was involved. The only thing that is sure is a nijab was used, and adds to the argument that it should be banned.

  35. says

    Gravenimage

    you could also have mentioned the stories you heard from your Jewish friend who worked in Israel to help welcome and orient the severely-traumatised Jews who’d been rescued from Yemen: Jews who had lived under the full horror of dhimmitude.

    And your own experience of Muslims (students) complaining about your innocent artwork that you’d been allowed to display in a university college, when you were just a student; and that as a result of their whining and squawking, the pictures were taken down – whether by the Muslims themselves or by someone inept acting at their behest – and **damaged** in the process.

    And then there’s your experience of cleaning college rooms after guests had stayed there over the summer vacation, and finding stashes of porn magazines, and discovering that it was the guests who were Arab Muslims who went in for the *really* nasty stuff.

    Data points, data points, data points, adding up one by one by one.

    Data points that all ‘fit’ with – and, indeed, are further illuminated by – the picture of Islam that emerges both from Islamic history and from the Islamic texts.

  36. says

    Gunung Semeru wrote:

    Graven, Just as I assumed, you have only second hand experience of muslims/islam.

    You knew Chris Stevens, many years ago, so your claim to first hand experience of islam is very weak. I assume that most probably you learnt of his death either on this site or the media.

    The same for Chauncey Bailey and Mike Willis, you most likely heard of there deaths through the media.
    ………………………..

    Actually, no. While I heard about Chris Steven’s slaughter from cable news and Chauncey Bailey’s assassination from local newsradio”he was gunned down less than a mile from my home”I heard about Mike’s killing in a wholly different manner.

    I went to have coffee, and found the cafe’s owner, John di Bartolo, behind the counter. He’d clearly been crying, and he told me about Mike’s murder.

    More:

    There is no debating that the slaughter of Chris Stevens was an act of Jihad.

    The question arises about the murder of Chauncey Bailey and Mike Willis, where they murdered because of Jihad or gangsterism.
    ………………………..

    What crap. While the Nation of Islam and its spinoffs are not orthodox Islam, they are Islam in every way that counts for threatened Infidels.

    Your Black Muslim Bakery was involved in violent power struggles, murder of its critics, murder of unbelievers, murder of apostates, the kidnapping and torture of Christians who were believed to have won a church lottery, polygamy, the systematic raping and impregnation of underage girls, and virtual slavery.

    In other words, they followed the model of the loathsome “Prophet” as faithfully as possible in an Infidel land.

    By your “reasoning”, someone killed by Shi’ites would not be considered a victim of Islam. Bullsh*t.

    The Nation of Islam is a threat in just the way that more canonical strains of Islam are.

    Chauncey Bailey was assassinate for his investigations, which were held to make Islam look bad.

    Mike Wills was killed because he was an unbeliever, and because he was white.

    Before you make too much of this last, recall that ethnic and tribal minorities are slaughtered in the name of Islam all the time. See the oppression and murder of the Berbers in the Mahgreb, the Chinese in Indonesia, and the Hazara in Afghanistan.

  37. says

    Dumbledore’s Army wrote:

    Gravenimage

    you could also have mentioned the stories you heard from your Jewish friend who worked in Israel to help welcome and orient the severely-traumatised Jews who’d been rescued from Yemen: Jews who had lived under the full horror of dhimmitude.

    And your own experience of Muslims (students) complaining about your innocent artwork that you’d been allowed to display in a university college
    ……………………….

    True, Dumbledore’s Army.

    I had assumed he wouldn’t consider the first story to be personal experience, nor the second one violent enough.

    Here is my all-too-personal experience with Muslim censorship and crushing of freedom of speech:

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2006/09/islamic-group-threatens-to-physically-resist-music-classes-at-punjab-university.html#comment-183429

    But, as I noted, Gunung Semeru’s insistence that no one be allowed to speak out against the savagery of Islam save for those who have been directly on its receiving end is grotesque and utterly false.

    And his characterizing horrors such as this acid attack as “crime” is also false and offensive. Unless it turns out that this poor girl was attacked by an ex-boyfriend or something, it is hard to imagine how this can be characterized as just crime.

    It’s not as though she were shot during a robbery attempt.

    There is every reason to believe that this is exactly what it looks like”an attack on an Infidel woman who dared be so “immodest” as to go about unveiled and work in a Victoria’s Secret shop.