Worcester bishop: "Spencer’s talk about extreme, militant Islamists...might undercut the positive achievements that we Catholics have attained in our inter-religious dialogue with devout Muslims"

Bishop Robert McManus of Worcester, Massachusetts canceled my scheduled address to this Catholic Men's Conference on March 16 after pressure from an Islamic supremacist who is an open "friend and supporter" of a convicted jihad terrorist. In the letter below, he justifies his action; my comments are interspersed.

Bishop McManus called me last Wednesday morning, but it was a wrong number: he was calling someone named "Steve" and somehow dialed my number by mistake. I seized the opportunity, told him who I was, and asked for a face-to-face meeting (which I have previously requested in a phone message to his office and in emails to him, his secretary, and his spokesman). He said he was in the airport in Dallas and would call me back; he never did, and up to this point I have not received the courtesy of any kind of reply from anyone to my requests for a meeting.

Here is the petition that is circulating asking Bishop McManus to allow me to speak after all.


"Catholic Men’s Conference opens ticket sales," from Catholic Free Press, February 8 (thanks to Tom):

Bishop shares concerns about conference speaker

My dear friends in Christ,

It is fitting that as the universal Church celebrates the fiftieth anniversary of the opening of the Second Vatican Council, I as your bishop, who am called to work to implement authentically the teachings of this historic council, should reflect on the various documents of this momentous Church event.

In light of my recent decision to rescind the invitation to Mr. Robert Spencer to speak at the Catholic Men’s Conference next month on the topic of Islam in its relation to Christianity, I should like to reflect briefly on the conciliar document entitled, The Dogmatic Constitution on the Church (Lumen Gentium), specifically on paragraph 16 of Chapter 2 which speaks about the special relationship that Christianity has to Islam. The paragraph states, “But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place among these are the Muslims who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind.” (LG. #16)”

It is indeed important to "reflect" on what that text means. I do so at length in my book Not Peace But A Sword, which will be published March 25 by Catholic Answers. Does it mean that we are not to speak about the theological difference between Christianity and Islam, or about the Qur'anic roots of Muslim persecution of Christians, or related issues? I don't think so. Bishop McManus says below that it means that Catholics should engage in "inter-religious dialogue with Muslims." Fine. Should that dialogue proceed on the basis of ignoring unpleasant truths, or of discussing them, respectfully and openly?

As a result of such a theologically salient statement, the Catholic Church has engaged herself in inter-religious dialogue with Muslims. This dialogue has produced a harvest of mutual respect, understanding and cooperation throughout the world and here in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.

"A harvest of mutual respect, understanding and cooperation throughout the world"? I wonder if the bishop would be so kind as to provide even one example of where inter-religious dialogue between the Catholic Church and Muslims has "produced a harvest of mutual respect, understanding and cooperation." Sure, the Muslim leaders in Massachusetts assure him of their good will -- but remember, in canceling my appearance he is catering to the demands of a "friend and supporter" of a convicted jihad terrorist.

And meanwhile, here is that harvest of mutual respect, understanding and cooperation throughout the world over the last few days:

Syria: Jihadist rebels loot Christian church, homes

Libya: Muslims threaten nuns, force them to leave the country

Iran sentences U.S. pastor to eight years prison for threatening Iran's "national security" by leading Christian house churches

Egypt: Anti-Christian hostility heats up amid unrest

Turkey: 85-year-old Christian woman repeatedly stabbed, cross carved onto her corpse

All this is over just the last few weeks. And there is much, much more, as a quick perusal of the Jihad Watch archives will reveal. But let's imagine for the sake of argument that Roman Catholics elsewhere are indeed reaping a "harvest of mutual respect, understanding and cooperation throughout the world" from their dialogue with Muslims. Would that dialogue not be more fruitful if it actually discussed real difficulties between Christians and Muslims, the root causes of those difficulties, and ways to remedy them?

My decision to ask Mr. Spencer not to speak at the Men’s Conference resulted from a concern voiced by members of the Islamic community in Massachusetts, a concern that I came to share. That concern was that Mr. Spencer’s talk about extreme, militant Islamists and the atrocities that they have perpetrated globally might undercut the positive achievements that we Catholics have attained in our inter-religious dialogue with devout Muslims and possibly generate suspicion and even fear of people who practice piously the religion of Islam.

Nota bene: He never asked me not to speak. He never communicated with me at all, except for that wrong number call.

But in any case, why would a talk about "extreme, militant Islamists and the atrocities that they have perpetrated globally" undercut dialogue with Muslims who profess to reject those atrocities and the interpretation of Islam that underlies and justifies them? If they reject the jihadists' understanding of Islam, why wouldn't they welcome and applaud an honest discussion of that understanding of Islam, which presumably they oppose as much as I do?

And my talk would generate "suspicion and even fear of people who practice piously the religion of Islam"? Islamic supremacist talking point. I have consistently stood for equality of rights of all people before the law and denounced all action against innocent people. Only those who wish to discredit my work so as to clear away obstacles before the advancing jihad claim otherwise.

In press reports concerning the cancellation of Mr. Spencer’s presentation, it was inaccurately stated that my decision was based on my wanting to avoid a media event unfavorable to the Diocese of Worcester. That was not the case.

The source for this is one of his own clergy: "Monsignor Thomas Sullivan, lead organizer of the men’s conference, told the Telegram & Gazette that some groups, including members of the Islamic Society of Greater Worcester, perceive Mr. Spencer as anti-Islamic. While the diocese does not share that view, he said, the invitation was withdrawn to avoid 'a media outcry.'" -- Worcester Telegram

Others in some messages they sent to me, most of which were less than charitable and civil, claimed that I had “caved in to the demands of Islamic supremacists.”

As to caving in to Islamic supremacists, it is a pity that Bishop McManus doesn't address the fact that in cancelling my talk he was acceding to the demands of an open "friend and supporter" of a convicted jihad terrorist. But his complaint that most of the messages he received were "less than charitable and civil" I regard with skepticism. I asked people to write to him "politely and courteously," and the overwhelming majority of the many, many such letters that were copied to me were indeed polite and courteous. In saying this, he is implying that the people who oppose his decision to drop my talk are hateful louts, rather than people concerned for the defense of human rights against Sharia oppression, and for persecuted non-Muslims in Muslim countries. It is unfortunate to see a Roman Catholic bishop picking up a smear tactic that Islamic supremacists frequently use to try to intimidate people into thinking that there is something wrong with speaking out against that oppression and persecution.

This of course is uninformed nonsense. In fact, I based my decision solely on the concern that Mr. Spencer’s talk would impact negatively on the Church’s increasingly constructive dialogue with Muslims.

"Increasingly constructive dialogue"? Constructive how? Has it resulted in fewer Christians being persecuted in Pakistan, Indonesia, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Nigeria, or the other countries where Muslims are brutalizing and terrorizing them? Has it resulted in a reform or rejection of the Islamic texts and teachings mandating warfare against and subjugation of Christians and other non-Muslims (cf. Qur'an 9:29)?

How is dialogue improved by ignoring unpleasant facts?

The Catholic Men’s Conference is a wonderful opportunity for men to come together to reflect on their spiritual lives and to become better informed about their Catholic faith and its implications for their daily living. Since the Diocese of Worcester sponsors this event annually, we concluded that a speaker whose focus would be on the danger of militant Islamist jihad, a topic that might be appropriate at a conference on international politics with a forum for debate, was not suitable for our conference.

That's another point: that a talk like mine simply wouldn't fit in with a conference about faith and spirituality. Fair enough. But the conference organizers invited me last June; clearly they thought my talk would fit right in. And the Bishop didn't seem to have a problem with my being there until the Islamic supremacists and mainstream media began making a fuss. Coincidence of coincidences, then he discovered my talk just didn't fit in.

It is true that Christians in parts of the world where Islam is the dominant religion have suffered and continue to suffer persecution at the hands of Islamist extremists and terrorists. Our local Muslim leaders themselves have publicly described these violent Muslim militants as “heretics” and have condemned such abominable acts. We hold our Christian brothers and sisters who are enduring such persecution in our prayers as we vigorously support every effort to work diplomatically for their protection and well-being.

I'm glad they've condemned the persecutors as "heretics," although I'd be interested to know on what Islamic grounds they did so. In any case, here again -- if this is so, why would they be so threatened by a discussion of the beliefs that gave rise to the persecution in the first place, and of how free people can respond effectively to that persecution? Shouldn't they be joining in such an honest discussion, rather than trying to shut it down?

During this Year of Faith proclaimed by Pope Benedict XVI and especially during the holy season of Lent that we are soon entering, I ask that we call on the Holy Spirit to encourage us to share our faith with others, especially our brothers and sisters of other faiths, in order to further the crucial mission of the New Evangelization. As we seek to introduce the Lord Jesus to others, let us pray that our personal and ecclesial witness of faith may help others to know and love Christ who is our Way, our Truth and our Life.

Most Reverend Robert J. McManus
Bishop of Worcester

I'll be there on March 16 -- at an exhibitor's table or outside.

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"Spencer’s talk about extreme, militant Islamists... devout Muslims"---

Those "extreme, militant" "Islamists" are actually devout Muslims. You ignoramus, pusillanimous cretin!.

"... might undercut the positive achievements... "---

Nothing says "positive achievements" better than the daily persecution, prosecution, mass murders, genocide.. etc. of non-muslims by Muslims.


Oh, the buffoonery of these dolts, trying to divert attention and whitewash the daily, systematic human rights abuses committed by Muslims against non-Muslims. Will the moral and intellectual myopia ever end?.

*trying to divert attention and whitewash the daily, systematic human rights abuses committed by Muslims against non-Muslims and the intrinsic bigotry and intolerance of Islam.

It's clear to me that these particular priests are not much use...What a crock of inner spiritual struggle that Bishop wrote...I would just write them off as a lost cause...Anyone that willfully ignorant is lost in the wilderness, and of no real use to their congregation...

By the way, out of no where Chrome blocked me from JW, and Atlas, because of malware...I'm using Firefox now...

The list of attacks should include the despicable attack on Indonesian christians, with 'rotten eggs & human excreta', who were trying to celebrate christmas in a piece of land allotted for Church construction.

As we seek to introduce the Lord Jesus to others, let us pray that our personal and ecclesial witness of faith may help others to know and love Christ who is our Way, our Truth and our Life.

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OUR Way, Truth, and Life? Should not a representative of The trinitarian G-d say = The Way, the Truth and the Life? McManus embraces the idea it is one many options of those of "Abrahamic" faiths. I wouldn't want him in my corner.

"Does it mean that we are not to speak about the theological differences between Christianity and Islam, or about the Qur'anic roots of Muslim persecution of Christians, or related issues?"---

You see, if we don't report about the holocaust that means it never happened and nazis will treat us nicely. If we don't report crimes committed by nazis then nazis, magically, turn into good, tolerant and amicable people.

Oh, the buffoonery of these western, pro-islamonazi scum. Will it ever end?.

Well, he was given a chance with that wrong number. But he chose ... poorly.

Sounds like a leftist in ecclesiastical clothing.

Three observations: 1) This Catholic bishop is even worse than I thought. 2) The Second Vatican Council (1962-1965) got a lot of things wrong, not the least being that it accorded respect to Islam, a faith unlike all other major faiths, i.e., Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism et al. Give me the Council of Trent over Vatican II anytime. Yeah, Trent was a bit too strident but Vatican II was far worse than strident---it was foolish. 3) Though not a Christian myself, I cannot see how any knowing Christian can accord Islam any respect. Respect to Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, Hinduism, Judaism, Taoism and so many other faiths yes, but Islam no, because it directly, pointedly and insultingly appropriates Jesus, as it parasitically appropiates so much else, and without ambiguity tells Christians that they not only got the big stuff wrong but that they're going to be punished for it as well. What other major faith does this?

Sorry, Bishop McManus. Your response to the fiasco that you created is pathetic, and unbecoming of person with your authority.

If the rest of the clergy think the same way that you do, we are in big trouble.

I am making plans to go to Worcester on March 16th, to show my support for Mr. Spencer.

Shame on you, Bishop McManus.

The Catholic Church does not care about the fate of Christians in the Middle East or elsewhere, particularlly if these Christians do not acknowledge the Holy See and the Pope as the representative of Christ here on earth.

As far as they are concerned, relations between the Catholic Church and Islam couldn't be any better.

The Bishop is a dupe. The Islamists are smarter than he. Too bad.

...The Dogmatic Constitution on the Church (Lumen Gentium), specifically on paragraph 16 of Chapter 2 which speaks about the special relationship that Christianity has to Islam. The paragraph states, “But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place among these are the Muslims who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind.” (LG. #16)”

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Wow so you believe this garbage?! But what you don't KNOW is that muslims blaspheme the name of our precious LORD and Savior Jesus Christ! They believe that Jesus will return as a muslim and destroy all the crosses and kill all Christians *AND* Jews if they don't convert to islam! ...so much for professing to hold the faith of Abraham.

So I would submit that you are not bound by this bogus "Constitution"; given the fact that it does not reveal a muslims position on Jesus.

And, I would also submit that you need to obey the word of God, not some second-rate constitution from your church. Hey here's a chapter and verse that you need to read instead and enact stat:

"Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?" -- 2 Corinthians 6:14

It's one thing to reach out to muslims in an effort to convert them to Christianity, but what you're doing is entirely WRONG since now you have become unequally yoked with them; which is clearly demonstrated through your comment here:

"As a result of such a theologically salient statement, the Catholic Church has engaged herself in inter-religious dialogue with Muslims. This dialogue has produced a harvest of mutual respect, understanding and cooperation throughout the world and here in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts."

Even to the point of rejecting the truth about islam and company--truth that Robert Spencer will provide.

... the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place among these are the Muslims ...

Excuse me. First place? And what did they do to attain that status -- except slaughter, rape, plunder, conquer, and subjugate over the course of centuries?

And what "Creator" do the Muslims ackowledge? A creator of slaughter, rapine, plunder, conquest, and subjugation, to all of which Allah repeatedly exhorts his adherents. Sounds to me not like the God of my understanding but His opposite number.

For all the flowery words it could have been said more simply, "Robert Spencer will not be coming, and I will continue to keep my fingers in my ears. What's more, blah, blah, blah."

I was thinking about going to this conference because Robert Spencer was going to be there.

I am not so inclined to go anymore.

Bishop McMannus is considered to be conservative here in Worcester County.
(Keep in mind this is Massachusetts so a centrist is considered a right wing conservative.)

I have sympathy for the Bishop but really think he needs to have a meeting with Robert Spencer and should at least personally apologize for the dis-invite.

I am still a fan of Robert and I am disappointed by all this. I might visit the conference to see him anyways.

"Sounds like a leftist in ecclesiastical clothing."

That cassocked castrate would have been hanged for treason in times of Battle of Tours, Spanish Reconquista, Lepanto, or Siege of Vienna - the time when the Catholic armies armed both with Bible and sword saved Europe from the mohammedan deluge.

What a joke here's what the koran says about non Muslims or kaffirs ''Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve then they would not believe'' Surah 8:55, Surah 3:85'' And whoever desires a religion other than Islam it will never accepted of him and in the hereafter he will be one of the losers'', Surah 4:144 ''Oh you who believe take not for your friends and protectors the Jews and Christians they are but friends and protectors to each other and he who takes them as friends and protectors is surely one of them, lo Allah guides not an unjust people''. Surah 4:101 '' For the unbelievers are unto you open enemies'' Good luck with your interfaith dialogue now bishop also I don't know what the Islamic leaders are like in American behind closed doors but here in Australia the top sheiks openly scoff and laugh at such meetings and dialogue when teaching their students about the Islamic faith rest assure I've never met a single Muslim sheik or leader who takes such meetings seriously.

As things stand, I nominate Bishop Robert McManus of Worcester as *Dangerous* Dhimmi of the Year.

Bishop McManus called me last Wednesday morning, but it was a wrong number: he was calling someone named "Steve" and somehow dialed my number by mistake...
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Well, now we are made aware of the *only?* circumstances under which Bishop McManus will face Robert Spencer—unintentional ones...

More:

In light of my recent decision to rescind the invitation to Mr. Robert Spencer to speak at the Catholic Men’s Conference next month on the topic of Islam in its relation to Christianity, I should like to reflect briefly on the conciliar document entitled, The Dogmatic Constitution on the Church (Lumen Gentium), specifically on paragraph 16 of Chapter 2 which speaks about the special relationship that Christianity has to Islam. The paragraph states, “But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place among these are the Muslims who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind.” (LG. #16)”
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What *utter rot*. Anyone who has read the texts of Islam realizes that the role of Jesus—the appalling Muslims "Isa"—in the last days is to "break the cross and kill the pigs"—that is, to end dhimmitude, the slight, grudging, insecure space that Islam offers Christians to practice their faith. Thereafter, the choices for a Christian are stark: conversion to Islam or death.

In other words, the role of "Jesus" in Islam is to *kill Christians*.

Bishop McManus either hasn't bothered to learn that elementary tenet of Islam—or he doesn't want his parishioners to know.

Leaving aside doctrine, things are no better. Pious Muslims are oppressing, forcibly converting, and outright slaughtering Christians all over the world—in Iran, in Egypt, in Pakistan, in Nigeria, in Iraq, in Sudan, in Syria, and even in the West. It never ends.

But you would never learn that from Bishop McManus—and he wants to ensure that you won't learn it from Robert Spencer, either.

More:

It is true that Christians in parts of the world where Islam is the dominant religion have suffered and continue to suffer persecution at the hands of Islamist extremists and terrorists. Our local Muslim leaders themselves have publicly described these violent Muslim militants as “heretics”...
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Really? Are the governments of Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, northern Mali, the "Palestinian territories", Indonesia, Malaysia, Afghanistan, northern Nigeria, Iran, and Egypt all "heretical"? Are the Imams of Al Azhar University, the most respected institution of learning in the Sunni world, also "heretical"? Are the Ayatollahs of Iran, who represent the highest level of Shi'ite learning, also "heretical"?

Those are questions Bishop McManus either will not think to ask, or will not dare to ask.

*Dangerous* Dhimmi of the Year.

That's excellent, Champ. He should be sent a notice of his candidacy for the title, plus a copy of "Islam and Dhimmitude" by Bat Ye'or, so he will read it and start to think about dhimmitude, his own in particular. Hmmm

Bishop McManus says:

"Our local Muslim leaders themselves have publicly described these violent Muslim militants as “heretics” and have condemned such abominable acts. "

I would like to know when those local leaders became McManus'???/the church's???

Also where and when did this happen? I couldn't find a historical record of that wonderful event.

"That's excellent, Champ. He should be sent a notice of his candidacy for the title, plus a copy of "Islam and Dhimmitude" by Bat Ye'or, so he will read it and start to think about dhimmitude, his own in particular. Hmmm"

Thank you, WestwardHo ...and that book sounds like a fine recommendation. I haven't read it, but the title indicates a perfect fit! ...oh, and I haven't read Robert's new book either, but I've preordered it, entitled, "Not Peace But A Sword: The Great Chasm Between Christianity And Islam".

Robert's new book also sounds like a *must read* for the Bishop!

Veritas,

*The Catholic Church does not care about the fate of Christians in the Middle East or elsewhere, particularlly if these Christians do not acknowledge the Holy See and the Pope as the representative of Christ here on earth.* There are Eastern Churches who *acknowledge the Holy See...*

Source:
http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/global-issues/middle-east/christians-in-the-middle-east/who-are-christians-in-the-middle-east.cfm


The Middle Eastern and North African countries have had Muslim majority populations for centuries. Whether Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant, Christians living there remain under dhimmitude...

Source:
http://www.dhimmitude.org/archive/phares_middleeastchristians.pdf


*As far as they are concerned, relations between the Catholic Church and Islam couldn't be any better.* The Church, as William Kirkpatrick explains, made a mistake...which many, whether Catholic or not, have made...*The probable answer is that at the time of the Vatican Council, militant Islam was fairly quiescent, and the Church fathers were far more concerned with the threat from atheistic communism. Now that Islam is once again set on subjugating the rest of the world, Catholics need to be given a fuller picture of Islam, if for no other reason than that their survival may depend on it. Catholics and other Christians have been lulled into complacency by the simplistic notion that Christians and Muslims share much in common. For example, when a Catholic reads that Muslims worship the same God and revere the same Jesus he does, he might easily jump to the conclusion that Islam is really a religion of peace and that terrorists are “misunderstanders” of their Islamic faith. That is a very naïve view to hold in these very dangerous times.*

Source:
http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Item/1757/islams_rise_and_the_wests_denial.aspx#.URbYzfLjHng

The "local" bishop doesn't know any (as in not one) "local" Muslim who has so condemned these other Muslims as heretics.

If he does, let the good bishop name that person.

This bishop demonstrates par excellence that the Bishop of Roma aka the Pope made a real mistake in appointing this gimpy-kneed character as one standing for the Catholic faith.

"it was a wrong number"...????
"he was calling someone named "Steve""...I think he meant "Mohammad".
"He said he was in the airport in Dallas and would call me back; he never did,"... Did he have to go through a scanner? Did he notice the added security these days and wonder why?...
I think this fellow might start to wake up when the cross in his cathedral is replaced by a crescent moon. I only said "might".

Bishop McManus says below that it means that Catholics should engage in "inter-religious dialogue with Muslims."

What is the use of "dialogue" with the muhammadan untill they accept the rights of other religions and the right of individuals to change their religion?

I think we have a new #Myjihad ad presenting itself to us:

“My Jihad is sanctimoniously selling out Christians locally and abroad. What’s your #Jihad?” Bishop McManus

Or am I being a little too cynical??

This new look is great, it's really fast. Thank you Robert.

To the bozo who insists on torturing the term 'Veritas' and abusing it so viciously:

You have demonstrated repeatedly that you are an ignorant and incoherent bigot who delights in hatred. You also enjoy lying through your discoloured and misshapen teeth. You can go away now.

I take exception to the tone of his response concerning emails he'd received. There are some church leaders (mercifully few) that consider anything less than the most obsequious attitude to be rank insubordination, this chap sounds like he may be among them. Great. Just what the Church needs, another stuffed shirt.

For the record, below is a copy of my own "less than charitable and civil" email to the Bishop.
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Sirs,
It is with deep regret that I read of the Diocese's cancellation of Robert Spencer as speaker at a men's camp in your Diocese.

Here in New Zealand we have experienced similar dispiriting displays of capitulation by churches who were to host similar events. In our case it invloved some extremely well qualified PhDs, one of whom had spent many years in missionary work in a closed Muslim majority country, yet the basis for the change of heart and refusal was a desire to build relationships with the Muslim community. This is understandable. However we must ask - upon what are we basing our dialogue and search for Christ-like witness among these dear people?

Habib Malik, a Lebanese Christian PhD notes that dialogue based on no more than a vague belief that we both worship the same God and both honour Jesus is, in his words "pathetic" and does not even begin to approach Martin Buber's ideal of dialogue that approaches core issues and really does build relationship.

I based my own MTh on a study of dialogue between Islam and Christianity and have found Robert Spencer to be an accurate, calm and reasoned researcher. He does no more than study doctrine and history. Black marks on white paper, if you will. He has no hatred in his heart for Muslims but, like me, has the gravest concerns about their central figure Muhammad and their sacred scriptures.

I'm afraid you have done a grave disservice to your Diocese, to the church sufferring under Islamic hegemony and to a genuine scholar who has no more in his heart than to defend Western freedoms and the people of Christ.

With my prayers,
yet another person whose study & opinion should be summarily dismissed*

I'm first to admit I often stick my foot in my mouth. What do you think guys - "less than charitable and civil"?

*not my real name

@ Wellington: Re Trent, even if it thunders its "anathema sit" at me, I recognize that it least understood that there's such a thing as truth. The post-Vatican II RC church seems to say that it doesn't matter what you believe, as long as you're sincere (a little like modernist/liberal so-called "Protestantism").

I will, however, agree that Islam has a special relationship to Christianity, along with a host of other religions such as Mormonism, Bahai'ism, Gnosticism, Arianism, and the like. They're all groups that try to "improve" on the Scriptures. Islam makes no sense at all save in a world where Jesus Christ is someone whom you really, really want to recruit to your side. Hence, you have people anathematizing the Old Testament or Paul (two bodies of writing of which they tend to be ignorant) who loudly claim to honor "Jesus"--as if the Lord is some kind of undefined banner rather than a person whose teachings and claims were clearly written down.

My own read on Robert's misadventure with the diocese of Worcester is that he's dealing with someone (McManus) for whom image is far more important than substance and who is also more deathly afraid of a bunch of shallow, poorly educated scribblers at the _Boston Globe_ than he is of the God he supposedly serves.

Salah wrote:

This new look is great, it's really fast. Thank you Robert.
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I was going to comment on Jihad Watch's new look as well, Salah. Very clean.

McManus is afraid of the Truth and lacks the courage to display that Truth like the Jesus he claims to follow and wants to sell to everyone else. No wonder the Catholic Church is dying with such leadership.

To be generous to Bishop McManus, it's a tough call and his boss controls it. The letter mentioning today's Christian martyrs is a nice gesture, but withholding information about Islam is wrong. Bishop McManus should be advised that he can only get authentic Islam by reading the SOURCE TEXTS, rather than listening to Islamic 'authorities' who say one thing in English and another in Arabic.

To be fair to Spencer, I personally would have perhaps thought it divine guidance that the bishop phoned Spencer 'coincidentally'.

Liam's letter is one of the best I've read.

I don't like the 'bug' and the small type; it's hard to read without moving closer to the monitor.

How could the Bishop feel any kinship with islam when islam denies that Jesus is the Son of God and denies that He died on the cross and was resurrected? Muslims worship a demon they call allah and the unholy qur'an depicts Jesus as a minor prophet who will fulfill his destiny by committing mass murder on Judgement Day. Christians and muslims DO NOT WORSHIP THE SAME GOD!!!!!!!

Robert wrote:

Actually, it's not a feature, it's a bug.

We hope to have the real site restored soon.

I am sorry that the bug carries advantages over the real site, but that's the way it is.
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Oops! And here I was, analyzing the design changes. Boy, is my face red...

I hope this was just a glitch and not yet another cyber attack—and I hope you are able to get the site debugged again soon.

Robert wrote:

Actually, it's not a feature, it's a bug.

We hope to have the real site restored soon.

I am sorry that the bug carries advantages over the real site, but that's the way it is.
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Oops! And here I was, analyzing the design changes. Boy, is my face red...

I hope this was just a glitch and not yet another cyber attack—and I hope you are able to get the site debugged again soon.

As a long-time IT professional, yes, the glitch or bug giving a more user friendly product, is often the way things are..... IT is only in some ways a rational endeavour...

Perhaps considering the bug to be an enhancement and leaving it that way could be considered?? (dependant on various load concerns, and security of course.)

Curious Bishop McManus do you think Jesus was lying when he said (John 14:6) "No one comes to the Father except through me." Bishop Mcmanus is not even a Christian.

Pity, the Óscar Romero type bishops appear to be in short supply these days. It seems that projectiles fired from guns, that took the life of Archbishop Romero, have become far, far, far less lethal than the lies that spewed forth from the mouths of fools and deceitful people.

Might be an idea for as many JWatchers as possible to amble along to this meeting and give McManus some verbal Worcester sauce in a polite and courteous way.

Questions suggested:
Why have you caved into CAIR? Why have you personally prevented a renowned expert on Islam, Robert Spencer, from speaking?

IQR: Christianity under Islam
al Rassooli

Feb 1 (9 days ago)
to rmcmanus
I am saddened as well as outraged that a Catholic Bishop would FORBID an American (Robert Spencer) who is an authority on Islam from speaking less he offends the worst ENEMIES of Humanity: ISLAM!

He was barred for the flimsy and asinine excuses that he is not an Arabic speaker nor is he qualified to discuss the subject of Islam.

Considering the FACT that I am fluent in Arabic (Iraqi in origin) and that I have spent 30 years researching and studying the subjects of Islam, Christianity, Judaism and related subjects I find the Catholic church of today COWARDLY in the face of the most aggressive and intolerant belief system in human history called Islam.

According to my extensive studies it is obvious that the Catholic leaders were only BRAVE when slaughtering, dispossessing, humiliating and uprooting JEWS because they were unarmed and no one to protect them while they are the consummate Moral & Spiritual COWARDS when confronted by Islam.

For your information in this 21st century, the most PERSECUTED peoples on Earth are CHRISTIANS by Muslims!

I would like to point out to you bluntly that JESUS did not die a COWARD!

He was crucified NOT for blaspheming God BUT because he was confronting Roman oppression.

Jesus was a JEW, his mother was Jewish so were his disciples and the first 'church'.

He died as KING of the Jews and not as a 'Palestinian' nor as a 'Christian'.

In summation, calling yourself a Christian is an INSULT to Jesus and his teachings

To confirm my credentials go to www.alrassooli.com and LEARN the FACTS about the greatest threat to human civilization in the 21st century: Muhammadan Islam with or without Weapons of Mass Destruction.

You should allow Mr Spencer to give his talk otherwise you are aiding and abetting the enemies of Christianity.

Sincerely

IQ al Rassooli

The Bishop is getting too much attention...It's clear he is hard headed, and delusional about Islam at least...
If a fool wants to stick his hand into a hornets nest thinking he can be buddies with the hive, and refuses to listen to your warnings, then he has to learn the hard way...Allah has created the 'hard way' for any Bishop dumb enough to walk that path...Karma is a btch Bishop, stay on that path and you will meet her...

It sounds to me as though the Bishop McManus has been seriously misinformed. Possibly by Muslims cleric advisers. Similar to the administrations naive manner of learning answers to serious questions.

I once wrote to a Senator and a Christian Pastor alerting them of Islams ideology, the Qu'rans dualizum, the Hadith, and Muhammads true demeaner. I told them I had been schooling myself about Islams history and ideology, since 1991.
Fast Forward to their response. "I have asked my good Muslim friends about your seriously bias oppinions". And was told that, "nothing could be further from the truth."

How naive, to think that a Muslim would admit to the truth about "taqiyya" and savage ideology of Islam. Most people in the free world seriously can't handle the truth. So for that reason and fear of the truth they need to hear a very different story.

Bishop McManus no doubt is having serious problems admiting the truth. It's people like that that shouldn't be allowed to give his or her oppinion. Because it is blind to the truth.


in addition, 'SWAMISUDERBRUDER' as shown in profile, is the false ID used to attack my typepad account in the past...I fixed that a long while ago...I though...

Bishop McManus no doubt is having serious problems admiting the truth.

Two good rules to live by, especially if you are a 'Man of God', is to 'always tell yourself the truth and do what is right'...

The Bishop seems to be having trouble with this at least regarding Islam...If the Bishop is deaf to the truth, he is not much of a Bishop...

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