Muslim Brotherhood: UN's condemnation of violence against women "would drag society back to pre-Islamic ignorance"

“A woman needs to be confined within a framework that is controlled by the man of the house.” When I report that Muslims say this, and that they base the idea on Islamic teaching, I'm a greasy Islamophobe. When the New York Times does it, they're the paper of record.

"Muslim Brotherhood’s Statement on Women Stirs Liberals’ Fears," by Tara Todras-Whitehill for The New York Times, March 14:

CAIRO — During its decades as an underground Islamist movement, the Muslim Brotherhood has long preached that Islam required women to obey their husbands in all matters.

“A woman needs to be confined within a framework that is controlled by the man of the house,” Osama Yehia Abu Salama, a Brotherhood family expert, said of the group’s general approach, speaking in a recent seminar for women training to become marriage counselors. Even if a wife were beaten by her husband, he advised, “Show her how she had a role in what happened to her.”

“If he is to blame,” Mr. Abu Salama added, “she shares 30 percent or 40 percent of the fault.”

Now, with a leader of the Brotherhood’s political arm in Egypt’s presidential palace and its members dominating Parliament, some deeply patriarchal views the organization has long taught its members are spilling into public view. The Brotherhood’s strident statements are reinforcing fears among many Egyptian liberals about the potential consequences of the group’s rise to power and creating new awkwardness for President Mohamed Morsi as he presents himself as a new kind of moderate, Western-friendly Islamist.

In a statement Wednesday on a proposed United Nations declaration to condemn violence against women, the Brotherhood issued a list of objections, which formally laid out its views on women for the first time since it came to power.

In its statement, the Brotherhood said that wives should not have the right to file legal complaints against their husbands for rape, and husbands should not be subject to the punishments meted out for the rape of a stranger.

A husband must have “guardianship” over his wife, not an equal “partnership” with her, the group declared. Daughters should not have the same inheritance rights as sons. Nor should the law cancel “the need for a husband’s consent in matters like travel, work or use of contraception” — a reform in traditional Islamic family law that was enacted under former President Hosni Mubarak and credited to his wife, Suzanne....

Some Egyptian feminists, though, called the statement a vindication of their warnings that the Brotherhood might lead Egypt in a more conservative and patriarchal direction.

“They do not believe that when domestic violence is present, the women should resort to the justice system or the legal process,” said Ghada Shahbandar of the Egyptian Organization for Human Rights. “It should be kept at home and under the protection of the family — that is their claim. And there is no such thing as marital rape because a husband is entitled to have sex with his wife any time that he wants.”

“This is the first time we have heard it said publicly on the world stage,” she said, “but this has been in their rhetoric for ages.”

In his seminar for prospective Islamist marriage counselors, Mr. Abu Salama justified the group’s approach to marriage by explaining that Islam also required husbands to be compassionate, just as it required women to be obedient.

Quoting Muhammad’s injunction that a man “must not fall on his wife like an animal,” a textbook in Mr. Abu Salama’s class said Islam instructed men to engage in foreplay before sex and attend to their partner’s satisfaction. As for inheritance, Islamic scholars have argued that a son should have a greater share, but also an obligation to look after the financial well-being of a sister.

But Mr. Abu Salama also argued that husbands should keep their wives under tight control. “It’s the nature of the weak to overstep the required framework if she is given the space and the freedom, like children,” he said in the seminar. Most of the women nodded in agreement.

Closing its statement on the proposed United Nations declaration, the Brotherhood appeared to go even further. The provisions discussed are “destructive tools meant to undermine the family as an important institution,” the statement concluded, and “would drag society back to pre-Islamic ignorance.”

They'd prefer their own ignorance, thank you very much.

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"..drag society back to pre-Islamic ignorance.”

The human race should insist on it....


The duplicity, mendacity and stupidity exhibited by the MALE followers of Muhammad (irrespective of being Muslim Brothers, al Qaida, Salafis, Shabab...) is beneath contempt.
They deliberately ignore the most remarkable FACTS:
1 Before Muhammad's Islam, the females of Arabia (during the alleged al Jahiliyyah/ Time of 'ignorance') had MORE rights, self worth, self esteem and freedom than they ever got or will ever get under Islam's Sharia.
2 For those who need proof, just study the story of Khadijah Muhammad's first wife:
a) She was 15 years older than him and SHE proposed marriage
b) She inherited the wealth of TWO previous husbands and did not need the consent of anyone in her family
c) She was the one who KEPT the unemployable Muhammad with her wealth so that he had time to spend in the cave reflecting
d) Without Khadijah's financial, religious and spiritual support there would have been no Muhammad or Islam
e) Under Sharia, the females of the human species are treated one tiny step higher up the ladder of Evolution than Domestic Animals by the male followers of the CULT of Muhammad who nothing more than Degenerate Human Mutants
Anyone finding my statements objectionable, please do yourself a favor and Google 'alrassooli' and collect some of Hundreds of Thousands of Dollars in challenges.
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It's sharia baby...It's not fair but it reflects Allah's/Mahounds attitudes about women...Allah's laws are laws no matter how unfair, arbitrary or harmful...The MB is correct on treating women that way because they are following the will of Allah...Rasool Obama himself advocated adherence to sharia when he said, 'The future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam'...That's sharia too baby...

In a perfect world, this would be a major stumbling block for political islam. The portion of the UN that shares what they refer to as "The European Sensibility" should be appalled at the brotherhoods objections to the declaration.

Whether they like it or not they are going to have to choose. Either they are going to vote to let the “Muslim Sensibility” hold sway and hurry the slide to muzzy barbarism and viciousness, or they are going to remember that they are supposed to be the guardians of human rights.

Well, I supposed one should hope for the best and plan for the worst…

In the New York Times?

I guess that unicorns actually exist!

Wow! Pre-islamic ignorance, like the civilizations of ancient Egypt, Greece, Rome and India among others? Oh I certainly wouldn't want to trade Islam for those horrors. Snark, snark, snark.

It just shows there may be Muslims who are good people, but there is no goodness in Islam  if the texts and teachings are scrutinized. Islam's attitude towards its believers holds them in contempt, keeping them in silent submission to a primitive warlord's (Mohammed) ideology pretending to (Abrahamic) religion. But it is really but a repressive paradigm of servitude to a conquest driven war machine  (Jihad) to promote the servility of Sharia. It is especially cruel to women. As virtual slaves to their male handlers, their husbands, fathers, brothers, and imams, they are kept ignorant and impoverished by Islam to produce babies for Jihad's expansionism of Islamic imperialism. The only 'good' Muslim is a bad Muslim.

Muslim Brotherhood: UN's condemnation of violence against women "would drag society back to pre-Islamic ignorance"
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So much for the idae—so bandied about by Taqiyya artists and those in the West desperate to believe them—that Islam brought equal rights and even feminism to the world. Grimly laughable.

Even dark ages Arabia offered more rights to women than Islam.

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"...Even if a wife were beaten by her husband, he advised, “Show her how she had a role in what happened to her.”
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How much longer can the West continue to ignore this? I have no answer for this—I can't believe it has gone on as long as it has.

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The Brotherhood’s strident statements are reinforcing fears among many Egyptian liberals about the potential consequences of the group’s rise to power and creating new awkwardness for President Mohamed Morsi as he presents himself as a new kind of moderate, Western-friendly Islamist.
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He only presents himself that way to lull liberal Egyptians and the West into a false sense of security. Read the original texts of the Muslim Brotherhood such as Sayeed Qutb's "MIlestones", and you will see tha they have held these views from the beginning.

And why not? This is *absolutely canonical Islam*.

This is no different from the views of the Taliban or Al-Shebaab or the Jihdists of northern Mali in their imposition of Shari'ah.

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“They do not believe that when domestic violence is present, the women should resort to the justice system or the legal process,” said Ghada Shahbandar of the Egyptian Organization for Human Rights. “It should be kept at home and under the protection of the family — that is their claim. And there is no such thing as marital rape because a husband is entitled to have sex with his wife any time that he wants.”
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This also is canonical, codified Islam. What part of "Go to your tilth as you will" don't you understand?

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“This is the first time we have heard it said publicly on the world stage,” she said, “but this has been in their rhetoric for ages.”
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That's right. But it's not as though they are "letting the cat out of the bag"—it is that they now feel they can speak about such ugliness openly, as they are consolidating their power. The same thing happened after the Islamic revolution in Iran thirty years ago.

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In his seminar for prospective Islamist marriage counselors, Mr. Abu Salama justified the group’s approach to marriage by explaining that Islam also required husbands to be compassionate, just as it required women to be obedient.

Quoting Muhammad’s injunction that a man “must not fall on his wife like an animal”...
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*That's* the Islamic standard of "compassion"—and one seldom honored in the observance. *Ugh*.

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But Mr. Abu Salama also argued that husbands should keep their wives under tight control. “It’s the nature of the weak to overstep the required framework if she is given the space and the freedom, like children,” he said in the seminar. Most of the women nodded in agreement.
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These female "marriage councilors" are intended to do nothing but urge women to suffer in silence—even unto death—and to teach them that if they are beaten or killed that *it is their own fault*.

God, I hate Islam.

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Closing its statement on the proposed United Nations declaration, the Brotherhood appeared to go even further. The provisions discussed are “destructive tools meant to undermine the family as an important institution,” the statement concluded, and “would drag society back to pre-Islamic ignorance.”

They'd prefer their own ignorance, thank you very much.
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Yes. In fact, the more openly appalling Islam proves itself, the more desperately those in the West cling to their willful ignorance.

EYESOPENED wrote:

...a textbook in Mr. Abu Salama’s class said Islam instructed men to engage in foreplay before sex and attend to their partner’s satisfaction."

FOREPLAY?!??!! What the hell is that supposed to mean when the majority of girls under the sharia yoke have been brutalized by FGM??? Was this meant to be a joke or what?
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Good point. But all too many credulous Westerners are apt to believe this absurdity. In Egypt the rate of FGM is over 95%, so this is simply ludicrous.

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