Turkey: Muslim murderer complains that he is being treated like a "Christian"

Recep Cetin has admitted that he murdered two women from Ireland, but that is not the point of this post. What is noteworthy is that in his complaint here, Cetin seems to assume that Christians are not, as a matter of course, treated the same way Muslims are in Turkey. Now where did he get that idea? Islamic law mandates second-class status and institutionalizes discrimination for Christians and other non-Muslims, but with Islamic apologists in the West strenuously denying that that is really the case, one wonders where Cetin got this crazy idea. Has he been reading "Islamophobic" literature?

"Turkish waiter 'depressed' as he admits to killings," by Michael Carroll for the Irish Herald, February 21 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):

A CONFESSED Turkish killer of two Irish women asked for reporters to be banned from his trial because media reports were "depressing him".

THE request came shortly after the defendant, former waiter Recep Cetin, admitted the charges of murdering Marion Graham and Kathy Dinsmore, both 53 and from Newry, Co Down, in August 2011, at the Fifth High Criminal Court in Izmir, Turkey.

Recep Cetin, appearing in court alongside his alleged accomplice father, Erup Cetin, appealed for the media to be banned because of the effect reports were having on his mental health.

He complained he was being treated like, "a Christian, an atheist or communist" in the trial.

"I am a Muslim. My father is innocent, yet he has been in prison for one and a half years. Camera records show my father was not at the scene," he added....

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Turkey: Muslim murderer complains that he is being treated like a "Christian"
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Oh, no! A good Muslim whose only crime was murdering a couple of Infidel women from Dar-al-Harb is being treated as badly as a Christian dog! What have things come to? sarc/off

More:

"Turkish waiter 'depressed' as he admits to killings"
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Notice, Recep Cetin is not sorry that he killed these two women—he only regrets having admitted it to the police.

More:

He complained he was being treated like, "a Christian, an atheist or communist" in the trial.

"I am a Muslim...
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Not just a Christian—but an atheist or a communist!

Given that the victims were almost certainly either Christian or atheist themselves, we can see what he considers their worth to be, and the significance of his having, as a Muslim, murdered them...

It goes to show you the mindset.

The next thing you know, they'll be trying to shave off his beard.

He doesn't want media coverage because any lenient sentence will become widely public, and western pressure will ensure at least some kind of halfway decent punishment. Under the Islamic rock, his punishment can be much lighter.

Poor muslims. They even get discriminated in their own muslim country. I understand their rage now. What a muslim to do but kill.

This is a disturbing case in general--this was much worse than some sort of stick-up gone wrong.

Recep Cetin was dating victim Marion Graham's clueless teenage daughter while they were vacationing in Turkey.

The family—especially, apparently, the girl's father (the parents are divorced)—had become leery of the relationship. When they refused to let Recep Cetin marry the girl,—who was only fifteen—saying she was too young, he stabbed her mother to death and slashed her best friend Kathy Dinsmore's throat, after having a relative who owned a taxi service drive the pair of them to an isolated forest outside the resort town of Izmir. I don't think the fact that one of the victim's had her throat cut is at all random. The attack has been described as "frenzied".

He then lied about the killings, saying that the women had been "kidnapped by a gang of men".

So—this case is full of disturbing Islamic elements—attempted forced underage marriage, a Muslim sexually claiming an Infidel girl, a premeditated murder with "Honor Killing" overtones, the killing itself exhibiting "frenzy" against hated Infidels, and the likely involvement of the Muslim killer's family in the bloody crime.

No wonder this pious Muslim is upset at being "treated like a Christian"—after all, Christians are for raping and murdering by Muslim men.

Honestly, what's the world coming to? When is a double murdering Muslim going to get a fair trial? There'll be evidence next, a prison sentence, perhaps ........ oh, it's all so-o-o-o-o unfair!!

Clown!

"What is noteworthy is that in his complaint here, Cetin seems to assume that Christians are not, as a matter of course, treated the same way Muslims are in Turkey." --Robert

Yes, and he seems to assume the person whom he is addressing also believes that Muslims should be treated better than Christians and other non-Muslims. The article doesn't say exactly to whom his comments were addressed when he complained about being treated as a "Christian, an atheist or communist," but perhaps it was the judge or other legal officials, i.e., those to whom he would ask that the media be banned from the case. Why would he believe his statements would be acceptable to these people? The most likely answer I suspect is that these people would sympathize with, if not share, his assumption that Muslims must be treated better than Christians and other non-Muslims.

Gravenimage says: "Given that the victims were almost certainly either Christian or atheist themselves, we can see what he considers their worth to be, and the significance of his having, as a Muslim, murdered them..."

Exactly right, Graven. Islamic apologists in the West would probably try to claim that this young man's murders constitute a form of domestic violence like other non-Muslim domestic violence, but these anti-non-Muslim comments by the confessed perpetrator himself indicate that these murders are at least in part motivated and enabled by the Islamic supremacist mindset.

The religious supremacist bigot, is upset that his religious supremacist bigotry, is not being recognized by other religious supremacist bigots...Somehow, I don't feel a bit sorry for him...

It is in the Izmir area - his father has a shop in Izmir - formerly known as "Smyrna", the place of the "Great Fire of Smyrna" or "Smyrna Catastrophe" . Some simply call it the "Smyrna Massacre" when the Greek and Armenian population was ....erm ....following which the Greek and Amenian population was very much diminished.

Also Izmir is where Bishop Luigi Padovese was killed. Is there a certain mindset in the area?

Izmir is actually Turkey's bastion of secularism. Large anti-sharia demonstration took place in the city in past years. Izmir was known as 'Giaour/Gavur Izmir' (Infidel Izmir)during Ottoman times for its large nonmuslim population. It is called that today.

He complained he was being treated like, "a Christian, an atheist or communist"...or a dog!

During the Mumbai massacre...
"As long as you're alive, keep killing, keep killing the DOGS."
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.ca/2010/06/never-forget-mumbai.html

Kinana of Khaybar wrote:

Islamic apologists in the West would probably try to claim that this young man's murders constitute a form of domestic violence like other non-Muslim domestic violence, but these anti-non-Muslim comments by the confessed perpetrator himself indicate that these murders are at least in part motivated and enabled by the Islamic supremacist mindset.
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Very true, Kinana.

Steffen Larsen wrote:

It is in the Izmir area - his father has a shop in Izmir - formerly known as "Smyrna", the place of the "Great Fire of Smyrna" or "Smyrna Catastrophe" . Some simply call it the "Smyrna Massacre" when the Greek and Armenian population was ....erm ....following which the Greek and Amenian population was very much diminished.
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Thanks, Steffen—I was going to mention this myself.

The terrible destruction of Smyrna—in 1922 Turkey's wealthiest and most cosmopolitan city—was the final spasm of the terrible, decades-long Armenian Genocide.

As you note, Armenians weren't the only victims--they includes Greeks, "Levantines" (mostly Western Europeans who traded and lived in Turkey--some of these families had been in Turkey for as long as 200 years)--and Turkey's most vibrant Jewish community. In other words, all non-Muslims were targets.

As lanastalem notes, the city was known as "Infidel Smyrna"—which is the only reason that its non-Muslim population was not *slaughtered earlier*—after all, the Armenian Genocide had been going on in the rest of Turkey, proceeding in waves of mass-murder, since the late 19th century.

Many foolish residents of Smyrna at the time believed that "it couldn't happen here"—but at the end, Smyrna just served as "virgin territory" for an especially savage massacre.

The beautiful city was sacked, and its non-Muslim residents raped and slaughtered—then burned, right up to its quay. That Muslim Turks destroyed their own most vibrant city counted for nothing compared to their "cleansing" the city of Kuffar.

The few survivors were those who were picked up by American, British, and European ships in the harbor.

What was left was renamed Izmir. I very much doubt that most clueless Infidels who consider this a 'resort area' have any idea of the region's baleful history.

Graven remarks

The few survivors were those who were picked up by American, British, and European ships in the harbour.

Those ships where naval ships, and they idly stood by and watched while Mustapha Khemal, burned Smyrna and completed the massacre of 150,000 non muslims.

So as not to offend the Turks not a shot was fired, Smyrna, "Ghiaour Smyrna," became the last stronghold of Christianity and Greek culture in the Near East.

Let us briefly review the situation which enabled the Turks in the year of our Lord, 1922, to complete the extinction of Christianity in the Near East: The Germans were, as long as they lasted, the active allies of the Turks, and during this period nearly a million Armenians and many thousands of Greeks perished; after the Armistice and during the period which led up to the destruction of Smyrna and the accompanying massacre, the French and Italians were allies of the Turk, and furnished him moral and material support; the British gave no aid to the Greeks, but contented themselves with publishing an account of the dreadful events that had been taking place in the Ottoman Empire; the Americans gained the reputation of being pro-Turk, true friends, who would ultimately, on account of this friendship, be given the permission to put through great schemes, which would result in the development of the Ottoman Empire and, incidentally, fill certain American pocketbooks. The Turks confidently believed that commercial avarice would prevent us from interfering with their savagery, or even strongly condemning it.

Never in the world had the Turk so good an opportunity to glut his lust for Christian blood without fear of interference or criticism.

http://www.pahh.com/horton/

Not a shot was fired, and in the year of our Lord, 1923, 7 months after the massacre

The Chester Concession, approved by the congress of the newly founded Republic of Turkey on April 10, 1923, allowed United States development of oil and railways. It was an award of the significant importance and marked the introduction of U.S. capital for the first time on a large scale into the Near East. The same type of agreement (Baghdad Railway) was a major cause of the anxiety which led the Ottoman Empire to World War I. Germany had obtained concessions from Ottoman Empire which allowed German companies to construct railways.

The U.S. corporation would have the rights to all the mineral resources, including oil fields, found within a 20-kilometer zone on each side of the railway lines, as well as the privilege of carrying on subsidiary activities such as the laying of pipe lines, the utilization of water power for construction, and the building of port and terminal facilities on the Black Sea and the Gulf of Alexandretta. The corporation could utilize the resources of the public lands, including sand pits, gravel pits, quarries and timber, without compensation and was granted exemption from taxation. Retired Rear-Admiral Colby Mitchell Chester led the U.S. syndicate, thus the name Chester concession was employed, although the official name of the syndicate was the Ottoman-American Development Company.

Graven remarks

What was left was renamed Izmir. I very much doubt that most clueless Infidels who consider this a 'resort area' have any idea of the region's baleful history.

It was never the intention of the powers to be that the average Joe was to know what happen

In September of 1922, Mustapha Kemal (Ataturk), the victorious revolutionary leader of Turkey, led his troops into Smyrna (now Izmir) a predominantly Christian city, as a flotilla of 27 Allied warships -including 3 American destroyers- looked on. The Turks soon proceeded to indulge in an orgy of pillage, rape and slaughter that the western powers anxious to protect their oil and trade interests in Turkey, condoned by their silence and refusal to intervene. Turkish forces then set fire to the legendary city and totally destroyed it.

What's your point? I have mentioned here *many* time that the West was shameful in its inaction during the Armenian Genocide in general, and the destruction of Smyrna in particular.

The fact is that the genocide of the Armenians and other Infidels in Turkey was one of the few policies pursued with equal zeal by the Ottoman Empire, the interim government, and the New Republic of Turkey. There is some question as to whether Attatürk himself supported the Genocide—what is absolutely clear is that he did nothing to stop it.

The West was involved in the same sort of grotesquely short-sighted "Real Politik" that they often are today—official reaction to the Armenian Genocide was sporadic and utterly inadequate.

There were many British and Americans at the time who urged that their military ships at least pick up those refugees who made it to the quay. Eventually, several officers disobeyed orders and rescued as many refugees as they could, taking them to Greece. Many of these ships made several trips, packing the ships each time.

This action was very little—and very late. Most of the victims were slaughtered.

But the fact is that of the few who did survive the terrible destruction of Smyrna, most were rescued by foreign ships in the harbor. Nothing you say changes that.

This should be a moral lesson to the West today—but it probably won't be. Very few people know this history.

Graven said

What's your point? I have mentioned here *many* time that the West was shameful in its inaction during the Armenian Genocide in general, and the destruction of Smyrna in particular. then goes on to say, Very few people know this history.

Well if not many people know this history, then no harm done telling it one more time.

Here is a very good account of what happen

THE BLIGHT OF ASIA

An Account of the Systematic Extermination of Christian
Populations by Mohammedans and of the Culpability
of Certain Great Powers; with the True Story
of the Burning of Smyrna

By
GEORGE HORTON
For Thirty Years Consul and Consul-General of the United States in the Near East

http://www.pahh.com/horton/

True, Gunung Semeru.

Two good books on this terrible subject are "The Burning Tigris" by Peter Balakian on the entire scope of the Armenian Genocide, and "Paradise Lost: Smyrna 1922" by Giles Milton, with the focus, obviously, on Smyrna itself.

I remember reading somewhere that Ataturk said in an interview in the Los Angeles Examiner that "millions of our Christian subjects" were massacred by the Young Turks. On the other hand, if Ataturk was aware of the massacres of Armenians, I doubt he did anything to stop it. Surely he would have noticed the presence of poorly treated Ottoman Armenian soldiers in the labor battalions at Gallipoli. Yet anything which made the Young Turks look bad was good for Ataturk, as they were his political enemies and he sent many of them into exile.

Whatever one thinks of Ataturk, the man was undeniably shrewd and ever the political opportunist. He represented himself as a revolutionary to the Russian communists (the Turks could not have won their independence without their aid), Gazi/Jihadist to the muftis and Anatolian peasants, and nationalist patriot to the urban classes. When Eleftherios Venizelos offered a population exchange between Greece and Turkey, Ataturk jumped at the chance. What my point is, Ataturk was in favor of homogenizing Turkey, and Armenians being massacred would have fit into his plans neatly. No one can deny he had knowledge of the massacres as he ordered general Kazim Karabekir to suppress the fledgling Armenian Republic, in course of which resulting in more massacres. It should be noted that while Karabekir rescued some Armenian orphans, he had them trained in a janissary like fashion to become the core of the new Turkish Army.

http://www.sears.com/library-images-historic-print-m-ishmid-turkey-ranks-of-armenian/p-SPM2730453201P

The picture speaks for itself.

On the other hand, Ataturk may have aimed to prevent any further massacres following the founding of the Republic because he found Armenians (as with Jews) to be useful to his modernizing campaigns. The modern Latin Turkish alphabet was designed by an Armenian and Ataturk's life saved by Berç Keresteciyan, an Armenian banker. Still, I doubt he had any genuine fondness for the Armenians. Enver Pasha too had his life saved by an Armenian soldier named Hovannes during the battle of Sarikamish yet he proceeded to blame Armenians for the loss of that battle.

I've now figured out why the Left loves Islam so much: after years of trying to expiate its guilt feelings over the treatment of minorities in the West, it looks nostalgically on a culture where minorities are still expected to "know their place".

Good post, lanastalem.

I generally respect Atatürk's suppression of Islam in Turkey--all of Turkey's (comparative) modernity in the 20th-century can be attributed to his policies, which are now being energetically dismantled by Erdogan and the rest of the "Islamists".

But there is absolutely no doubt that he—at best—winked at the continuing Armenian Genocide, which had begun under the Ottoman Empire, continued under the "Young Turks", and then ended in the horrifying destruction of Smyrna. After this, there were only a handful of Armenians surviving in Turkey—mostly in Istanbul (and this remnant would be attacked later on, in the 1950s). Now even fewer remain.

His blaming the Armenian Genocide solely on the "Young Turks" (or the old Ottoman Empire) was clearly propaganda—and meant for Western consumption. Generally, this is the line that the West bought—when they thought about the genocide at all.

Estimates of the final death toll vary, but it is clear that—conservatively—over a million Armenians, Greeks, and Jews were slaughtered between the last decade of the 19th-century until 1922.

I believe we are poised for another horrifying spasm of wholesale "religious cleansing" of Infidels in the Muslim world—in Pakistan, in Iraq, in Syria, in Egypt, and in many other parts of Dar-al-Islam.

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