Egypt: Muslim Brotherhood forbids Muslims to wish Christians “Happy Easter”

Today is Orthodox Easter, and for the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood regime, that meant is was the occasion for a bit more Islamic supremacism. “No ‘Happy Easter’: The Muslim Brotherhood’s Bizarre Religious Intolerance,” by Eric Trager in the Atlantic, May 3:

Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi’s decision not to attend this coming Sunday’s Coptic Easter mass was entirely predictable. Morsi, after all, declined to attend Pope Tawadros II’s November investiture and, during his previous stint as chairman of the Muslim Brotherhood’s political party, Morsi visited a church on Christmas but made a point of emphasizing that he exited before services started. Yet because Morsi’s decision comes on the heels of a Brotherhood fatwa prohibiting Muslims from wishing Christians a “Happy Easter,” Morsi’s coldness towards Christians reflects a central paradox of the Brotherhood’s Islamism: despite its longtime promise to “implement the sharia” upon achieving power, the Brotherhood only offers specific interpretations of Islamic legal principles when it needs to justify its most intolerant impulses.

The fatwa, authored by Brotherhood leader Abdel Rahman al-Barr, is noteworthy for its degree of analytical detail. In it, Barr quotes extensively from the Qur’an to argue that Muslims should only greet Christians on their holidays “so long as this greeting does not come at the expense of our [Islamic] religion.” In other words, Barr writes, Muslims cannot wish Christians a “Happy Easter,” because “our belief as Muslims, which makes ambiguity impossible, is that [Jesus] wasn’t killed or crucified,” though Muslims can greet Christians on Easter with the non-sectarian Arabic salutation ” kulu sana wa-entum tayyibun,” which roughly means “hope you are well this year” and is used for all sorts of occasions, including birthdays. By contrast, he adds, wishing Christians a “Merry Christmas” is permissible, because Muslims view Jesus as a human prophet and thus acknowledge his birth.

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  1. says

    Persecution of Christians is ongoing in Egypt. Why does a political party need to regulate particulars of faith and practice? Christians in all Muslim countries are the natives.

  2. says

    By contrast, he adds, wishing Christians a “Merry Christmas” is permissible, because Muslims view Jesus as a human prophet and thus acknowledge his birth.
    ………

    I think, it is a lie. On Easter, he forbids wishing a happy easter to the Christians, but to limit the damage, he allows wishing a merry Christmas. On Christmas, he will forbids wishing a merry Christmas, but allows wishing a happy easter.

    In Indonesia, the Majelis Ulama Indonesia (Indonesian Cleric Council) has made a fatwa to forbid wishing a merry Christmas.

  3. says

    Flash: The Tanenbaum Center could not be reached for comment respecting this latest of examples of “interrreligious understanding,” nor could Bishop McManus of Worcester, Massachusetts. Stay tuned, however, for later developments regarding the continued kissy-face, huggy-bear interfaith dialogue which is so important to peace, goodwill and harmony aplenty in our time. That is all for now.

  4. says

    … The Muslim Brotherhood’s Bizarre Religious Intolerance

    Given that “bizarre” connotes something “markedly unusual or extraordinarily strange,” I cannot see the Brotherhood’s intolerance as being thus. Indeed, the entire odious cult of Islam, its scriptures, history, and traditions, are all based on intolerance.

  5. says

    We all know in our hearts why Mohammed disavowed the death of Jesus on the cross. It’s because he failed to one-up Jesus by being martyred himself… No way to dodge the history of that event —- his death as an old man in his bed w/no martyrdom to his name — other than by pretending Jesus wasn’t martyred. Of course, he ensured — by his behaviour over his lifetime — that he’d achieve the whole dying in bed thing rather than martyrdom. I think this is why he’s so big on encouraging martyrdom in his followers. He needs the cachet of their choosing to die in his name and God’s name.

  6. says

    Why not just be like the pc police here in North America and insist they use the generic “happy holidays” for every occasion?

  7. says

    Hey Santos. The PC version is “Seasons Greetings.” Happy Holidays is actually Happy “Holy” Days and predates Merry Christmas by centuries. The greeting Merry Christmas is a more recent creation of the 19th century tied to buying presents and focusing on economic behavior instead of the importance of Christ’s birth. Sometime you conservatives are as nutty as the liberals.

  8. says

    CGW, I don’t expect to have to repeatedly explain my statements. Jesus died and THEN he rose. But the fact is, he was killed FIRST and he arose three days later. Sure, it may be “the resurrection and the life” part that really pissed Mohammed off but, for me, the important part was that Christ surrendered himself up to death voluntarily knowing he would face death as the punishment for having developed the system of ethics he had shared w/the world. The fact is that Mohammed was so busy putting others to the sword and aping the ethical achievements of others, he never allowed himself to ever face that risk. Get it? Even when we basically agree, you all refuse to see even fractionally my agreement.

    Foolster, it’s enough for me that I see what I consider the fallacies in religions that present dangers to their followers and the world. It’s not necessary for me to agree w/everyone else on what the hazards and weaknesses of individual religions are. The fact those fallacies and weaknesses are present and could trigger reformers at any time is enough for me to keep hoping for better.

  9. says

    Islamically wrong to express celebratory greetings to non-Muslims, but Islamically okay to tell non-Muslims to go hang themselves and kill themselves if they don’t believe in Muhammad:

    Pickthall
    22:15. “Whoso is wont to think (through envy) that Allah will not give him (Muhammad) victory in the world and the Hereafter (and is enraged at the thought of his victory), let him stretch a rope up to the roof (of his dwelling), and let him hang himself. Then let him see whether his strategy dispelleth that whereat he rageth!”

    Mainstream tafsirs, including references to hadiths:

    http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2519&Itemid=77

    http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=2&tTafsirNo=73&tSoraNo=22&tAyahNo=15&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2

    http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=1&tTafsirNo=74&tSoraNo=22&tAyahNo=15&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2

  10. says

    America: I was only asking a question based on what you said. You seemed to indicate a belief (or, if you will an “agreement” on as you say the fallacies and dangers) that Mohammad was far from a good example and that he promoted violence and bigotry (i.e. against non-muslims). Let me ask it clearer: Would you agree that Mohammad’s example, and his veneation as a prophet who was a great exmaple as near impossible hindrance (since to reject what Mohamamd said and did is to reject Islam) to reform? Yes or no?

    You say that Islam has it’s “flaws” as you put it (i.e. inherant calls for violence against and subjegation of non-believers, subservatude of women, violation of religious rights), but also simatanously you also don’t see that inherent part of islam as a problem to reform.

    Uh, what? Do you understand how little this makes sense? This really is the same horse you’ve been flogging, and people keep pointing out this inconsistancy, but you keep repeating it. I’m not really even sure how they could “trigger reformers at any time “. If anything, they are a HINDERANCE to reform, not a possible trigger! That’s not hope, that’s nievity!

    Let’s do a thought experiment:

    Foolster said: “Wait Americana, are you suggesting that just maybe the teachings and example of Hitler are evil, and thus since it’s rooted in Mein Kamph, the political ideals of the Nazi party and speeches of Hitler reform from within is impossible for Nazism?”

    America Replied: “Foolster, it’s enough for me that I see what I consider the fallacies in ideologies that present dangers to their followers and the world. It’s not necessary for me to agree w/everyone else on what the hazards and weaknesses of individual ideologies are. The fact those fallacies and weaknesses are present and could trigger reformers at any time is enough for me to keep hoping for better.”

    Does this exchange make any sense? And no, this isn’t “Godwin’s law” since I’m not calling you a nazi. I’m showing the absurdity in trying to suject an inately violent/hateful ideolody can be reformed form within. Feel free to replace “Nazi” and related words with “KKK” (and related other words) if you will.

  11. says

    America: It really does sound like your using double speak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_speak) to sound like you’re not so far off from the norm. You make statements about how Mohammad was bad , but then slip in statements where you insist that there can be reform from within, or the reasons for jihad being about the US (which is in severe disagreement with it seems everyone else here), and act gruff as if you really are MOSTLY in agreement with us, so why are we “misrepresenting” you as being in disagreement?. It’s pretty frustrating, and (surprise!) makes me distrust you all the more.

  12. says

    I would be perfectly fine with that, who would want them to wish anybody a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter??? Who cares what they think. I wish all the Christians could flee that land and come here. Let them have it and there crazy ways. Just leave the rest of us alone!!!!!!!You don’t want to hear what we believe, just stay to yourself.

  13. says

    The Muslim Brotherhood is totally unimpeded by the facts. We don’t greet one another with “Happy Easter”. In English we use “Christ has risen” and answer with “Indeed He has risen”. It’s the Brotherhood’s loss that they want nothing to do with Orthodoxy. Otherwise they might actually learn something.

  14. says

    Well, it looks like America has moved on once again (I noticed he’s posted on other topics since) and won’t be answering here objections to his inconsistent worldview. Oh well!

  15. says

    ”Religions are human constructs and they change as the human condition changes”

    How strange then, that islam hasn’t changed one iota in 1400 years.

    *Bloody jihad to spread islam by the sword. Choices for unbelievers, 1) convert and submit to islam. 2) Live as a dhimmi, with no rights.
    3) Die.

    * Bloody sharia which punishes with beheadings, stonings, hanging, amputations, and flogging.

    Yep. islam has really changed ”as the human condition changes”.

    This determined stupidity in the face of all evidence. There really is no arguing with a fool.

    * worship for mohammed, a psychopathic, vicious murderer, thief, and paedophile.

  16. says

    You’ve completely missed the point. Read a little more on what muslims *say* their beliefs are rather than just imagining to yourself what they could be.

    muslims deny the crucifixion BECAUSE THEY DENY THE RESURRECTION. It has nothing to do with martyrdom and everything to do with a refusal to acknowledge Christ as God’s Son having conquered Death itself.

    To quote you, yourself, “GET IT? GET IT?”

  17. says

    ” Of course, he ensured — by his behaviour over his lifetime — that he’d achieve the whole dying in bed thing rather than martyrdom.”

    Wait Americana, are you suggesting that just maybe the teachings and example of Mohammad are evil, and thus since it’s rooted in the Quroan and hadiths reform from within is impossible for Islam?

  18. says

    To Christians, Jesus is the savior, not “martyred”. A martyr is someone who seals his witness to Jesus with his own blood, for the term comes from the Greek word for “witness”.

    The death of Jesus Christ on the cross to atone for our sins and his resurrection are the non-negotiable heart of the Gospel (I Cor. 15).

  19. says

    Hi Amrika!
    You wrote: ‘…is enough for me to keep hoping for better.’

    Hope isn’t a strategy. Just hoping gives Jihad a free ride into town! Y’gotta do sumpin’, gal!! Hence, JW!

    And, by the way, I seem to remember something about Moh being poisoned by a woman whose relatives died at the hands of the capo de tutti capi of the Medina Mafia!

  20. says

    “Americana” wrote:

    We all know in our hearts why Mohammed disavowed the death of Jesus on the cross. It’s because he failed to one-up Jesus by being martyred himself…
    …………………………

    Does everyone see what the foul “Americana” is doing here? She is conflating martyrdom in Christianity, where one dies for one’s religion, with “martyrdom” in Islam, where one dies while *murdering others in Allah’s name*.

    One need not even believe in Jesus as the Savior to see how grotesque this is.

    More:

    I think this is why he’s so big on encouraging martyrdom in his followers. He needs the cachet of their choosing to die in his name and God’s name.
    …………………………

    Every incident of “martyrdom” in the canonical texts of Islam involve death while slaughtering others.

    More:

    The fact is that Mohammed was so busy putting others to the sword and aping the ethical achievements of others, he never allowed himself to ever face that risk.
    …………………………

    When did the appalling “Prophet” ever “ape the ethical achievements of others”? While Islam does indeed swipe stories from the Torah and the Bible, it has *none* of Judaism’s and Christianity’s moral teachings”even second-hand.

    More:

    Foolster, it’s enough for me that I see what I consider the fallacies in religions that present dangers to their followers and the world.
    …………………………

    Any specific religion in mind? Really, the dangers of Unitarianism to the world simply can’t be overstated. Zen Buddhism? Lock your doors! sarc/off

    Meanwhile, of course, Islam presents an existential danger to every Infidel on earth.

    More:

    More It’s not necessary for me to agree w/everyone else on what the hazards and weaknesses of individual religions are. The fact those fallacies and weaknesses are present and could trigger reformers at any time is enough for me to keep hoping for better.
    …………………………

    So now, apparently, lots of religions are in dire need of reform.

    And really, what is it about Islam’s prohibitions on Muslims so much as questioning their violent creed that leads you to believe that reform is immanent? Inquiring minds want to know…

  21. says

    The greeting ‘Merry Christmas’ at Christmas time harkens back to *at least* 1565, when it appeared in The Hereford Municipal Manuscript:

    “And thus I comytt you to god, who send you a mery Christmas & many.”

    Anyway, it’s quite possibly the stupidest controversy since, well, at least 1565.

  22. says

    gravenimage, no, no, no, no, no. You don’t get to simply superimpose your thoughts on my posts as you do. FUCK THAT tactic which you use ad hominem and ad nauseum to attempt to label me as a Muslim or a Muslim apologist. Just because i use a term that isn’t the term you use doesn’t allow you to do that. I am NOT conflating Jesus’ martyrdom on the cross w/the jihadi martyrdom concept of Islam. Have you really no shame at all? You think you can just willy nilly twist someone’s words into pretzels so it looks like what you said is what they said? Sheesh.

    (ME) We all know in our hearts why Mohammed disavowed the death of Jesus on the cross. It’s because he failed to one-up Jesus by being martyred himself…

    (ME) It’s not necessary for me to agree w/everyone else on what the hazards and weaknesses of individual religions are. The fact those fallacies and weaknesses are present and could trigger reformers at any time is enough for me to keep hoping for better.

    I’m obviously implying w/the above that religions of all denominations have pros and cons. That’s why religions evolved and played off each other and have multiple branches to them. Buddhism has fractured into many sects.. It’s got regional branches. When I mention that fallacies and weaknesses might trigger reformers, well, that’s what has already happened multiple times over the course of human history. No need to get all defensive about it and act as if I’m implying that Christianity of any denomination is substantially flawed, or that Buddhism is inherently evil… Religions are human constructs and they change as the human condition changes.

  23. says

    “Americana” wrote:

    gravenimage, no, no, no, no, no. You don’t get to simply superimpose your thoughts on my posts as you do. FUCK THAT tactic which you use ad hominem and ad nauseum to attempt to label me as a Muslim or a Muslim apologist. Just because i use a term that isn’t the term you use doesn’t allow you to do that.
    ……………………………….

    I’m ‘not allowed’ to analyze “Americana’s” comments? On what basis? And now we see that she is descending into ranting and profanity. Very unpleasant.

    This has nothing to do with’supposedly”not using ‘approved” terms. Anyone can see the consistent whitewashing of Islam in “Americana’s” comments.

    More:

    I am NOT conflating Jesus’ martyrdom on the cross w/the jihadi martyrdom concept of Islam. Have you really no shame at all? You think you can just willy nilly twist someone’s words into pretzels so it looks like what you said is what they said? Sheesh.

    (ME) We all know in our hearts why Mohammed disavowed the death of Jesus on the cross. It’s because he failed to one-up Jesus by being martyred himself…

    (ME) It’s not necessary for me to agree w/everyone else on what the hazards and weaknesses of individual religions are. The fact those fallacies and weaknesses are present and could trigger reformers at any time is enough for me to keep hoping for better.

    I’m obviously implying w/the above that religions of all denominations have pros and cons.
    ……………………………….

    So”martyrdom in Christianity is dying for one’s faith, and martyrdom in Islam is dying while slaughtering others for one’s faith. Are these “pros” or “cons”? You don’t specify.

    More:

    Religions are human constructs and they change as the human condition changes.
    ……………………………….

    Well, this is odd””Americana” previously has identified herself as Catholic. While genuinely devout people do sometimes identify certain minor aspects of their faith to be “human constructs”, I’ve yet to run across one who considers all religions to be human constructs. This is generally an atheist position.

    And how has Islam changed as the human condition has changed? In fact, pious Muslims emphasize that Islam *does not change*, because they regard their vile creed as being handed down directly by “Allah”.