Israeli Deputy Minister of Interior Affairs: “If we have no other choice, we will have to return to Gaza”

Recently the Georgian freedom activist Joseph Zaalishvili interviewed the Israeli Deputy Minister of Interior Affairs, Knesset Member Mrs. Faina Kirshenbaum.

Joseph Zaalishvili: Do you think that the wave of protests that rose in Egypt could bring to power more extremist forces than came to the fore after the “Arab Spring,” or will the Egyptian military be able to keep the situation under control?

Faina Kirshenbaum: At first I can say that Israelis did not want to interfere in this situation. This is an internal affair of Egypt, a question of who will rule the country. As the saying goes, we are seeing the excitement of the processes that are taking place in that country.

We are very concerned about this situation because we have a long border with Egypt, we have for the last 25 years since the treaty was signed not a full-fledged accord, but there is silence and peace — a stable relationship. And for us that is very important.

We watch with excitement, for if more radical forces come to power in Egypt, they will not honor that agreement which was signed with Israel. And of course it is all connected with the axis of evil, which begins and ends with Iran in Syria. We see Hezbollah, which sided with Assad. And the number of people killed in Syria is over a hundred thousand. We are very concerned about why the international community does not take up this subject. Why not take measures to protect the civilian population? This week in Israel a 13-year-old girl who was wounded in Syria received treatment. Israel is helping the wounded, because it is humane.

Very important also is the Iranian issue; we cannot forget about it. How will the situation in Iran be after the presidential elections? Will this affect the future? What is the attitude of the United States to this, and of course the whole bunch, the U.S., Israel and Europe.

JZ: You said that in Syria Hezbollah is fighting against the Assad regime, but among the Syrian opposition forces also there aren’t big supporters of democracy. How should this situation be dealt with? Isn’t Israel between Scylla and Charybdis, on the one hand with Hezbollah and the other with Al-Qaeda?

FK: Israel never stands on either side. Not to be on the side of Assad is not to take the side of the rebels. We are concerned about the security of our borders and the stockpile of chemical weapons that is in Syria.

This morning, two insurgents were trying to enter the territory of the State of Israel. Of course, the Israel Defense Force stopped them, but we can see that the tense situation on the border leads to the fact that the peacekeepers are leaving the Golan Heights. UN forces are leaving this area and the buffer zone is getting smaller and smaller. Israel is concerned about its safety and seeks peace of mind on its borders. We do not want to interfere in Egypt or get involved with the problems in Syria, but the security of the state of Israel and its citizens is very important for us.

JZ: Some time ago, when you visited Russia, did you discuss the question of whether there were Russian peacekeeping forces on the border with Syria?

FK: This topic raised a very big noise in Russia. As I said, we do not have any problem with what forces are on the border with Syria. Everything should be in accordance with international relations and international law. And the UN has written into the contract that the countries of the UN Security Council do not have the right to be part of the peacekeeping forces at these borders. Therefore it is not possible. This topic has arisen, but the UN Security Council has not given Russia permission to join those forces.

JZ: Almost a year ago there was operation “Pillar of Cloud,” after which the firing stopped in the Gaza Strip. The situation in Egypt is changing, and it is not clear whether the military will be able to keep the situation under control at Gaza’s border with Egypt. Some time ago the Chairman of the Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, Avigdor Lieberman, said that Israel would have to enter Gaza again in order to ensure the safety of its citizens. Would you comment on this situation?

FK: I do not think he said that because of the situation in Egypt. I think it was related to another situation. Every time someone raises a question of negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian Authority, for example with Abu Mazen, we always suffer from the fact that we are frequently shelled from the Gaza Strip. This is all done in order to indicate that the Gaza Strip is different, and Abu Mazen has no control over it. We have, as we say, Fatah-land and Hamas-stan. Abu Mazen doesn’t control the situation in Gaza. And every time Abu Mazen makes a move, they start firing to show Israel that Abu Mazen and Fatah do not represent Gaza. And when the world community puts pressure on Israel to restart the negotiation process, we have a question: with whom should we speak? For who is Abu Mazen? Elections in Ramallah were three years ago. Abu Mazen doesn’t call new elections because he is afraid of losing. Then Hamas or other extremist forces can become the authorities on the West Bank of the Jordan River. We can sign an agreement to make concessions, including territorial ones, but the next authority in Ramallah could declare that the previous government did not represent the interests of the Palestinians and say that we have what we have but we want more. So it is very difficult situation.

JZ: Eight years ago, the government of Ariel Sharon withdrew Jewish settlements from Gaza. Some politicians in Israel and around the world say that it was the right decision, and others think it was a tragedy for the Jewish people and helped make Israel weak. What is your attitude to this issue?

FK: History has proven that nothing has changed. They said that because of the settlements that were in Gaza the Palestinians were enraged and there was no peace. We have once again proven to the world that this is not the case. We have taken out of the Gaza Strip 20 thousand Israeli civilians. We destroyed the settlements in which flourished kindergartens, schools, and agricultural crops — we had built the entire infrastructure. The Arabs were given the land, and what did we get? More attacks. But this time they came from closer by. Terrorists fired at us at closer range. Because of that, we had to start operation “Pillar of Cloud,” and it is not clear what will happen next. If things heat up and the pressure on us increases, then Lieberman will be proven right. If we have no other choice, we will have to return to Gaza. Nobody wants that. Our goal is not to conquer Gaza. We do not need it. No, it is not because Arabs inhabit the area. We need peace and safety for our citizens.

JZ: Ms. Kirshenbaum, the EU adopted the recommendation to boycott industrial settlements of the so-called “Green Line.” How do you think this decision could affect the foreign policy of the State of Israel?

FK: I think that this decision is a gross interference in our affairs. We never make decisions for other states, and we do not interfere in their affairs. To interfere in the internal affairs of Israel is a violation of international law. It is an attempt to force Israel to advance the negotiations, but I think that it is necessary to press the other side, not Israel, as we have something very defined on our borders. We want them to recognize Israel as a Jewish state. We want any agreement to be final, entirely ending the whole conflict between Israel and the Palestinian Authority. And certainly there should be no right of return for all the Arabs who lived here until 1948. If these items are not accepted, we have nothing to talk about. We defined our requirements and limits, but as I said, the international community, the Americans and Europeans, find it easier to put pressure on Israel for negotiations. Because our mentalities are similar but talking with the Arab population is difficult, Europeans and Americans find it easier to put pressure on Israel and not on Abu Mazen or other representatives of the Palestinian Authority.

JZ: After the Israelis apologized to Turkey for the incident with the “Mavi Marmara” flotilla, in which Turkish citizens were killed, the prime minister of Turkey, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, continues threatening to go to the Gaza Strip, and accused Jewish businessmen of financing the riots in Turkey. Do you know why he accuses Israel of all these sins?

FK: It is very easy to blame Israel. We used to say that the breakdown of relations with Turkey was not the result of the Mavi Marmara; on the contrary, the Mavi Marmara was the result of failure of these relations.

The passengers on the vessel came with the purpose of killing Israeli soldiers; this is clear from the records of the operation. They broke international law as they approached the Israel’s borders by water. In recent years, Turkey has undergone a big change. They are trying to change the order that existed in this country since Kemal Ataturk: looser liberal policies with an orientation toward the West. And then the wave of protest which has just been going on in Turkey just proves what changes have taken place in Turkey in recent years. Youthful forces wants less religion in government and more freedom of speech. Erdogan wants to present himself as the leader of the Islamic world, and to consolidate its position in the world and that is probably why he wants to go to Gaza.

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  1. says

    JZ: Eight years ago, the government of Ariel Sharon withdrew Jewish settlements from Gaza. Some politicians in Israel and around the world say that it was the right decision, and others think it was a tragedy for the Jewish people and helped make Israel weak. What is your attitude to this issue?

    Faina Kirshenbaum: History has proven that nothing has changed. They said that because of the settlements that were in Gaza the Palestinians were enraged and there was no peace. We have once again proven to the world that this is not the case. We have taken out of the Gaza Strip 20 thousand Israeli civilians. We destroyed the settlements in which flourished kindergartens, schools, and agricultural crops — we had built the entire infrastructure. The Arabs were given the land, and what did we get? More attacks…..”

    Something has changed. More rockets. More attacks. The election of Hamas. Gaza has become an Iranian terror base. Something has changed since Israel retreated from Gaza, August 2005.

    Faina Kirshenbaum: “If we have no other choice, we will have to return to Gaza. Nobody wants that. Our goal is not to conquer Gaza. We do not need it. No, it is not because Arabs inhabit the area. We need peace and safety for our citizens….”

    Nobody wants that. I want that. I supported Friends of Gush Katif. Israel will have to return to Gaza. Israel will have to “conquer” Gaza.

  2. says

    Israeli Deputy Minister of Interior Affairs: “If we have no other choice, we will have to return to Gaza”
    ……………………………..

    Alas, if Israel does return to Gaza, she will be excoriated as an “aggressor”. (I know”what else is new?)

    Pulling out in 2005 was *deeply* foolish. And the Muslim population of Gaza has had eight years to hone their Jihad skills and develop links to other Jihad movements”and them there is Hamas.

    I have no doubt that modern Israel could retake Gaza in a matter of days”but she is going to face a much uglier level of Jihad that what she had to deal with before the pull-out in 2005.

    Still, with Egypt possibly poised to become a full Shari’ah state”it is difficult to know how recent events there will play out in light of the Muslim Brotherhood ouster”returning to Gaza may prevent it from being a direct conduit for Jihadists from Egypt.

    Returning to Gaza may be the ‘least bad’ of the array of bad options available to Israel, surrounded as she is by a sea of hostile Muslims.

  3. says

    Rezali, please do not bother adding further trash to that already contained within the Koran, the hadith and virtually every sentence uttered by Muslims including you.

    Why? You are incapable of knowing truth as your “god” is a lie as are all of his plagiarised ( and very convenient to Muhammad’s sexual inadequacy) words and you have been indoctrinated to not recognise truth if it slapped you in the face.

    I once felt pity for those like you but now possess only cockroach level contempt for such dark Age savages. Do you ever wonder why Islam is so sterile and corrupt? Look in the mirror.

  4. says

    The supremacist ideology and honor culture of Muslims keeps them from acting rationally in their own self-interest. They would rather be destroyed to preserve ‘honor’ and not surrender their supremacist goals, than make a treaty they find humiliating that gives them guaranteed stability and prosperity. Islam is madness that allows only two options: all or nothing.

    There will be no progress until Muslims realize that ‘share’ is not an Islamic concept. ‘Share’ is a rational concept. Islam fails as a political philosophy because it is not based on reason.

  5. says

    ….if they are in harm’s way…take them to Montana…set up a new Israel there.

    Well, seeing as the Israeli’s had their kingdom there 1000 years before Mohammed, how about the Israeli’s stay, and the Muslims all move to Montanna ?

    Ofcourse you never talk about the opposite…that the muslim states are surrounded by hostile Israelis…

    We in the West have developed this new technology known as “Geography”. You should try it some time ?

    who invade when they feel like it….build on occupied territory …in the vain hope that given time…we will forget about that land grab.
    What are your thoughts about the Heshamite ‘land-grab’ of all of the “palestinian” territory east of the river Jordon ? An area SIGNIFICANTLY larger than current-day Israel. I notice nobody talks about giving THAT back ?

    …what is happening in the ME with muslims amongst themselves is regrettable …
    Regretable ? Oh… I dunno… 😀

    however the ME is now being armed …by the US who have recently taken the decision to arm the Syrian opposition …

    Well, SOMEBODY has to do it. No Muslim nation is capable of producing weapons without either Western or Soviet assistance. Most lack the technological capability to even produce amunition.

    and not worry about where the weapons go…as long as muslims kill each other….that’s your policy isn’t it…isn’t it?
    Thats a bit harsh isn’t it ? Anyway, it’s not as though they take much persuading to kill each other. And they’ll happily use… like.. rocks and stuff when Western/Russian/Chinese weapons are not available.

  6. says

    No need to invade. Just wait for them to launch a rocket into Israel…. then fire one back with a warhead that is ten or one hundred times as powerful. Do that for a few years and there won’t be any ‘palestinians’ left in Gaza

  7. says

    Somebody needs to secure those chemical weapons in Syria. Perhaps that is what we are doing in there… Conventional weapons for chemical ones?

  8. says

    I don’t believe in nor recognize “Jewish state[s]” any more than Islamic ones. The last thing the world needs is more identity politics. Israel does a fair job of acting like a secular state, so it should regard itself thus. The Israeli government has a real problem with the concept of property. It swaggers around acting like all property belongs to it. Doesn’t matter whether you’re an Arab Muslim or a Jewish settler, the Israeli government will treat your property like its own, subject to its own political vicissitudes.

  9. says

    Hello Graven,

    How are the drawings going?….sold any yet or has your husband slapped your wrists and you have stopped with that foolishness.

    You say…”Returning to Gaza may be the ‘least bad’ of the array of bad options available to Israel, surrounded as she is by a sea of hostile Muslims”.

    Well then take them Israelis out of there then…you are buddies with them….if they are in harm’s way…take them to Montana…set up a new Israel there.

    Ofcourse you never talk about the opposite…that the muslim states are surrounded by hostile Israelis…who invade when they feel like it….build on occupied territory …in the vain hope that given time…we will forget about that land grab.

    Well it’s not going to happen, stealing is stealing….what is happening in the ME with muslims amongst themselves is regrettable … however the ME is now being armed …by the US who have recently taken the decision to arm the Syrian opposition …and not worry about where the weapons go…as long as muslims kill each other….that’s your policy isn’t it…isn’t it?

    Obhams knows however that’s how the taliban got to power.

    Allah SWT is showing that no part of this duniya is denied to muslims…such such greatness…I am awashed with emotion.

    More Later….

  10. says

    Hello Graven,
    How are the drawings going?….sold any yet or has your husband slapped your wrists and you have stopped with that foolishness.

    Allah (SWT) forgot to give you any manners.
    You disqualify yourself right off. What you write next is unbelievable. Maybe a little more inner spiritual struggle would help you out.

  11. says

    “Allah SWT is showing that no part of this duniya is denied to muslims…”.

    Too bad that there is no Allah.

    He was made up – just like Mahound, Dajjal, and Mahdi were.

    You might as well be relying on Tinkerbell to show you anything…

  12. says

    The appalling Rezali Mehil has resurfaced:

    Hello Graven,

    How are the drawings going?….sold any yet or has your husband slapped your wrists and you have stopped with that foolishness.
    ………………………………….

    My husband and I *support* each other’s professional creative work’something no pious Mohammedan would be able to understand.

    And my husband has never and *would never* raise his hand to me in our almost twenty-five relationship”*something else* a devout Muslim would find inexplicable.

    More:

    You say…”Returning to Gaza may be the ‘least bad’ of the array of bad options available to Israel, surrounded as she is by a sea of hostile Muslims”.

    Well then take them Israelis out of there then…you are buddies with them….if they are in harm’s way…take them to Montana…set up a new Israel there.
    ………………………………….

    Why should the Israelis run from you? They are holding on”and flourishing!”in Israel itself, despite the threat they face.

    And your implication that the location of Israel is arbitrary is utterly false”Jews have inhabited the Holy Land for thousands of years. Jerusalem is the site of the Temple, and there is no part of Israel that isn’t suffused with Jewish history.

    The idea that Montana or Madagascar or any other spot on the globe is just as likely a spot for the Jewish state is meretricious bs.

    Besides, how long would the Jews be safe in Montana if pious Muslims had their way? Not long. Ultimately, Helena is as much a target as is Haifa. Later in this same post you say “no part of this duniya is denied to muslims””clearly, Mohammedans won’t stick at Montana.

    More:

    Ofcourse you never talk about the opposite…that the muslim states are surrounded by hostile Israelis…
    ………………………………….

    Obviously Islam precludes you from understanding simple concepts. Six million Jews are not capable of surrounding 300 million Muslims.

    And Israel is on a tiny slice of land at the very edge of the Levant, and does not surround any Muslim country.

    Israel has only *responded* to Muslim aggression”and then reluctantly. She has never initiated force herself.

    More:

    Well it’s not going to happen, stealing is stealing….
    ………………………………….

    Just grimly laughable. Islam *sacralizes* stealing”the taking of land by conquest, the imposition of Jizya, piracy, “street Jihad”… Of course, pious Muslims don’t consider any of this theft, because they believe that taking from Infidels is perfectly Halal, since the entire world and everything in it already “belongs” to Muslims, who did nothing to create or develop it.

    More:

    what is happening in the ME with muslims amongst themselves is regrettable …
    ………………………………….

    It is, rather, perfectly predictable. The last of the vaguely civilizing effects of Western law are fading, and Muslims are returning to their natural sanguinary state of slaughtering both any Infidels they can lay their hands on as well as other-sect and “insufficiently Islamic” Muslims.

    More:

    …however the ME is now being armed …by the US who have recently taken the decision to arm the Syrian opposition …and not worry about where the weapons go…as long as muslims kill each other….that’s your policy isn’t it…isn’t it?
    ………………………………….

    Not at all. The Americans arming the Syrian Jihadists foolishly believe that these are freedom fighters standing against a brutal dictator. It is clear that pious Muslims like Rezali Mehil understand that this is just another case of “believers” butchering each other.

    More:

    Obhams knows however that’s how the taliban got to power.

    Allah SWT is showing that no part of this duniya is denied to muslims…such such greatness…I am awashed with emotion.
    ………………………………….

    Notice that devout Muslims like Rezali Mehil are only “awashed (sic) with emotion” when contemplating Muslim bloodshed or the rape of small children.

    And she considers the vile *Taliban* as exemplars of “Muslim greatness”. Syria was already a mess”how much worse is it likely to be after years of genocide, a devastated Christian community, and Shari’ah law?

    But Rezali Mehil can’t wait…

    More:

    More Later….
    ………………………………….

    It wouldn’t surprise me. I’m sure it will be another nauseating”but instructive”glimpse of the Islamic mindset.

  13. says

    “josé” wrote:

    I don’t believe in nor recognize “Jewish state[s]” any more than Islamic ones…
    ………………………………..

    More queasy moral equivalence from “José”. Does “José” recognize that Israel is an island of decency and democracy threatened by a sea of Muslim supremacy? That Gaza is being used by Jihadists to launch unending Jihad against Israel, including by its “government”, Hamas? I wouldn’t count on it…

  14. says

    More failure to read and overactive imagination from “gravenimage” who has created a moral equivalence by which to be offended where there was none.

  15. says

    “José” wrote:

    More failure to read and overactive imagination from “gravenimage” who has created a moral equivalence by which to be offended where there was none.
    ………………………………

    What crap. Everything “José” has written since he showed up here has been moral equivalency *or worse*”like suggesting that a Muslim strangling a French policeman was just “defending himself” because the officer had been so “violent” as to ticket his wife for wearing the Burkha.