Modern moderate Malaysia update: No compromise on individuals mocking religion

And by ‘mocking religion’, no doubt the Malaysian government is referring to one religion in particular. “No compromise on individuals mocking religion: Ahmad Shabery”, from the New Straits Times, July 20:

KUALA BESUT: The communication and multimedia ministry will not compromise with those who insult or mock religion on social websites.

The minister, Datuk Seri Ahmad Shabery Cheek, said stern action would be taken against perpetrators, if it was proven that social websites were used to touch on religious sensitivities, resulting in anger and unrest among believers.

According to him, the arrest of controversial couple Alvin Tan and Vivian Lee was a reminder that matters touching on religions could not be brought to ridicule.

“This is a warning to all parties not to mock matters pertaining to religion. It is not only non-Muslims who cannot touch on the feelings of Muslims but Muslims should also be careful not to touch on the feelings of others,” he said.

Ahmad Shabery was speaking to reporters after flagging-off the Terengganu state-level Kembara Merdeka Jalur Gemilang convoy here today.

Tan, 25, and Lee, 24, have been charged by the Sessions Court on three counts of provoking Muslims during Ramadan and displaying pornographic pictures on the website. — BERNAMA

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  1. says

    Waaooo Thank you very much Mr. Ahmad Shabery. this applies not only to non muslims, thank you very much again Sir. From your own words muslims should be careful in hurting non muslims. Very good decision for all. This is my question Sir when are you going to arrest in abstention and trial the prophet of islam “religion of peace” Muhammad for hurting many killing and still killing up to date,mock other people beliefs? From your statement he must be arrested as soon as possible. Thank you and I look forward to hearing from you.

  2. says

    “… mocking religion”

    “Whoever insults a Prophet kill him”

    Allah, 9:12 & 9:65/66 cirticism & mocking of Allah are forbidden “… you have disbelieved after you had believed”

    Bukhari Book 84 “Dealing with Apostates” Number 57 “… the statement of Allah’s Apostle, ‘Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then KILL HIM.'”

    Bukhari Book 52 Number 260 “Fighting for the Cause of Allah (Jihaad)” “… the Prophet said, ‘If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, KILL HIM.’ “

    Allah, 4:88-89 “… But if they turn renegades (“reject faith”, leave Islam), seize them and slay them wherever ye find them”

  3. says

    there is much to scorn and deride when it comes to exposing the Allah god (unknowable; as imagined); it’s spokesman, Muhammad (lately contrived); the noble SHARIA (a major enslaver when implemented), which permits destruction, dehumanization, elimination, all in various forms.

    so sorry the adherents are so sensitive. if they actually left Islam they’d feel better about life and kindness and compassion … might even become fulfilled, should they come close to the Living God full of grace and mercy.

  4. says

    One must view this in ahistorical context to fully appreciate Islam.

    What exactly is the difference between Shia and Sunni?
    The way I understand it is that after Muhammad died the Shias and Sunnis followed different traditions.
    The Shias believed that one should eat with the left hand and poop with the right while
    the Sunnis believed that one should eat with the right hand and poop with the left.
    They tried to resolve their differences but failed, because for obvious reasons no one was willing to shake each other’s hands.

    A third group splintered off called the Sufis. They decided to solve the problem by becoming ambidextrous. Although they offered a more congenial approach no one in either group was willing to shake their hands. By this time the hostility between the Shias and Sunnis had become entrenched. The Sufis had as much luck finding compromise as a bisexual clergyman trying to marry Ellen DeGeneres who is openly gay to not gay (Wink, Wink) Fred Phelps of Westboro Baptist Church while picketing at a soldier’s funeral.
    This all brings us full circle back to Islam’s founder Muhammad.

    His religion is all about poop.
    It is nothing but Dogma Doo Doo.

  5. says

    Does this mean that the minister will sanction every muslim who will make initiative for implementing the discriminative sharia law? Or anyone who will say that they are the “chosen” people? I doubt…

  6. says

    “The Prophet used to dye his hair with henna”
    (Musnad Ahmad 17043)

    “The Prophet had a kohl container from which he would smear his eyes every night, three times in each eye”
    (Musnad Ahmad 3308)

    “The Prophet lift up his shirt, so he (the man) hugged him and kissed his torso”
    (Dawud 5224)

    “So he (a man named Zahir) proceeded to push his back into the prophet’s chest when he recognized him”
    (Musnad Ahmad 12237)

    “he (a man) entered between him (Muhammad) and his shirt and began to kiss him and embrace him.
    (Dawud 1669)

    “Revelations (i.e. the Qur’an) never come to me (Muhammad) when I’m dressed in women’s clothing except when I’m dressed in Aisha’s”
    (Bukhari 2442)

    “Abu Bakr sought permission from Allah’s Messenger for entrance (in his apartment) as he had been lying on his bed dressed in Aisha’s clothes”
    (Sahih Muslim 2402)

    I can’t stop mocking you! (apologies to Ray Charles)

    http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2012/10/was-muhammad-gay.html

  7. says

    Muhammad and his “companions” used to dress up in women’s clothes to rob caravans and hide their beards with veils.
    They even caught their law enforcement pursuers from Mecca off guard using this trick.

    To this day many Muslim men kiss each other on the check and hold hands while wearing long dresses. When they pray they bend over in such a curious way.
    But many have beards sure they are not openly … “that way”

    There are no women allowed to witness what really goes on when they “pray”
    Very Curious???
    Wouldn’t you say?

  8. says

    Dont think that the US is any more enlightened.

    Didn’t the President and Secretary Clinton also make very strong statements against those who mock the great Prophet Mohammed?

    The President even said that those who mock Islam are violating the constitutional rights of Muslims to exercise their religion. On this basis, the FBI can very well go after those who mock Islam

  9. says

    The president’s plan of appeasing Islamists is called:
    Obama – “CAIR”

    The President and Secretary Clinton called the film “Innocence of Muslims” disgusting because it made fun of Muhammad.

    A young girl was beaten by her father and then drenched in acid by her mother then left to suffer without medical treatment for two days until she died in Pakistan in order to please the prophet Muhammad. This is the un-sanitized version of Islam.

    Muhammad is the most vile disgusting person ever to taint the earth.
    If The President and Secretary Clinton want to find something truly disgusting to criticize Muhammad is such an easy choice.
    Instead they pander and play the political game.

    Muhammad is such pure filth it isn’t even funny.

    Humor is a way to cut through all the pretentious crap of Islam.

  10. says

    “The communication and multimedia ministry will not compromise with those who insult or mock religion on social websites”

    Does this mean they will also condemn Muslims who insult and mocks Jews and Christians? I didn’t think so…

  11. says


    …The Shias believed that one should eat with the left hand and poop with the right while
    the Sunnis believed that one should eat with the right hand and poop with the left…..

    They poop with their HANDS ?

    Gosh, and here’s me ‘been using my anus all of this time. No WONDER I never got anywhere in life ! Damn !

  12. says

    Modern moderate Malaysia update: No compromise on individuals mocking religion

    And by ‘mocking religion’, no doubt the Malaysian government is referring to one religion in particular…
    …………………………………….

    Yup”that would be the “religion of peace”. Christians and Hindus are not calling for such laws, despite the fact that Muslims regularly mock their faiths.

    More:

    “No compromise on individuals mocking religion: Ahmad Shabery”, from the New Straits Times, July 20:

    KUALA BESUT: The communication and multimedia ministry will not compromise with those who insult or mock religion on social websites.

    …………………………………….

    The Media Minister is here mostly concerned with censoring media…

    More:

    The minister, Datuk Seri Ahmad Shabery Cheek, said stern action would be taken against perpetrators, if it was proven that social websites were used to touch on religious sensitivities, resulting in anger and unrest among believers.
    …………………………………….

    Which “believers” would those be? Muslims, of course…

    And note that “anger and unrest” among believers is not the fault of said believers, but of anyone who would dare to criticize their loathsome creed…

    More:

    According to him, the arrest of controversial couple Alvin Tan and Vivian Lee was a reminder that matters touching on religions could not be brought to ridicule.

    “This is a warning to all parties not to mock matters pertaining to religion. It is not only non-Muslims who cannot touch on the feelings of Muslims but Muslims should also be careful not to touch on the feelings of others,” he said.
    …………………………………….

    Ah…right. In 2010 there was a proposal to build a Hindu temple in Selangor. Pious Muslims beheaded a cow”cows are sacred under Hinduism”and leaders “swore there would be blood” if the temple were ever built. I’m sure the good minister will be right on this case…sarc/off

    More:

    Tan, 25, and Lee, 24, have been charged by the Sessions Court on three counts of provoking Muslims during Ramadan and displaying pornographic pictures on the website.
    …………………………………….

    Isn’t threatening violence against Hindus and Christians and other minorities a bit more serious than this? Wait”not in Dar-al-Islam, it’s not…

  13. says

    This gives you an idea of the extent of censorship of social media in Malaysia, much of it based on the criticism of Islam:

    “Offences involving misuse of social media under control: Ahmad Shabery”

    http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/offences-involving-misuse-of-social-media-under-control-ahmad-shabery

    From that article:

    “Under this Act, until last year, more than 6,000 websites that violated the law including insulting religion and the monarchy had been barred…”

  14. says

    The American people have let themselves down by electing a president who doesn’t understand the value and the reason for the free speech clause in the constitution.

    They elected a lawyer who doesn’t understand law and has no concept of history.

    The consitution is the way it is because other ways of constructing a nation DON’T WORK.

    President Obama has no idea why Americans don’t want to be like Indonesia or Saudi Arabia.

  15. says

    Like I said before, the more unpleasant majority-Muslim Malaysia makes it for the non-Muslim residents of the country, the more likely it is that those non-Muslim residents – who do most of the productive work – will simply…up and leave.

    Australian universities are full of kids from ethnic-Chinese Malaysian Christians, Buddhists, Taoists/ Confucians and nonreligious families, who are in Australia because they are discriminated against in Malaysia and prevented from entering University there.

    Many of those young people will, if they can, either stay in Australia, or go to some other free non-Muslim country where their skills will be appreciated and where they will not be discriminated against because of their faith – or their nonreligion.

    I personally know of three different couples in which the wife is Malaysian-Chinese *non-Muslim* and the husband an Aussie – in two cases, Anglo-Celt Aussie, and in the other case, Italo-Australian.

    I know of another couple in which the husband is a Malaysian-Chinese Christian (from a Christian family in Sabah) and the wife ethnic Chinese, Singaporean, Christian. The husband courted his wife while they were both students in Australia; he then, after going back to SE Asia, moved heaven and earth to obtain a good job in Singapore, which enabled him to gain residency there, and marry his lady; they now live in Singapore and are working hard, attending a nice evangelical church, and raising two children. You will note that the young man did not for one second think of asking his fiancee to move to Malaysia…it *had* to be him making the move, from Muslim-dominated Malaysia, to secular majority-Infidel Singapore. Malaysia’s loss – an intelligent well-educated young man of personal integrity, energy and drive – was Singapore’s gain.

    Eventually, once all the smart Infidels up sticks and leave – Australia will be getting a lot more of these fugitives from de facto dhimmitude, I suspect, over the next few years, and there are other places to which they are fleeing, as well – Malaysia will be just one more monotonously-Muslim hellhole indistinguishable from all the rest.

  16. says

    I await the first prosecution and conviction under Datuk Seri Ahmad Shabery Cheek where the object of mockery is Judaism, Christianity, or any religion other than Islam.

  17. says

    “It is not only non-Muslims who cannot touch on the feelings of Muslims…”

    Touchy? Feely?

    How ’bout this?

    Mohammed is a filthy pig. Mohammed is a scum-sucking dog. Mohammed is a Transvestite Pimp.
    Mohammed is lower than a snake in the grass.

    Do I need to keep going before we get all, “touchy feely”?

  18. says

    “No compromise”
    Well ok!
    No compromise with Islam!
    Ban it!
    Totally!
    No Mosques.
    No Imams.
    No Korans.
    No Islam.
    Sorted!
    My thanks to moderate Malaysia for their “true guidance”.

  19. says

    Dumbledore’s Army wrote:

    Like I said before, the more unpleasant majority-Muslim Malaysia makes it for the non-Muslim residents of the country, the more likely it is that those non-Muslim residents – who do most of the productive work – will simply…up and leave…
    ………………………………….

    This is happening all over the Muslim world, DDA, as semi-civilized stretches of Dar-al-Islam’semi-civilized *only* because they have a large Infidel population and/or vestiges of Infidel (usually colonial) law”like Malaysia and Indonesia are driving away more and more of their oppressed Infidel populations.

    This is also happening in places like Egypt, Syria, and Sudan.

    This would, in fact, result in a simple net benefit for Dar-al-Harb, but for one thing.

    Islamic influence is *also* expanding. It is doing so in two ways.

    Dar-al-Islam itself is spreading like a cancer in many parts of the world’southern Philippines, southern Thailand, eastern Europe, and, especially, sub-Saharan Africa. It has long infested Nigeria, and now threatens to swallow the whole country.

    And Muslims”like these non-Muslim Malaysian Chinese”are *also* leaving Dar-al-Islam in large numbers for non-Muslim countries, especially the West, and bringing Islam with them. These are either Muslims who fail to realize that it is Islam itself that made their native countries such hell-holes, or else it is Muslims deliberately making Hijira in order to “Islamo-form” parts of the civilized world.

    We see this most strongly in Europe, but no Western nation is free from it, including the United States and Australia.

    And”horribly”that also means that threatened Infidels such as the Copts are experiencing bullying and violence from Muslims even in the civilized world from Muslim immigrants there.

    If only civilized nations would limit the influx of Muslims, we could ensure that we won’t be facing just what these Infidels are facing in Malaysia, a few years down the road *in our own nations*.

    Of course, I realize you are well aware of all of this”if only we could say the same of our political leaders…