Obama at White House Ramadan meal: “Muslim Americans and their good works have helped to build our nation, and we’ve seen the results”

Have you ever heard Obama talk about Jewish or Christian or Hindu Americans helping build this nation? And how exactly have Muslims built this nation? Somehow I cannot recall their contributions to the Constitutional Convention, or the settling of the West, or the Civil War period, or any other aspect of American history, for that matter. “Obama celebrates Ramadan: ‘Islam has contributed to the character’ of US,” by Kyle Balluck at The Hill, July 25:

President Obama late Thursday celebrated Ramadan with a traditional dinner in the State Dining Room, saying that throughout the nation’s history, “Islam has contributed to the character of our country.”

In remarks before the Iftar dinner, eaten by Muslims after sunset to end the day of fasting, Obama quoted from the Koran, according to a White House pool report. “As the Koran teaches, whoever does an atom’s weight of good will see its results.”

“Muslim Americans and their good works have helped to build our nation, and we’ve seen the results,” he added.

Obama, who has hosted five Iftar dinners, focused on entrepreneurship during much of his speech.

“Every day, Muslim Americans are helping to shape the way that we think and the way that we work and the way that we do business,” he said. “And that’s the spirit that we celebrate tonight — the dreamers, the creators whose ideas are pioneering new industries, creating new jobs and unleashing new opportunities for all of us.”…

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  1. says

    Does he really know what he is talking about or is he just reading from a script???

    … Honey bees have done more for America than …

  2. says

    Yes, the “good works” or that have been carried out by “good” Muslims in the United States, according to Islamic doctrines, include terror, mayhem, threats and intimidation, domestic violence against women, rape, child molestation, predatory Jihad (in all its forms), slander, obfuscation, misinformation, lies, lawsuits, and murder to advance “the will of Allah.”

    Am I forgetting anything?

  3. says

    Muslim Americans have helped in many ways, particularly in the field of security, where law enforcement’s experiences in finding and disrupting terrorist plots have led to major advances in security technology. And where there has been a failure, such as the Boston Marathon bombing, one can rest assured that ingenious safeguards will be implemented.

  4. says

    “Every day, Muslim Americans are helping to shape the way that we think”

    Don’t you think he’s right about this one?

  5. says

    I would guess Obama was talking about Himself being elected President of this United States of America and the fact that, He is a Muslim.

  6. says

    Oh bummer !!
    Here is our President leading the way unloading a mother lode of bull cra… in the front of a group of Muslims whose aim is never far from promoting Islam and Mo. Oh-bummer should be tasked to prove his opinion/his statements, I bet my wager that he could not in his entire life, that is he cannot prove any one of his BC statement – “”Every day, Muslim Americans are helping to shape the way that we think and the way that we work and the way that we do business,” he said. “And that’s the spirit that we celebrate tonight — the dreamers, the creators whose ideas are pioneering new industries, creating new jobs and unleashing new opportunities for all of us.”…” – I can easily demonstrate the contribution of the Muslims with ample of evidence is opposite to his opinion.

  7. says

    It would be sinful for Muslims to help build America because America’s values are the opposite of our own. Our values are opposite to values such as freedom and equality between all people, we believe that freedom leads to anarchy and chaos because if everyone is equal no one ever knows who to submit to and so everyone thinks he is entitled to do anything he wants. Just one example, women abandoning their husbands for money and dressing like whores to gain attention of wealthy men instead of men of virtue, gays having sex in the open street with their parades.

    The Roman Empire in its last stages was also like this, I expect we see people marrying their horses and their own children in the West very soon like it happened back then. Thankfully Islam emerged just in time to bring back order to parts of the Roman Empire like North Africa and Syria. Remember, last time your civilization failed, we took half of it. If you fall again into immorality, your punishment from Allah will no doubt be that we Muslims will take over countries like Britain and France and hopefully the US which is the root of the decay.

    In the Muslim world, we believe in hierarchy: everyone lower in the hierarchy must submit to anyone higher:
    1. Allah is at the top, all must submit to him. He alone is the one who does not submit to anyone else.
    2. The Caliph, he must submit to Allah alone.
    3. Kings, emirs and clerics;
    4. Muslim men;
    5. Muslim women;
    6. Christian or Jewish men;
    7. Christian or Jewish women;
    and so on.

    You see, in the Muslim society or Ummah everyone knows his place. It is like in your armies as they used to be back when you were more moral. This is why we Muslims are so successful at conquering foes that are more powerful than us at 1st sight.

  8. says

    OTOH – these kind of dinner invites are to bag as many as possible votes. Hence, he was doing nothing more than his true to form presidential service promoting Islam to Muslims. I bet he could not say that on Thanksgiving in the front of a large number of true Americans.

  9. says

    And I forgot to add, that it is easy for those at the lower end of the hierarchy of submission to rise; all they have to do is say the Shahada and become a Muslim.

    You Westerners might feel as af freedom and equality are good and don’t want to submit to anyone (not even the Almighty Allah). But know this, that there are rewards to submitting to Allah, in that others must submit to you. Most of you never know what it is like for a woman to truly submit to her husband because all your women act in a self-entitled manner. They have been poisoned by values like freedom.

  10. says

    It is clear “AllahIsGreat” is merely trying to get a rise from others.

    He/she deserves no recognition or response.

  11. says

    Muslim Americans and their good works have helped to build our nation…

    May we have a list of these nation building Moslems? Who were these Moslems, and what did they do?

    … and we’ve seen the results…

    It took years, thousands of Infidels and billions of dollars to build the World Trade Center. It took hours, two dozen Moslems and a couple million dollars to destroy it.

    Those are the results, Moslem-style.

  12. says

    One snag here: Only a tiny minority of the approximately 3 million Muslim-Americans have been connected to anything problematic. Of the remaining vast majority, one has to dig further to find suspicious indications from which one could make inferences, but which, absent hard evidence, would make the accuser seem prejudiced — especially given that Muslims are, by the dominant PC MC culture around us, perceived to be an “ethnic” minority (according to PC MC, “ethnic” peoples are to be accorded extra special respect, and the bar is set higher for imagined thought crimes of bigotry against them supposedly perpetrated by the non-“ethnic” majority).

    Until the Counter-Jihad movement (such as it is) articulates explicitly a cogent position on the crucial matter of the “Silent Majority” of Muslims who are ostensibly harmless, whose supposedly benign existence is augmented by adduceable Muslim-Americans who seem to be engaged in productive careers (in academe, medicine, science, technology, law, politics, and arts & entertainment such as, e.g., Pakistani-American Muslim actor Faran Tahir (an actor with a sexy bald Ben Kingsley persona, who played a Star Fleet captain in the Star Trek movie, starred in one of the “Iron Man” movies, and plays President in the upcoming movie “Elysium”) — a position, that is, that cogently argues for a rational prejudice against these ostensibly harmless Muslims on the basis of the deadly seditionist ideology they enable, if not positively support and participate in, we critics of Islam will always be on the defensive against the TMOE Meme which as long as it holds sway forever reduces and deflects the problem of Islam.

  13. says

    This is no bullshit. American Muslims have indeed achieved a lot. One of their own is in the White House! American Jews cannot match that.

  14. says

    Let’s clarify something important here: the President is very sincere in his remarks. Given his background, it is understandable that he deeply resents the cultural and political dominance of (White) Christians and Jews in America. His goal is to change that.

  15. says

    Don’t forget that Islam, or Mohammedanism as it was called at the time, was instrumental in forming our early navy. If not for the Barbary pirates, we might have not have a navy when we needed it for the War of 1812.

  16. says

    Just look at all the jobs Moslems have “created” — thousands of secrurity jobs at airports, government buildings, museums and other tourist attractions, etc.

  17. says

    This is in response to Mr. or Ms. AllahIsGreat. I truly despise your philosophy of life. Instead of opening your eyes to the light around you and seeing the spark of God burning within each and every human being you choose to keep your eyes closed and to curse the darkness. Your contempt for others oozes forth in your remarks and I find myself completely disgusted upon reading them. Even the smallest and meekest among us was not intended to live upon this world in misery and suffering as the slave of another and especially not for the pleasure of some spiteful god who enjoys violence and torture. It is the highest and noblest thought ever put forth that all human beings are created equal……that one person’s life is worth as much as any other person’s life and that the value of one may be equal to that of all. I stand proudly in the belief that all human beings are created equal and not as slaves but rather as brothers and sisters deserving of equal treatment under the laws of both man and God. Along with Thomas Jefferson I do swear upon the altar of God eternal hostility to all forms of tyranny over the mind of man….and that includes all types of slavery whether physical or spiritual. I will not submit to your god or to your way of thinking. I invite you to open your eyes and to see the light that burns most brightly when it is lit out of a respect for yourself and for others.

  18. says

    wow…
    Maybe he means by destroying the World Trade Center, the Mulism jihadists helped create many jobs on the cleanup and reconstruction of the WTC site

  19. says

    obama is such a liar …

    Now he’s attempting to rewrite history:

    “Muslim Americans and their good works have helped to build our nation, and we’ve seen the results”

    Malarkey!

  20. says

    I would sooner die than convert to Islam. Why would I follow a demonic ‘religion’ that would lead to eternal damnation? I worship JESUS, not Satan

  21. says

    No, “Muslim Americans” have NOT helped “build our nation”; but we have indeed seen the results – and are still doing so…

  22. says

    “Islam has contributed to the character of our country.”

    What a revolting comment, obama!! …islam is evil and so are you for stating such a thing.

  23. says

    And as for women “submitting” to their husbands…

    God never intended that it be a one-way street.
    He intended for a man to be the head of the household, yes; but that a man love and cherish his wife (note, I said WIFE, not wives) as he would his own self – to sacrifice for them even unto death. Only then, when BOTH one man and one woman approach marriage SELFLESSLY, not selfishly, can marriage work the way God intended.

    Unfortunately, that is not the way of the world in this day and age, so too many men – and women – seek to break the covenant that God intended them to have between themselves AND HIM, seeking after their own selfish needs, whether there are children involved or not.

    That was never what He intended for us; and those who follow that misbegotten road truly miss out on the great joy and love – real love, not the current prostitution of the word that is the current fashion – that could have been theirs.

  24. says

    Greatness comes from abiding by what is known as “The Golden Rule.” Many know the origin of the saying:”Do unto others…(do to/for others)…what you would have them…(what you wish them)…do unto you…(to do to/for you).” Treat others as you wish to be treated. Not as the poster who tries to get the rest of us to believe that his “allah” is good, and admonishes us to do to others before the others can do to us by worshiping at the table of demons.
    Psychopaths, which most sadistic rapists and serial killers are (if not absolutely all of these two groups), crave power over others. The pedo craves power over others, but due to his lacking any real power, exerts power over the weakest. Other psychopaths who walk among us, attempt to manipulate and use others for their own selfishness. Without calling any individual a psychopath, one can learn their modes and protect against them.

    One can also look at the “results” and discern just what kind of “rules” islam has at its core. It certainly isn’t The Golden Rule given by Jesus.

  25. says

    A British muslim said this,while lamenting the lack of gratitude by the Brits.

    ‘Muslims were part and parcel of the stunningly successful London 2012 Olympic and Parlyampic games. From torch bearers to games-makers, small business entrepreneurs to performers, and traffic wardens to sports legends, they gave their best to make Britain great in last year’s historic moment.

    His argument was that muslims were attacked even after expressing anguish at the Rigby murder.[AL JAZEERA]

    Even without those muslims, London Olympics would’ve succeeded.

    Muslim contribution to anything good is nil or negative.

  26. says

    AllahIsGreat is putting us on, people. No “true believer” says the things he says to infidels. “Accept our religion so you’ll have people below you who’ll submit to you”? Come on.

    True Muslims don’t air their dirty laundry like that, they spend their time talking about “no compulsion in religion” and “Islam respects women”, and “Muhammad didn’t murder ALL his critics!”

    His English is far too good for him to not realize he should be playing the taqiyya game instead of speaking from the heart, like he might do back in “the good old country”.

    Besides, “Allah is great” isn’t saying very much. He should be calling himself “Allah is Greatest… bitch”!

    “My God can beat up your god, neener neener neener.”

  27. says

    President Obama either believes what he says in his own little world, or he’s a chronic liar living within it. The fact that 80% of mosques in America teach violent jihad and Islamic supremacy obviously doesn’t seem to bother this Commander-in-Chief, nor the fact that the overwhelming majority of terrorist acts in the United States are being perpetrated by Muslims. He also seems to disregard the stone-cold reality that hundreds of thousands of Muslim Americans would like to see the death penalty imposed upon anyone daring to hurt their feelings by speaking the truth about “insulting” the “prophet” of Islam. But that shouldn’t be surprising because, evidently, he agrees that the real problem is with free speech, not with the Religion of [Non-Existent] Peace itself. So let’s go ahead and employ members of the Muslim Brotherhood — an Islamist organization actively seeking to destroy America from within, not build it — at the White House. Let’s embrace Brotherhood front groups like CAIR (Counsel on American-Islamic Relations) who are actively telling the Muslim community how to evade law enforcement questioning in their efforts to thwart terrorism instead of helping them to identify and expose potential threats. After all, if the Obama Administration is to be believed, the real threats in America are from Christians and “Islamophobes.” Is it any wonder that the Land of the Free, under the “leadership” of Barack Hussein Obama, now more closely resembles a police state that terrorizes its own citizens in the name of protecting them from terror rather than one that recognizes the true roots of terrorism and is doing everything it can to protect them from the real enemy? We’ve “seen the results” alright, Mr. President, and they’re fast becoming a problem that you yourself are a major part of

  28. says

    More Sweet Nothings from the Enabler in Chief.

    “”Every day, Muslim Americans are helping to shape the way that we think and the way that we work and the way that we do business,”And that’s the spirit that we celebrate tonight — the dreamers, the creators whose ideas are pioneering new industries, creating new jobs and unleashing new opportunities for all of us””

    Thank you Muslims for creating the Big Brother surveillance in my country that only George Orwell dreamed of!

    Thank you Muslims for creating so many jobs at Homeland Security! We so need to pat down grandma in her depends. Don’t forget to check the prosthesis of American war vets!You never know where those pesky Jihadists might hide those bombs.

    Thank you Muslims for continually attacking my First Amendment rights!

    Now not only am I acutely aware of what I say, do draw, and express, I make sure I exercise my rights to the annoyance of all Muslims.

    Gosh yes Muslims have helped shape the way I think, work and do business. Now I carefully look at (profile) who is around me, yeah you bet! Too bad Islam isn’t a race, then those peaceful would be easy to spot.

    I do think on a serious note Islam should be categorized as a political ideology, not a religion.

  29. says

    Yep we’ve seen their “good works”, all over the world in fact. “Good” is a relativity.
    Hwhat is “Good” to an Islamist, is almost always not what is meant as “good” by anyone else’s definition.
    Obama knows this very well, and is playing the west for fools indeed insulting his own people with this double definition speak, while he sucks up to and advances the ambitions of Islam.

  30. says

    How come no US journalist will ask him these questions?
    1. Exactly which muslim contributions is he talking about?
    2. When will he mention the contributions made by people of other faiths?
    3. Why does he need to divide people based on their faiths while mentioning people’s contributions?
    4. Where is his secularism? Why not judge people individually?
    5. Does the white house hold Diwali parties? Christmas parties? Any Jewish celebrations?
    (The answer to this question some JWers would also know, I guess)

  31. says

    “Muslim Americans and their good works have helped to build our nation, and we’ve seen the results,” he added.
    The results? 9/11. Fort Hood. Murders of Jews and Christians. Assaults on the military. Prostitution gangs that “groom” infidel girls and woman. Suborning local planning boards to allow the construction of more mosques. Ruining neighborhoods by swamping streets and private property with masses of mosque-going Muslims. Instigating lawsuits against anyone who “defames” Islam. The dhimmification of the FBI and the military. Using Muslim “charities” to fund terrorism abroad and here. Oh, yes, these are all “good works” in the campaign to conquer the U.S. And Obama approves but doesn’t mention them.
    “As the Koran teaches, whoever does an atom’s weight of good will see its results.” That’s a laugh. Mohammad discovered the atom? Right.

  32. says

    #‎islamic‬ ‪#‎infiltrator‬ ‪#‎obama‬ i hope we broomstick his ass along with ‪#‎hillariy‬’s like our ‪#‎ambassador‬ had done to him in ‪#‎benghazi‬…screw islam mohammed islamic infiltrator obama and the united nations

  33. says

    I am so sick of this imposter for a president. He is a clown who has pulled the wool over the eyes of the people. Nobody will get it until the flag over the White House has been removed and the sword is at their throats.

    IF ONLY WE COULD………………………………….. Feel free to fill in the blanks anyway you see fit.

  34. says

    That this utter fraud is NOT being challenged by every history department of every university and college in the US, speaks of the poor quality of these establishments, or their utter and complete lack of integrity.

    Obama is either stupid and dishonest to the point of being ncriminal, or he is outright evil. Either way, he will hopefully at some point meet the fate he so richly deserves.

  35. says

    For one thing, Muslims have given pathological liars like Obama an endless source of material, so that must be what he means about how they have benefited the country.

  36. says

    Why should we submit to Allah? Allah does not exist, he is just a figment of your false prophet Muhammad, named after the ancient Egyptian moon god, in order for Muhammad to commit his crimes. Like the time Muhammad was accused of rape by three accusers; hey presto, Muhammad has now been magically instructed by “Allah” that rape can only be proven if there are FOUR male accusers. Very convenient! Allah was just the crazy voices in Muhammad’s head.

    “Poisoned by values like freedom”. The only poison is the poison of your false religion of Islam. I hope you’re not living in a western democracy dude, that would make you a bad Muslim under your Allah’s eyes. By the way, your “final prophet” Muhammad is a mass murdering paedophile to the eyes of westerners. Hope you like that thought.

  37. says

    Ohhh, you mean…I haven’t FORCED myself on anyone–haven’t RAPED anyone? Right you are, allah-boy! For civilized folks, it only works when the desire is mutual–based on free-choice and respect. It’s about giving–not taking. And, it is in the giving that both parties so joyously receive. That makes no sense to you at all, does it? I didn’t think so!

    What you’ve written here so far goes beyond absurd into grotesque. You’re a poster-boy for the immediate cessation of muslim immigration to the West. Talk about poison! Or are you just a stand-up comedian?

  38. says

    yo dude where are you? it is just after noon here in NYC and it is way to early to smoke hashish. which muslim country are you from? which ever one it is you can see that Allah is a master in creating shitholes, such as Pakistan, Afghanistan, egypt etc….. Allah is also capable of taking a good thing and turning that to a shithole as well like the ayatollahs have been doing it in Iran for the last 35 years.As for a woman to fully submit to her husband, we do know about that here in the West. It is called S&M. It is a form sex where women would like to be dominated by her husband. But this what she chooses to do and it is fantasy, where in Islam women are forced to submission, you know like in a biggest shithole in the middle of desert, saudi arabia that is women are not allowed to go out with a male escort. m

  39. says

    You have got to be kidding.

    Troll much?

    Out of Cheetos?
    ______________

    My advice is that you get a job, leave momma’s basement and stop bothering us here.

  40. says

    Never, EVER, would I agree to worship the demon, “allah”. So you can take your “shahada” and stick it where the sun doesn’t shine. The fact that so many in the West have elected, like sheep, to go astray, is THEIR problem; and I pray for them, that they might repent before it is too late.

    I pray also for muslims, who might leave the evil of islam (RTC), leave the hatred, arrogance, misogyny and the love of death; and hear the words of Jesus Christ. I guarantee if they sought Him, the black cloud of negative emotions would be lifted from them; and they would see that life is a gift, given in love by our Creator God, to be enjoyed here on earth as long as we abide by His laws, for He knows best what is good for His creation. We don’t. We’re NOT qualified.

    As HE has said to us before: “Two ways are set before you, Oh man: the way of life and the way of death. Therefore choose life.”

    God loves life. He is the author and architect of it. Who loves death? Satan and his ilk, the demonic. Why? Because Satan/Lucifer, who wanted to BE God, HATES God. But his “arms” are too short to box with God, so he (and his ilk) get at God through His children – humanity. If you only realized who the REAL enemy is, you would not be so quick to do his bidding.

    You might want to think long and hard on that before continuing on the road to utter darkness.

  41. says

    “And I forgot to add, that it is easy for those at the lower end of the hierarchy of submission to rise; all they have to do is say the Shahada and become a Muslim.”

    All I can say is thank the Great Mother and Great Father that your Allah isn’t in charge, and THAT will never happen.

    “You Westerners might feel as if freedom and equality are good and don’t want to submit to anyone”

    Huh? I am a daughter of the American Revolution. What Americans unite and “submit” to is the Constitution. Something inspired by the Christian deity Yahweh. A document that ensures the equality of all HUMANS, male and female.

    “(not even the Almighty Allah).”

    For the record, Allah is a Pagan deity of Arabia and he has a wife, the Sun Goddess, and they have three daughters.
    The “Allah” of Mohamed is his invention and a reflection of Mohamed’s personality.

    ” But know this, that there are rewards to submitting to Allah, in that others must submit to you.”

    Not interested in others submitting to me unless on the job. Just want mutual respect and honor.

    ” Most of you never know what it is like for a woman to truly submit to her husband because all your women act in a self-entitled manner. They have been poisoned by values like freedom.”

    By recognizing that women are intelligent self determining human beings, all of society is enhanced.

    I am safe and free to walk my neighborhood. I am treated with respect, not attacked or raped as what so often happens to women of the Ummah.

    How sad it is for boys and men of the Ummah to have so little impulse control. It is like the Muslim male is in an adolescent state in perpetuity. There is little effort to change that social norm, all to the detriment of Islamic society.

    Freedom is a concept that the West believes is a state granted by the Creator to ALL humans.

    What each of us chose to do with that freedom defines US as a culture and society.

    Hope that helps.

  42. says

    Shahada the word for cheapers like you, we need much more to be conviced….think of your folk, no education, just few bucks and trying to change the world to chaos….to control and dominate…..
    It is too late boyoo, just look around and see how the muslims want to be part of MY society. Not to suffer but create something nice, not doctrines!

  43. says

    Thanks for your concern for our souls. But a lot of us do take a humble and submissive attitude towards Almighty God.

    However, the Qur’an tells me that my Trinity is God, Jesus, and Mary when throughout my walk as a Christian I’ve been told it’s the Father, Son (Word), and Holy Spirit–and the witness of all Scripture and church history testifies against the Qur’an’s account. The Qur’an also tells me that my Jewish neighbor sees Uzair (Ezra) as “Son of God” as I see Jesus, when after a lifetime of living cheek-by-jowl with Jews, reading their books, and arguing theology with them, I have heard or read nothing of the sort from their own lips or writings. When the New Testament, Pagan Romans, and the Jewish Talmud Bavli all testify that Jesus was crucified and died, the Qur’an tells me he wasn’t. When the Old and New Testaments tell me of God’s grace, culminating in the atoning sacrifice Christ made for our sins on the cross, and his victorious resurrection from the dead (while Muhammad remains dead and buried in the sands of Medina), Islam offers me a miserable attempt to buy favor with God on my own steam.
    When The Old and New Testament tell me marriage is between one man and one woman, Islam’s “best of men” has four wives at a time and conveniently gets a so-called “revelation” that pretty Zaynab should be given up by his own adoptive son to marry him! How convenient for an overly-sexed, pretentious, and greedy man!

    No, your Islam is no humble submission to our Creator, but the rebellion and blasphemy of man.

  44. says

    Honestly, Wellington, I didn’t see your comment before posting mine. That’s pretty funny–maybe we’re the comedians?

    Regards!

    G

  45. says

    My best regards to you, George.

    Well, “AllahIsGreat” is either a bad comedian or a good Muslim. I hope it’s the former since comedian suicide bombers are kinda’ scarce.

  46. says

    Often times here on JW, I have been criticized by my fellow JW readers/bloggers about me stating that Muslims are not the problem, it is Islam that is the problem and I will stand by this. But I must admit to one thing, which I often think it is racist but I can not help it. I travel a lot on business specially to Europe. As soon as I see a muslim in the airport and I can spot them from a million mile away specially the ones with beards and specially the ones with beard who trim their mustache above the lips I can not help but to resent them how they have made my life miserable going to security check and being asked questions when I am boarding a plane back to state. I just hate it that they made my life miserable. Thank god I am in the global entry program. M

  47. says

    Are you trolling?

    Islam is pure barbarism, and it has no place in civilized society.

    In a nutshell, Islam calls for Muslims to worship a child rapist, to celebrates fascism, to consider women to be sub human and to put no value on human life.

  48. says

    I think your political philosophy’s results speak for themselves.

    Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, Indonesia, Sudan,Afghanistan etc are shining examples of Allah’s supremacy, and the resulting society’s there.

    What strikes me most is the fact that nowhere from within the Ummah, since Islam was birthed from Mohamed’s mind, has any innovation,discoveries, or inventions emerged.

    Consider the Natural World as an example.Nature is wild, explosive, complex,free and unrestricted.

    I suppose when your political philosophy has one grounded so firmly in a Seventh Century Arabian tribal mentality, that all else is paralyzed as well.

    Without the innovations and inventions of the Free West the Ummah would still be chasing goats from oasis to oasis on camel back.Perhaps communicating with smoke signals and drinking camel urine as a cure all.

    Good luck with your ordered society.

  49. says

    The sadly demented fool posting under the false name (and concept) of allah being great, probably has a malfunctioning keyboard he should have signed on as:

    allahisapigfacedchildrapistmurderthiefliarhatemongeringcowardafraidofwomen

    Perhaps he can cut and paste the correct version I so generously supplied, in any future posts.

  50. says

    LL wrote:

    “… a position, that is, that cogently argues for a rational prejudice against these ostensibly harmless Muslims on the basis of the deadly seditionist ideology they enable, if not positively support and participate in,…”
    _________________________________________

    I really don’t see any other position than that that we have discussed here on many occasions previously – that is, that there just is no, safe alternative other than to suspect every Muslim of possible violence and sedition.

    There is simply no other way, and damn the torpedoes if we happen to break a few actors’ eggs while making the Anti-Jihadist omelette.

  51. says

    Too right.

    Muhammad started out absolutely powerless. A poor illiterate shepherd, married to a much older rich and powerful woman, who employed him and many other men. And then when she dies he gets “revelations” that “men are to be the maintainers of women”, and that he gets unlimited wives, and his wives must hide behind “curtains” when men approach, and his wives can (for some theologically inexplicable reason) not be allowed to marry after his passing. A man who mandates that 1/6th of the booty from conquest goes to him?

    And contrast this with Jesus. A man who could perform miracles, and who lived – and died – as he did, preaching the Golden Rule?

    How do Muslims look at these two prophets and choose to emulate Muhammad? I’ll never understand it.

  52. says

    I tend to agree. I suspected from the get-go that “AllahIsGreat” is into comedy, however badly, rather than into Islam, though at least one commenter thinks I need to fine tune my sarcasm. Got work to do I guess.

    Of course, I can’t completely eliminate the possibility that the goofball could be BOTH a comic and a Muslim. After all, taking a delight in another’s consternation or misery is very Islamic. Mohammed did. You don’t order the death of a very old man or a nursing mother or build a fire on a man’s chest or have some 600 heads loped off in one day and have pangs of conscience that you had to do it, certainly not while shortly therafter you have sex with the wife of one of the beheaded men. No, I’m convinced that Mohammed, who had the traits of a psychopath, enjoyed all this. Hence the pleasure of so many Muslims delighting in the suffering of Jews, Christians, agnostics, atheists, etc., in this world or the next.

  53. says

    Cornholio wrote:

    AllahIsGreat is putting us on, people. No “true believer” says the things he says to infidels. “Accept our religion so you’ll have people below you who’ll submit to you”? Come on.

    True Muslims don’t air their dirty laundry like that,…
    …………………….

    Agreed, Cornholio. They don’t as a rule, say things like “our values are opposite to values such as freedom and equality between all people”, either”they’re rarely so honest.

    “AllahIsGreat” is a troll, all right”just not of the genuinely Mohammedan variety. Best to ignore him”maybe he’ll go away.

  54. says

    “I really don’t see any other position than that that we have discussed here on many occasions previously – that is, that there just is no, safe alternative other than to suspect every Muslim of possible violence and sedition.”

    We seem to be a minority in the Counter-Jihad — as far as I can tell, even a small minority. No wonder the West is clueless, if even the canaries in the coalmine are doddering.

  55. says

    Hey hey now! Not so fast! I’ve been told that the reason Muhammad married Safiya was that she was a widow, and such was the Profit’s character that he HATED to see poor little old widows go lonely. Can’t you just picture her there, off in the corner in her rocking chair, gray-haired and sewing doilies? That Muhammad was a stand-up guy!

    (I’m not sure how she became a widow. Something about her husband’s head falling off after falling asleep while smoking or something. Anyway, not important).

  56. says

    “No wonder the West is clueless, if even the canaries in the coalmine are doddering.”

    I have a subjective, gut feeling that the winds are changing, however. Can’t offer any empirical data, but I’m feeling confident that that canary won’t be keeling over from “hidden gas” any time soon.

    Best Regards,

    PJ

  57. says

    For over ten years now, I’ve felt simultaneously two contradictory feelings — a) that slowly more and more Western people are getting it; and b) that this trickle-up progress is unacceptably, excrutiatingly, infuriatingly slow.

    It’s kind of the nature of a process of change that, by definition, something’s supposed to be actually changing; not just glacially seeming to change. So it’s kind of built-in for disappointment, if not frank pessimism.

    However, the instant I see a Million-Man March on Washington against Islam (not against “extremism” or “terrorism” and must be utterly devoid of any TMOE rhetoric such as “We want to assure the press that we are not against Muslims” blah blah blah), I’ll change my tune.

  58. says

    “For over ten years now, I’ve felt simultaneously two contradictory feelings — a) that slowly more and more Western people are getting it; and b) that this trickle-up progress is unacceptably, excrutiatingly, infuriatingly slow.”

    Well, I have to say I’ve been of the same mind, myself. And there probably isn’t any cure for us, friend.

    But we’ve got our kids to think about, so excrutiatingly slow will just have to do, for now.

    We both know what the “alternative” is – and that’s another mass episode on the order of 9-11, or worse.

    If the world can’t get it then, then I suppose we’re just doomed…

  59. says

    Philip

    ever read Malcolm Gladwell’s ‘Tipping Point: How Little Things Can Make a Big Difference’??

    It contains some interesting ideas. Chapters four and five ‘the power of context’ make interesting reading in light of such things as halal meat and the Muslim female slave rag…and they expose why the French burka ban is *not* trivial, and might have far-reaching effects if it were to be resolutely enforced.

    major point: tipping points, when they are reached, happen suddenly.

    Gladwell’s earlier book, ‘Blink’ isn’t bad, either: it contains some stuff that bears directly on the problem of taqiyya and of how to ‘read’ people who are trying to deceive.

    I recommend chapter four of ‘blink’ – ‘Paul Van Riper’s big victory’ – to all jihadwatchers, and chapter six ‘Seven seconds in the bronx’.

  60. says

    No, DDA, I’m embarrassed to say, “No”, I haven’t read those books, but I will.

    So good to see you back here, after your “tech” problems.

    Still in Arizona with the kids, and enjoying every minute of it.

    As for “tipping points”, my heart did one last night, when an absolutely brilliant little girl named Amy delivered a necklace she had made for me in crafts class…my heart melted and my mind “tipped” toward God.

  61. says

    Glad to see we have neighbors concerned about our well-being! I guess you guys north of Line 49 get a ringside seat to watch my country’s varied ups and downs. Keep well, friend. I hope you weren’t badly affected by the flooding in Alberta I heard about.

  62. says

    Edward Cline wrote:

    “Muslim Americans and their good works have helped to build our nation, and we’ve seen the results,” he added.
    The results? 9/11. Fort Hood. Murders of Jews and Christians. Assaults on the military. Prostitution gangs that “groom” infidel girls and woman…
    ………………………..

    Very true, Edward. Muslims have brought *nothing* good to America or the rest of the West.

    Although I suppose you could say we “owe” them our navy”we never would have created a navy so early”or such a large and fine one”if it hadn’t been for Mohammedans pirating and enslaving our sailors before the US Navy and Marines beat them back, and inspired the British and French to join us in opening the Mediterranean to free trade.

    Somehow I doubt that that was what Obama had in mind, though…

  63. says

    I’d like to join DDA in saying it is good to see you posting again, Ice Star.

    And standing against evil is *never* a bad habit.

    Hope you are well, and that we see your comments here more often!